Draw Mohammed Day, May 20th

Flamed Diving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7ok4njJXI8

People are trying to start this annual sketching of the man himself in defence of free speech, or summat. Will you be drawing a picture?


Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day/121369914543425

Genghiz Cohen

First!

ChocolateSauce

I sure will.

cavedave

It is juvenile, puerile and annoying people who have done nothing to bother me or interfere with my business.

But yes I will

Flamed Diving

sonicthebadger*

Hell yeah! I think Xmas just came early! The most baffling thing is why didn't I think of this?!

ChocolateSauce

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8676351.stm

Now I'm really going to make a cartoon of Mo.

robindch

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

Swedish Cartoonist Attacked Giving a lecture about artistic freedom

Should have been headlined "15 men in their early twenties jump a 66-year old man in a university and break his glasses".

What remarkable bravery.

kiffer

&:-{)>
this is a dipiction of Mohammed in the form of an emoticon... His beard isn't very good though...
Sorry if the bad beard offends ... Maybe you could make a better one...

Genghiz Cohen

I think an official Boards.ie Muhammad smiley is in order.

Edit: found one

sublunar

fuq yeah! i'll try and photoshop something dacent.

sink

Excellent idea, we should probably send them to Islam4UK. I would just love to see their reaction to thousands of drawings of Muhammed as a pig in shit.

strobe

sink wrote: »

Excellent idea, we should probably send them to Islam4UK. I would just love to see their reaction to thousands of drawings of Muhammed as a pig in shit.

MPAC.ie is the Irish equivalent, so that would probably be the place to send them if you are so inclined.

I'm getting a couple of Mohammed t-shirts made up for myself in honour of the day. Will post pics.

Galvasean

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

I think an official Boards.ie Muhammad smiley is in order.

Edit: found one

Much prefer this one:

Coriolanus

Galvasean wrote: »

Much prefer this one:

Makes me wish we could have animated avis!

MikeC101

strobe wrote: »

MPAC.ie is the Irish equivalent, so that would probably be the place to send them if you are so inclined.

Be prepared for a devastating response if you do!

(An angry post on his blog, and maybe another fetching picture of Liam squeezed into his moo-moo in the Indo, having a rant about intolerance, and missing the irony.)

strobe wrote: »

I'm getting a couple of Mohammed t-shirts made up for myself in honour of the day. Will post pics.

I really like this one :pac:
Don't think they sell it anymore. I heard it bombed. *ba-doom tish* Thanks folks, I'm here all week!

MikeC101

(The genuine version of this comic is weird enough)

sublunar

condra

I will also present my artwork here in the form of emoticon. Not only that but I will reveal the true identity of Muhammed.

Muhammed was... a KOALA!



{(*o*)}

Benny Lava

Benny Lava celebrates his birthday on Draw Muhammad Day.

I wonder if the bakery will put Muhammad's face on the icing...

I will be drawing Muhammad anyway.

Genghiz Cohen

Benny Lava wrote: »

Benny Lava celebrates his birthday on Draw Muhammad Day.

I wonder if the bakery will put Muhammad's face on the icing...

I hope you mean the icing of a loony bun is fine benny lava.

storm2811

Does anyone else think this is just taking the piss out of their religion?
Not all muslims get so offended by this and all but surely they have the right to believe what they want and yes,we have the right to draw pictures of Mohammed aswell,but this is just making fun of someone's beliefs is it not?

Genghiz Cohen

storm2811 wrote: »

Does anyone else think this is just taking the piss out of their religion?
Not all muslims get so offended by this and all but surely they have the right to believe what they want and yes,we have the right to draw pictures of Mohammed aswell,but this is just making fun of someone's beliefs is it not?

You may have missed the point a little. This draw Muhammad thing is more about freedom of speech, some Muslims think they can stop us with threats of violence.
They can't and this is a way of showing it. It has nothing to do with the beliefs of their religion, it is their attitude of forcing others to follow that is being protested against.

fufureida

storm2811 wrote: »

Does anyone else think this is just taking the piss out of their religion?
Not all muslims get so offended by this and all but surely they have the right to believe what they want and yes,we have the right to draw pictures of Mohammed aswell,but this is just making fun of someone's beliefs is it not?

