Mayweather-Pacquiao agree terms,Arum flys to Manilla to meet Manny.Fight set for Oct

richierichballs

Trainer Freddie Roach is saying that the mega fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao is currently being put together and will likely take place in October or November of this year. In an interview at 790thezone, Roach said that the they will be meeting Mayweather half way for the Olympic style blood tests that he wants. Previously, Mayweather wanted the blood tests to go up until 14 days before the fight. Pacquiao wanted the tests to go until 24 days.

However, Roach says that they’ll be meeting Mayweather half way at 17 or 18 days. Roach says “Yes, it [the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight] is going to happen. I just talked to [Top Rank promoter] Bob Arum yesterday, and Arum is flying to the Philippines today to make Manny the offer…We’re going to meet in the middle. They wanted 14. We offered 24. Yeah, it’s going to be 17 or 18.” This is great news, because a lot of boxing fans were beginning to think the fight wouldn’t happen, as there a lot of talk about Pacquiao still wanting the testing to stop at 24. It’s good to know that they’ll meet Mayweather half way on the blood testing.

Roach was somewhat impressed with Mayweather’s performance the other night, saying “He can’t punch. Speed factor. He’s a little slower. You saw the other night that his legs aren’t there anymore. H can’t change his style because he can’t move like he used to. That why he’s more flat footed, and that’s why Shane [Mosley] did hit him in the first two rounds. But Shane got old overnight, but that happens. Mayweather is pretty much managed by Richard Schaefer [of Golden Boy Promotions], and he’s negotiating for him with Golden Boy.”

Roach is correct about Mayweather’s lack of movement against Mosley. However, that seemed to be more by design than because he couldn’t move. Mayweather appeared to be want to punch with Mosley and really didn’t need to use his legs much because he was so effective at leaning away from Mosley’s punches when he would throw a rare shot. Mayweather was quick to counter Mosley every time he would try to throw a punch. This had the effect of making Mosley gun shy.

Roach says the fight will be taking place in Vegas, saying “I would love to go to Dallas to sell that place out, but Mayweather has a big issue. His home is Vegas, and he sees it as a Vegas fight. We have no problem with that. It will be the biggest fight of all time. There talking about it taking place in October or November, definitely by the end of the year. This is a big challenge cause with Mayweather, I have to come up with the perfect game plan. This is a big challenge to get this win. Mayweather is very good at what he does. He got caught a couple of times early in that fight [Mosley bout], but if Pacquiao gets him hurt, he will finish him. He doesn’t have movement like he used to. He’s a lot more flat footed – the weight and the age. The style he fought the other night is very good for the fans, because he didn’t run and he did come to fight. It’s unfortunate that Mosley didn’t have more in the tank, but Pacquiao will. We will knock him [Mayweather] out.”

May 4th, 2010
By Eric Thomas

mr.mayo

Thank God! This is the fight the world wants to see, now we'll finally get to see who is the real #1 Pound For Pound Fighter. I'm going for Mayweather, after watching him on Saturday I honestly can't see anyone beating him, he is the single most talented fighter I have ever seen. He is so well rounded, his defence is sublime, his movement and footwork is out of this world, as is his hand speed, his reflexes are also top notch. Obviously Manny is a great fighter too but I just can't see him beating Floyd. Floyd has everything Manny has and more, Manny is made for him, he'll just keep coming and coming, this plays right into Mayweather's hands and allows him hit those trademark counter punches. I just think he's too slick for Manny, I'm going for another Unanimous Decision to Mayweather

strobe

and it all begins again...........................

I'll believe it when they square up to each other at weigh in.

Vintagekits

strobe wrote: »

and it all begins again...........................

I'll believe it when they square up at weigh in.

ditto - I have time booked off work and a room at the MGM Grand last time they were supposed to fight!

seadnamac

strobe wrote: »

and it all begins again...........................

I'll believe it when they square up to each other at weigh in.

Ditto. I expect a few more false dawns before it's a reality.

walshb

I won't be holding my breath. I really hope it does come off, and comes off in Oct or Nov.

Very hard fight to call. I would lean towards Pacquiao, but Floyd is so tricky and adaptable and skilled that it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Floyd schooling him.

eagle eye

I just wonder what the Mayweather haters will come up with when he destroys Manny and he will destroy him, it won't go the distance.

Spazdarn

eagle eye wrote: »

I just wonder what the Mayweather haters will come up with when he destroys Manny and he will destroy him, it won't go the distance.

I dunno, Floyd has the edge, but he's never come across anyone who throws as much as Manny... Manny is fast and relatively accurate as well... I see Manny throwing a lot but getting countered a lot too, it all depends on how Floyd handles the pressure

consultech

I'd be decidedly moist if they put this together. I'll go one better than strobe though - I'm only gettin excited about this when I see Roach wrappin Manny's hands at 3.30am on some magical Sunday mornin.

