Rap Songs and how they portray/treat women

Kimia

Just from a rant I did over in blessed R&R when I was posting about Jason Derulo's song 'In My Head' I thought of asking the ladies what they think of the lyrics in this song. I actually thought that I wasn't hearing them right when I first heard this song but it was only today that I actually looked them up. Have a look:

Everybodys looking for love. Oh. Oh.
Aint that the reason youre at this club. Oh. Oh.
You aint gonna find a dance with him. No. Oh.
Got a better solution for you girl. Oh. Oh.

Just stay with me now. Say the word and well go.
Ill be your teacher. Ill show you the ropes.
Youll see a side of love you've never known.
I can see it going down, going down.

In my head, I see you all over me.
In my head, you fulfill my fantasy.
Youll be screaming no.
In my head, its going down.
In my head, its going down.
In my head. Yeah. In my head. Oh yeah.

And so on.

Am I the only one that's pretty outraged at these lyrics? He actually sings the words 'you'll be screaming no' - this is unreal!! :mad:

Censorsh!t

Okay, not a rap song, but I always seem to associate hip hop and that with rap. What really bugs me is that stupid Akon song, Sexy Bitch

"I'm trying to find the words to describe this girl without being disrespectful
Damn, she's a sexy bitch"

Haha, a very bad way of describing her in a non-desrespectful way!

entropi

Kimia wrote: »

Just from a rant I did over in blessed R&R when I was posting about Jason Derulo's song 'In My Head' I thought of asking the ladies what they think of the lyrics in this song. I actually thought that I wasn't hearing them right when I first heard this song but it was only today that I actually looked them up. Have a look:

Everybodys looking for love. Oh. Oh.
Aint that the reason youre at this club. Oh. Oh.
You aint gonna find a dance with him. No. Oh.
Got a better solution for you girl. Oh. Oh.

Just stay with me now. Say the word and well go.
Ill be your teacher. Ill show you the ropes.
Youll see a side of love you've never known.
I can see it going down, going down.

In my head, I see you all over me.
In my head, you fulfill my fantasy.
Youll be screaming no.
In my head, its going down.
In my head, its going down.
In my head. Yeah. In my head. Oh yeah.

And so on.

Am I the only one that's pretty outraged at these lyrics? He actually sings the words 'you'll be screaming no' - this is unreal!! :mad:

You've actually gotten this all wrong, he says Oohhh (yes I know the words to the song :P) but here's some proof for you just incase from his official page on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU-ZQWZSGfc

Go to 44 seconds in to see those lyrics

NoDice

I sit on the fence on this one.

Women buy this music too and women are in the music videos. Ya "sexy bItch" has awful lyrics but man it has a great beat to it, I love when it comes on. Same with Rihanna's "Rude Boy", it first came on and I went on a rant about how it's a disgrace to women and how can she portray herself like that.. Realised I was bopping away to the song. It's pretty awesome imo.

Haven't heard the first one OP but see where you're coming from. Sure the lyrics are correct?

At the end of the day though he's a rapper.. Not a politician...

Acoshla

Never mind them lyrics, have you heard Adam Lambert's song For Your Entertainment?? Disturbing, disturbing song, I keep saying to everyone that if you said those sentences to someone they'd ask what kind of sicko you were, but in a song it's ok?!

So hot out the box
Can we pick up the pace
Turn it up, heat it up
I need to be entertained
Push the limit, are you with it, baby, don’t be afraid
Imma hurt you real good baby

Let’s go, it’s my show, baby, do what I say
Don’t trip off the glitz that I’m gonna display
I told ya, Imma hold ya down until you’re amazed
Give it to ya til your screamin' my name

No escaping when I start
Once I’m in I own your heart
There’s no way to ring the alarm
So hold on until it’s over

Oh!
Do you know what you got into
Can you handle what I’m ’bout to do
‘Cause it’s about to get rough for you
I’m here For Your Entertainment

'Sall right
You’ll be fine
Baby I’m in control
Take the pain
Take the pleasure
I’m the master of both
Close your eyes, not your mind
Let me into your soul
I’m gonna work it ’til your totally blown



Adam Lambert is gay so I assume these lyrics are directed at a man, either way it's frickin gross.

DubMedic

This is one of the many reasons why I simply refuse to listen to current chart music in the R&B, Dance, & Rap end of things.
The lyrics are utterly meaningless, and above all do not have a trickle of decency/consideration in them.

