Goverment inraged about speech that was not delivered

msg11

As per usual, the goverment not getting there own way wanted to have a decent working person 'removed' from the force, cause his speech which was not even read out was deemed 'an attack on goverment'.

It's nice to read that the Limerick West TD, even notes himself that the goverment have commited a crime.

A Fianna Fáil TD has called for the outgoing president of the Garda Representative Association to be removed from the force for a speech, which was not delivered, in which he planned to attack the Government and Fianna Fáil.

Limerick West TD Niall Collins said Michael O'Boyce should not be accusing the Government of robbery and corruption if he is part of an agency of the State charged with investigating those types of crimes.

Speaking on RTÉ Radio's Late Debate last night, Mr Collins said Mr O'Boyce had overstepped the line and should resign from the force and if not the Garda Commissioner should remove him.
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Meanwhile, the general secretary of the Garda Representative Association has denied that the speech indicates that members of the gardaí are becoming involved in politics.

PJ Stone was speaking after Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern withdrew from his scheduled appearance at the Association's annual conference yesterday, accusing it of crossing the line into politics.

PJ Stone said that Dermot Ahern's office has had Michael O' Boyce's controversial speech since last Friday - but only confirmed that the Minister would not be attending the conference two hours before the speech was due to be delivered.

The GRA insists the comments reflect the views of its members and that it has both the right and a duty to represent them.

I belive we are getting closer to something sparking off in the public service thats going to be alot worse than strikes at the moment.

Goverment = Cocks'

M5

enraged?

KerranJast

No matter how much of a prick I think Dermot Ahern is, he is right on this one. Gardai must be apolitical. You can call for more resources or ask for pay cuts to be reversed but you cannot overtly critise the Government of the day.

Dyr

KerranJast wrote: »

No matter how much of a prick I think Dermot Ahern is, he is right on this one. Gardai must be apolitical. You can call for more resources or ask for pay cuts to be reversed but you cannot overtly critise the Government of the day.

The gardeey brass haven't been apolitical for a long time, just ask the shinners :eek:

Jumpy

Me fail English? Thats Inrageous.

'goverment'
'inraged'

orourkeda

KerranJast wrote: »

No matter how much of a prick I think Dermot Ahern is, he is right on this one. Gardai must be apolitical. You can call for more resources or ask for pay cuts to be reversed but you cannot overtly critise the Government of the day.

Is it just part time work in security that they are banned from or is it any second job that they cannot do.

eightyfish

msg11 wrote: »

inraged

<snip>

/spelling joke.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

So the OP spelt something wrong, get over it...

Adamcp898

Government crack down on the police and so the spelling police crack down on the little guy

Sanjuro

KerranJast wrote: »

No matter how much of a prick I think Dermot Ahern is, he is right on this one. Gardai must be apolitical. You can call for more resources or ask for pay cuts to be reversed but you cannot overtly critise the Government of the day.

Rubbish. It's about time somebody said something. This government has the country circling the drain and people, no matter what their background or job should use whatever platform they can to express their ideas. I doubt a fuss would be made if the representative stood up and praised the government. Keeping schtumm just because the views are negative remind me of that old Bush-era view of 'You're either with us, or you're against us.'

Liam Byrne

msg11 wrote: »

As per usual, the goverment not getting there own way wanted to have a decent working person 'removed' from the force, cause his speech which was not even read out was deemed 'an attack on goverment'.

That's hilarious!

Garda doesn't read out an "objectionable" speech, and gets criticised for its content.

Willie O'Dea does pass an "objectionable" comment, and Collins & Co vote confidence in him!

More "do I as I say, not as I do" from the current shower of self-interested pricks!

biko

Wow, I like the Garda a bit more now.

Dravokivich

Speaking on RTÉ Radio's Late Debate last night, Mr Collins said Mr O'Boyce had overstepped the line and should resign from the force and if not the Garda Commissioner should remove him.

Giving him 2 choices... quit or get fired... right... and that becasue he's telling you yer shiote at yer job?

KerranJast

Sanjuro wrote: »

Rubbish. It's about time somebody said something. This government has the country circling the drain and people, no matter what their background or job should use whatever platform they can to express their ideas. I doubt a fuss would be made if the representative stood up and praised the government. Keeping schtumm just because the views are negative remind me of that old Bush-era view of 'You're either with us, or you're against us.'

