Well done AH mods.

TheZohanS

I'd just like to say you did a great job on modding the Gerry Ryan thread, it couldn't have been easy considering at one stage there was over 2,5k people on AH at one stage today.

Kudos.

brummytom

+1, great job all round


Hope Dr.B and Mickey Dolenz don't leave us just yet though

El Weirdo

Why? Who died?

Cookie_Monster

I dunno, I had a perfectly valid non abusive or anti-Ryan thread that got deleted.

It had plenty of thanks*, so must assume had plenty of people agree with my sentiments.... seems unreasonable that this got deleted off hand

* I don't care about the thanks, but it illustrates my point

jtsuited

ah yeah but don't ya know, his family could be reading this. And like it's not like they've benefitted from him being in the public spotlight. Since the late 80s. So it's not fair game.

Oh hold on.

Kiera

jtsuited wrote: »

ah yeah but don't ya know, his family could be reading this. And like it's not like they've benefitted from him being in the public spotlight. Since the late 80s. So it's not fair game.

Oh hold on.

Get over it ffs!

jtsuited

ah so, rather than debating the points you're gonna just say 'get over it'. nice.

Kiera

jtsuited wrote: »

ah so, rather than debating the points you're gonna just say 'get over it'. nice.

Yes. That is exactly what i'm going to say. Do you know why? Because you're like a broken record and have taken this thread off topic with your moaning. Are the other 2 threads you're bitching in not enough for you?

brummytom

jtsuited wrote: »

ah so, rather than debating the points you're gonna just say 'get over it'. nice.

There's no 'points' to 'debate', just two opposing opinions: Those who have respect for the dead; and those who think that someone shouldn't be respected just because they were a public figure.


The latter should be ashamed of themselves

pookie82

TheZohan wrote: »

I'd just like to say you did a great job on modding the Gerry Ryan thread, it couldn't have been easy considering at one stage there was over 2,5k people on AH at one stage today.

Kudos.

Yeah holding down the delete button on all the posts you didn't agree with... job well done folks. Proud day for all of you.

jtsuited

Kiera wrote: »

Yes. That is exactly what i'm going to say. Do you know why? Because you're like a broken record and have taken this thread off topic with your moaning. Are the other 2 threads you're bitching in not enough for you?

no clearly not Kiera. Love you people in feedback. Type of people who took names of bold children in class while teacher went out for a piss.

Kiera

I was the bold child in class.

Back on topic: Well done guys, you all did a great job

jtsuited

brummytom wrote: »

There's no 'points' to 'debate', just two opposing opinions: Those who have respect for the dead; and those who think that someone shouldn't be respected just because they were a public figure.


The latter should be ashamed of themselves

so hold on, you think the dead should be respected?? You see this is the thing. I don't hold that view at all. And I know I'm not alone. Not by a longshot.

So maybe it should be a rule on boards to not speak ill of the dead? But it's not going to be. Because everyone knows that it'd be a silly rule.

jtsuited

Kiera wrote: »

I was the bold child in class.

Back on topic: Well done guys, you all did a great job

the topic is the modding of the AH thread. You might have noticed that that is what I'm actually talking about Kiera.

brummytom

jtsuited wrote: »

so hold on, you think the dead should be respected??

Yes, yes I do.

You see this is the thing. I don't hold that view at all. And I know I'm not alone. Not by a longshot.

I'm well aware of that, it doesn't mean I think they're right

So maybe it should be a rule on boards to not speak ill of the dead? But it's not going to be. Because everyone knows that it'd be a silly rule.

That, at least immediately after a death, does seem to be the rule of thumb in AH, and quite rightly so.

jtsuited wrote: »

the topic is the modding of the AH thread. You might have noticed that that is what I'm actually talking about Kiera.

Have you actually mentioned moderation at all in this thread?:

jtsuited wrote: »

ah yeah but don't ya know, his family could be reading this. And like it's not like they've benefitted from him being in the public spotlight. Since the late 80s. So it's not fair game.

Oh hold on.

No, can't see anything about it there

jtsuited wrote: »

ah so, rather than debating the points you're gonna just say 'get over it'. nice.

Moderation? *Ctrl+F 'Mod'* ... nope

jtsuited wrote: »

no clearly not Kiera. Love you people in feedback. Type of people who took names of bold children in class while teacher went out for a piss.

Oh look, you didn't mention it there either

Sarky

jtsuited wrote: »

So maybe it should be a rule on boards to not speak ill of the dead? But it's not going to be. Because everyone knows that it'd be a silly rule.

It's there under "Don't be a dick." What the hell is wrong with you?

