Bill Cullen Email

Did ye get that email! It was sent to every student!
Cant believe the Head of the college expects us to vote for Bill Cullen :eek:
Jaysus its all who ya know in this country :mad:

Bill Cullen is the guy who thinks we are "spoiled celtic tiger cubs" and should work for nothing when we graduate all while his "business" leeches off state subsidies.

Anyone else think that email was out of line?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmJNL1BmukU

mickstupp

Not being someone who reads/listens/watches the news, since it generally makes me very angry, I neither know nor care who Bill Cullen is. So I couldn't actually say whether it was out of line or not. That said, I'm still glad to be getting more mails from the college even if they are utterly trivial. How much does it cost to press the DELETE key?

mickstupp

mickstupp wrote: »

Not being someone who reads/listens/watches the news, since it generally makes me very angry, I neither know nor care who Bill Cullen is. So I couldn't actually say whether it was out of line or not. That said, I'm still glad to be getting more mails from the college even if they are utterly trivial. How much does it cost to press the DELETE key?

Even if you dont know who he is do you think the Head of the college should be asking us to vote a certain way in anything never mind a stupid book competition!?

Totally inappropriate

Effluo

Deleted User wrote: »

Bill Cullen is the guy who thinks we are "spoiled celtic tiger cubs" and should work for nothing when we graduate all while his "business" leeches off state subsidies.

That video made me respect Bill Cullen a lot more than I used to and I really hope that you posting it here will get him more supporters rather than "haters".

He's an amazing entrepreneur and he makes a lot of sense sometimes.
We have it way better off now than we would have had back when he was our age which was his general point.


On a side note, he's apparently helped out the Uni financially with some things and stuff like that. I think he launched his book here and I guess it's only natural that when it gets nominated for a reward the college would do whatever it could to help him out in return.

mickstupp

Deleted User wrote: »

Even if you dont know who he is do you think the Head of the college should be asking us to vote a certain way in anything never mind a stupid book competition!?

Totally inappropriate

Couldn't give a damn, I'm much more concerned about my exams at the minute. Why get worked up about this irrelevant nonsense. Do we not all have enough stress at the moment? If I had the power to mail to all and sundry, I'd be sending people links to Rory Gallagher videos on YouTube, president or not. Or pointing out that you might possibly be able to watch the entire Conan the Barbarian movie there, not that I would know or do such a thing even if were totally true. To hell with inappropriateness when it's this silly.

I actually just watched that video... and I think I agree with him completely.

Rozabeez

And on top of it all... anyone who has read the book can tell you it's a load of moany boasting sh!te.

Duddy

Not even a P.S.good luck in your exams...?

Rozabeez

Tut tut.

Duddy

Love this:D

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Not-voting-for-Bill-Cullen-for-Book-of-the-Decade-because-hes-a-****/122898471069656?ref=ts

Mr. SS

Deleted User wrote: »

Bill Cullen is the guy who thinks we are "spoiled celtic tiger cubs"

Are we not just that?

So what if the President is asking us to support him, he has supported us. Its not a bloody election, its a book award, is the president not allowed to ask for our support no?

Mr. SS

Mr. SS wrote: »

Are we not just that?

So what if the President is asking us to support him, he has supported us. Its not a bloody election, its a book award, is the president not allowed to ask for our support no?

Im certainly.

He has supported us? He is only in business because of substantial state subsidies. Maybe the college and our education system would be better off not bleeding money into that guys pockets.

Have a look at the WPP1 & 2 threads and see what is in store for new graduates.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055852864&page=8
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055795040

Just what Bill Cullen wants.......people to work for businesses making them a profit but no share in that profit - no pay

stepbar

Deleted User wrote: »

Im certainly.

He has supported us? He is only in business because of substantial state subsidies.

Pardon?

Deleted User wrote:

Have a look at the WPP1 & 2 threads and see what is in store for new graduates.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055852864&page=8
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055795040

Just what Bill Cullen wants.......people to work for businesses making them a profit but no share in that profit - no pay

Where did he state that eh?

stepbar

stepbar wrote: »

Pardon?



Where did he state that eh?

lol your jokin!