Fine Gael and Labour would have a fit and rightly so.

There's plenty of people tearing strips off the Government as is from the media, the public, the public sector workers, unions etc. The Defenses Forces & the Gardai are supposed to remain neutral on political matters (in public anyway).

Zebra3

Maybe the guards will do the decent thing now and stop driving these c**ts around everywhere.

Sanjuro

KerranJast wrote: »

Fine Gael and Labour would have a fit and rightly so.

There's plenty of people tearing strips off the Government as is from the media, the public, the public sector workers, unions etc. The Defenses Forces & the Gardai are supposed to remain neutral on political matters (in public anyway).

Maybe in normal circumstances. But considering the state of things at the moment, and they're not getting better, they're getting worse, it's up to anyone and everyone to voice their opinions. Patriotism isn't loyalty to a government, it's loyalty to a country, and if a memeber of the Gardai, particularly a high-ranking one wants to state the obvious, so be it. Fair dues to him and hopefully more will come.

eightyfish

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Government crack down on the police and so the spelling police crack down on the little guy

Point taken. Overkill. Edited.

Sanjuro wrote: »

Rubbish. It's about time somebody said something.

I tend to agree, but does anyone have another source for this story rather then the Indo?

TheZohanS

THE PRESIDENT of the Garda’s biggest representative body has made an unprecedented attack on the Government, saying it had been “corrupted” and that Fianna Fáil had been “bought” by developers and bankers.
Michael O’Boyce, the president of the Garda Representative Association (GRA), claimed the Government had mismanaged the wealth of the country for a decade and had allowed the country’s assets to be “plundered and robbed” by bankers and property speculators. “You did this because bankers and speculators have bought your party and in return you have sacrificed the greater good and prosperity of the Irish nation for the benefit of the few. Truly, a Government of national sabotage.”

Source


He wasn't telling lies tbf.

Sykk

Janelle Big Wing wrote: »

So the OP spelt something wrong, get over it...

I lol'd

eightyfish

TheZohan wrote: »

Source

However, Mr Ahern decided not to attend the conference when he read the address, supplied to him in advance, just before he was about to leave Dublin for Limerick yesterday afternoon.

Mr O’Boyce then decided not to deliver the speech because Mr Ahern was not present to defend himself against the allegations.

Bit of a whitewash, really.

biko

biko wrote: »

Wow, I like the Garda a bit more now.

please think a little deeper about this.


GRA give out about alleged corruption - very unprofessional - they should investigate it and put people behind bars. They were 6 months late gettin into Anglo Irish Bank.

Would they be giving out about this if they had no pay cuts? No way.
Its like legalised bribery, we`ll turn a blind eye once we are paid off but if you cut our pay we`ll squeal

:mad:

eightyfish

Sykk wrote: »

I lol'd

"Spelt" is correct.

TheZohanS

Deleted User wrote: »

please think a little deeper about this.


GRA give out about alleged corruption - very unprofessional - they should investigate it and put people behind bars. They were 6 months late gettin into Anglo Irish Bank.

Would they be giving out about this if they had no pay cuts? No way.
Its like legalised bribery, we`ll turn a blind eye once we are paid off but if you cut our pay we`ll squeal

:mad:

Please think a little deeper about this.

As an elected public representative should the Minister not have turned up to face the criticism and answer any allegations and questions put to him?

I think so.

TheZohan

TheZohan wrote: »

Please think a little deeper about this.

As an elected public representative should the Minister not have turned up to face the criticism and answer any allegations and questions put to him?

I think so.

The correct place for those to answer corruption is in court. Now join the dots

TheZohanS

Deleted User wrote: »

The correct place for those to answer corruption is in court. Now join the dots

I agree, and they only way these people will be brought to court is if we make as much noise as possible and use every single opportunity we can to air the fact that we are not happy and want justice.

Michale O'Boyce should be commended.

TheZohan

TheZohan wrote: »

Michale O'Boyce should be commended.

O Boyce has damaged any future court case there could of been.
Of course he probably never planned on investigating any of it rather he just wanted to give out.

