When someone dies in this country

How Soon Is Now

Something i have noticed about the Irish people mainly cause i am Irish ha is what we tend to come out with when someone dies.

I was never the type of person to be two faced and to change my point of view on something when its the popular thing to do. If i believe in something that's my choice i wont change just cause 100s of others do.

So really i have to laugh when a person dies the kinda crap you hear at his funeral or from people talking on the matter. Ohhh he was a great man he will be sorely missed a true gent bla bla bla .

Now this is fair enough if you taught these things when the person was alive but to be a two faced ****e and just cause someone dies you kiss their arse in hell/heaven thats just sad.

If you want a clear example of this look at the situation with Gerry Ryan right now. Yes he was a well respected and very famous person down through the years in Ireland. Yes he was one of a kind at his job and will probley never be replaced.

BUT the crap i am hearing from the bloody do gooders now makes me sick.
All you had to do was look at the Gerry Ryan show thread on here couple weeks ago full of posts about how big a fool he is how he talks ****e how he shouldn be allowed on air for the things he comes out with at that hour morning. The guy who booed in public at an event not that long ago im sorry but the whole country didnt love Gerry :rolleyes:

But wow look at this we now have 1000s of sheep flocking to pay there respects to some man who they didnt bloody well know or give two ****es about when he was just auld ''Alive and well'' Gerry.

Fair enough if you actually liked him that much when he was alive and you listened to his show every morning grand fair play.

But the crap im seeing all over the papers the internet tv so on really its just Micheal Jackson all over again Irish style :rolleyes: .

And if you reply to this thread with ohh respect the man think bout his family then this simple statement will answer your question.

I have respect for what he did on radio and tv i have respect for his style and how he went about his job but thats all i never knew him he was just another celeb to me i am not gonna cry break down and give up my life just cause Gerry Ryan died so live with it ffs.

Biggins

* sigh *

I despair...

thetonynator

''ooh respect the man think about his family''

someone had to say it!!!

Sanjuro

Grammar and syntax fail.

Sincerely, the Grammar Police.

How Soon Is Now

thetonynator wrote: »

''ooh respect the man think about his family''

someone had to say it!!!

You wont be the only one

Zombienosh

[replies to same old thread with same old reply]

[eats face]

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Sanjuro wrote: »

Grammar and syntax fail.

Sincerely, the Grammar Police.

*Trys to think of a reply that wont get him banned*
Nah nothing

Biggins

...on a more cheerful note - boy falls from window and gets saved by his ears: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100506/tod-six-year-old-s-ears-save-him-from-de-870a197.html
But Roscommon isn't looking too good for food safety! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100506/tuk-four-closure-orders-for-food-firms-e1cd776.html

landsleaving

Is it last week again?

Wake me when it's Summer or Christmas or something.

Dennis the Stone

Mostly media hype.

Lux23

If Sean Fitzpatrick died I doubt people would be wringing their hands over it. It depends on the person and although people may have found Gerry Ryan annonying I doubt they really hated him, he was more a loveable rogue type than hate figure.

Sanjuro

Biggins wrote: »

...on a more cheerful note - boy falls from window and gets saved by his ears: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100506/tod-six-year-old-s-ears-save-him-from-de-870a197.html
But Roscommon isn't looking too good for food safety! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100506/tuk-four-closure-orders-for-food-firms-e1cd776.html

Ears lookin' at you, kid.

Wazdakka

TL;DR

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I have respect for what he did on radio and tv i have respect for his style and how he went about his job but thats all i never knew him he was just another celeb to me i am not gonna cry break down and give up my life just cause Gerry Ryan died so live with it ffs.

Well then why did you go to all the effort of making a thread??
If GR has very little impact on your life then ignore all the hype and media surrounding him at the moment and just don't talk about him with your... friends!??

It's not that hard to not be mad at something...

Look, here I go........................
See?

Now if your point wasn't a stab at the way Gerry Ryan's funeral is being handled but more a general thing on Irish funerals then you picked a crappy example.
Now most people are going to lump in with the gobshítés who are looking for an excuse to insult a dead man.

Here's some advice..
Open a window, calm down, go outside and find something productive to focus your energy on...
Because right now it's being wasted.

biko

Sanjuro wrote: »

Grammar and syntax fail.

Sincerely, the Grammar Police.

Read the chartur aboot grammar nazis, thank yoo.

2manyconditions

So whats your point? Irish people are hypocrites?

Yes Irish people are hypocrites, everybody in the world is a hypocrite so now you need to accept this and move on.

How Soon Is Now

Lux23 wrote: »

If Sean Fitzpatrick died I doubt people would be wringing their hands over it. It depends on the person and although people may have found Gerry Ryan annonying I doubt they really hated him, he was more a loveable rogue type than hate figure.

I could find you alot of people i know who taught he was some prick on the radio and who had no time for him at all.

Anyway my point was that in this country when someone dies we feel we have to praise them.

nervous_twitch

It's not just in this country. It's everywhere. And it's normal.

Jesus. Someone is dead. Leave them alone.

biko

Not just this country, any country.

