Aftershock: Ghost Land

Pablod

Interesting Documentary on RTE at the moment,
Reviewing various developments around Ireland that are basically Ghost Estates.

A lot of the stories shown i'm sure will relate to a lot of people

Worth a watch.

Jelly 292

Aye,
It looks like a copmuter game set.Half Life 2 /stalker grimm

sunshinyday

Yea its intersting viewing.

I think one of the most common realisations from the programme is that people couldnt satisfy their wants and now they realise this reality regardless if the consider it their fault or not.

Maggiesims

Very interestng programme. I think the couples featured didn't "satisfy their wants" by buying a house which was over valued. A house is a "need" more than a "want". House prices were rising and rising and they felt if they didn't buy in 06 or 07 house prices would just keep rising. Couples had jobs when they bought these houses and could afford them but didn't see the down turn coming and the possibility of losing their jobs.:(

Mister men

Fantastic programme with an insight into the life of those on the cold face of the criminal activities of our political leaders in the last 10 years.

And still we don't march. Shame on all of us.

sunshinyday

Yea i agree with you Maggiesims. They did feel at the time they were satisfying their wants but sure for us all hindsight is always a great thing.

Good programme

sesna

Most laughable of all was quote from Clowen saying as Minister for Finance that no problem existed. And that fool with the wig, Donie Cassidy quoted in Senate two years ago as saying that houses represented "incredibly good value".

sunshinyday

Criminal activity of our political leaders???

The Sparrow

Good programme.

My favourite bit was when they were showing prospective buyers around a house in Mullingar and they walk into the kitchen and there is a wall with three clocks. Mullingar. Paris. New York.

That had me in stitches for about 5 mins.

Our man in Havana

The Sparrow wrote: »

Good programme.

My favourite bit was when they were showing prospective buyers around a house in Mullingar and they walk into the kitchen and there is a wall with three clocks. Mullingar. Paris. New York.

That had me in stitches for about 5 mins.

Indeed.

The clocks were not even set correctly.

Mister men

sunshinyday wrote: »

Criminal activity of our political leaders???

That's right criminal activity. Don't tell me they just made honest mistakes right.

amacachi

Mister men wrote: »

That's right criminal activity. Don't tell me they just made honest mistakes right.

Also it was criminal activity by everyone who bought something it turned out they couldn't afford.

Our man in Havana

amacachi wrote: »

Also it was criminal activity by everyone who bought something it turned out they couldn't afford.

Explain. It is not a criminal offence not to be able to pay bills.

This will be heading away from here very soon if this line of post is continued.

Maggiesims

amacachi wrote: »

Also it was criminal activity by everyone who bought something it turned out they couldn't afford.

Anyone that bought a house "could" afford it at the time. There was a couple where the wife was working and the husband worked as an electrician. Unfortunately he lost his job and "now" they can't pay for the house.

Unfortunately they could not see into the future:rolleyes:

amacachi

Bond-007 wrote: »

Explain. It is not a criminal offence not to be able to pay bills.

This will be heading away from here very soon if this line of post is continued.

Sarcasm. Basically everyone seems to like to think that everyone else did something "wrong", whereas their situation they just made a mistake.

Our man in Havana

Maggiesims wrote: »

Anyone that bought a house "could" afford it at the time. There was a couple where the wife was working and the husband worked as an electrician. Unfortunately he lost his job and "now" they can't pay for the house.

Unfortunately they could not see into the future:rolleyes:

Indeed.

If we could see the future, I would have won the lotto 50 times by now.

miss5

Just watched it, It's awful to think there are 600 vacant housing estates
in Ireland, Fianna Fail have a lot to answer for given the state of this country.

carveone

I'm not sure if RTE did this deliberately but I found the contrasts interesting. Firstly - The first woman, complaining about... what... didn't get her tennis courts? Far to the hospital? Her kids playing in the one or two unfinished houses which they're trespassing in while the mothers stand there and look at them? Well screw her - the houses were stunning, lovely play area in the middle there; I'd kill to live somewhere like that.

And I'm meant to be sympathetic to this? Here's an idea. Get off your arse and do something yourself. This is a real city folk attitude, waiting for the council to come and wipe your arse for you.