I like my music to have some sort of meaning,music is actually the brainchild of someone who has a love for music, not some washed up 'rap' person.

Forgive me if I sound rash here, but I just don't support these idiots who think they can get away with whatever in the charts. Your lyrics are utterly disgusting and meaningless.

Take for example;

''Whenever you are gone I just wanna be with you'' - Fair enough.

''Please don't get me wrong, I just wanna see your picture''

''Take a dirty picture for me, take a dirty picture''.

So, he's not content with just seeing a nice picture of his significant other smiling, but instead would like a 'dirty picture'. Listen, get a grip on life mate, that is no way to behave.

Now, in saying that.. I did not listen to the entire song.. I simply took those lyrics from listening to the sample audio on a popular 'chart' radio station website.

NoDice

But lads it's music. Is anyone else NOT offended by the songs?? I for one am not and can laugh at some of the lyrics..

Like "Come here, rude boy, boy; can you get it up?
Come here rude boy, boy; is you big enough?"

"Tonight I'ma let you be a rider
Giddy-up, giddy-up, giddy-up babe"

"Tonight I'ma give it to ya harder
Tonight I'ma turn ya body out
Relax; let me do it how I wanna"

It's coming from a girl so maybe fellas get offended? These songs fill the dancefloors in clubs! Themusic behind the song is pretty cool and ya you don't have to listen to it.

Sorry I hope I don't sound aggressive and I'm not attacking anyone or anything, it's just what I think..

Kimia

Ooops maybe I got the lyrics wrong then! I got them off a googled lyrics site so I'm not sure. But if you even look at the video he turns my stomach the way he's so pervy with the woman he's singing to.

Yes it works both ways - are any men offended by the Rhianna song for example?

I don't know what to think. On the one hand I'm outraged, but on the other I'm like 'meh, i like the beat' as someone else mentioned.

What is the happy medium?? !

NoDice

Kimia wrote: »

Ooops maybe I got the lyrics wrong then! I got them off a googled lyrics site so I'm not sure. But if you even look at the video he turns my stomach the way he's so pervy with the woman he's singing to.

Yes it works both ways - are any men offended by the Rhianna song for example?

I don't know what to think. On the one hand I'm outraged, but on the other I'm like 'meh, i like the beat' as someone else mentioned.

What is the happy medium?? !

Come join me on the fence kimia, it's comfortable, the music is good to listen to too if you don't listen to the words.

entropi

The problem with pop/RnB chart "songs" nowadays is that they are too generic. They all sound the same, similar songwriters and all that and similar beats due to production companies using similar production techniques (lots of upscaling and synthesizing of voices). The only thing that would make me listen to them is that some have quite a catchy beat.

For example, many of the new songs from Black Eyed Peas have a good beat, but useless lyrics...same with Akon and Timbaland. Katy Perry is falling into the same trap...although her last offering of a track with 3!OH3(sp?) was purely a sexual track.

NoDice: As for the new Rihanna song...great example of a song to get the Daily Mail on another rant. I tend to drown out the noise coming from her mouth and listen to the beats if it came on in a club/disco bar I doubt it would offend any man.

bfocusd

Honestly those are some of the more timid songs around, there are WAY more explicit songs than those mentioned above,

for example,

Jerhmia - Birthday Sex
ying yang twins - Wait
50 cent - Candi shop
Akon - Smack that
50 Cent - b*tch get in (not sure the exact name)
Luda - Move b*tch (get out the way) / whats your fantisy
Lil wayne - mrs officer
Jay Z - 99 Problems (but a b*tch aint 1)

theres a dance song on clubland 9 i think and its got a song with the lyrics,
dont want no short short man, then starts singing about how small his penis is.
cant remember the name of the song, will post it if i do.

I dont really find these songs offensive but i can see why other people would, there basically using the sex sells method, no matter what way they portray it, these songs are still selling millions, also its not only rap songs that portray women in that way, what about the Prodigy - Smack my b*tch up for example??

i do like all music from hip-hop, nija (nigerian hiphop namely sean paul) rnb, soul, dance, trance, rock, heavy metal, death metal, speed metal, jazz, everything... maybe except country and western.. like dolly parton, but then again i like taylor swift..

the only song i can think of off the top of my head that i do actually find offensive is Eminem - Kim, its kinda disturbing to listen to.
if you thought Eminem - Stan (ft. Dido) was bad.. this is WAY worse!

