You Can't Trust Science!

Flamed Diving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRLR9jhP_DM

There are obviously some people in this forum who truly believe the title of this thread, and in fact see Science as some kind of corrosive force in human advancement, etc. So when I saw this video, I thought of you guys.

Remember, next time you enter your kitchen, switch the light on and get a glass of clean drinking water from your refrigerator before returning to your PC to research, you have only one thing to be thankful for.

Enjoy.

PirateShampoo

Dont trust science, trust YouTube.

TalkieWalkie

I personally have never heard before that "you can't trust science",. Religion to me, even a child has always been a control mechanism. So there was never an argument in my mind as to the trustworthiness of science. Having said that, there is a lot that science will never explain.

I would suggest.. You cant trust Religion.

PirateShampoo

I will agree with you there Walkie, never understood the whole blind faith thing.

Its probably due to the fact i grew up in Wales where religion didn't play apart in our lives what so ever.

Truthrevolution

You are tarring everybody with the one brush.Can you name these people who dont trust science?? I doubt there would be many.

Personally i dont trust most doctors and i dont trust the vaccination agenda for a multiple of reasons both personally and profesionally.There is no doubt that science is the best thing to happen mankind but also one of the most dangerous things to happen if the power of science falls into the wrong hands.

uprising2

Flamed Diving wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRLR9jhP_DM

There are obviously some people in this forum who truly believe the title of this thread, and in fact see Science as some kind of corrosive force in human advancement, etc. So when I saw this video, I thought of you guys.

Remember, next time you enter your kitchen, switch the light on and get a glass of clean drinking water from your refrigerator before returning to your PC to research, you have only one thing to be thankful for.

Enjoy.

There are obviously some people in this forum who truly believe that they "know" what others believe and a blanket statement covers all, well it doesn't, science is science, science has improved an awful lot of different things, I believe a lot of science, and know the majority of scientists are good honest men/woman, I dated a scientist for a while.
Science has brought us some real wonders that we take for granted, science has also brought us some of the most horrific/ghastly "things" that should never ever have been concieved.
Of course science has merit and worth, otherwise the powers that be would not hold it in such an iron grip, controlling all that goes in and all coming out, science and intelligence are gifts of God, hijacked by evil people.
Also I believe that science is over rated and the more they learn the more they realise they actually know nothing really, it has it's plus's but the controllers wanna use it against us in a variety of ways and thats where my problem is.

And believe it or not I'm not a religious person, I despise all religion, its a conspiracy to divide and conquer, all religion is controlled by the same "side". Although the truth is there to be found, and I am 110% sure in my heart that God is God.

Flamed Diving

Truthrevolution wrote: »

You are tarring everybody with the one brush.

Please point out where, or retract your statement.

humanji

Can everyone try and not be so judgmental and quick to take offense. Just look at the breasts in the video and be happy.

Torakx

Well first of all im very dissapointed in this thread
It took up to 2 minutes 31 seconds before i got tired of looking for those bewbs

I do want to say though that science is great.Scientists on the other hand are humans and they are not so great when it comes to honesty and integrity much like religions.
What i thought was interesting was how pythagorus discovered how to measure the circumference of a circle.A good example of early science changing the world.That obviously isnt something to be scared of but to embrace.
Yet as long as science is under the control of humans it isnt going to be all good its going to be good and bad.Im sure most if not all on this forum agree with that last statement.
The thread is funny but its good to let visitors to the Ct section of boards know that insanity can be very relative.

Pixel8

I trust Science alright, i just wouldn't trust the Politics of Science.

Undergod

Torakx wrote: »

What i thought was interesting was how pythagorus discovered how to measure the circumference of a circle.A good example of early science changing the world.That obviously isnt something to be scared of but to embrace.

Pity he's the last person we should reference on the topic of staying objective about science. He had the guy who proved the existence of irrational numbers killed.

Lab_Mouse

humanji wrote: »

C Just look at the breasts in the video and be happy.

And in fairness they are nice breasts....and I'm a skeptic

mcmoustache

Where's mysterious? I want to hear his take on it all.

EDIT:
Actually this is quite important. Troofers (I must point that there are very few Troofers here. < 3. It's a derogatory term but I'm picking on a strawman here) often claim that science is just a brainwashing excercise as opposed to an investigative excercise. Our teachers make mistakes occasionally (no, they're not in on the brainwashing) but most of what they tell us and demonstrate in experiments is correct. You can't brainwash sciance. It works or it doesn't. If quantum mechanics was a lie, your computer wouldn't work.