Secondly, the developer. These are the "evil developers" who wrecked the place. This guy said he'd lost everything, including his son. Owes the bank 20 million. But he'd been in business since 1982; which means that during those awful years - I vividly remember 1985-1987 being unbelievably crap - this guy was providing employment for people. Putting food on tables.

The others were all in the middle. I must say my heart goes out to the family in Belmaine. Not far from me. There's been murders in there and all. Scumbags renting in there treating the place like their own personal party house. Jesus wept. And if you are in an unfinished estate, with disinterested renters and non-functioning sewage and noone willing to take action or help... Well, that really sucks worse than anything....

sesna

amacachi wrote: »

Sarcasm. Basically everyone seems to like to think that everyone else did something "wrong", whereas their situation they just made a mistake.

Yeah FF, Ahern, Clowen, the media complicit in advertising revenue from property supplements had nothing to do this. The fault lies solely with young couples who were trying to scrape a deposit together for a house, being sold the line that if they didn't get on the "property ladder" immediately, they would be left behind forever ...

Fluffybums

I suspect that most of the houses built in the last few years did not comply with building regulations and/or planning at the time never mind the current ones. So if building standards are ever enforced (we have plenty of regulations but virtually no enforcement) the houses are worth nothing and I am fairly sure mine falls into that category. It was not in the authorities interest to enforce regs as they would not get the money from the developers.


I really hope I'm wrong.

amacachi

sesna wrote: »

Yeah FF, Ahern, Clowen, the media complicit in advertising revenue from property supplements had nothing to do this. The fault lies solely with young couples who were trying to scrape a deposit together for a house, being sold the line that if they didn't get on the "property ladder" immediately, they would be left behind forever ...

Yep, that's what I said. You have in no way misrepresented my post.


It's not just people on the property ladder affected either, just talkin to my cousin who's an apprentice plasterer, FÁS currently have over 400 apprentices unable to find work in Louth alone. Bear in mind the average apprenitceship is meant to take 4 years and Louth's fairly small population to give that some perspective.

bad2dabone

carveone wrote: »

The others were all in the middle. I must say my heart goes out to the family in Belmaine. Not far from me. There's been murders in there and all. .

hiya

I live there, no murders at all. In fact its fairly quiet.

just people in negative equity.

Which won't be helped by false rumors of murders.

Mister men

Fluffybums wrote: »

I suspect that most of the houses built in the last few years did not comply with building regulations and/or planning at the time never mind the current ones. So if building standards are ever enforced (we have plenty of regulations but virtually no enforcement) the houses are worth nothing and I am fairly sure mine falls into that category. It was not in the authorities interest to enforce regs as they would not get the money from the developers.


I really hope I'm wrong.

Sorry to hear about your troubles and i doubt if it's any comfort but your not alone. Plenty of horror stories out there from builders i know who knew the houses they where throwing up where sub standard. Labourers doing plastering,tiling,even block laying and i'm not talking about guy's who had been labouring for years but young lads who where just out of school straight onto the sites.

carveone

bad2dabone wrote: »

hiya

I live there, no murders at all. In fact its fairly quiet.

just people in negative equity.

Which won't be helped my rumors of murders

Goddamnit. I'm really sorry - you are absolutely right of course. Belmayne is on the other side of the N32 down towards Clare Hall and stretches right the way across to Father Collins' Park. There was some poor bloke stabbed after complaining about noise, but that was on the other side of the Grange Road nearer Donamede. Up towards me in other words.

Ok, I'm a twat - I'll check more carefully before posting. Sorry...

Maggiesims

Just another thought on tonights programme. I know alot of people are in financial trouble and alot are not. Lots lost their jobs and lots didn't. Unemployment is 14%. 86% are employed

Is the media trying to blow the recession out of proportion! I see RTE have a series of programmes on the effects of the recession coming on stream within the coming weeks and if they are of similar format to tonights one ie greyish colour, grim faces etc it will be very depressing. :eek:

amacachi

Maggiesims wrote: »

Just another thought on tonights programme. I know alot of people are in financial trouble and alot are not. Lots lost their jobs and lots didn't. Unemployment is 14%. 86% are employed

Is the media trying to blow the recession out of proportion! I see RTE have a series of programmes on the effects of the recession coming on stream within the coming weeks and if they are of similar format to tonights one ie greyish colour, grim faces etc it will be very depressing. :eek:

Being unemployed isn't the same as not having a job.
But yes, IMO it's being pumped up by the media, just as the "good times" were pumped up and became a self-fulfilling prophecy for a while.

bad2dabone

not to worry Carveone, i'm from donaghmede myself.
I don't think our estate should be on the ghost estates thingy as they're still building although at a far reduced rate. I do think our estate should be on a programme about people who overpaid for their properties, but to be honest it was our own decision to make at the time. I feel sorry for the family who were in trouble with their mortgage, I lost my job during the bust too so i know what they're feeling, however it said that couple borrowed 320k if the worst came to the worst they're perhaps 25 - 30 k in negative equity. It could be much worse.

If the chap was lucky enough to get a job their money worries would be solved soon enough, so fingers crossed for him.

sunshinyday

Maggiesims wrote: »

Just another thought on tonights programme. I know alot of people are in financial trouble and alot are not. Lots lost their jobs and lots didn't. Unemployment is 14%. 86% are employed

Is the media trying to blow the recession out of proportion! I see RTE have a series of programmes on the effects of the recession coming on stream within the coming weeks and if they are of similar format to tonights one ie greyish colour, grim faces etc it will be very depressing. :eek:

i think its worth remembering that tv production companies are fighting a recession too, the more sensational a story they can capture the better return for them and the tv station that hosts it.

its all meat in a media sandwich. its always worth considering that what they show is a slice of the senario and that there are alot worse cases and many less effected yet effected.

K-9

amacachi wrote: »

Being unemployed isn't the same as not having a job.
But yes, IMO it's being pumped up by the media, just as the "good times" were pumped up and became a self-fulfilling prophecy for a while.

In fairness to RTE, tonights programme was excellent. They tried to do it as sympathetically as possible to everybody involved.

When you hear about ghost estates and 40% of house owners being in negative equity, this puts the stats in a human perspective.

Cabaal

No sign of this show on RTE Player

ocokev

The couple with the 2 children.
Firstly playschool for the girl cost 55 euro per week while the husband sits at home. Take the young wan out of play school and mind her yourself.
Secondly a 47,000 euro Opal Antara jeep?
Sell it you clearly cannot afford it or the motor tax on it.

danbohan

ocokev wrote: »

The couple with the 2 children.
Firstly playschool for the girl cost 55 euro per week while the husband sits at home. Take the young wan out of play school and mind her yourself.
Secondly a 47,000 euro Opal Antara jeep?
Sell it you clearly cannot afford it or the motor tax on it.

nama said last week that some of the developers are still living in cloud cuckoo land .so it seems are lots of other people

Our man in Havana

This thread is not for discussing NAMA, or to be the moral compass of the nation with I told you so merchants.

Want to discuss NAMA, go to politics.

supremenovice

It was funny looking at the students being ferried around in a bus looking at all the ghost estates.
Reminded me of a tour of the Homes of the Stars in Hollywood..
"and on your left youll see the remains of the legendary Liam Carroll, who youll know from such developments as 'Cherrywood' & 'Clonburris', before the evil banks overcame and destroyed him."

Firefox11

Have we not had enough of these programmes? We love wallowing in our own misery in this country. Why is that?

Radiotower

If i was living in one of those ghost estates, first thing I'd do is buy a big chain and lock, round up all the ladders and chain them to a tree to stop the kids using them to climb up on half built houses.

I think the Owens guy from Mullingar was a straight forward guy - at least he kept the grass cut and is trying his best to fill the estate up. He's been through alot over the years. I bet he got plenty of advice back in the boom to buy the site and build the houses and make a nice profit - sure every farmer with a bit of land thought they were a property developer! Just bad timing for him

zac8

The Sparrow wrote: »

Good programme.

My favourite bit was when they were showing prospective buyers around a house in Mullingar and they walk into the kitchen and there is a wall with three clocks. Mullingar. Paris. New York.

That had me in stitches for about 5 mins.

That house actually featured in another RTE program a few years ago......Showhouse :eek:

ocokev

The Sparrow wrote: »

Good programme.

My favourite bit was when they were showing prospective buyers around a house in Mullingar and they walk into the kitchen and there is a wall with three clocks. Mullingar. Paris. New York.