My heart overwhelmingly says Pacquiao, but after Saturday (not just Sat tbh) my head says Floyd. The only thing is that if Manny can catch Floyd the way Shane did in Rd 2, he'll have the tank to finish the job. Mosley's own legs went when he buzzed Mayweather, that's all it was. Exertion and adrenaline dump.

I am also not concerned about what Mayweather could potentially do to Manny in the way of offence. Clottey hit Manny with some strong shots and he kept coming.

consultech

eagle eye wrote: »

I just wonder what the Mayweather haters will come up with when he destroys Manny and he will destroy him, it won't go the distance.

I (and most other fans who are on his case) will have no problems giving Mayweather his props if he dispatches Manny.

JokerD

Vintagekits wrote: »

ditto - I have time booked off work and a room at the MGM Grand last time they were supposed to fight!

Unless you've got connections I presume getting tickets for this would be nearly impossible. Am I right?

richierichballs

ToiletFusion wrote: »

I dunno, Floyd has the edge, but he's never come across anyone who throws as much as Manny... Manny is fast and relatively accurate as well... I see Manny throwing a lot but getting countered a lot too, it all depends on how Floyd handles the pressure

Look at stats it is proven that nealry every fighter that gets in the ring by third or fourth round the punch output drops to nearly half,
People say Floyd would lose to a big puncher?
BS!
Mosley was a big puncher and he stopped throwing after the third round,
Everytime he threw something he got caught.......
Manny is a great fighter but Floyd is gonna make him look stupid,
The only way Manny can win this is, is to KO Mayweather cause there is not a hope in hell he is gonna outbox him

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

I won't be holding my breath. I really hope it does come off, and comes off in Oct or Nov.

Very hard fight to call. I would lean towards Pacquiao, but Floyd is so tricky and adaptable and skilled that it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Floyd schooling him.

How many years are you watching boxing?
And Manny Pacquiao for that matter?

strobe

Hard fight to call obviously. The only ones that come off looking like idiots are the ones that say Manny has no chance when it is very very possible he could KO Floyd, and badly at that, or that say Floyd has no chance when as we all know he could potentially stick and move and counter for the whole fight and coast to a decent point victory. So my two cents? Stop saying the fight is a cert one way or the other and you'll stop looking like an ill informed fanboy jackass.

seadnamac

strobe wrote: »

Hard fight to call obviously. The only ones that come off looking like idiots are the ones that say Manny has no chance when it is very very possible he could KO Floyd, and badly at that, or that say Floyd has no chance when as we all know he could potentially stick and move and counter for the whole fight and coast to a decent point victory. So my two cents? Stop saying the fight is a cert one way or the other and you'll stop looking like an ill informed fanboy jackass.

Hear, hear.

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

How many years are you watching boxing?
And Manny Pacquiao for that matter?

You think it's absurd to think that Pacman has a chance?
I am far from alone in thinking Manny has a very good
chance to beat Floyd.

Hey, I think it's a very hard fight to call, but to dismiss Manny
is a little silly IMO.

Just imagine what Manny would have done to that Mosley from
Saturday night. He would have ate him alive with speed, power and volume.

BTW, you seem a hell of a lot more confident than Floyd. Floyd is bringing in HIS own testing rules for Manny, so it is obvious Floyd sees the man as a big obstacle.

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

You think it's absurd to think that Pacman has a chance?
I am far from alone in thinking Manny has a very good
chance to beat Floyd.

Hey, I think it's a very hard fight to call, but to dismiss Manny
is a little silly IMO.

Just imagine what Manny would have done to that Mosley from
Saturday night. He would have ate him alive with speed, power and volume.

BTW, you seem a hell of a lot more confident than Floyd. Floyd is bringing in HIS own testing rules for Manny, so it is obvious Floyd sees the man
as a big obstacle.

or he wants a level playing field:p
as to the outcome of the fight, I think Pacman's best chance is early on, if he is able to do what Mosley wasn't able to do when he had Floyd stunned. If the fight goes beyond two or three rounds i see Mayweather figuring out Pacman and counter punching his way to victory. Floyd is very hard to hit as we all know, but if anyone can cause him problems early on it's Pacman with his hard punches from strangle angles.
The problem for pacman is that given his hand speed and footwork he's still easy enough to hit and when in against a guy as accurate as Floyd he's going to get punished.
While he will have far more stamina than Mosley that will start to disappear if he's eating numerous body shots.
so the way i see it going is Pacman by early ko or a Mayweather points victory.

walshb

But, Manny is also a very adaptable and clever fighter.