Agreed. I'm a Muslim and I was shocked by the Muslim reaction to the drawings of the Prophet (PBUH). Yes the images did anger me when I saw them. I thought ' Do they ever get bored of trying to make fun of our faith at any given opportunity? Do they ever get bored of discriminating against us?' but at the same time common sense told me that the Prophet taught us to go through these things and not to result to anger and violence, treat everyone with love and respect. Above all, I was shocked that Muslims don't seem to recall the harships the Prophet himself (PBUH) went through 1400 years ago. Surely a cartoon drawn buy some Danish guy ( who must have known the consequence to his actions; he provoked violence and I'm pretty sure he knew the emotionally volatile Muslim community would have responded badly) can't be the worse thing thrown at the Prophet (PBUH)?

The thing is we as muslims do not believe any one has the right to illustrate any holy figure; we do not consider ourselves worthy to depict such a divine being.

But so long as it's all in good humour and fun, you guys can have your ' draw Mohammad day ' just please try not to be disrespectful... I'm all for freedom of speech but freedom of insult is another matter all together. A piss take isn't nice... Neither is it*to make fun of any ones beliefs...*

But sure, Happy Holidays! Allah loves you all ( hopefully ...)

storm2811

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

You may have missed the point a little. This draw Muhammad thing is more about freedom of speech, some Muslims think they can stop us with threats of violence.
They can't and this is a way of showing it. It has nothing to do with the beliefs of their religion, it is their attitude of forcing others to follow that is being protested against.

Hmm,I see I kinda picked up the point wrong:o

But still,it is offense to muslims,most of them take their beliefs very seriously!

Flamed Diving

fufureida wrote: »

the emotionally volatile Muslim community would have responded badly

That's your communities problem, it shouldn't be ours. There is a veritable treasure trove of Jesus funnies on the internet, yet you don't see Christians going around head-butting 66-year old men, burning down buildings, etc, over it.

Emotionally volatile is an apt term, because this behaviour reminds me of a drama queen.

robindch

fufureida wrote: »

The thing is we as muslims do not believe any one has the right to illustrate any holy figure; we do not consider ourselves worthy to depict such a divine being.

Islamic societies were, at one time, quite happy to do this. But under the influence of a iconoclastic movement similar to a parallel one in Europe, they changed, and now, depictions of Mohammad are pretty much forbidden everywhere.

fufureida wrote: »

I'm all for freedom of speech but freedom of insult is another matter all together. A piss take isn't nice...

No, it's not nice. But it's much better than being murdered for being about to express an point of view which was uncomfortable to many people.

If people didn't react so violently and demand such total respect for their views, then it's almost certain that there there wouldn't be other people running around winding the first lot up.

eoin5

fufureida wrote: »

Agreed. I'm a Muslim and I was shocked by the Muslim reaction to the drawings of the Prophet (PBUH). Yes the images did anger me when I saw them. I thought ' Do they ever get bored of trying to make fun of our faith at any given opportunity? Do they ever get bored of discriminating against us?' but at the same time common sense told me that the Prophet taught us to go through these things and not to result to anger and violence, treat everyone with love and respect. Above all, I was shocked that Muslims don't seem to recall the harships the Prophet himself (PBUH) went through 1400 years ago. Surely a cartoon drawn buy some Danish guy ( who must have known the consequence to his actions; he provoked violence and I'm pretty sure he knew the emotionally volatile Muslim community would have responded badly) can't be the worse thing thrown at the Prophet (PBUH)?

The thing is we as muslims do not believe any one has the right to illustrate any holy figure; we do not consider ourselves worthy to depict such a divine being.

But so long as it's all in good humour and fun, you guys can have your ' draw Mohammad day ' just please try not to be disrespectful... I'm all for freedom of speech but freedom of insult is another matter all together. A piss take isn't nice... Neither is it*to make fun of any ones beliefs...*

But sure, Happy Holidays! Allah loves you all ( hopefully ...)

Religion is funny business, listen to this:

L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

Now, science fiction writers following the cue of some chap, I've forgotten his name now, Einstein, Beinstein, something like that, who said that MC squared over C wouldn't go, man, and that the speed of light could not be excessive. And actually I was looking up some speed tables the other day, and a trillion light years per day is not full throttle on a space wagon. So there's traffic between galaxies and there's traffic between islands of galaxies and other islands of galaxies. Interesting.