The clocks should have read, Mullingar. Dublin. Galway.
Give it a real national effect.

danbohan

Bond-007 wrote: »

This thread is not for discussing NAMA, or to be the moral compass of the nation with I told you so merchants.

Want to discuss NAMA, go to politics.

nobody is discussing NAMA , it was mentioned in relation somebody having a 50k jeep , neg equity , and still paying childcare even though husband was unemployed and could/ should do it .and what exactly is ,a told you so merchant . as a moderator you should not be allowing your personal bias/ bile to influence your role

Pot Noodle =

Yeah still not on iPlayer

Our man in Havana

danbohan wrote: »

nobody is discussing NAMA , it was mentioned in relation somebody having a 50k jeep , neg equity , and still paying childcare even though husband was unemployed and could/ should do it .and what exactly is ,a told you so merchant . as a moderator you should not be allowing your personal bias/ bile to influence your role

You are skating on very thin ice. Watch your step.

Radiotower

Pot wrote:

Yeah still not on iPlayer

Its usually around 24hrs before shows come on-line after been aired on the TV as far as i know

Our man in Havana

It will be there by tonight.

wintear

How were the film crew allowed film those kids riding their bikes and clambering up very precarious ladders onto incomplete second floors of those houses?

Is it not the case they whole lot of them were trespassing? But to be honest it did not look the safest thing to do with a load of kids for the sake of a dramatic shot for the program.

delop

Radiotower wrote: »

Its usually around 24hrs before shows come on-line after been aired on the TV as far as i know

The week in politics was on after it, and its up there...

Was there a live element to the show?

seems a bit odd its not there, I sent an email to rte player to ask why and got an out of office message , so i guess that might explain ....

And got the renewal letter for my TV license this morning too, feels like Ive only just paid it :-(

walshb

carveone wrote: »

I'm not sure if RTE did this deliberately but I found the contrasts interesting. Firstly - The first woman, complaining about... what... didn't get her tennis courts? Far to the hospital? Her kids playing in the one or two unfinished houses which they're trespassing in while the mothers stand there and look at them? Well screw her - the houses were stunning, lovely play area in the middle there; I'd kill to live somewhere like that.

And I'm meant to be sympathetic to this? Here's an idea. Get off your arse and do something yourself. This is a real city folk attitude, waiting for the council to come and wipe your arse for you.

..

Absolutely. That first woman had some ****ing neck getting on and complaining about her son and his injuries. Hey, how about you parent your son and be aware what he is up to. Allowing the son to cycle in the dark whilst knowing the dangers? And then having the gall to go on national tv to moan?:rolleyes:

The children openly trespassing in full view of the cameras and the parents nowhere to be seen.... You couldn't make it up.

ShumanTheHuman

walshb wrote: »

Absolutely. That first woman had some ****ing neck getting on and complaining about her son and his injuries. Hey, how about you parent your son and be aware what he is up to. Allowing the son to cycle in the dark whilst knowing the dangers? And then having the gall to go on national tv to moan?:rolleyes:

The children openly trespassing in full view of the cameras and the parents nowhere to be seen.... You couldn't make it up.

What about the two guys in Cork complaining about the large scaffolding erected near their houses - "It'll take some kid falling off and dying before anything is done about it."
Two grown men, couple of weekends and the lot should be down I'd have thought.

ei.sdraob

ocokev wrote: »

The clocks should have read, Mullingar. Dublin. Galway.
Give it a real national effect.

i laughed and i cried

oflahero

Bond-007 wrote: »

It will be there by tonight.

It won't. Poster from another forum enquired and received the response:

Thank you for contacting the RTÉ Player team with your query.

We are trying to put as many programmes in the Player as possible. However, we need to secure the internet rights from all of the relevant copyright holders and regret that we do not have the rights to include Aftershock: Ghost Land whih was broadcast last night in the RTÉ Player

Pot Noodle =

Who made it

Skid

oflahero wrote: »

It won't. Poster from another forum enquired and received the response:

Quote:
Thank you for contacting the RTÉ Player team with your query.

We are trying to put as many programmes in the Player as possible. However, we need to secure the internet rights from all of the relevant copyright holders and regret that we do not have the rights to include Aftershock: Ghost Land which was broadcast last night in the RTÉ Player


That's odd - I can only guess that the production company were looking for additional payments for the online rights.

Doesn't seem to be any repeats scheduled either.