Stopped by security guards photographing on a public street

Thecageyone

Fajitas! wrote: »

And what was it you were calling yourself? The harmless 'tog? Sensationalism much?

I just forgot to use one of these ---> :rolleyes:

"LOL, Bingo"? ... so, you came into the thread just awaiting a slip up? Even though you've seen me say numerous times - not only is it a PUBLIC road, and the security guys were from the building OPPOSITE the one I was shooting, but they weren't exactly sweet as pie themselves, and they were lying through their teeth. But you're right, How very dare I say Bull**** in the presence of such importance.


I know I'm abrupt at times, especially when confronted in such a manner while my 2yr old daughter sleeps in her buggy. I'd just had a torrid time with her, then these goons come at me. Bad timing on their part perhaps, but I think honestly, and yes 'think' as nobody seems to have any facts in this thread, just opinionation, that they were bored and saw me as a soft target.

What do you not understand about 'by the end of it they were wishing me luck'? You just seem to talk a heap of BS yourself.

You are the one IMHO who has a terrible attitude for a photographer. In your opinion, it seems, I should have said "yessir, nosir, sorry missur" and ran off with my tail between my legs.

BS.

Fajitas!

Thecageyone wrote: »

I hope all your posts aren't as boring and self righteous man, lol. Not with that amount of them at least!

Go you and your security pals ...

So much for 'togs standing up for rights together.

They all are. Definitely.

Lol, standing up for my "fellow 'togs"? Not a hope. They'll all go make a show of themselves.

magicbastarder

here's one way of looking at it; if you are stopped by someone on a street which seems to form part of a private complex, and they tell you it's private property (and you are not sure if that is the case), the best course of action is to stop taking photos, rather than arguing from a position of ignorance.

go and inform yourself of the truth, and come back with the camera knowing that your defence is sound.

Thecageyone

magicbastarder wrote: »

here's one way of looking at it; if you are stopped by someone on a street which seems to form part of a private complex, and they tell you it's public property (and you are not sure if that is the case), the best course of action is to stop taking photos, rather than arguing from a position of ignorance.

go and inform yourself of the truth, and come back with the camera knowing that your defence is sound.

But the lighting was perfect right then

Let's twist it another way - What if one of them had been standing by the doorway smoking? And I approached them and told them to stop, because they were indoors and it's illegal ... even though they were obviously outside. And he said "Bull****" ...

Why do some of you think the security guard out-ranks, so to speak, the photographer? Both do what they do. I wasn't interfering with them, didn't even see them until they were up on me. And I wasn't in their place of work. Again ... 'pretty sure' they don't work the road.

Thecageyone

Fajitas! wrote: »

They all are. Definitely.

Lol, standing up for my "fellow 'togs"? Not a hope. They'll all go make a show of themselves.

I like to work alone anyhow, good job eh? :P

gman2k

Thecageyone wrote: »

I hope all your posts aren't as boring and self righteous man, lol. Not with that amount of them at least!

Go you and your security pals ...

So much for 'togs standing up for rights together.

Fairplay to you Thecageyone. there needs to be more people standing up for their rights (even if it's a grey area re public/private road).
I wish these hat wearing thicks would actually do the job they were meant to do, as opposed to hassling people who are obviously doing no harm.
PS, I know lots of people who work in security, and most of them just love being on the power trip of being able to tell people what to do. So when someone stands up to them, they honestly don't know what to do!

Fajitas!

Thecageyone wrote: »

I just forgot to use one of these ---> :rolleyes:

"LOL, Bingo"? ... so, you came into the thread just awaiting a slip up?

Yes. That's exactly what I've done. Now, should I use one of these ':pac:' or one of these ':rolleyes:'

Even though you've seen me say numerous times - not only is it a PUBLIC road, and the security guys were from the building OPPOSITE the one I was shooting, but they weren't exactly sweet as pie themselves, and they were lying through their teeth. But you're right, How very dare I say Bull**** in the presence of such importance.

Who cares if you were opposite the building, it could still be private property. The ten streets around it could well be private property. You're so sure of it, go prove it!

Lol, and where did I say it was in front of such 'importance' you dare say 'bull****'. It's bad manners regardless. End of story.

You are the one IMHO who has a terrible attitude for a photographer. In your opinion, it seems, I should have said "yessir, nosir, sorry missur" and ran off with my tail between my legs.

BS.

Lol, give reading the above a go - I already mentioned I would have informed myself of whether it was public property or not, and I'd have reacted accordingly, whether that meant stopping to take photographs, or informing the security guards. Either/or.

Yes, a terrible attitude that, informing myself.

magicbastarder

Thecageyone wrote: »

Why do some of you think the security guard out-ranks, so to speak, the photographer?

because you don't know if you are right when you insist it's public property. it's that simple.

sprinkles

To be perfectly honest it does sound as if you could/should have handled the situation with a bit more decorum. 3 security guards approach you and claim that the road is private property and request that you cease taking photographs. For 1 you didn't know if they were telling the truth or not. It's quite possible and indeed probable that the road was/is private property. Just because there is public access and it doesn't have gates/bollards does not mean that it's definitely a public road. The council has no right to demand the road to fall into the public domain and in some cases the property owner keeps control for various reasons although they must maintain the upkeep of the road/lighting etc.

In any case I agree with Fajitas, you did seem to act aggressively - more so than the 3 security guards (and this is even your account of the happenings!!).

I'm not the cliquey type either so your opinion is merely that to me Fatjia

Why post on here then if you don't want people's opinions? Are you merely looking for a pat on the back for having rudely answered a few security guards who were doing their jobs?

