Dispute with boss over petrol. - your take.

W.Shakes-Beer

Ok, I work for a popular chain company in Dublin.

We are in the process of getting new systems installed and therefore require training for them.

5 part timers (inclusing myself) had to get from the Artane/Coolock area to Tallaght for this training and then back to home, for 2 nights of this week.

The manager said travel expenses would be paid for, i.e. bus and luas for each of us. I thought it'd be better (and a hell of alot cheaper) to go in my car so the deal was done, my fuel/ toll would be paid for.

I put €20 petrol in my car before i left ( brought it from quarter tank to half tank). The petrol worked out at €1.369 and gave approx 14 litres.

I clocked the trip at 11 miles each way, so over the 2 nights, 44 miles were covered, with 1 trip through the city centre, 1 trip via M50.

My car is a 1.4 16v Astra, which was fully loaded with 5 people on board.

After the 2 days, the needle was back where it started ( at the quarter mark).

I completed both days travels, with the receipt for petrol and the toll, and left them in for the manager.

skip forward 2 days

I go to work, the first night since receipts have been left in, and €16 had been left out for me by the manager. Thats €6 for the toll and a tenner for the fuel. So i am now €10 out of pocket.

I am informed by another employee that the manager thought this was too much for petrol (bare in mind manager doesnt even drive) and that if i had any problems with it to sort it out with him this coming tuesday (which i WILL be doing).

Now, me feeling hard done by, im only 20 yrs old and doing max 8 hrs a week in work along with being in college. €10 means alot more to me than the company.

Whats your take on the situation?

mkdon05

Revenue mileage rates for your car are .4625 cent per mile x 44miles
That means you should be paid €20.35 for mileage and €6 for toll bridge.

SV

I think he owes you the tenner and will probably cave when questioned about it..

good luck though

jaffa20

€20 euro fuel for 44miles doesn't sound right. What's your average mpg?

Your manager sounds tight though all the same.

20x 1.369

=27.38 lires/6.022 gallons

= 7.31mpg!

http://www.torquecars.com/tools/uk-mpg-calculator.php

shofukan

Man it's a tenner.. Seriously.

W.Shakes-Beer

jaffa20 wrote: »

€20 euro fuel for 44miles doesn't sound right. What's your average mpg?

Your manager sounds tight though all the same.

mpg is normally 38 by the book. bare in mind though, whit traffic and 5 people in the car.

seanor3 wrote: »

Man it's a tenner.. Seriously.

yes i know but its my tenner. i dont exactly have money falling out my arse so it means more to me than it may you.

W.Shakes-Beer

jaffa20 wrote: »

€20 euro fuel for 44miles doesn't sound right. What's your average mpg?

Your manager sounds tight though all the same.

20x 1.369

=27.38 lires/6.022 gallons

= 7.31mpg!!! :O

i wish i'd get 27 litres from €20. said 14 litres on receipt

jaffa20

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

i wish i'd get 27 litres from €20. said 14 litres on receipt

Sorry, dunno where i got the litres calculation from. Still with 14 litres, that's 14.29 mpg over 44 miles. But you were also doing a favour and public transports would have cost more so don't see any reason why the boss can't give you the tenner. Wouldn't cause too much trouble over it though.

joey54

seanor3 wrote: »

Man it's a tenner.. Seriously.

As Op said they are a student and only work about 8 hours a week, €10 is a lot of money in this case!

OP, take it up with your manger. I reckon once you question them about they'll give it to you. Of course they'll try get away with giving you less than they have to.

daveharnett

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

Whats your take on the situation?

So rather than the originally agreed 5x ticket fares, he's being asked for 1x petrol and toll. And he's making a fuss about it? I see a bright future in management for this man.

PARKHEAD67

seanor3 wrote: »

Man it's a tenner.. Seriously.

Its just a tenner:D.But I was a student once

JHMEG

mkdon05 wrote: »

Revenue mileage rates for your car are .4625 cent per mile x 44miles
That means you should be paid €20.35 for mileage and €6 for toll bridge.

They're Revenue maximum rates, beyond which there are tax implications. They're the rates paid by the Civil Service, and are not usually not as generous in the Private Sector, a lot of companies opting to pay half.

But the principle is the same: you should have agreed a mileage rate, as opposed to "20 quids worth of petrol".

If you were paid half the Civil Service rate you'd have been paid €16.17 all in, so he's not far out.