He would be willingly bought. Useless windbag he should go and DO something

Bosco boy

The truth hurts and the government dont want to hear it, Dermot Ahern will eventually have to repair relations with the gardai as he will be working closely with them as a solicitor when he gets dumped out of government after the next election.

TheNog

msg11 wrote: »

As per usual, the goverment not getting there own way wanted to have a decent working person 'removed' from the force, cause his speech which was not even read out was deemed 'an attack on goverment'.

It's nice to read that the Limerick West TD, even notes himself that the goverment have commited a crime.



I belive we are getting closer to something sparking off in the public service thats going to be alot worse than strikes at the moment.

Goverment = Cocks'

This is nothing more than an attempt at censorship. The Government know the road ahead will be a very difficult one and some from the Public or Private sectors may even go Greek in their protests/riots. Who will the Government be looking to then to keep/restore public order?

The Government can either shut the GRA up or appease them and the public wont stand for appeasement. Rock and a hard place.....

skelliser

Full Speech:

"I welcome you to the 32nd Annual Delegate Conference of the Garda Representative Association. I accept your non-attendance last year was due to circumstances beyond your control, but was disappointed you did not make greater effort to fulfil our invitation to attend the conference dinner.

At conference last year I called for the embargo on promotions to be lifted. I thank the Minister for Finance for heeding the call and I’m glad to say that practically all the members of the Garda Representative Association who should have been promoted last year now are.

At conference last year I said, “This government is driving experience out of An Garda Síochána. A rising number of members of all ranks who could and who want to continue to serve this country are considering retirement.” Sadly my words proved to be correct. In one garda division alone, numbers are down by 20 in recent months.

At conference last year I spoke about the mothballing of the Garda College. Disgracefully, there are no students in the college – for the first time in its history. Due to government policy there will be no students in the Garda College for a long time to come. An Garda Síochána is contracting by the direct action of the government; experience is being driven out and no new blood coming in. This is pushing the Force to the brink of disaster.

An effective police force needs continuity, a principle tried and tested the world over but ignored in Ireland. In these uncertain times the public needs to know that there will be adequate frontline gardaí for them. Garda numbers will fall again by the end of 2010. The people of Ireland should rightly demand garda recruitment is taken away from government because it is misused as an election gimmick. It is far too important for that. The Garda Representative Association will continue to campaign for an end to this obnoxious trick.

For the past year and a half, gardaí and other public sector workers have endured an unrelenting, distasteful and vitriolic attack from the government and their wealthy cronies. This was distasteful and unbelievable considering the role garda take in society. It most definitely verged on incitement to hatred. The attacks were orchestrated to demonise and marginalise public sector workers. They were designed to drive a wedge between public and private sector workers.

But the ancient tactic of divide and conquer did not succeed, except with those misguided souls who contact daytime radio talk shows. They were primed to deflect attention away from the ‘national saboteurs’.

We are angry, we have been betrayed and we are disillusioned. But I do not believe it is yet understood just how angry we are. And that anger will find an outlet, the anger that we feel will find its target.

We are angry at being portrayed as self-serving, overpaid, under-worked and dishonest people with overly generous pensions that we don’t pay for. Yes, there are public servants who fit into that category; they are represented by you and your colleagues, not us.

We are angry that we, our children and our children’s children have been sacrificed by this government to protect the people who bankrolled your party and robbed the Irish People. Men like Fingers and Seanie were held up by government as examples of entrepreneurial skill and business acumen but who were nothing more than ‘gombeen’ men.

We are angry at the arrogance of a government corrupted by years of power has lost touch with the reality of life on a modest salary; if they ever knew it at all. A government whose only agenda is to protect the economic traitors.

We are angry at being lectured by government on the need to be patriotic. A patriot is ‘a person who vigorously supports his country and its way of life.’ This government is misusing what it means to be Irish as they support a new aristocracy created in their image. This new aristocracy chooses whether to retain state pensions while still working as public representatives, using all means to spend vast resources on the few, while taking pay from the majority. This government have created a new class system; one that does not value our service and dedication.