I know that a lot of conspiracy theories depend on science being a lie. Especially all the woo stuff about atlantis and lizards. But there are even more CTs that don't. These are the ones that I, personally, like to see discussed. I don't contribute much but I do like to lurk. There are a lot of good ideas posted here and a good discussion can only happen if both sides can agree to the same rules with regard to logic and well-tested science (people can disagree with experimental fields). Saying that sciance is the result of brainwashing when an argument is full of holes is a terrible cop-out. (90% of non-skeptic posters here don't do that by the way. They may have unorthodox ideas but at least they make logical points and don't try to claim that all science is brianwashing)

mysterious

You didn't come here to trust materialism, and bull**** outside yourself, which includes sighence, authority, government, illuminati, and all forms of society to keep you disconnected with yourself.

Science is dangerous, just like someone who claims to be enlightened on earth (aka the right brain) If you were enlightened, you wouldn't be here. So you can't trust the right brain in totalilty either.

You must must use both sides of the brain to belance your perception of reality. Science makes you focus reality from one perspective, as one way with the left brain only. This is really wrong. It takes a right brain to see that. It takes a left brain to rationalise what the right is coming from. But you cannot get anywhere with a one sided brain.

It's precisely why the world is focked up because so many can't discern what's really going on in reality or what's behind scenes.


You came here to trust yourself. not the rest.

PirateShampoo

And where did you learn about this Left side Right side stuff from?

mcmoustache

OK. There are a few things I need to know.:

Who came up with this science stuff and when?

How did they get every educational institution in the world to teach these lies?

How did they get the entire earth (Jew, Chink Rusky, Yankee, Whitey and African) to get in on the act ?

How did they stop me from verifying newton's laws for myself?

How did the get every scienbtific law to agree with experiment?

finty

uprising2 wrote: »

Also I believe that science is over rated and the more they learn the more they realise they actually know nothing really, it has it's plus's but the controllers wanna use it against us in a variety of ways and thats where my problem is.

Science overrated? compared to what?

I suggest you throw that computer of yours off a cliff and go live in a cave where SCIENCE can't be used against you

mcmoustache

finty wrote: »

Science overrated? compared to what?

I suggest you throw that computer of yours off a cliff and go live in a cave where SCIENCE can't be used against you

As much as I agree with your sentiment, uprising was making a fair point. Technology can easily be used against us once we are too dependent on it.

All that said, however, geeks are always years ahead of any government who may wish to control us.

Pixel8

Well, those that are pro science (but can't discern real science from political science), what do you think of the great global warming swindle?
I mean theres tonnes of scientific evidence to state that carbon dioxide levels increase AFTER the planet heats up first, not before, as these carbon taxing muppets would have you believe. So what do the 'scientific' boards.ie people think of this?

My problem with science is pangea theory, big bang theory, evolution theory, theory theory theory and they think its bloody fact even though we all know science is forever changing, facts dont change, theories do. Science is cool, im a gadget freak and i love technology but political science is arrogant. Political science is materialistic and won't recognise that there is a whole range of frequencies above and below what we can detect with scientific instruments, and that annoys me a lot.

Sure don't scientists say that we only know around 5% of the universe which leaves 95% of the universe undiscovered and besides that, we're all still stuck on this little planet so what the hell do we know?!

Flamed Diving

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And where did you learn about this Left side Right side stuff from?

It's an urban myth, you can't use different sides of your brain, in isolation. One 'side' may contain a region for abstract thinking and the other for languages, etc, but they are not exclusive of one another. In fact, it has been demonstrated that different cultures use different 'sides' of the brain for the same tasks. To break it down further, East Asian people use, say, the right side of the brain for maths, and Europeans use the left side for maths. And it's not because our sides are flipped around. They use the languages side for maths, we use the abstract side. Capeeesh? Ergo, what mysterious said has no basis whatsoever.

Article on this:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233778

PirateShampoo

Flamed Diving wrote: »

It's an urban myth, you can't use different sides of your brain, in isolation. One 'side' may contain a region for abstract thinking and the other for languages, etc, but they are not exclusive of one another. In fact, it has been demonstrated that different cultures use different 'sides' of the brain for the same tasks. To break it down further, East Asian people use, say, the right side of the brain for maths, and Europeans use the left side for maths. And it's not because our sides are flipped around. They use the languages side for maths, we use the abstract side. Capeeesh? Ergo, what mysterious said has no basis whatsoever.