Lets be honest, the shots Clottey and Cotto landed were as much from
Manny goading and inviting as opposed to poor defence.

At times he allowed both to open up and shoot.

Floyd will have to be prepared to be throwing more shots and working
his brain at a higher pace than ever before. Floyd's work rate vs. Mosley
wasn't anything special; it may have looked special due to Mosley doing
nothing for most of the rds. The punch stats are in line with previous Floyd bouts.

Manny also brings such speed and angles to the table. A very good chin and very good
stamina. He has a lot going for him here, as does Floyd.

megadodge

One or two strange comments so far, but that's only to be expected.

They are both great boxers, with different styles, but Floyd is bigger and physically stronger. There's not a whole lot in it speed-wise, Floyd is more skilful and has a better defence, Manny is the busier and bigger puncher. Both have good chins and great stamina. Floyd is remarkably intelligent in the ring and can adapt to virtually any situation, but Manny has a brilliant tactical coach in Roach.

With so many things seemingly cancelling themselves out I just go with the straightforward but very true old maxim - A good big 'un will always beat a good little 'un.

This is not really a match about 'pound for pound' as Manny is much the smaller man. If there was a magic machine that could make them both the exact same size while retaining their relative strengths and weaknesses, I would find it almost impossible to call, but as it stands the bigger Mayweather will weather the early onslaught, adapt and pick Pacquiaou off for a clearcut points win.

However, I've never wanted to be wrong so badly !!

cowzerp

Duran V Leonard of this decade-only Mayweather wont try to fight the fighter so i see it as the 2nd fight between them..

2 really great fighters so it will be great to see..

Lets get it on

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Duran V Leonard of this decade-only Mayweather wont try to fight the fighter so i see it as the 2nd fight between them..

2 really great fighters so it will be great to see..

Lets get it on

Lets hope Manny puts in a hell of a lot more than a completely uninterested Duran from New Orleans

BTW, I see Floyd fighting Manny in the pocket IF need be. Floyd's most deceptive weapon
is his inside strength and fighting

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

I am far from alone in thinking Manny has a very good
chance to beat Floyd.

Hey, I think it's a very hard fight to call, but to dismiss Manny
is a little silly IMO.

I'm not dismissing Manny but a fight with Mayweather is a stylistic nightmare,
He doesn't deal well with counter punchers?
Mannys career has been carefully laided out...
Freddie is the master match maker, Bob Arum is a dodgy as the come!
Wonder if you remember the gift draw Manny was given against Sanchez many years ago,
2 weeks later Bob Arum was investigated for fight fixing....

Tell me one thing?
Who was the last counterpuncher Manny came up against?
I'll tell you, It was Juan Manuel Marquez,
Who in my eyes beat Manny in both them fights,
One was extremely close but the other he won by a country mile.
He knocked Marquez down what 3-4 times in the first round,
And Marquez still came back to get a draw....
I scored he won.
Imagine what a fighter like Floyd, Quicker, Slicker, Better defense, Sharper and more accurate would do to Manny....
Name another counter puncher Manny fought apart from Marquez?
You won't be able to, but he struggles with them.....
Joshua Clottey isn't a counterpuncher but didn't he land pretty much every straight right hand he through at Manny?
Imagine what a right hand dominate fighter like Mayweather would do....
Match Floyds upper body movement (which manny has never come against) with all that and its a stylistic nightmare for Pacquiao

walshb wrote: »

Just imagine what Manny would have done to that Mosley from
Saturday night. He would have ate him alive with speed, power and volume.

Yeah Pac would of probably KO'd Mosley the other night,
Mosleys legs are gone. Manny would of boxed circles around him.....
But Freddie wouldn't put Manny in the ring with him?
Why?
High risk, low reward (words of Freddie Roach)
In this video Freddie Roach explains how Mosley came to the gym twice asking for a fight with Manny and he told Mosley he was too good and to big a threat.......
More padding of Mannys career...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBWNOyrHKKo

walshb wrote: »

BTW, you seem a hell of a lot more confident than Floyd. Floyd is bringing in HIS own testing rules for Manny, so it is obvious Floyd sees the man as a big obstacle.

How about the obstacle of Manny wanting 10Million penalty for every pound Floyd came in overweight?
How about the fact they said they would agree to the testing aslong as it wasnt on the day of the fight.
Mayweather agreed.
Then they said they needed a week cut off before the fight,
Mayweather agreed.
But look at this?
Manny giving blood within a week of the fight with Hatton..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq4qLX0h9Zk
They then said they wanted 14days,
Mayweather agreed.
They then said they would go by his rules and would only go the commissions,
Mayweather offered 24days and they still said no,
But hey look here is Manny giving blood 20days before the Clottey fight,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OWMeGVPHQ

The truth of it is they don't want Manny fighting Mayweather.
Evander Holyfield had no problem taking tests when Tyson asked,
Who wouldn't take a 40million dollar test?