Bandara

seanor3 wrote: »

Man it's a tenner.. Seriously.

a tenner is still a tenner, but you want to be careful that this doesn't end up being the most expensive tenner you ever got.

Theres very few jobs out there and if you go to war with you manager over a tenner there is only going to be one winner. Yeah he'll pay you it, but your going to be marginalising yourself.

I'd approach it casually but if your getting resistance I'd drop it. yeah you shouldnt have too but no job/reduced hours isn't much fun either, especially when things are tight for you.

good luck

mullingar

A return ticket from coolock to tallaght via bus/luas is what €4??
X5 lads X 2 days = € 40.

Cheap skate boss, in good faith should have said to get me receipts for the €40 for either public transport or a fuel/toll receipts for €40.

This stuff ALWAYS ruins the mutual respect that should be there between employees and management. You said you work for a chain company?, this cheapness will spread like wildfire and will just alienate management even more.

FFS €10 :rolleyes: Mumble to him : How much is a tyre on your fancy car? (Jokingly!)


Edit: You could subscribe your boss's email account to all those porn/virus sites. Untraceable !!!

W.Shakes-Beer

mullingar wrote: »

A return ticket from coolock to tallaght via bus/luas is what €4??
X5 lads X 2 days = € 40.

Cheap skate boss, in good faith should have said to get me receipts for the €40 for either public transport or a fuel/toll receipts for €40.

This stuff ALWAYS ruins the mutual respect that should be there between employees and management. You said you work for a chain company?, this cheapness will spread like wildfire and will just alienate management even more.

FFS €10 :rolleyes: Mumble to him : How much is a tyre on your fancy car? (Jokingly!)


Edit: You could subscribe your boss's email account to all those porn/virus sites. Untraceable !!!

that'd be brilliant!

TestTransmission

44 miles and 20 quid of petrol,you must drive the hell out of the car

corktina

ya.I get paid 25c per mile which in your case would be €11

I make a profit of about a third on this rate....:D which would cover the toils. Stop endangering your future employment prospects for a few miserable cents!

(€20 takes me 140 miles btw)

daveharnett

corktina wrote: »

ya.I get paid 25c per mile which in your case would be €11

I make a profit of about a third on this rate....:D

No you don't. Petrol and tolls are not the only cost associated with driving a mile: depreciation, insurance, tax, tyres, maintenance, repairs etc...

corktina

daveharnett wrote: »

No you don't. Petrol and tolls are not the only cost associated with driving a mile: depreciation, insurance, tax, tyres, maintenance, repairs etc...

:rolleyes:

the_syco

OP, find out how much those who got public transport got paid for their travel, and how much they spent.

dudara

In this kind of situation you're better off defining a mileage rate - in my firm we get something like 43.5 c/km.

Shane732

corktina wrote: »

ya.I get paid 25c per mile which in your case would be €11

I make a profit of about a third on this rate....:D which would cover the toils. Stop endangering your future employment prospects for a few miserable cents!

(€20 takes me 14 miles btw)

Sorry just had to change something....

Shane732

As noted the Revenue guidelines are the maximum amount that can be paid without crystallizing a charge to BIK. They are the rates a civil servant gets. Most companies tend to implement these rates but they are not required to do so.

Technically speaking you had no need to take the M50 it would have been a shorter distance for you to have gone through town, plus you would have saved the tolls. If using the Revenue guidelines then you are entitled to claim back the shortest distance - therefore you're entitled to the amount going through town. Plus technically speaking you're not entitled to the tolls either as you took the decision to take the M50.

However this is taking an extreme view of it. Most employers would cover the cost of the tolls etc...

Your employer should have a set scale in relation to mileage claims. If the company you're working for are a medium/large company then I'd be very surprised if they don't have a set scale.

Either way it's only a €10. It would just about cover one drink on a night out, I wouldn't worry about it.

EPM

corktina wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Try doing regular mileage for work and see how much your car costs you to keep in order and in depreciation. Petrol is about half of the cost

carefulnow100

What you do is tell him you want the tenner back out of his pocket, is this person the owner or the manager of the business?? If there a manager he prob would have pocketed the tenner thinkg little student wont say anything. Id deffo say something as you said it may only be a tenner, but its your tenner!!.

corktina

EPM wrote: »

Try doing regular mileage for work and see how much your car costs you to keep in order and in depreciation. Petrol is about half of the cost

but he talking about a one off two evening trip totalling 44 miles not commuting to the other end of the Province! How much tyre wear or extra serving cost does that make? a few cents only

corktina

Shane732 wrote: »

Sorry just had to change something....

are well you'd be right if I was in the Cortina, but i was right the fiorst time

squod

I'm with your manager on this one. €20 for 44 miles is too much.