Now I don't really care if someone gets insulted when I say that its ridiculous, I'm sure someone would take offense but that's their problem wouldn't you say?

Flamed Diving

storm2811 wrote: »

But still,it is offense to muslims,most of them take their beliefs very seriously!

Storm, that is their problem. They choose to not depict Mo, so that means we must fall into line?

fufureida

Flamed Diving wrote: »

That's your communities problem, it shouldn't be ours. There is a veritable treasure trove of Jesus funnies on the internet, yet you don't see Christians going around head-butting 66-year old men, burning down buildings, etc, over it.
Emotionally volatile is an apt term, because this behaviour reminds me of a drama queen.

but what I dont understand it why do somethig when you know it may provoke violence? You my call it freedom of speech and expression, but do you accomplish anythig good? No.. You don't. Just a couple of angry idiots making a mockery of the faith. It's pointless debauchery, especially at a time when the whole world looks at Muslims with alot of hostility iand then some guy comes slog and says ' ah sure, I'll draw a couple of pictures, they'll all go crazy and Muslims will look even worse then they already do. Wahey! '

I completely agree with you that our communities have this problem. But if the problem is their why provoke it? S'all I'm saying. For me, it's not a big issue but for alot it is...

Its funny this... The Quran desrcibes Him as ' pale and rosy cheeked' yet all these drawings are like black guys. Lol.

Shhh... Don't get me started on problems with the Christian communityiesin Ireland...

Flamed Diving

fufureida wrote: »

But if the problem is their why provoke it?

I doubt you realise it, but that statement is a threat.

Islam, from my perspective, is a personal belief. An opinion. Nothing more. You have no right to stop me from drawing images of him no more than I have the right to stop you all from wearing hats because that offends my non-hat god.

You know this is a problem with me, so why provoke it?

Ridiculous.

fufureida

Flamed Diving wrote: »

I doubt you realise it, but that statement is a threat.

Islam, from my perspective, is a personal belief. An opinion. Nothing more. You have no right to stop me from drawing images of him no more than I have the right to stop you all from wearing hats because that offends my non-hat god.

You know this is a problem with me, so why provoke it?

Ridiculous.

Someone needs to take a chill pill... I allready said I don't care.

ANYWAY tbh I have met nicer atheists in my life time than I have ppl of any faith.
Now if you excuse me IM GONNA GO DRAW A PICTURE OF A PRIEST MOlESTING A LITTLE BOY AND PUBLISH IT IN A NEWS PAPER WITH PLENTY OF HARD LINE CATHOLIC READERS AND HOPE NOONE HATES ME FOR IT.

Lol XD you logic is put a bull in a red room it's not my fault if it goes crazy...

storm2811

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Storm, that is their problem. They choose to not depict Mo, so that means we must fall into line?

No,I don't agree with the way some muslims react to people drawing pictures of mohammed but i still think that this idea is not respecting their beliefs and that whoever made it up is just doing it to cause hassle and controversy..

fufureida

storm2811 wrote: »

No,I don't agree with the way some muslims react to people drawing pictures of mohammed but i still think that this idea is not respecting their beliefs and that whoever made it up is just doing it to cause hassle and controversy..

That's my point exactly. Sure disagree with the Quran that's your choice, don't agree with the Hijab, but purposely adding fuel to the flame? That I don't get.

And yes I'm a girl if anyone had doubts!

Mark Hamill

storm2811 wrote: »

No,I don't agree with the way some muslims react to people drawing pictures of mohammed but i still think that this idea is not respecting their beliefs and that whoever made it up is just doing it to cause hassle and controversy..

Who says you have to respect someones beliefs though?
Oh, you should respect someones right to have a belief, and their right to enact on that belief (as long as it doesn't effect anyone else), but why should I respect the muslim belief that mohammed shouldn't be illustrated when they dont respect my believe that no-one is above being made fun of?

smokingman

fufureida wrote: »

IM GONNA GO DRAW A PICTURE OF A PRIEST MOlESTING A LITTLE BOY AND PUBLISH IT IN A NEWS PAPER WITH PLENTY OF HARD LINE CATHOLIC READERS AND HOPE NOONE HATES ME FOR IT.

There's the difference though - you wouldn't get death threats from anyone, maybe the fundamentalists in the states, for doing that.