I don't need to have a certain manner about me.

No one needs to have a certain manner about them but you'll get a lot more respect in life if you do have them... they cost nothing after all.

So much for 'togs standing up for rights together.

No one is denying your rights or failing to stand up for them but the fact is you didn't know what rights, if any, you had in this case. You did not know for certain that you were on public property and when confronted you acted aggressively. That, imo, is what gives photographers a bad name and why there are more and more stories about photographers getting hassle.

Calina

Thecageyone wrote: »

I just forgot to use one of these ---> :rolleyes:


I know I'm abrupt at times, especially when confronted in such a manner while my 2yr old daughter sleeps in her buggy. I'd just had a torrid time with her, then these goons come at me. Bad timing on their part perhaps, but I think honestly, and yes 'think' as nobody seems to have any facts in this thread, just opinionation, that they were bored and saw me as a soft target.

Amongst those lacking in facts and using a lot of opinion is you.

From where I am sitting - which is weary of people making excuses for being "abrupt" - your attitude leaves something to be desired on this thread.

Please temper it.

gingerGiant

Navan shopping center own the building Marks and Spencer are in they also own the road between the two buildings so if you were standing on the road between these you were on private property.

The road that runs from Argos past Marks and Spencer's and Eason down to the main entrance to the shopping center on Kennedy road is a privately owned road that is open to the public 24X7. If you were anywhere along this road the security guards were within their rights to question you, but they should have better things to do to be honest.

Fajitas!

gingerGiant wrote: »

Navan shopping center own the building marks and Spencer are in they also own the road between the two buildings so if you were standing on the road between these you were on private property.

The road that runs from argos past marks and spencer and eason down to the main entrance to the shopping center on kennedy road is a privately owned road that is open to the public 24X7. If you were anywhere along this road the security guards were within their rights to question you, but they should have better things to do to be honest.

Whoop! Closure!

Cheers gingerGiant

Thecageyone

Calina wrote: »

Amongst those lacking in facts and using a lot of opinion is you.

From where I am sitting - which is weary of people making excuses for being "abrupt" - your attitude leaves something to be desired on this thread.

Please temper it.

Temper what exactly? Please point out where I have broken any rules ... Seriously, everytime I say anything in here you're on my case. Are you just waiting in the shadows?

From where I'm sitting you could have at least offered an on topic opinion.

"The design of this project was carried out by Paul Keogh and Associates, architects employed by Meath County Council on behalf of Navan Town Council. The plan was to upgrade the surfacing to give priority to the pedestrians who wish to access the shops, offices and other businesses, surrounding this area.

Parking for 110 cars has been provided and the access for deliveries and collections improved by providing designated loading areas at each end of the parking area.

Access for disabled has been improved considerably, with easy access to designated parking spaces and ramps at a number of key locations. New lighting, seating and drainage has been included to bring this location up to a proper standard for such an important centre town civic space. The overall design has enhanced this area as a central meeting point for visitors and shoppers alike. The finished paving are granite sets and paving slabs throughout."


Sounds to me that the Council own it.

Thecageyone

sprinkles wrote: »

To be perfectly honest it does sound as if you could/should have handled the situation with a bit more decorum. 3 security guards approach you and claim that the road is private property and request that you cease taking photographs. For 1 you didn't know if they were telling the truth or not. It's quite possible and indeed probable that the road was/is private property. Just because there is public access and it doesn't have gates/bollards does not mean that it's definitely a public road. The council has no right to demand the road to fall into the public domain and in some cases the property owner keeps control for various reasons although they must maintain the upkeep of the road/lighting etc.

In any case I agree with Fajitas, you did seem to act aggressively - more so than the 3 security guards (and this is even your account of the happenings!!).



Why post on here then if you don't want people's opinions? Are you merely looking for a pat on the back for having rudely answered a few security guards who were doing their jobs?




No one needs to have a certain manner about them but you'll get a lot more respect in life if you do have them... they cost nothing after all.


No one is denying your rights or failing to stand up for them but the fact is you didn't know what rights, if any, you had in this case. You did not know for certain that you were on public property and when confronted you acted aggressively. That, imo, is what gives photographers a bad name and why there are more and more stories about photographers getting hassle.

What's become the big issue here is alot seem to think that saying 'BS' to a ... security guard ... is bad mannered. Sorry, but I strongly disagree. It's hard to describe a situation, but you're being just as ignorant by reading what you like into it. I said at least 3 times now that by end of it, they were wishing me luck. Funny they didn't think I was anything of the sort in the end. They even shook hands with me ...

If you think saying "That is BS" is aggressive, I wuold worry for some of you uot in the big bad world.

"Why post on here then if you don't want people's opinions? Are you merely looking for a pat on the back for having rudely answered a few security guards who were doing their jobs?"

Because I like to here other's input, doesn't mean I have to nod and agree. WHo's looking for a pat on the back, I asked had they any right? and what would you do? I didn't ask for a lecture in mannerisms.
"

Calina

Thecageyone wrote: »

Temper what exactly? Please point out where I have broken any rules ... Seriously, everytime I say anything in here you're on my case. Are you just waiting in the shadows?

No. I stand right there in the sunlight where you can't miss me.

Try not being abrupt to other users. It works wonders on not waking me up.

Thecageyone wrote: »

From where I'm sitting you could have at least offered an on topic opinion.

Oh that. I'm not familiar with Navan and chose not to add to the speculation about whether the location was private property or not. I understood you wanted hard facts.

On balance since we appear to have established the title of the property, I think this thread bears a lock.