Beaten by Twitch.

Biggins

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I could find you alot of people i know who taught he was some prick on the radio and who had no time for him at all.

Anyway my point was that in this country when someone dies we feel we have to praise them.

If Cowen died tomorrow (and I am NOT calling for his death) I sure as hell won't be praising him - so that argument don't wash as they say.

stovelid

RIP.

Who died, by the way?

Zombienosh

stovelid wrote: »

RIP.

Who died, by the way?

Michael Jackson apparently

petes

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Anyway my point was that in this country when someone dies we feel we have to praise them.

No we don't. It's called respect. Someone died. The person was in the public eye and a lot of people liked him. He was a TV and radio presenter so of course it is going to be all over the media.

Jay D

Having been a fan, listened and eventually getting to see some of the funeral, I was moved by it all.

I can't remember who gave the mid speech after the gospel but that was one very well thought out and written speech, not to mention very well read as well.

I can't see how anyone there would have had such a two faced view about things. Maybe there was one or two, give it that. The outpouring of grief was from a catalogue of fans etc. Get over it.

Jade Goodie died. You didn't hear me giving it socks about how she was this or that, although she did have a hard life, still an irritating individual.

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Insurgent wrote: »

No we don't. It's called respect. Someone died. The person was in the public eye and a lot of people liked him. He was a TV and radio presenter so of course it is going to be all over the media.

Jesus i shouldn of mentioned king bleeding Gerry
I was using him as an example and i said Ireland cause ffs im from Ireland im here all me life so im bound to use here as the base for my point.

Anyway back to good auld Gerry right now its cool thing to do to say nice things bout him cause hes dead and sure most people seem to wait till someone dies before they give them any thanks.

Biggins

OP, you seem not to be able to differentiate between having a grudging respect for someone you might not favour but respect for the position they held and some good they did - against someone else that is just a right down right villain (like Bin Laden but he's still alive. See: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Osama-Bin-Laden-Alive-And-Well-And-Living-In-Iran-Says-Leading-Falconer-Alan-Parrot/Article/201005115625777?lpos=World_News_News_Your_Way_Region_2&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15625777_Osama_Bin_Laden_Alive_And_Well_And_Living_In_Iran%2C_Says_Leading_Falconer%2C_Alan_Parrot)

starbelgrade

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I could find you alot of people i know who taught he was some prick on the radio and who had no time for him at all.

Anyway my point was that in this country when someone dies we feel we have to praise them.

A lot of people didn't have any time for him, me included. Having said that, those who did, have a right to express their grief, or sense of loss at his passing. It is one of the most normal reactions in the human psyche.

I agree that the media & public reaction to celebrity deaths can be a tad over-the-top, and while I would be the first to think it, but I wouldn't want to be the first idiot to stand up & shout about it.

Snakeblood

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I could find you alot of people i know who taught he was some prick on the radio and who had no time for him at all.

Anyway my point was that in this country when someone dies we feel we have to praise them.

When someone dies we tend to keep our mouths shut, if they aren't total ****.

Like, Gerry Ryan was an annoying DJ to me, personally, but it's not like he punched me in the face or whatever, so I'm not sure I'd start bitching about him. I don't see the point of picketing the funeral.

I gave Haughey far less time, and FitzPatrick, et al, will get a certain amount less understanding. But Ryan was only a bloody dj.

How Soon Is Now

starbelgrade wrote: »

A lot of people didn't have any time for him, me included. Having said that, those who did, have a right to express their grief, or sense of loss at his passing. It is one of the most normal reactions in the human psyche.

I agree that the media & public reaction to celebrity deaths can be a tad over-the-top, and while I would be the first to think it, but I wouldn't want to be the first idiot to stand up & shout about it.

So your not allowed say how u feel cause ''The group'' wont like it?
Im not talkin bout all his fans read my post in first place i said if u loved him that much and followed his career fair play.

I am on about people who just jump on the band wagon and decide because a person dies weather i liked him or even knew him i guess ill have to say aloud of crap about how wonderfull he was.

knird evol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1UA-MMdXEE

mojesius

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Jesus i shouldn of mentioned king bleeding Gerry
I was using him as an example and i said Ireland cause ffs im from Ireland im here all me life so im bound to use here as the base for my point.

Anyway back to good auld Gerry right now its cool thing to do to say nice things bout him cause hes dead and sure most people seem to wait till someone dies before they give them any thanks.