He sells cars and got the scrappage scheme he gets thousands for every sale from the state.

He clearly states in the youtube link that graduates should work for free.

Mr. SS

Deleted User wrote: »

He has supported us? He is only in business because of substantial state subsidies.

how substantial?

from my knowledge, we are only in college because of massive state subsidies. one subsidy keeps people in employment, the other in education.

Deleted User wrote: »

Just what Bill Cullen wants.......people to work for businesses making them a profit but no share in that profit - no pay

you would have a point if Mr. Cullen had grown up with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he didnt. He actually had to do this himself (do as I did, in other words, not do as I say) and I believe he is sharing his experience to show students what they can achieve, even if they have nothing.

Mr. SS

Deleted User wrote: »

He clearly states in the youtube link that graduates should work for free.

Yes, in order to better themselves and get ahead of the pack... he's not condeming people to a life of slavery. Most graduates live at home and recieve the dole, they can sit at home, or they can get experience. I know what I'd be doing anyway.

As a matter of fact I have an interest in people not doing this, I missed out on a summer job in Citi Bank because they are hiring people on the dole.

stepbar

Deleted User wrote: »

lol your jokin!

He sells cars and got the scrappage scheme he gets thousands for every sale from the state.

He clearly states in the youtube link that graduates should work for free.

When did the scrappage scheme start? :rolleyes:

Let me remind you that you're in college, aka funded by the taxpayer.

He's advocating for young people to get up off their asses and get work experience so that down the line they can become employable.

Mr. SS

Mr. SS wrote: »

how substantial?

from my knowledge, we are only in college because of massive state subsidies. one subsidy keeps people in employment, the other in education.

Rubbish, education is part of what got our economy going in the 90s it gives a pay back. Bill Cullens subsidies involve us importing cars i.e more loans more money flowing out of the country and the tax payer is paying for it.
This keeps a few car salesmen in jobs at a cost of jobs in the wider economy.

Mr. SS wrote: »

you would have a point if Mr. Cullen had grown up with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he didnt. He actually had to do this himself (do as I did, in other words, not do as I say) and I believe he is sharing his experience to show students what they can achieve, even if they have nothing.

I have a point regardless of how Cullen did or didnt grow up. Its really simple....he wants graduates to work for nothing. You work someone else gets the profit. Its exploitation pure and simple

stepbar

stepbar wrote: »

When did the scrappage scheme start? :rolleyes:

Let me remind you that you're in college, aka funded by the taxpayer.

He's advocating for young people to get up off their asses and get work experience so that down the line they can become employable.

Look over 400k people are on the dole we could give them all experience but it wont create 400k jobs. Adding businesses wage bills onto the tax payer is not a good time with our massive budget deficit.

evercloserunion

you would have a point if Mr. Cullen had grown up with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he didnt. He actually had to do this himself (do as I did, in other words, not do as I say) and I believe he is sharing his experience to show students what they can achieve, even if they have nothing.

Jesus, does he ever shut up about how he didn't grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth. I'm sick of hearing it at this stage.

Anyway, he's not "sharing his experience", his tone was not one of a friendly old man giving advice. He's talking down to young people, "giving out" to them, writing off people he has never met as lazy and unwilling to work. I highly doubt many employers would even employ you if you offered to work for free, possible legal issues and the like. He didn't really offer any constructive advice at all.

stepbar

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Look over 400k people are on the dole we could give them all experience but it wont create 400k jobs. Adding businesses wage bills onto the tax payer is not a good time with our massive budget deficit.

How else do you plan to be ahead of the game when the country starts to get out of the recession?

Let me tell you something.... whilst all my friends were off swanning the world on J1's etc.. I was out working my ass off during the summer holidays so that I could add to my experience.

There are lots of companies out there struggling to keep up with the work they have because they've let go staff. You can be sure you wouldn't go idle if you offered your services nor would you be impacting on the next mans job due to your lack of experience..

evercloserunion

Let me tell you something.... whilst all my friends were off swanning the world on J1's etc.. I was out working my ass off during the summer holidays so that I could add to my experience.

For free?

baalthor

I missed this - what was Bill's book nominated for? Booker? National Book Award? Pulitzer?

funky penguin

I don't know how to look at this....