Vinta81

God I FCUKING LOVE that Jason DeRulo song He's all weplayed over in South Africa. And I'd love to let him make me scream

On topic, they ain't talking about me, if the beat is good I'll dance my socks off.

NoDice

bfocusd wrote: »

Honestly those are some of the more timid songs around, there are WAY more explicit songs than those mentioned above,

for example,

Jerhmia - Birthday Sex
ying yang twins - Wait
50 cent - Candi shop
Akon - Smack that
50 Cent - b*tch get in (not sure the exact name)
Luda - Move b*tch (get out the way) / whats your fantisy
Lil wayne - mrs officer
Jay Z - 99 Problems (but a b*tch aint 1)

theres a dance song on clubland 9 i think and its got a song with the lyrics,
dont want no short short man, then starts singing about how small his penis is.
cant remember the name of the song, will post it if i do.

I dont really find these songs offensive but i can see why other people would, there basically using the sex sells method, no matter what way they portray it, these songs are still selling millions, also its not only rap songs that portray women in that way, what about the Prodigy - Smack my b*tch up for example??

i do like all music from hip-hop, nija (nigerian hiphop namely sean paul) rnb, soul, dance, trance, rock, heavy metal, death metal, speed metal, jazz, everything... maybe except country and western.. like dolly parton, but then again i like taylor swift..

the only song i can think of off the top of my head that i do actually find offensive is Eminem - Kim, its kinda disturbing to listen to.
if you thought Eminem - Stan (ft. Dido) was bad.. this is WAY worse!

Absolutely agree here! Also the song "What's your fantasy" I loved when it came out. Dirty dirty ludacris you can do what you want to me! lol.

Love all types of music too and yeah usuallyhip hop/rap are pretty generic to agree with you again. I doubt they're out to pIss everyone off cause they're still out to make sales, don't think there's a need to find them offensive. As I said I usually giggle at how crude they all are.

Vinta81 wrote: »

God I FCUKING LOVE that Jason DeRulo song He's all weplayed over in South Africa. And I'd love to let him make me scream

On topic, they ain't talking about me, if the beat is good I'll dance my socks off.

Exactly! The second rude boy comes on I grab the girls and we dance like mad things! And as I said, when I first heard it I was sooo angry!

bfocusd

One song i love and always listen to is Chris Brown - Take you Down!!!
plus the video is nice to watch!

maybe it is offensive, i dont remember all the lyrics from it as im usually mesmerized watching the video!! hehe :rolleyes:

Lia_lia

That's not a rap song, don't be silly!


Anyway, I couldn't care less. It's all a bit of fun. I find the majority of them hilarious actually.

speedboatchase

NoDice wrote: »

I sit on the fence on this one.

Women buy this music too and women are in the music videos. Ya "sexy bItch" has awful lyrics but man it has a great beat to it, I love when it comes on. Same with Rihanna's "Rude Boy", it first came on and I went on a rant about how it's a disgrace to women and how can she portray herself like that.. Realised I was bopping away to the song. It's pretty awesome imo.

Haven't heard the first one OP but see where you're coming from. Sure the lyrics are correct?

At the end of the day though he's a rapper.. Not a politician...

In fairness you could say Rude Boy objectified men more than women Anyways about the whole "content is questionable but the beats are amazing" argument - that's pretty much it. Chris Rock hit the nail on the head about this exact topic:

"People always say rap music is misogynistic and degrading to women but what I realised is that women that like rap don't give a **** - if the beat's alright, she will dance all night!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcqJDDhoUlc

NoDice

speedboatchase wrote: »

In fairness you could say Rude Boy objectified men more than women Anyways about the whole "content is questionable but the beats are amazing" argument - that's pretty much it. Chris Rock hit the nail on the head about this exact topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcqJDDhoUlc

Ya Speedboatchase I said in a few posts after that that rude boy would be insulting to men.

Also can't see the vid you posted due to the access at work. What is your point, or Chris' point?

Lia_lia

Oh yes please!

speedboatchase

NoDice wrote: »

Ya Speedboatchase I said in a few posts after that that rude boy would be insulting to men.

Also can't see the vid you posted due to the access at work. What is your point, or Chris' point?

The point is the quote I edited in after you typed that:

"People always say rap music is misogynistic and degrading to women but what I realised is that women that like rap don't give a **** - if the beat's alright, she will dance all night!"