Article on this:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233778

Think you missed the point i was trying to make, the whole left side right side would of spawned from medical science which is something he wouldn't trust or believe in.

Flamed Diving

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Think you missed the point i was trying to make, the whole left side right side would of spawned from medical science which is something he wouldn't trust or believe in.

Then he/you is in agreement with medical science, since they stress that both sides work, in tandem. I mean, only carnival faith healers sell the idea of the brain being split into two, independent entities. Science suggests no such thing.

uprising2

finty wrote: »

Science overrated? compared to what?

I suggest you throw that computer of yours off a cliff and go live in a cave where SCIENCE can't be used against you

Its posts like this that make this all worthwhile.
If you believe a "Cave" can prevent science from being used against me you mustn't have very much regard for it.

Ohh and I suggest you go back and read my post again, and again if need be.

bonkey

Undergod wrote: »

Pity he's the last person we should reference on the topic of staying objective about science. He had the guy who proved the existence of irrational numbers killed.

Irrational numbers and the cirumference of a circle are mathematical in nature.

Mathematics <> science.

Undergod

bonkey wrote: »

Irrational numbers and the cirumference of a circle are mathematical in nature.

Mathematics <> science.

Fair enough. Nonetheless, Pythagoras is hardly to held up as an example of the objectivity that we ought to seek in approach to maths or science- he was the leader of a mystery cult.

TalkieWalkie

Having had some time to reflect on the nature of this thread and the clip posted, I have come to the eventual conclusion that you the poster are an insecure and troubled individual. (no offense)
By singling out a particular belief system with the sole intent of ridiculing it, you have displayed a classic example of "school bully" syndrome.
It is quite anti evolutionary and is intended encourage prejudice which in turn acts as a divide between people based on your insecurities.

There is quite a bit of it going on here, so this thread will be welcomed by the rest of the gang. :rolleyes:

Flamed Diving

Undergod wrote: »

Fair enough. Nonetheless, Pythagoras is hardly to held up as an example of the objectivity that we ought to seek in approach to maths or science- he was the leader of a mystery cult.

How does that make him "non-objective"? I'm confused by your post.

bonkey

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Having had some time to reflect on the nature of this thread and the clip posted, I have come to the eventual conclusion that you the poster are an insecure and troubled individual. (no offense)
By singling out a particular belief system with the sole intent of ridiculing it, you have displayed a classic example of "school bully" syndrome.

It is quite anti evolutionary and is intended encourage prejudice which in turn acts as a divide between people based on your insecurities.

There is quite a bit of it going on here, so this thread will be welcomed by the rest of the gang. :rolleyes:

The thread may have been borderline to start.

The responses since then have opened the door to an interesting discussion. We can do without post like this trying to slam that door shut again.

If that's not clear enough....enough with the personal jibes.

TalkieWalkie

bonkey wrote: »

The thread may have been borderline to start.

The responses since then have opened the door to an interesting discussion. We can do without post like this trying to slam that door shut again.

If that's not clear enough....enough with the personal jibes.

With all due respect Bonkey, I am entitled to give my thoughts at any time on any thread I see fit.

I merely made an observation, it was not my intention to personally jibe as I am sure it was not flamed Diving intention to ridicule religion. So I apologize flamed if I offended you.;)

Undergod

Flamed Diving wrote: »

How does that make him "non-objective"? I'm confused by your post.

As the leader of a cult, the discoveries were treated as sacred truths. There were also entrenched beliefs (ie. everything could be turned into numbers). This meant they had to deny anything that contradicted them (or kill the people that proved it), so they couldn't be objective.

I'm not saying that Pythagoras didn't contribute massively to our body of knowledge, my profession is massively indebted to him, just saying he could have gone about it a bit better.

Flamed Diving

Undergod wrote: »

As the leader of a cult, the discoveries were treated as sacred truths. There were also entrenched beliefs (ie. everything could be turned into numbers). This meant they had to deny anything that contradicted them (or kill the people that proved it), so they couldn't be objective.

I'm not saying that Pythagoras didn't contribute massively to our body of knowledge, my profession is massively indebted to him, just saying he could have gone about it a bit better.

Ok, fair enough. Sure didn't Newton have his dodgy side too?