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

€1.369

Seriously, I dunno anyone who would pay that for petrol.

L1011

squod wrote: »

I'm with your manager on this one. €20 for 44 miles is too much.

Revenue disagree with you, going on their authorised rates (which are the rates any reasonable company pays).

squod wrote: »

Seriously, I dunno anyone who would pay that for petrol.

You'll get it for what, all of 3c cheaper if you shop around? pumps.ie average is 134.9

Would get you about half a litre more on filling up with 20, and probably use that much going looking for it anyway.

squod

MYOB wrote: »

You'll get it for what, all of 3c cheaper if you shop around? pumps.ie average is 134.9

Would get you about half a litre more on filling up with 20, and probably use that much going looking for it anyway.

I really can't agree with you on this. I regularly go out of my way to avoid these kind of nut-job prices (136.9c). Around here the cheapest is 131.9c, without having to travel over a mile. I expect it's alot easier to find even cheaper juice in Dublin

Shane732

squod wrote: »

I really can't agree with you on this. I regularly go out of my way to avoid these kind of nut-job prices (136.9c). Around here the cheapest is 131.9c, without having to travel over a mile. I expect it's alot easier to find even cheaper juice in Dublin

Ah yes the man who'll drive 35 miles out of his way (each way) to get petrol for 5c cheaper.

A wise man.

squod

Shane732 wrote: »

Ah yes the man who'll drive 35 miles out of his way (each way) to get petrol for 5c cheaper.

A wise man.

Huh? Honestly if you're trying to suggest there'e no cheaper juice in Dublin. Then you're obviously wrong. I take it then that this is trolling.

-Corkie-

squod wrote: »

I really can't agree with you on this. I regularly go out of my way to avoid these kind of nut-job prices (136.9c). Around here the cheapest is 131.9c, without having to travel over a mile. I expect it's alot easier to find even cheaper juice in Dublin

Your from cavan i presume:)

squod

http://www.pumps.ie/findStationsByArea.php?county=Dublin&zone=Dublin+10

10 second search?

jaffa20

squod wrote: »

http://www.pumps.ie/findStationsByArea.php?county=Dublin&zone=Dublin+10

10 second search?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=artane&daddr=Ballyfermot,+Dublin+20,+Co.+Dublin+City,+Ireland+(Ballyfermot)&hl=en&geocode=FdGjLgMdwSah_yk_f6QzzA9nSDGBU7S6p8cAJg%3BFavwLQMdhEaf_ykBGw1G5QxnSDGHVokNQOaVoA&mra=ls&sll=53.344633,-6.338081&sspn=0.010223,0.042272&g=ballyfermot&ie=UTF8&ll=53.373703,-6.298943&spn=0.086845,0.338173&z=12

EPM

corktina wrote: »

but he talking about a one off two evening trip totalling 44 miles not commuting to the other end of the Province! How much tyre wear or extra serving cost does that make? a few cents only

Well it was based in the context of your own statement.

@ OP - I wouldn't fall out with your boss over it but mention it. Fairs fair and all that. Pain in the backside but they should be looking after you properly too and you can be sure they know they are trying to pull a fast one

I reckon the manager doesn't have a clue as he doesn't drive, give him all the facts and I think he'll cough up

W.Shakes-Beer

TestTransmission wrote: »

44 miles and 20 quid of petrol,you must drive the hell out of the car

5 people in car, 1.4 engine, stop start driving during rush hour times. Remember, with the current ****e petrol prices I only got approx. 14 litres.

the_syco wrote: »

OP, find out how much those who got public transport got paid for their travel, and how much they spent.

I shall do!

squod wrote: »

I'm with your manager on this one. €20 for 44 miles is too much.

Seriously, I dunno anyone who would pay that for petrol.

As above, 5 people, 14 litres blah blah blah. The best price you will find around Dublin 5, is about 1.35 - 1.36. I cant justify driving out of my way for a few cent, probably using more fuel.

RoverJames wrote: »

I reckon the manager doesn't have a clue as he doesn't drive, give him all the facts and I think he'll cough up

Thats basically what I'll do.

Some good replies there, I get the gist of what people are saying.

Mods, feel free to lock this one up, I think it has run out of fuel

jaffa20

Ah no, don't lock it. You have to let us know what happens now

Fishtits

Why didn't they just agree to give you Revenue approved mileage allowances?