We are angry about NAMA. No, not the entity set up by government to bail out developers and speculators who reneged on their debts, the cost of which you have placed on the shoulders of generations of Irish workers to come. Yes, we are angry about that, but, I am talking about the NAMA that the government is, The National Assets Mismanagement Agency.

The government of which you are a long serving member has mismanaged the wealth of this country for more than a decade by allowing our assets to be plundered and robbed by bankers and speculators and you are making generations of Irish workers pay the price for this treachery. You did this because bankers and speculators have bought your party, and in return you have sacrificed the greater good and prosperity of the Irish Nation for the benefit of the few – the few who have now taken their ill-gotten gains and secured them in tax haven around the world. Truly, a government of national sabotage.

In the face of the unwarranted attack by the government on the workers and unemployed of this country the Garda Representative Association has stood head and shoulders above other trade unions. We have shown leadership, temerity, tenaciousness and courage. We have lead from the front.

The Central Executive Committee picketed Dáil Eireann. No government minister or TD had the courage to come out and meet us. We led 4,000 of our members on a march to the Dáil. Once again no government minister had the courage to come out to us. We joined the 24/7 Frontline Services Alliance. No minister had the courage to tell us we shouldn’t be part of that alliance. They knew the answer that we would have given them.

On the 7th December 2009 we announced that we were going to ballot our members on industrial action. I have no doubt the announcement saved our allowances from the hatchet.

You Minister came out fighting, saying you were going to arrest and jail the CEC, and forgetting that you hadn’t the power. Then you threatened to seize the assets of the GRA; believing your own frenzy you went on to threaten to arrest the printers and the postal workers. As we know none of this happened – except the issuing of the ballot.

What the GRA said we would do, we did. What you, Minister, said you wouldn’t allow, you couldn’t stop.

An ‘away win’ for the Garda Representative Association.

The GRA has now set forth on a course to become a full trade union. Minister, you have said that we will never achieve that status. That is the second leg. And when, in the near future, the GRA achieves trade union status, it will be the home win."

Finally someone has said it like it is.
The more people that read this the better.

PeterIanStaker

Nail on head. Fair play to O'Boyce.

F*** Ahern and f*** the lot of them

msg11

Janelle Big Wing wrote: »

So the OP spelt something wrong, get over it...

Thanks, I am not too good at spelling. Never said I was either too the people taking the piss, and the cought medicine got to my head too.

Just wanted to say that little piece. Yiz, Grammer nazi bastards.

mike65

Stupid bogger Garda, paid spectacuarly well by the state to catch criminals not pontificate about Fianna Fail

PeterIanStaker

Fianna Fáil = Criminals

TheNog

mike65 wrote: »

Stupid bogger Garda, paid spectacuarly well by the state to catch criminals not pontificate about Fianna Fail

- So we are not allowed to strike,
- we are not allowed to go about our personal lives without fear of investigation from GSOC,
- we are not allowed to have bad debts


and now


- we are not allowed to have an opinion


we do live in a democracy dont we?

is there anything in that statement which you consider untrue?

mike65

No! Why do the cops think they have some special place to sound off?

Dyr

TheNog wrote: »

- So we are not allowed to strike,
- we are not allowed to go about our personal lives without fear of investigation from GSOC,
- we are not allowed to have bad debts


and now


- we are not allowed to have an opinion


we do live in a democracy dont we?

is there anything in that statement which you consider untrue?

You were allowed to tell the govt what was and wasn't going to be allowed in the GFA.

You were allowed to go on pseudo strike.

We live in a democracy alright but we live in one where thing's like the right of assembly and the right to silence among others civil liberties have been taken away from people for the benefit of the gardai. If you want to start bleating about democracy it's a bit bleedin' late.

mikom

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

mike65

mikom, if you think we live in Nazi Germany then you should get out more! (Godwins Law rule to be invoked, anyone?)

DubMedic

mike65 wrote: »

No! Why do the cops think they have some special place to sound off?

Shouldn't everybody have a place to air their concerns, regardless of who they are employed by?.

Samba

Janelle Big Wing wrote: »

So the OP spelt something wrong, get over it...

I'm still waiting for the day where I see someone point out the error and then actually contribute to the thread.