People lie, Facts dont.
And they are facts in which I have just listed....

walshb

Well, Manny is no longer a 126 lb fighter who was that bit reckless.

Manny IMO is a far better all around machine now than when he
was at 126-130-135.

JMM didn't beat Manny; he made it competitive, but never beat Manny, and if they
met now Manny would KILL him.

BTW, you really are letting yourself in for a fall should
they fight and Floyd loses. I am not close to being
overly confident for either man; to me it's almost a toss up.

You seem obsessed with dissing Pacquiao? This is strange!

moneyman

richierichballs wrote: »

I'm not dismissing Manny but a fight with Mayweather is a stylistic nightmare,
He doesn't deal well with counter punchers?
Mannys career has been carefully laided out...
Freddie is the master match maker, Bob Arum is a dodgy as the come!
Wonder if you remember the gift draw Manny was given against Sanchez many years ago,
2 weeks later Bob Arum was investigated for fight fixing....

Tell me one thing?
Who was the last counterpuncher Manny came up against?
I'll tell you, It was Juan Manuel Marquez,
Who in my eyes beat Manny in both them fights,
One was extremely close but the other he won by a country mile.
He knocked Marquez down what 3-4 times in the first round,
And Marquez still came back to get a draw....
I scored he won.
Imagine what a fighter like Floyd, Quicker, Slicker, Better defense, Sharper and more accurate would do to Manny....
Name another counter puncher Manny fought apart from Marquez?
You won't be able to, but he struggles with them.....
Joshua Clottey isn't a counterpuncher but didn't he land pretty much every straight right hand he through at Manny?
Imagine what a right hand dominate fighter like Mayweather would do....
Match Floyds upper body movement (which manny has never come against) with all that and its a stylistic nightmare for Pacquiao




Yeah Pac would of probably KO'd Mosley the other night,
Mosleys legs are gone. Manny would of boxed circles around him.....
But Freddie wouldn't put Manny in the ring with him?
Why?
High risk, low reward (words of Freddie Roach)
In this video Freddie Roach explains how Mosley came to the gym twice asking for a fight with Manny and he told Mosley he was too good and to big a threat.......
More padding of Mannys career...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBWNOyrHKKo



How about the obstacle of Manny wanting 10Million penalty for every pound Floyd came in overweight?
How about the fact they said they would agree to the testing aslong as it wasnt on the day of the fight.
Mayweather agreed.
Then they said they needed a week cut off before the fight,
Mayweather agreed.
But look at this?
Manny giving blood within a week of the fight with Hatton..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq4qLX0h9Zk
They then said they wanted 14days,
Mayweather agreed.
They then said they would go by his rules and would only go the commissions,
Mayweather offered 24days and they still said no,
But hey look here is Manny giving blood 20days before the Clottey fight,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OWMeGVPHQ

The truth of it is they don't want Manny fighting Mayweather.
Evander Holyfield had no problem taking tests when Tyson asked,
Who wouldn't take a 40million dollar test?

People lie, Facts dont.
And they are facts in which I have just listed....

I don't know why you are arguing so hard for Floyd. If he is better than Manny he will beat him. Simple as. No need to put down Manny who is also a great fighter. But for the sake of argument...

You saying that Manny has a padded career is a bit of a joke considering you're a Mayweater fan. Fantastic fighter that he is, he shouldn't have had alot of those fights. There is a reason Floyd has gotten alot of "hate" over the past while in particular, and it's not because of his trash talking. He's ducked the best opponents, which is a shame because he's good enough to beat them. But he is scared of losing that 0. There is no way you can be a Mayweather fan and then cry about Manny cherry-picking his fights. It's just, well... retarded.


You're right that if Floyd wins, it will most likely be due to his right. Manny is very vulnerable to that shot. It's made even worse by the fact that he's so attacking. Let's see if he can fix it for the Mayweather bout. Having said that, and you can dispute this all you want but you'd be wrong, Mayweather has never come up against someone as good as Pacquiao. Manny is a different beast at 147 than he was when he fought Marquez, compare them all you want but you are only kidding yourself if you think Manny would have any trouble dispatching Marquez now in a few rounds at 147.


Your argument that Manny hasn't faced an opponent as skilled, quick etc as Mayweather isn't really an argument because no one is going to dispute that. Floyd is an amazing boxer. He could very well win this fight and is probably favourite in the eyes of many. But that doesn't mean this fight is a foregone conclusion. You are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing to Mayweather - "hating" (which is a ridiculously childish and cringeworthy term). You're so determined to prove that Floyd is better that you're making yourself sound deluded by stepping on Manny. You don't have to put one down to think the other is better. People aren't taking you seriously when you come out with outlandish statements about Pacquiao that simply aren't true (eg padding of his career - especially when you're such an avid Mayweather fan).