I don't know how the AH mods put up with this sort of ass-hattery so frequently. I really don't. You guys are mad, big damn heroes or some combination thereof.

jtsuited

Sarky wrote: »

It's there under "Don't be a dick."

i think deleting posts that express opinions different from those of the mods is the actions of a dick. In fact I reckon a lot of people would.

Conor

jtsuited: Use your Help Desk thread to discuss the issues you have with the AH mods, not this one.

jtsuited

oh i will. but see i know why i was banned. see this is feedback yeah? where things like modding are discussed yeah? good man.

Sharpshooter

pookie82 wrote: »

Yeah holding down the delete button on all the posts you didn't agree with... job well done folks. Proud day for all of you.

All post in the Gerry Ryan thread that were deleted are for the following reasons:

Abuse, trolling, Quoting deleted posts or unfounded statements ect.

There are over 180 deleted posts in that thread and you have taken issue with ONE post that went against what you said.

You reported it at 22:49 , I saw the reported post at 22:54 and edited the post, down to "R.I.P Gerry Ryan".

It was overlooked and I'd say it was one of a few that might have been overlooked by the mods on a very fast paced thread today.

Your post was deleted because it was quoting Wizzard007's post, which was edited as per your reported post of

My post addressing this was removed, but this guy telling me to "get real" for having an opinion remains.

Please be consistent in what you remove.

The mods are consistent but we are not super human and remember for every post that we deleted, there also had to be a post looked for that may have quoted that deleted post.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank my fellow AHs mods for a job well done from the time the news broke of Gerry's untimely death up to this minute.

Also thanks to doc and Mickey Dolenz for stepping in when needed along with Admin input.

Conor

jtsuited wrote: »

oh i will. but see i know why i was banned. see this is feedback yeah? where things like modding are discussed yeah? good man.

There's a difference between constructive feedback and polluting other threads with whinging. You are not providing constructive feedback.

Mr Alan

'don't be a dick', it really is quite a simple rule. you may not think disrespecting someone who tragically passed away for no apparent reason, particularly on a forum which is frequented by members of the mans family, is out of order but thankfully it ain't your call. You're sense of good taste seems to be seriously warped.

jtsuited

Mr Alan wrote: »

who tragically passed away for no apparent reason,.

lol. really?

Conor

This is not a thread to discuss the death of Gerry Ryan.

jtsuited

Conor wrote: »

There's a difference between constructive feedback and polluting other threads with whinging. You are not providing constructive feedback.

not whining. just not lettin you guys off the hook on something I believe you're clearly wrong on. But let me be more constructive.

When Jade Goody died, I posted an almost identical post in the relevant thread as I did today regarding Ryan.

Didn't get deleted, got a good bit of thanks and nobody said boo.

So what's the difference between her and Ryan?

The fact that it's more local is a very very very weak argument imo. So therefore I'm asking WHY these rules aren't consistent. In case there's something I'm missing other than 'he's Irish'.

jtsuited

brummytom wrote: »

Oh for fuck sake... the man had young children; of course it's tragic

was referring to the no apparent reason bit actually.

brummytom

jtsuited wrote: »

was referring to the no apparent reason bit actually.

Apologies, I misunderstood your post.


On topic; the mods did a good job today, the response to 'celebrity death threads' from mods seems to get better each time

pookie82

Sharpshooter wrote: »

All post in the Gerry Ryan thread that were deleted are for the following reasons:

Abuse, trolling, Quoting deleted posts or unfounded statements ect.

There are over 180 deleted posts in that thread and you have taken issue with ONE post that went against what you said.

You reported it at 22:49 , I saw the reported post at 22:54 and edited the post, down to "R.I.P Gerry Ryan".

It was overlooked and I'd say it was one of a few that might have been overlooked by the mods on a very fast paced thread today.

Your post was deleted because it was quoting Wizzard007's post, which was edited as per your reported post of

The mods are consistent but we are not super human and remember for every post that we deleted, there also had to be a post looked for that may have quoted that deleted post.

If you have edited his post to remove his comment about getting real then that's fair enough. I'm happy as long as ALL such posts are removed/edited. I would suggest though, as I have endlessly, that a fast paced thread such as this which is clearly a task to handle for the mods, be edited by way of its title to indicate what exactly is expected of the posters. It really would save everyone a lot of time. I would see that it's a condolence thread for GR and would not bother posting anything else.

Thank you for answering me.

Einstein

jtsuited wrote: »

not whining. just not lettin you guys off the hook on something I believe you're clearly wrong on. But let me be more constructive.

When Jade Goody died, I posted an almost identical post in the relevant thread as I did today regarding Ryan.

Didn't get deleted, got a good bit of thanks and nobody said boo.