Mal-Adjusted

mike65 wrote: »

mikom, if you think we live in Nazi Germany then you should get out more! (Godwins Law rule to be invoked, anyone?)

no.

mikon made an appropriate analogy. deal with it.

mikom

mike65 wrote: »

mikom, if you think we live in Nazi Germany then you should get out more!

mike65
Posts: 54,029

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TheNog

mike65 wrote: »

No! Why do the cops think they have some special place to sound off?

No special place here, just the right to speak ones mind. If no one had that then boards.ie wouldnt exist.

Also you havent answered my other question. Is there anything in that speech which is untrue?

Bambi wrote: »

You were allowed to tell the govt what was and wasn't going to be allowed in the GFA.

Isnt every other union or representative body?

Why is it that people say "why do Gardai think they are special?" when at the same time we are told pretty much "to put up or shut up".

Are Gardai considered special in that we cannot have our rep body recognised as a union? Why cant we have a our say?


Smacks of censorship to me tbh.

You were allowed to go on pseudo strike.

We didnt go on any pseudo strike. A withdrawal of goodwill by not using our own mobile phones alright during work or when off duty.

We live in a democracy alright but we live in one where thing's like the right of assembly and the right to silence among others civil liberties have been taken away from people for the benefit of the gardai. If you want to start bleating about democracy it's a bit bleedin' late.

If you can show me one instance of the right to assembly or to right to silence being taken away for the benefit of Gardai then I will actually eat my cap when Im back in work. Trust me its quite dirty and needs washing

mike65

TheNog wrote: »

No special place here, just the right to speak ones mind. If no one had that then boards.ie wouldnt exist.

Also you havent answered my other question. Is there anything in that speech which is untrue?

The truth or otherwise is irrelevant, when you sign up to serve the state you serve the state. Keep the political rhetoric until after you've retired (I doubt the incoming GRA president is thinking too highly of Michael O’Boyce right now).

In countries where the police start getting political its usually a good idea to buy a crash hat.

Mal-Adjusted

mike65 wrote: »

The truth or otherwise is irrelevant, when you sign up to serve the state you serve the state. Keep the political rhetoric until after you've retired (I doubt the incoming GRA president is thinking too highly of Michael O’Boyce right now).

In countries where the police start getting political its usually a good idea to buy a crash hat.

as another poster said, you serve the state, not whatever party is in charge for the time being! there's nothing wrong with voicing concerns about inept politicians as long as there's no garda strike or anything... and since when is the truth irrelevant!? :eek:

TheNog

mike65 wrote: »

The truth or otherwise is irrelevant, when you sign up to serve the state you serve the state. Keep the political rhetoric until after you've retired (I doubt the incoming GRA president is thinking too highly of Michael O’Boyce right now).

In countries where the police start getting political its usually a good idea to buy a crash hat.

In other EU countries none of them have cut the pay of any of their ES. During the UK recession in the Thatcher era she actually had the foresight to increase the wage of the Police Forces there before any of the riots took place.

You said:

when you sign up to serve the state you serve the state

at what cost? If the government told me they are going to pay me in partial with food stamps. Am I supposed to put up or shut up?

Its a ridiculous arguement you are making.

FlutterinBantam

msg11 wrote: »

Thanks, I am not too good at spelling. Never said I was either too the people taking the piss, and the cought medicine got to my head too.

Just wanted to say that little piece. Yiz, Grammer nazi bastards.

Sweet jeebus!!

What the fcuck have we got here?

Lad makes a show of himself and then puts the boot in?

Tsk tsk tsk tsk.

limklad

biko wrote: »

Wow, I like the Garda a bit more now.

Agree, they should arrest the government for robbing us blind with pensions while still working and expensive expenses and god know what else is lurking under the covers that we cannot see.

mike65

TheNog wrote: »

at what cost? If the government told me they are going to pay me in partial with food stamps. Am I supposed to put up or shut up?

Its a ridiculous arguement you are making.

If I play along with your foolish notion of paying with food stamps, you quit.

limklad

Zebra3 wrote: »

Maybe the guards will do the decent thing now and stop driving these c**ts around everywhere.

More precisely, go on a go slow drive, so the politicians will not legally robs us as bad as they are now with extravagant expenses without receipts and justification for their trips (not a holiday binge on tax payers money).