NoDice

Ya I agree with you Speedboatchase.. Seems like you're arguing with me yet I've already brought up those points.... Also I'm not offended by the songs and I didn't start this thread??

NoDice

speedboatchase wrote: »

The point is the quote I edited in after you typed that:

"People always say rap music is misogynistic and degrading to women but what I realised is that women that like rap don't give a **** - if the beat's alright, she will dance all night!"

Cool just saw that as I posted again. Yeah I'd agree with him. Like that was my point, however not as eloquently as Mr Rock! I didn't say I was offended, I was saying music will be music and as we continue to dance, they contunue to make sales. The people who are complaining are more than likely the people who will start dancing to it.

And it isn't just women who first think "Gosh that's a crude song!" and then start dancing to it, men do it too.

speedboatchase

Vinta81 wrote: »

God I FCUKING LOVE that Jason DeRulo song He's all weplayed over in South Africa. And I'd love to let him make me scream

On topic, they ain't talking about me, if the beat is good I'll dance my socks off.

True nodice, don't see the point myself - personally I think it's a much bigger issue if the content is heavily marketed to children than whether it objectifies either gender.

Also had to quote Vinta81 because either they love Chris Rock or Chris is astoundingly accurate - the whole "he ain't talking about me" argument is a direct quote from the clip I posted

Ps - wasn't arguing with you at all NoDice, sorry if ya thought I was, just quoting you originally to say "that's exactly it"

NoDice

Another song that should be added to this list of dirty yet genius songs imo is FloRida's "Low". I thought it was awesome!!

speedboatchase

Slightly OT perhaps but this verse below is from probably the dirtiest rap song I've ever heard and it's from a WOMAN - Tila Tequila, that annoying MTV reality gremlin. She raps on a song called "I Like to F***" by Young Hot Rod:

I like to **** sexy boys, sexy girls,
I like to **** leather pants, jehri curls,
I like to ****, suck c*ck until I hurl,
I like to **** everybdy in the world

A shot with Tequila gets 'em real hot,
Blow the dozer, ride the hot rod,
Squirt like the wipers on my hot car,
I'ma say "mama sa ma cu sa",
Suckin' on my titties so milky, I get dirty with it I'm so filthy,
Do it like ya wanna make a baby yeah, milf me,
If it ain't yours you can still come and drill me, right?



:eek::eek::eek: I mean seriously

NoDice

speedboatchase wrote: »

True nodice, don't see the point myself - personally I think it's a much bigger issue if the content is heavily marketed to children than whether it objectifies either gender.

Also had to quote Vinta81 because either they love Chris Rock or Chris is astoundingly accurate - the whole "he ain't talking about me" argument is a direct quote from the clip I posted

Yeah again I agree with you. It is a big issue if you involve children but then that debate will branch out into merchandise (PCD's crap for want of a better word and Girls Aloud etc) and so on. Most of these songs aren't marketed towards kids at all, and again I stand by my thought in that that's where the parents come in anyway.

I don't usually go clubbing nor do I buy any hip/hop or rap music btw. Just know these songs from when they do come on tv or radio or he odd time I am in a club. So I'll enjoy the beat and not think too much about thelyrics because they obviously aren't trying to write like Yeats or Shakespeare you know?

Ha, thanks for explaining the vid again.

Going home from work now.. Going to listen to some mindless rubbish on my ipod!

me_right_one

I ****in HATE that song :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

NoDice

speedboatchase wrote: »

Slightly OT perhaps but this verse below is from probably the dirtiest rap song I've ever heard and it's from a WOMAN - Tila Tequila, that annoying MTV reality gremlin. She raps on a song called "I Like to F***" by Young Hot Rod:

I like to **** sexy boys, sexy girls,
I like to **** leather pants, jehri curls,
I like to ****, suck c*ck until I hurl,
I like to **** everybdy in the world

A shot with Tequila gets 'em real hot,
Blow the dozer, ride the hot rod,
Squirt like the wipers on my hot car,
I'ma say "mama sa ma cu sa",
Suckin' on my titties so milky, I get dirty with it I'm so filthy,
Do it like ya wanna make a baby yeah, milf me,
If it ain't yours you can still come and drill me, right?