Moving on. Re weight penalty. Perfectly fine. Mayweather was a coward in the Marquez fight. Coming in overweight when the mismatch was already heavily in his favour. What a joke. I lost alot of respect for Mayweather after that, as I'm sure alot of unbiased boxing fans did. If you come in over the agreed weight in an attempt to gain an advantage, you deserve to pay the price.

Next. Pacman did not give blood the week leading up to the Hatton fight. Either you know this and are purposely ignoring it (as it's been widely reported in this drug test saga), or else you're simply choosing to see what you want. Wouldn't be surprised either way. That was filmed twenty-something days before the actualy fight (24 if my memory serves).

Next. Manny never wanted 14 days. That was always Floyd. If that was the case, why would Manny want to make the fight now with a 17/18 day cut-off? Pacquiao wanted 24 day cut-off. Think before you make stuff up. There's so many holes in this argument that it could be mistaken for a sponge.

I'm not saying Manny is right (or that he's wrong), merely pointing out the [many] flaws in your "argument". I don't think I've seen any post from you in which you don't either take a dig at Roach or Manny, or praise Mayweather. It's a little sad. Stop being so biased. You're missing out on the career of an all-time great just because you like Floyd better. There is no rule saying you can't appreciate both fighters.

BTW, I'm taking Manny if this happens. Too busy, too quick for Floyd to avoid as consistently as usual, and his stamina, relentlessness and power make him slight favourite for me. He won't throw in the towel after 3 rounds like Mosley did.

seadnamac

richierichballs wrote: »

In this video Freddie Roach explains how Mosley came to the gym twice asking for a fight with Manny and he told Mosley he was too good and to big a threat.......
More padding of Mannys career...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBWNOyrHKKo

Actually Roach clearly states that he asked Shane to come down to 142 or 143 for the fight, which Shane said he wouldn't do. He then says that if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen, Mosley "would be next". That's not exactly avoiding him completely now is it?

And as for this being an example of "padding" of his career? Yea sure, instead he just fought the guy that beat Mosley in his last fight at the time....

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Mayweather's intelligence should win him the fight, imo. But Pac could blow him away if he gets him into a corneer.

richierichballs

moneyman wrote: »

You saying that Manny has a padded career is a bit of a joke considering you're a Mayweater fan. Fantastic fighter that he is, he shouldn't have had alot of those fights. There is a reason Floyd has gotten alot of "hate" over the past while in particular, and it's not because of his trash talking. He's ducked the best opponents, which is a shame because he's good enough to beat them. But he is scared of losing that 0. There is no way you can be a Mayweather fan and then cry about Manny cherry-picking his fights. It's just, well... retarded.

I'm sorry but out of that whole post this caught my eye the most,
Who exactly has Floyd ducked? Name some fighters please, I am aware of people believe this myth, but tell me who he ducked......

richierichballs

seadnamac wrote: »

Actually Roach clearly states that he asked Shane to come down to 142 or 143 for the fight, which Shane said he wouldn't do. He then says that if the Mayweather fight doesn't happen, Mosley "would be next". That's not exactly avoiding him completely now is it?

And as for this being an example of "padding" of his career? Yea sure, instead he just fought the guy that beat Mosley in his last fight at the time....

If you listened to the whole thing you would hear that Freddie said to Shane "Can you make 142 or 143," Shane replied, "No,"
And Roach told him that they had no fight,
Shane replied, "But you fought Oscar at 147," and Freddie said, "Your a better fighter then Oscar."

Freddie Roach was trying to weight drain Mosley just like he did Oscar.

moneyman

richierichballs wrote: »

I'm sorry but out of that whole post this caught my eye the most,
Who exactly has Floyd ducked? Name some fighters please, I am aware of people believe this myth, but tell me who he ducked......

Read the rest of my post, you might learn something. Do you honestly think Floyd has fought the best fighters he possibly could have? Or even close to the best? You're being plain stupid if you say yes. Maybe he hasn't specifically ducked one fighter (although you could argue he's tried to duck Pacquiao with this whole drug test fiasco), but he has padded his record with hand-picked opponents. Which is why it's ironic that you claim Manny has padded his record. :rolleyes:

seadnamac

richierichballs wrote: »

If you listened to the whole thing you would hear that Freddie said to Shane "Can you make 142 or 143," Shane replied, "No,"
And Roach told him that they had no fight,
Shane replied, "But you fought Oscar at 147," and Freddie said, "Your a better fighter then Oscar."