I agree that any experiece you can get is quite valuable, but it depends on what it is and if its relevant to your career aspects. On top of this, well......I have this pressing urge to eat every day that experiance cannot feed.

Of course the arguement of experience leading to better emplyability is valid, but we as a country don't take well to men in suits and a large bank account telling us to work for free. Yes the arguement that 'thats what he did' is a good point, but not everyone who tried it ended up like Bill Cullen.

Me...well I just handed out 30 CV's today, the first of many batches. I need money and cannot afford to work for free, as lovely as the concept sounds.

Mr. SS

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Rubbish, education is part of what got our economy going in the 90s it gives a pay back. Bill Cullens subsidies involve us importing cars i.e more loans more money flowing out of the country and the tax payer is paying for it.

*funny how you say education got our economy going in the 90s, the state only started funding third level in the mid ninties meaning the first batch to benefit would have graduated in 1999, long after the boom had begun, i think you'll find that you are talking rubish!*

I'll repeat the question. How substantial are these subsidies?

Rubbish? How do you make that out, are we as students subsidised by the state or not? I'll answer for you because you think the truth is rubbish. the answer is: yes, we are subsidised by the state.

Deleted User wrote: »

I have a point regardless of how Cullen did or didnt grow up. Its really simple....he wants graduates to work for nothing. You work someone else gets the profit. Its exploitation pure and simple

What is the alternative?

Mr. SS

funky penguin wrote: »

I don't know how to look at this....

I agree that any experiece you can get is quite valuable, but it depends on what it is and if its relevant to your career aspects. On top of this, well......I have this pressing urge to eat every day that experiance cannot feed.

Of course the arguement of experience leading to better emplyability is valid, but we as a country don't take well to men in suits and a large bank account telling us to work for free. Yes the arguement that 'thats what he did' is a good point, but not everyone who tried it ended up like Bill Cullen.

Me...well I just handed out 30 CV's today, the first of many batches. I need money and cannot afford to work for free, as lovely as the concept sounds.

the new aviva staduim are looking for loads of people by the way.

funky penguin

I thought the deadline for that passed?!?! :eek:

irish_goat

Bill's right about some stuff, our generation are growing up "mollycoddled", always expecting something for nothing.

I'm in two minds about the working for free thing but at the end of the day it's each individual's choice. You'll still get your dole money but if you're going to be sitting around doing nothing, at least if you work for free you'll be getting experience which will count for a hell of a lot more when the jobs start coming back. I've no doubt there are companies out there who still take advantage of you though.

Mr. SS

evercloserunion wrote: »

Jesus, does he ever shut up about how he didn't grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth. I'm sick of hearing it at this stage.

Anyway, he's not "sharing his experience", his tone was not one of a friendly old man giving advice. He's talking down to young people, "giving out" to them, writing off people he has never met as lazy and unwilling to work. I highly doubt many employers would even employ you if you offered to work for free, possible legal issues and the like. He didn't really offer any constructive advice at all.

Thats because they need to be talked down to! entitlement syndrome has gone rife in this country, we are owed absolutely nothing, we (students) have sponged off the state and our parents for the last twenty years of our lives and have offered little by way of taxes (which most students get back the following year) or contribution to society in general. we are owed nothing. and its the likes of bill cullen who are telling it like it is.

Mr. SS

funky penguin wrote: »

I thought the deadline for that passed?!?! :eek:

i was just talking to a student today who said porter jobs are still open

Rozabeez

Fás are offering work experience to people on the dole, I agree that if it's suitable they should go for it. The majority of people I know on the dole are sitting at home all day playing computer games/sleeping/getting trashed. It's a holiday for them, a 2 year long holiday. I personally like to think that if I were in that situation I'd be doing voluntary work somewhere or other, but each to their own.

It's not fair to tar all students as lazy spongers, because a lot of us aren't. I already have a job for when I graduate, it would be absolutely disheartening to walk away with my degree (I've more or less worked full time alongside college to fund all the different things college demands financially) and be told, "No sorry, no paid jobs for you, go slog it for a snobby business owner who doesn't like students".

rant over. Grr.