So what's the difference between her and Ryan?

The fact that it's more local is a very very very weak argument imo. So therefore I'm asking WHY these rules aren't consistent. In case there's something I'm missing other than 'he's Irish'.

Nothing to do with local, its to do with the fact that he's been on the airwaves since 1978, and has established himself, whether you like it or not, as one of the country's most established and respected broadcasters.
Jade Goody as tragic as her death was, as she also had young kids, wasn't quite the institution that Gerry Ryan was.

Moan and bitch about em all ye want when they're alive, but when someone passes, they lose the option to defend their beliefs or ideas against people that choose to continue to berate them.

jtsuited

ah so local then. fair enough.

Einstein

jtsuited wrote: »

ah so local then. fair enough.

You don't make a whole lotta sense do you.

Conor

jtsuited wrote: »

not whining. just not lettin you guys off the hook on something I believe you're clearly wrong on. But let me be more constructive.

When Jade Goody died, I posted an almost identical post in the relevant thread as I did today regarding Ryan.

Didn't get deleted, got a good bit of thanks and nobody said boo.

So what's the difference between her and Ryan?

The fact that it's more local is a very very very weak argument imo. So therefore I'm asking WHY these rules aren't consistent. In case there's something I'm missing other than 'he's Irish'.

By the time you showed up there was a warning in the thread for almost 7 hours telling everyone to keep it "civil and respectful". You can't say you weren't warned.

A rule particular to that thread was obviously there and you ignored it.

OutlawPete

jtsuited wrote: »

When Jade Goody died, I posted an almost identical post in the relevant thread as I did today regarding Ryan.

Just because the Mods left your post in that Jade Goody thread does not mean what you said was appropriate or right.

You called her "pig ignorant" and a "racist" the morning she died.

That says more about you than it does about her.

jtsuited wrote: »

Didn't get deleted, got a good bit of thanks and nobody said boo.

I wouldn't use 'thanks' as a barometer of what is and isn't appropriate if I were you.

Some of the most idiotic posts on that thread today got a heap of 'thanks'.

Dudess

brummytom wrote: »

There's no 'points' to 'debate', just two opposing opinions: Those who have respect for the dead; and those who think that someone shouldn't be respected just because they were a public figure.


The latter should be ashamed of themselves

I don't go in for grave-dancing either but do you just want a ream of "RIP" and condolences?

TheZohanS

I'm actually really sorry I started this thread now. I would have thought/hoped that users would realise what sort of effort the moderators had to put in today to keep the thread civil.

Imagine if it was your dad that had passed away, how would you feel? The mods here have looked at the bigger picture and acted accordingly. They're volunteers and have worked really hard here.

jtsuited

OutlawPete wrote: »

Just because the Mods left your post in that Jade Goody thread does not mean what you said was appropriate or right.

You called her "pig ignorant" and a "racist" the morning she died.

That says more about you than it does about her.

sorry i was talking about Jade Goody the pig ignorant racist. Think we're talking about different people here Pete.

jtsuited

OutlawPete wrote: »

Just because the Mods left your post in that Jade Goody thread does not mean what you said was appropriate or right.

You called her "pig ignorant" and a "racist" the morning she died.

That says more about you than it does about her.



I wouldn't use 'thanks' as a barometer of what is and isn't appropriate if I were you.

Some of the most idiotic posts on that thread today got a heap of 'thanks'.

of course it's not. my point was that it wasn't an isolated opinion that deliberately set out to flame or troll.

pookie82

Dudess wrote: »

I don't go in for grave-dancing either but do you just want a ream of "RIP" and condolences?

Yes but obviously we're supposed to GUESS that from the nature of the first few posts and ignore the ambiguous thread title, which suggests an open discussion on the news.

brummytom

Dudess wrote: »

I don't go in for grave-dancing either but do you just want a ream of "RIP" and condolences?

Well no, I think it should be a condolence/discussion thread... but there's discussion and then there's just insults.

One can have respect for the dead but still discuss their opinion on him, maturely (e.g. "I wasn't a fan of his show"); which I would think was fine, but then there's people who prefer to say 'he was a fat cunt.'

I'm not quite sure if I'm making myself clear, I'm tired. I just think people should conduct themselves with a touch of decorum; they don't have to pretend they like him but resorting to hurling insults at someone who's no longer around to defend himself is just pathetic.

Mr Alan

jtsuited wrote: »

lol. really?

Wat i meant was that after he died, for no apparent reason you seem to want to slate him. Maybe its cause you like to go against the tide for delicate matters like this in an effort to be controversial and interesting, whatever it is, its dick headish behaviour, i can't see wat you're complaining about.