Sure maybe you're referring to yourself instead of most people. Maybe YOU'RE the problem.

speedboatchase

OP I think it depends on the respect people have for the person that dies. So for example I wouldn't be a huge fan of Eamonn Dunphy but I still respect him to an extent and whilst I wouldn't be inconsolable if he died, I would understand that it would affect a lot of people and I'd naturally understand that. This is the same for Gerry Ryan - I feel sorry for his family, I acknowledge his success in radio and the mark he left and for that reason it's a sad loss for the country and people's grief is understandable. If I don't respect the person that dies (Jade Goody, Katy French) then I am puzzled when they are called "The People's Princess" or "Ireland's Princess Diana" and feel the media coverage is over the top and disingenous. But I don't think that applies to Gerry Ryan's death

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speedboatchase wrote: »

OP I think it depends on the respect people have for the person that dies. So for example I wouldn't be a huge fan of Eamonn Dunphy but I still respect him to an extent and whilst I wouldn't be inconsolable if he died, I would understand that it would affect a lot of people and I'd naturally understand that. This is the same for Gerry Ryan - I feel sorry for his family, I acknowledge his success in radio and the mark he left and for that reason it's a sad loss for the country and people's grief is understandable. If I don't respect the person that dies (Jade Goody, Katy French) then I am puzzled when they are called "The People's Princess" or "Ireland's Princess Diana" and feel the media coverage is over the top and disingenous. But I don't think that applies to Gerry Ryan's death

What did i say in my first post???
I said i respected him for his career and thats all cause i knew nothing else bout him for all i know the stuff people say could be all made up.

So what is the difference with Gerry Ryan and anyone else who dies there all human they all had followers in one way or another.

My point and i keep sayin this was that apart from alot of people paying respect cause they had plenty of reason to theres also a ton people who are just doing it for the sake it. They could not of cared less about him when he was alive so why now do they have to play the mourners?

Des Carter

Why are you saying its just the Irish I mean it also happens elsewhere look at Michael Jackson for instance- everyone was calling him a child molesting freak-show then he dies and Oh he was so brilliant this kind of hypocracy happens everywhere

As for Gerry Ryan I disliked him (as he appeared on radio and TV as I didnt know him personally) but at the same time I wouldnt have wished anything bad on him especially death and Im sorry to hear he died but no more than anyone else.

problemchimp

angerfist2009 wrote: »

What did i say in my first post???
I said i respected him for his career and thats all cause i knew nothing else bout him for all i know the stuff people say could be all made up.

So what is the difference with Gerry Ryan and anyone else who dies there all human they all had followers in one way or another.

My point and i keep sayin this was that apart from alot of people paying respect cause they had plenty of reason to theres also a ton people who are just doing it for the sake it. They could not of cared less about him when he was alive so why now do they have to play the mourners?

who are the people jumping on the bandwagon that you speak of ? examples please.

Biggins

angerfist2009 wrote: »

So your not allowed say how u feel cause ''The group'' wont like it?
Im not talkin bout all his fans read my post in first place i said if u loved him that much and followed his career fair play.

I am on about people who just jump on the band wagon and decide because a person dies weather i liked him or even knew him i guess ill have to say aloud of crap about how wonderfull he was.

Of course your allowed say you were not a fan perhaps or liked his material but there is a time and a place for saying so. That usually stems from having a bit of kop-on and decency. Time and place for everything I feel.

One can have respect for a person, their family and children, etc without swearing undying love or hatred.

Its the ones that rush to get the boot in first on hearing of a death that I dislike the most, personally.

Bonito

biko wrote: »

Read the chartur aboot grammar nazis, thank yoo.

Serious panda isn't being serious.

Noopti

Does people changing their own opinions on someone after they die really affect you that much?

starbelgrade

When someone dies, in this country, or any country, people who knew the person will mourn. People who didn't know them so well will feel some sadness. Others, who didn't know them at all will show respect (a percentage of people who attend funerals are there to support a friend or partner). Even if the person was not liked at all, people will show some decorum & respect.

If you don't understand that OP, you don't have very much experience of death or funerals. For that, you are lucky, but when you do gain this experience, you may be imparted with a bit more wisdom on the subject.

Zombienosh

so what you saying is...

When someone dies in this country... there will be threads talking about why people keep making threads about making threads about making threads about the person?

tfitzgerald

the best comment i heard at a funeral was "he was a prick but he was our prick so say nice things about him" and everyone did even thou he really was a prick:)

Dudess

Young black kid murdered in Dublin 15 - "Media coverage OTT and preferential because he was black"

Celeb death - "OTT media coverage justified because they were well known"

Pace2008

People should be free to express their condolences, two-faced and self-indulgent or not, but what got to me was the backseat mods/moral police patrolling the GR threads and telling off (most apt term given their shrewish tone) anyone who dared to suggest the deceased was anything less than an angel who’d been called back to heaven by God. "You should be ashamed of yourself" is a sentence that should neither be spoken nor typed by anyone under the age of 65 yet I lost count of how many times it cropped up in the days surrounding Gerry Ryan’s death.

Dudess

Or "Have thum rethpect! :mad:"

Blobby George

Pace2008 wrote: »

People should be free to express their condolences, two-faced and self-indulgent or not, but what got to me was the backseat mods/moral police patrolling the GR threads and telling off (most apt term given their shrewish tone) anyone who dared to suggest the deceased was anything less than an angel who’d called back to heaven by God. "You should be ashamed of yourself" is a sentence that should neither be spoken nor typed by anyone under the age of 65 yet I lost count of how many times it cropped up in the days surrounding Gerry Ryan’s death.

Moral guardians the lot of 'em.