Freddie Roach was trying to weight drain Mosley just like he did Oscar.

If I had listened to the whole thing? That's exactly what I said.

It's pretty clear Roach was implying he didn't want Mosley at 147 AT THAT TIME. This would have been before Manny fought Cotto and is fair enough considering 18 months before that he was fighting at 130. He wanted to give his man some more time to get used to fighting at the weight. Big deal. They obviously came back down after the Oscar fight because they felt it neccessary for the same reason.

mrgardener

richierichballs wrote: »

I'm sorry but out of that whole post this caught my eye the most,
Who exactly has Floyd ducked? Name some fighters please, I am aware of people believe this myth, but tell me who he ducked......

Eh, I got one..Manny Pacquiao.

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

But, Manny is also a very adaptable and clever fighter.

Lets be honest, the shots Clottey and Cotto landed were as much from
Manny goading and inviting as opposed to poor defence.

At times he allowed both to open up and shoot.

Floyd will have to be prepared to be throwing more shots and working
his brain at a higher pace than ever before. Floyd's work rate vs. Mosley
wasn't anything special; it may have looked special due to Mosley doing
nothing for most of the rds. The punch stats are in line with previous Floyd bouts.

Manny also brings such speed and angles to the table. A very good chin and very good
stamina. He has a lot going for him here, as does Floyd.

Some of the punches Cotto landed were big shots. Now either Pacman had total confidence in his chin or he was just caught by good clean shots. If Cotto can do that, Mayweather certainly will do so consistently. i'll give you that against Mayweather he won't have to fear being knocked out. Instead what he'll have to contend with is the cumulative effect of punches landing with freakish accuracy on the counter. I also think Mayweather will be able to up his workrate for Pacman and he won't start off the fight as he didn't against Mosley. He's going to let Pacman come after him and be content to build up a sizeable lead through counter pointing.

Now one of Manny's advantages, over other Mayweather's opponents, is his great stamina but in all his other fights lately he wasn't facing someone with the ability to drain him by landing consistently to his ribcage. So no matter how quick he is, if Mayweather is doing damage to his body he's eventually going to start slowing down and his stamina will start to wane in the later rounds.

Manny's other adavantages are his power and freakish ability to land hard punches from weird angles, but if he doesn't manage to confuse and trouble Mayweather early, i see Manny gradually becoming increasingly frustrated as he eats counter punches and hits thin air instead of Mayweather's face.

richierichballs

moneyman wrote: »

Read the rest of my post, you might learn something. Do you honestly think Floyd has fought the best fighters he possibly could have? Or even close to the best? You're being plain stupid if you say yes. Maybe he hasn't specifically ducked one fighter (although you could argue he's tried to duck Pacquiao with this whole drug test fiasco), but he has padded his record with hand-picked opponents. Which is why it's ironic that you claim Manny has padded his record. :rolleyes:

Learn something? Your telling me to learn something and you can't name on a boxer Floyd has ****ed :rolleyes:
When did I say Floyd fought the best that he possibly could have?
He hasn't! Unforunately he cares more about his Bank account then his legacy,
Course he could have fought better oppenents but as somebody else said in another thread, Boxing is a business too......
But I still don't think he ducked anybody.....
He made fights that where worth more money,
People said that he was ducking Shane, but he fought him in the end cause the Pacquiao fight could not be made.
Why?
Because the most profitable fight out there for him apart from a fight with Manny....

Floyd ducked who?
Look at this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4
Calls out the following who he never met and show called 'ducked':
Prince Naseem Hamed
Casamayor
Paul Spadafora
Kostya Tzuyu
Stevie Johnson
Juan Lazcano
Shane Mosley
Manny Pacquiao

Now the myth that Floyd 'ducked' Margarito and Cotto is the most talked about one....

Arum said "while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million."

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Floyd ended up making 35 million from the De la Hoya in the end.

And this is a vid of Shane ducking Floyd Mayweather by making toothache excuses and i got to go on vacation excuses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhvYXKZK8

And here`s Arum what use to say about Floyd before Floyd left him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5F35PAOP_8

Think you need to learn something mate

seadnamac

nacho libre wrote: »

Some of the punches Cotto landed were big shots. Now either Pacman had total confidence in his chin or he was just caught by good clean shots. If Cotto can do that, Mayweather certainly will do so consistently. i'll give you that against Mayweather he won't have to fear being knocked out. Instead what he'll have to contend with is the cumulative effect of punches landing with freakish accuracy on the counter. I also think Mayweather will be able to up his workrate for Pacman and he won't start off the fight as he didn't against Mosley. He's going to let Pacman come after him and be content to build up a sizeable lead through counter pointing.