OutlawPete

jtsuited wrote: »

sorry i was talking about Jade Goody the pig ignorant racist. Think we're talking about different people here Pete.

I think you're missing the point.

The moderators (and most people actually) would prefer if you didn't insult the dead on the day they die.

It tends to cause arguments on a thread when there are people at the same time trying to express their condolences.

Could you not hold off till the man is buried at least before tearing him apart.

jtsuited

just to clarify something. Mine wasn't some 'what a stupid cnut' type post. I genuinely hold the view (as do MANY others), that he really was an embodiment of the ills of modern irish society.
Overpaid, undertalented, celebrity-worshipping halfwit who used crass shock 'broadcasting' to justify his ridiculous salary. If you don't think there's at least an ounce of truth in that, well then frankly there's no point in even trying to discuss it further with you.

Overheal

jtsuited wrote: »

just to clarify something. Mine wasn't some 'what a stupid cnut' type post. I genuinely hold the view (as do MANY others), that he really was an embodiment of the ills of modern irish society.
Overpaid, undertalented, celebrity-worshipping halfwit who used crass shock 'broadcasting' to justify his ridiculous salary. If you don't think there's at least an ounce of truth in that, well then frankly there's no point in even trying to discuss it further with you.

But, how is that view relevant in any way to his death?

Dudess

brummytom wrote: »

Well no, I think it should be a condolence/discussion thread... but there's discussion and then there's just insults.

One can have respect for the dead but still discuss their opinion on him, maturely (e.g. "I wasn't a fan of his show"); which I would think was fine, but then there's people who prefer to say 'he was a fat cunt.'

I'm not quite sure if I'm making myself clear, I'm tired. I just think people should conduct themselves with a touch of decorum; they don't have to pretend they like him but resorting to hurling insults at someone who's no longer around to defend himself is just pathetic.

Well absolutely - I couldn't agree more. But speculating about the death, saying you weren't a fan of them in real life - are these the same as hurling insults? And the "Have thum respect!" brigade don't have a right to step in and be sanctimonious.

TheZohanS

jtsuited wrote: »

If you don't think there's at least an ounce of truth in that, well then frankly there's no point in even trying to discuss it further with you.

Good, enjoy your sleep.

jtsuited

OutlawPete wrote: »

I think you're missing the point.

The moderators (and most people actually) would prefer if you didn't insult the dead on the day they die.

It tends to cause arguments on a thread when there are people at the same time trying to express their condolences.

i'd understand that if this was bookofcondolences.ie

express their condolences????? come on. people coming on who didn't know him and pretending their grieving or some other such nonsense should not be given preferential treatment simply because there is many of them.

They have a right to be offended. And they have a right to say what they want. What they don't have a right to is censorship because of their fragile emotional condition (haha this whole thing is ridiculous).

brummytom

jtsuited wrote: »

just to clarify something. Mine wasn't some 'what a stupid cnut' type post. I genuinely hold the view (as do MANY others), that he really was an embodiment of the ills of modern irish society.
Overpaid, undertalented, celebrity-worshipping halfwit who used crass shock 'broadcasting' to justify his ridiculous salary. If you don't think there's at least an ounce of truth in that, well then frankly there's no point in even trying to discuss it further with you.

Jade Goody was a thuggish moron, Michael Jackson was an alleged paedophile. D'you know what? On the days they died, I didn't care about that. First and foremost, they were people.

Regardless of what you think of him, Gerry Ryan died just hours ago, leaving behind five children without a father, a girlfriend without her partner, devastated friends and fans. I was never a big fan of his work, to be honest; I watched his documentary on Ronnie Drew and found the whole thing to be a bit conceited... but that doesn't matter, the man's dead.. just show some respect.

Would you insult him to his family's faces?

jtsuited

would you insult jade goody to hers?

pookie82

TheZohan wrote: »

Imagine if it was your dad that had passed away, how would you feel?

This is part of my problem with the whole thing (apart from my individual deletion).

Yes, we can all imagine how upset we would be if this was our dad.

BUT do we now measure threads and posts in AH and indeed across boards in general by the chances of connected people reading them? In which case, Irish celebrities /politicians are immune from any criticism or discussion outside of sympathies but foreigners are ok, because their family is less likely to be reading?

That's the impression I'm getting - that most of this fuels from the risk of someone who knows him seeing this. The implications of censoring posts on that basis is pretty far reaching.

brummytom

jtsuited wrote: »

would you insult jade goody to hers?

Touché; no I wouldn't, and the comment I made was in bad taste

jtsuited

brummytom wrote: »

Touché; no I wouldn't, and the comment I made was in bad taste

and this is my point!!!!!