:eek::eek::eek: I mean seriously

Ha ha ha!!! People find it so hard to embarrass me or make me cringe but that actually made me blush!!! Ha ha gees man that's crazy! She should be locked up.. Although she'd prob like that.... :rolleyes:

ashyle

I think most of us are smart enough to know that these songs get written in under 5 minutes by some junior songwriter on cocaine and aren't intended to convey any real message. Let's just hope young fellahs have the same cop-on!

It's not just modern rap/r'n'b - He Hit Me (it felt like a kiss) - the Crystals - 1962

ashyle

I think most of us are smart enough to know that these songs get written in under 5 minutes by some junior songwriter on cocaine and aren't intended to convey any real message. Let's just hope young fellahs have the same cop-on!

It's not just modern rap/r'n'b - He Hit Me (it felt like a kiss) - the Crystals - 1962

Vinta81

speedboatchase wrote: »

True nodice, don't see the point myself - personally I think it's a much bigger issue if the content is heavily marketed to children than whether it objectifies either gender.

Also had to quote Vinta81 because either they love Chris Rock or Chris is astoundingly accurate - the whole "he ain't talking about me" argument is a direct quote from the clip I posted

Ps - wasn't arguing with you at all NoDice, sorry if ya thought I was, just quoting you originally to say "that's exactly it"

I LOVE Chris Rock. Should of put quotation marks around it :pac:

Novella

Nah, don't find any of that offensive at all really. Even if the lyrics were, "You'll be screaming no", I wouldn't think it was disturbing. Many people do role play in their sex lives, ya know, some people are just turned on by the thought of being forced, by having someone say no etc.

"It's about to get rough for you" - again, no biggie in my book. Some people do like it rough, pleasure is pain, pain is pleasure and all that.

Imo, I don't like the whole, "Oh no, poor women being disrespected" attitude. Gimme a break. If you find it disrespectful, don't listen to it. Some women would probably love to be 'disrespected'. It's just a fantasy. That's what I think anyway.

Orla K

I don't follow any of that kind of music, it's just awful.

I don't care what they say about sex but I can't stand the misogynistic stuff. I can't stand when every woman is a bítch.

What I don't get when they release a song and have it all these words that need to be censored and then they have a whole other album that doesn't annoy anyone and has completely different words. That just seems like they want people talking about them, for the kids yeah we don't follow the rules we swear and for the parents look you can give them the nice cd we're not all bad. (very simple view but I can't help thinking it)


I think alot of music now is kind of meaningless now (not all) by that I mean if the music is good the lyrics are crap and if the lyrics are good it's let down by the music. Maybe it's just that music is no longer made for me (by me I mean I'm not the type of person that people even think about) it's more for club going, wannabe type people. It's not for someone that lives in their own head and probably thinks too much, talks little and is probably turning into a crazy cat lady.

Lia_lia

Orla K wrote: »

I
I think alot of music now is kind of meaningless now

Yeah, but music doesn't have to have meaning.


I absolutely despise chart music these days. I can't comprehend why people willingly download that kind of music and listen to it out of their own free will. If I'm in a club I usually just completely take the piss out if, and for some reason that makes people think I'm enjoying it, ha!

miss5

Rap music can be quite senseless once it rhymes that seems to be the thought
pattern, I have heard some rap music which is very disrespectful towards women,
Most of it is ok though.

Orla K

Lia_lia wrote: »

Yeah, but music doesn't have to have meaning.


I absolutely despise chart music these days. I can't comprehend why people willingly download that kind of music and listen to it out of their own free will. If I'm in a club I usually just completely take the piss out if, and for some reason that makes people think I'm enjoying it, ha!

Music doesn't have to be anything, except music. For me I like it to have some meaning no matter how small, even if it's just a feeling you get from a song or one that you listened to alot at a certain point on your life.

It's more so music that means nothing to be is meaningless.

dotsman

I don't blame rap artists for those lyrics. The fact that they make a lot of money means that a lot of people (men and women) like them.

The funny thing is that if you were to say some rap lyrics aloud in public in a normal voice, you'd probably be arrested.

However, when a pleasant, talented singer sings them clearly (with a quality tune) it's actually pretty hilarious.