Now one of Manny's advantages, over other Mayweather's opponents, is his great stamina but in all his other fights lately he wasn't facing someone with the ability to drain him by landing consistently to his ribcage. So no matter how quick he is, if Mayweather is doing damage to his body he's eventually going to start slowing down and his stamina will start to wane in the later rounds.

Manny's other adavantages are his power and freakish ability to land hard punches from weird angles, but if he doesn't manage to confuse and trouble Mayweather early, i see Manny gradually becoming increasingly frustrated as he eats counter punches and hits thin air instead of Mayweather's face.

Would I be right in saying that Floyd has never been that much of a body-puncher though? I know in the Mosley fight he only landed 17 body shots out of a total of 208, and I'm struggling to think of any time he has really targeted the body in a fight....

richierichballs

mrgardener wrote: »

Eh, I got one..Manny Pacquiao.

People are getting it twisted,
I like Manny I respect him I find him extremely entertaining to watch,
I just don't think he can beat Floyd.
He got fighter of the decade and I believe he truly deserved it!
I'm not hating on Manny again I am just stating facts here,
And I think Floyd beats Manny easily unless Manny tags him clean in the first three....
Styles make fights Mayweather is a stylistic nightmare for Manny,
Just like Paul Williams is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd

Magill

richierichballs wrote: »

People are getting it twisted,
I like Manny I respect him I find him extremely entertaining to watch,
I just don't think he can beat Floyd.
He got fighter of the decade and I believe he truly deserved it!
I'm not hating on Manny again I am just stating facts here,
And I think Floyd beats Manny easily unless Manny tags him clean in the first three....
Styles make fights Mayweather is a stylistic nightmare for Manny,
Just like Paul Williams is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd

We get it !!! You think mayweather is gonna win, no need to type out a 10 walls of text because someone thinks manny has a chance ! JESUS.

walshb

Magill wrote: »

We get it !!! You think mayweather is gonna win, no need to type out a 10 walls of text because someone thinks manny has a chance ! JESUS.

Amen to that!

walshb

seadnamac wrote: »

Would I be right in saying that Floyd has never been that much of a body-puncher though? I know in the Mosley fight he only landed 17 body shots out of a total of 208, and I'm struggling to think of any time he has really targeted the body in a fight....

He mainly throws a rangy power jab to the body to set up other attacks and to keep his opponent guessing. His body punching is quite good when he puts his mind to it.

Mayweather's inside strength and ability to hold center ring when he wants is
a great advanatge. He is so known for skill, speed and elusiveness, that other traits like strength and inside fighting ability often are overlooked.

Also, he can hurt Pacman with his shots. When Floyd plants his feet he can dig a little

richierichballs

moneyman wrote: »

I
Your argument that Manny hasn't faced an opponent as skilled, quick etc as Mayweather isn't really an argument because no one is going to dispute that. Floyd is an amazing boxer. He could very well win this fight and is probably favourite in the eyes of many. But that doesn't mean this fight is a foregone conclusion. You are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing to Mayweather - "hating" (which is a ridiculously childish and cringeworthy term). You're so determined to prove that Floyd is better that you're making yourself sound deluded by stepping on Manny. You don't have to put one down to think the other is better. People aren't taking you seriously when you come out with outlandish statements about Pacquiao that simply aren't true (eg padding of his career - especially when you're such an avid Mayweather fan).

I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm voicing my opinion this forum right :rolleyes:
I'm intitled to my opinion just like you are......
I'm not getting into the Manny career debate I've voiced my opinions on here before about and not arsed going into it again.

moneyman wrote: »

Moving on. Re weight penalty. Perfectly fine. Mayweather was a coward in the Marquez fight. Coming in overweight when the mismatch was already heavily in his favour. What a joke. I lost alot of respect for Mayweather after that, as I'm sure alot of unbiased boxing fans did. If you come in over the agreed weight in an attempt to gain an advantage, you deserve to pay the price.

Coward? Didn't he still come in the welterweight limit?
Only thing Cowardly was that bull**** of making Oscar come down to 147 when he even struggled to make weight at 150 against Steve Forbes prior to his fight with Manny...
I won't go as far as name calling Manny, unlike you since Floyd is a "coward." :rolleyes:
And yes if you do comeover the weight limit you do deserve to be punished 10million? No!
Never heard of.....
Random drug tests? Yeah they been heard off...
e.g. again Mike Tyson asking Holyfield,
Evander knew he was clean and had no problem taking the tests

moneyman wrote: »

I'm not saying Manny is right (or that he's wrong), merely pointing out the [many] flaws in your "argument". I don't think I've seen any post from you in which you don't either take a dig at Roach or Manny, or praise Mayweather. It's a little sad. Stop being so biased. You're missing out on the career of an all-time great just because you like Floyd better. There is no rule saying you can't appreciate both fighters.