They can claim it as an expense so in real terms it costs them nothing... :rolleyes:

KISS comes to mind.

Lord Nikon

If a tenner means so much to you, you should have asked the other 4 patrons of your car to cough up a euro for each day.

I wouldnt dream of going somewhere in another persons car without contributing a few euro.

L1011

squod wrote: »

I really can't agree with you on this. I regularly go out of my way to avoid these kind of nut-job prices (136.9c). Around here the cheapest is 131.9c, without having to travel over a mile. I expect it's alot easier to find even cheaper juice in Dublin

There are parts of Dublin where there is only one petrol station in the area, so no - its not "alot" easier. Its significantly harder.

I've long since given up bothering hunting out somewhere thats often as little as 0.1c a litre cheaper, as the hassle - and most importantly the fuel used getting there - versus the Maxol opposite my house is completely pointless. I've better things to do in my life than potentially save 30c on a tank which I'll have lost in the time it takes to drive to the other station!


More importantly, if I was doing that kind of searching and driving whilst on company time, ten minutes out of my way would cost them about ten times what the difference would be!!

squod

MYOB wrote: »

There are parts of Dublin where there is only one petrol station in the area, so no - its not "alot" easier. Its significantly harder.

I've long since given up bothering hunting out somewhere thats often as little as 0.1c a litre cheaper, as the hassle - and most importantly the fuel used getting there - versus the Maxol opposite my house is completely pointless. I've better things to do in my life than potentially save 30c on a tank which I'll have lost in the time it takes to drive to the other station!


More importantly, if I was doing that kind of searching and driving whilst on company time, ten minutes out of my way would cost them about ten times what the difference would be!!

That's the difference I guess. I'd be shot for spending it. Like, how many garages do you pass during the week?

L1011

squod wrote: »

That's the difference I guess. I'd be shot for spending it. Like, how many garages do you pass during the week?

If your employer is more concerned about you saving a few cent on a tank of fuel when it takes up gobs of *their* time to do so, they've got their priorities completely and utterly arseways.


And as I'm a 26-county field engineer, I pass about 300 a week, maybe more. Conservative estimate. However my employer provides a fuel card for the company car so I realistically don't even look at prices.

daveharnett

neuromancer wrote: »

If a tenner means so much to you, you should have asked the other 4 patrons of your car to cough up a euro for each day.

When he and all of his passengers were travelling on company's dime?

Lord Nikon

daveharnett wrote: »

When he and all of his passengers were travelling on company's dime?

Looks like he's still waiting on that dime...

corktina

I wouldnt make waves for a few bob like that.The Boss may remember it when promtion is on the cards.

Davidth88

Hi

Any company worth anything should have a travel expences policy

However a quick calculation

44 miles = 70 odd KM

The AA reckon that it basically costs 70c per KM for a 1.4 car

http://www.aaireland.ie/publicaffairs/infodesk/cost_of_motoring.aspx

The maths is simple

Matt Simis

corktina wrote: »

I wouldnt make waves for a few bob like that.The Boss may remember it when promtion is on the cards.

It annoys me that career advise is being given out in the manner, "shut up and get moved up. "

Perhaps Im in a far removed industry from you lot, but IMO you get places by sticking your neck out, earning respect and making your case in a cool, calculated manner. I worked with people 8years ago who were nice, quiet and "happy to have a job". They were still in the same job last year till they were made redundant, they couldnt get out (promoted up) as no one respected them.

This, "dont say anything/much" crap as there are "few jobs" out there is IMO, terrible advise. You paint yourself as a compliant tool, you boss (who doesnt drive... :rolleyes:) is clearly a tight moron, at the very least he should have said to you himself that he is not paying the receipts given in.

You either wont get far being meek or simply wont want to get far in such a work environment, so make your case with your facts, if they wont pay, so be it, but dont be jovial or shy about it.

corktina

no, what bosses are looking for is getting the job done and if you are part of that rather than using valuble company time arguing about a few cents (and posting it all over a public forum !) then you are part of the solution rather than being part of the problem.

Matt Simis

corktina wrote: »

no, what bosses are looking for is getting the job done and if you are part of that rather than using valuble company time arguing about a few cents (and posting it all over a public forum !) then you are part of the solution rather than being part of the problem.

"Yes men" is the type of employee you are looking for.
Him posting on a forum in his free time is none of your concern, or his companies (unnamed).