It does annoy me that it has come to this as I think Islam is a nice religion, just like christianity, if the core concepts are looked at - i.e. be nice to peeps.
Just a pity some loons think they can force their beliefs on others tho, no matter what the view.

fufureida

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Who says you have to respect someones beliefs though?
Oh, you should respect someones right to have a belief, and their right to enact on that belief (as long as it doesn't effect anyone else), but why should I respect the muslim belief that mohammed shouldn't be illustrated when they dont respect my believe that no-one is above being made fun of?

Your post makes no sense.
Basically you think it's ok to make fun of anyone?

I don't get it...

Whatever I'm back to the leaving cert forum lol BON COURAGE!

Mark Hamill

fufureida wrote: »

That's my point exactly. Sure disagree with the Quran that's your choice, don't agree with the Hijab, but purposely adding fuel to the flame? That I don't get.

Its very simple. We dont agree with the quran, therefore we draw pictures of mohammed. The fact that it bothers muslims is irrelevent, they choose to be bothered by it, you can ignore it, you can sit smug in the knowledge that we non-believers will be judged for it after we die, you can draw your own pictures of non muslim figure heads.
Instead you choose to get to offended because you expect that non muslim should give more of a crap about your beliefs than you give about our beliefs. Thats the disrespect that we are trying to demonstrate, the insecurity you have for your own beliefs and each and every threat merely strengthens our position.

fufureida

smokingman wrote: »

There's the difference though - you wouldn't get death threats from anyone, maybe the fundamentalists in the states, for doing that.

It does annoy me that it has come to this as I think Islam is a nice religion, just like christianity, if the core concepts are looked at - i.e. be nice to peeps.
Just a pity some loons think they can force their beliefs on others tho, no matter what the view.

I understand what u mean completely... I just don't get why someone would like I said earlier, add fuel to the fire? it's pathetic that's Muslims behaved this way and it's pathetic how ppl think they r making some sort of valid political/ personal point by drawing pics of tge Peophet? Both sides are really pathetic and childish...

And I'm saying all this as a Muslim.

sonicthebadger*

storm2811 wrote: »

Does anyone else think this is just taking the piss out of their religion?
Not all muslims get so offended by this and all but surely they have the right to believe what they want and yes,we have the right to draw pictures of Mohammed aswell,but this is just making fun of someone's beliefs is it not?

I also had the same concern but when I thought about it I felt that if Muslims were to say, "Hey guys, don't do that please, it upsets us when Mo is depicted graphically." I would say, no worries I'll draw sunflowers or something instead. But when someone says "Die with your throat cut you fupping Infidel scum!" I'm inclined to say... blow me ya jerk.

Now I do understand that a large number of Muslims are not the throat cutters and sorry about that, but hey, maybe everyone should lighten up and stop getting offended over silly things that are going to happen somewhere sometime anyway.

strobe

fufureida wrote: »

Do they ever get bored of trying to make fun of our faith at any given opportunity? Do they ever get bored of discriminating against us?'

Hmmmm, the thing is there was no discrimination involved whatsoever. Islam isn't being singled out. People draw satirical cartoons of all the other religions aswell (google "jesus lol" for example). It's equality rather than discrimination, if it is anything.

fufureida

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Its very simple. We dont agree with the quran, therefore we draw pictures of mohammed. The fact that it bothers muslims is irrelevent, they choose to be bothered by it, you can ignore it, you can sit smug in the knowledge that we non-believers will be judged for it after we die, you can draw your own pictures of non muslim figure heads.
Instead you choose to get to offended because you expect that non muslim should give more of a crap about your beliefs than you give about our beliefs. Thats the disrespect that we are trying to demonstrate, the insecurity you have for your own beliefs and each and every threat merely strengthens our position.

Your post made me haw haw.

I repeat, I don't give a ****! Lol it doesn't bother me. I just have an opinion on it. I'm off * flies away to leavibg cert forum *

storm2811

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Who says you have to respect someones beliefs though?
Oh, you should respect someones right to have a belief, and their right to enact on that belief (as long as it doesn't effect anyone else), but why should I respect the muslim belief that mohammed shouldn't be illustrated when they dont respect my believe that no-one is above being made fun of?