I'm not being biased I am stating facts,
I'm a Pacquiao fan when did I say I didn't appreciate him?
He is the fighter of the decade and rightly so, I just don't agree with certain parts of his record.
Just like you don't Floyds but you still admit Floyd is a good fighter just like I think the same of Manny...

moneyman wrote: »

BTW, I'm taking Manny if this happens. Too busy, too quick for Floyd to avoid as consistently as usual, and his stamina, relentlessness and power make him slight favourite for me. He won't throw in the towel after 3 rounds like Mosley did.

Like everyone else you are intitled to your opinion you have explained why you pick Manny, Just like I explained why I picked Floyd....

richierichballs

Magill wrote: »

We get it !!! You think mayweather is gonna win, no need to type out a 10 walls of text because someone thinks manny has a chance ! JESUS.

Sorry you don't the intellect to read a long post :rolleyes:

Benny Lava

Don't believe anything until you see a press conference.

The next couple of weeks will be tedious with many to-and-fro statements, hurdles and potential compromises. The last wait was pure torture!

If they do somehow manage to reach a deal, I expect Mayweather to win. Pacquiao will never stop throwing punches, and it will be quite a bit tighter than Mayweather/Mosley but ultimately Mayweather will prevail. He always seems to be able handle his opponent, and when he has a problem with them he adjusts by the time round 3 arrives. If Manny does manage to catch Mayweather cleanly as Mosley did in the second round, I don't see how he will finish him off. Mayweather will go into that trademark defensive shell and will make sure the only damage done will be to Manny's stamina as he tries to finish him off.

Mayweather via UD.

Magill

richierichballs wrote: »

Sorry you don't the intellect to read a long post :rolleyes:

eh ? I "Dont the intellect to read a long post" ?

LOL, failure.

stellarartois

Magill wrote: »

eh ? I "Dont the intellect to read a long post" ?

LOL, failure.

Just don't bother with this jackass, you can't discuss something like boxing with someone like that.

mrgardener

richierichballs wrote: »

Sorry you don't the intellect to read a long post :rolleyes:

Priceless!

consultech

richierichballs wrote: »

Sorry you don't the intellect to read a long post :rolleyes:

Sorry you don't the intellect to make grammatical sense...

richierichballs

Magill wrote: »

eh ? I "Dont the intellect to read a long post" ?

LOL, failure.

touche.

richierichballs

stellarartois wrote: »

Just don't bother with this jackass, you can't discuss something like boxing with someone like that.

Thats a fantastic input on the subject mate, All I'm doing in is stating facts,
Backing up what I am saying with evidence?
And I'm a jackass because of it? :rolleyes:
I'm not the only on here who writes long posts, they jackasses to?
Cop on

ROCKMAN

A very hard fight to call IMO, Two great fighters with very little between them .I'm leaning towards Mayweather only because of his ability to adapt to fighters and their fight tactics / plans , its only a slight edge, but in such a tight fights it could be the difference.

Ps Until they step into the ring ,I will have my doubts about the fight actually happening..............


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Spazdarn

mrgardener wrote: »

Eh, I got one..Manny Pacquiao.

Paul Williams

megadodge

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Paul Williams

Plus Kostya Tszyu, Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto.

He could have fought any of those when at the time they represented a huge threat and had no shadow over them.

richierichballs

megadodge wrote: »

Plus Kostya Tszyu, Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto.

He could have fought any of those when at the time they represented a huge threat and had no shadow over them.

POST#33 of this Thread

Learn something? Your telling me to learn something and you can't name on a boxer Floyd has ****ed
When did I say Floyd fought the best that he possibly could have?
He hasn't! Unforunately he cares more about his Bank account then his legacy,
Course he could have fought better oppenents but as somebody else said in another thread, Boxing is a business too......
But I still don't think he ducked anybody.....
He made fights that where worth more money,
People said that he was ducking Shane, but he fought him in the end cause the Pacquiao fight could not be made.
Why?
Because the most profitable fight out there for him apart from a fight with Manny....

Floyd ducked who?
Look at this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4
Calls out the following who he never met and show called 'ducked':
Prince Naseem Hamed
Casamayor
Paul Spadafora
Kostya Tzuyu
Stevie Johnson
Juan Lazcano
Shane Mosley
Manny Pacquiao

Now the myth that Floyd 'ducked' Margarito and Cotto is the most talked about one....

Arum said "while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million."

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Floyd ended up making 35 million from the De la Hoya in the end.

And this is a vid of Shane ducking Floyd Mayweather by making toothache excuses and i got to go on vacation excuses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPJhvYXKZK8

And here`s Arum what use to say about Floyd before Floyd left him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5F35PAOP_8