Vocals and music: Ben Folds
Original lyrics: Dr Dre and Snoop Dog

Jaxxy

Dedicated to all the pretty girls in the world, and the ugly girls too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xarfMRZ3E0k

Classic ODB. The vast majority of rappers have at some stage rapped about women. And mostly it's highly offensive stuff (with the exception of maybe Will Smith!), that is if you're inclined to take it too seriously. Most of this kind of music can be dismissed as ridiculous. I mean have you ever come across someone in an everyday situation that would speak to you in that manner? I doubt it. And if you did you could get them arrested.

To echo some of the others who have posted before me I mostly don't bother listening to the lyrics of the generic and formulaic pop crap that they churn out on a weekly basis. But if I dig the beat you can bet that I'll be up dancing to it on a night out.

Lia_lia

^ I LOVE that song!

whiteboy

rap is crap:pac:

and jason derulo is just another black artist who sounds like a gazillion other black artists, they all suck so bad.

ashyle

dotsman wrote: »

However, when a pleasant, talented singer sings them clearly (with a quality tune) it's actually pretty hilarious.

Vocals and music: Ben Folds
Original lyrics: Dr Dre and Snoop Dog

reminds me of Nina Gordan's cover of Straight Outta Compton by NWA, actually hilarious cos her voice is so sweet.

fiona-f

I'm not a fan of rap and usually don't specifically listen to the lyrics of any songs anymore but when I hear some rap, I do on occasions feel quite uncomfortable at some of the lyrics. I think it's because I remember as a teenager I would have a few artists that I completely loved and would know all the lyrics of their songs, etc. And so presuming that teenagers nowadays get obsessed with their favourite bands / artists in the same way, I would hate to think of a [hypothetical] child of mine knowing some of the lyrics quoted above. As an adult, I don't spend hours listening to music the way I did when younger and just generally tune out the lyrics but if you paid full attention to some of these songs, they really are shocking in how the portray women, men and sexuality.

vicecreamsundae

it's as much an issue in pop music than rap but anyway.

a lot of music i love, in various genres, has lyrics i find sexist or creepy, but i'd never stop listening to music for that reason. i think it's important to be aware of lyrics like that and think about why it's problematic, but i definitely think you can be critical of something and still enjoy it.

i do worry about younger kids listening to that kind of stuff and not questioning it, and just accepting those attitudes as okay, or cool though.
another reason i think media studies should be part of primary and secondary education..

Nervous Wreck

Excellent parody song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM

Little Acorn

The only time I can recall being offended by a rapper was when snoop dog arrived at mtv awards with two women on dog leashes.I suppose they both agreed to it, so maybe they didn't mind, but I just didn't like the image too much,seemed really degrading-but again maybe they were just into it or got paid a fortune or whatever.
http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://nocureforthat.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/mtv3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://nocureforthat.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/top-10-songs-of-the-2k%25E2%2580%2599s/&usg=__0tber_3zOWR14rl7ephenlU_i_8=&h=400&w=291&sz=30&hl=en&start=3&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=BMLorZ9FQJcyvM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsnoop%2Bdogg%2Bmtv%2Bawards%2B2003%2Bleashes%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1

I really like this song for some reason, always puts me in a sexy dancey mood. The poor boyf has to listen to it, if I decide to put this on in a drunken 4am youtube buzz.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyKDVQjEak

wasssuuup

im not a woman but if ye think thats bad listen to eminem drips...(quite catchy though)

speedboatchase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTtAURFwSg

These gentlemen express a penchant for ladies of the larger persuasion in no uncertain terms

Scoobydoobydoo

I hate all those rap/hip-hop tunes you're talking about - anything I've ever remotely, if ever, liked about any of them has perhaps been the music itself, and even then it's often samples of older tracks by other artists from the eighties or something.

I hate the offensive sexist lyrics/attitude, I think it's pathetic, and Rihanna's Rudeboy falls into this trashy catagory for me also.
For me, rap along with American Idol, tween idols such as Britney, Miley, Justin Bieber and not forgetting the mutli Grammy Award-winning Taylor Swift, have polluted the airwaves with forgettable, talentless, mindless crap.

Though I'd still rather listen to Taylor singing badly about princes and prom dresses and all that twaddle than another tacky blinged up rapper boasting about what he's going to do to his b*tch, while surrounded by lap dancing hoes in his video.

Stacks Mad

I'm a lad and to be honest I get so fxxking mad at hip op songs saying I want to do this and that basically saying that they want to rape women !!
An in the club's there's girls who appears to be respectful' going mad trying to get onto the dance floor to dance to songs like that!!

Why do girls lower themselves to be treated in that way!