But you'd like people to respect your belief "that no-one is above being made fun of?",the same way they'd like us to respect their beliefs?;)
All i was saying is that,although this thing is about expressing freedom of speech,they could have done something else to show this.
I'm not a muslim (atheist) but I do think this Mohammed thing is being treated like a joke.

Mark Hamill

fufureida wrote: »

Your post makes no sense.
Basically you think it's ok to make fun of anyone?

I don't get it...

Of course its ok to make fun of anyone, especially from a religious view. We are all equal in the eyes of a god, all humour is based on poking fun at someone, so if its ok to make fun of anyone, it has to be ok to make fun of anyone.
Do you think there are some people who should not be made fun of? Why should anyone be above being made fun of?

sonicthebadger*

fufureida wrote: »

Lol XD you logic is put a bull in a red room it's not my fault if it goes crazy...

Your logic suggests that Muslims should be treated like bulls? Muslims should be treated like animals? I can't say I agree with that point of view.

storm2811 wrote: »

But you'd like people to respect your belief "that no-one is above being made fun of?",the same way they'd like us to respect their beliefs?;)

Not at all, you can make fun of that belief all you like. :pac:

strobe

fufureida wrote: »

I understand what u mean completely... I just don't get why someone would like I said earlier, add fuel to the fire? it's pathetic that's Muslims behaved this way and it's pathetic how ppl think they r making some sort of valid political/ personal point by drawing pics of tge Peophet? Both sides are really pathetic and childish...

And I'm saying all this as a Muslim.

Why add fuel to the fire? Because the only other option is "appeasment". As we have seen from history appeasing violent thugs just makes the situation worse and spurs them on. I always see this from muslims "why do it, what good will come from it?". It is more about what bad will come from it if people don't do it.

Mark Hamill

storm2811 wrote: »

But you'd like people to respect your belief "that no-one is above being made fun of?",the same way they'd like us to respect their beliefs?;)

No, I would like people to respect me enough to allow me that belief, and to challenge in a civil and logically way it if they disagree with it.

storm2811 wrote: »

All i was saying is that,although this thing is about expressing freedom of speech,they could have done something else to show this.

Given the reaction to south park having mohammed in an episode recently I think it is apt.

storm2811 wrote: »

I'm not a muslim (atheist) but I do think this Mohammed thing is being treated like a joke.

I'm sure there are some people treating it purely like a joke, but so what? We treat Jesus like a joke (google "Jesus lol") and in that south park episode buddha was depicted as having a cocain addiction and no-one batted an eyelid. People need to learn their beliefs are not above ridicule. People need to lose the insecurity that causes them to react aggressively when people question or insult their beliefs.

Violent reactions to this sort of thing completely baffle me. If someone truely believes mohammed shouldn't be drawn then they must also believe in god and heaven and hell and people being judged after they die for what they do. If they truely believe this, then they must believe that we will be judged for what they do by god, and nothing they can do will be even remotely as just or powerful as what he will do, so their actions are entirely moot. The only conclusions are that these people either do not really believe, and the reaction is to back up the facade which they need to keep the power they have from appearing to believe, or these people just do not think about their religion at all. Its madness.

storm2811

sonicthebadger* wrote: »

Not at all, you can make fun of that belief all you like. :pac:

Damn,there's my point gone out the window:pac:

sensibleken

theres a difference between freedom of speech and just plain being a dick.

im all up for free speech but all rights come with responsibilities.

doing stuff just to offend people is being a dick.

dick

Zombrex

fufureida wrote: »

but what I dont understand it why do somethig when you know it may provoke violence?

To demonstrate that we do not have to surrender our values and freedoms under threat of violence and intimidation.

There is no difference between having freedoms you do not exercise because of fear of violence and having no freedoms at all.

The Muslims who threaten us all want us to lose our freedoms. They won't win.

sonicthebadger*

sensibleken wrote: »

theres a difference between freedom of speech and just plain being a dick.

im all up for free speech but all rights come with responsibilities.

doing stuff just to offend people is being a dick.

dick

In this wonderful world we all share it is possible to switch off; switch over; or just avert your eyes. If someone is trying to offend you they probably are being a dick, you can't kill them for it, if you could we'd just be having a competition over who's the biggest dick all the time and the winner would have the most kills.

Kinda puts me in mind of that dicks fcuk assholes speech from Team America.