Irish Citizenship

ronaldoshaky

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

cson

Ah, nothing like a good foreigner bashing thread to while away the evening.

Kasabian

Maybe they shoud be made to join the British army to prove they love all things irish :rolleyes:


Is AH predomintently frequented by racists ?

Nodin

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years.
.

Bit long.

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

They should also be fluent in the Irish language,
.

Theres insufficient native born Irish fluent to make that a reasonable requirement.

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

They're already required to keep a clean sheet re the courts.
"satisfactory contribution" is too vague. You'd have to outline specific measurable standards and goals.

Hazys

Myself personally should have my citzenship taking off me so...

Resident here for 25 years: FAIL only 23 years
Fluent in the Irish language: FAIL only a B in LC Pass Irish
Exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society: FAIL Im the biggest whinger about all things Irish of the lot

Delirium

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

sounds like a lot of citizenships are going to be revoked.

Latchy

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

Considering a large % of the Irish population themselfs arent fluent in the language ? .Might be a problem there .

El Weirdo

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

Plenty of people born here that wouldn't qualify under them rules.

Paddy Samurai

At the very least they should speak English(most irish people can't speak irish).They should only get citzenship if they have contributed to the country(ie worked for 10 years in Ireland).
Also they should have to pass an exam on basic history/knowledge of Ireland.

Mint Sauce

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

if that was the case most of the people born here wouldn't be entitled to it either

:rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

25 years is way too long for any citizenship requirement. People born in Ireland can't hold an anyway decent conversation in Irish even after 14 years of schooling and what counts as a satisfactory contribution anyway?

smellslikeshoes

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

Sorry but that's hilarious

SoulTrader

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

I'd say about a quarter of our Irish population haven't lived here for 25 years and can't speak fluent Irish.

Stephentlig

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

Yeah lets make sure they truly value their citizenship by making them do the riverdance or something :rolleyes:

Stephentlig

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Sorry but that's hilarious

IMHO the only reason we are not all in a mental institute is because there are too many of us :pac:

Caoimhín

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

. They should also be fluent in the Irish language.

Why? Most Irish people cant speak or understand it.

eightyfish

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

Are you serious?

EDIT: I don't mean to be sarcastic. Do you actually think that new citizens should speak fluent Irish and have lived here for a quarter century? Does that not sound slightly xenophobic to you?

Nodin

SoulTrader wrote: »

I'd say about a quarter of our Irish population haven't lived here for 25 years and can't speak fluent Irish.

....and there's a smaller percent who can't speak fluently in any shaggin language.....

Donny5

SoulTrader wrote: »

I'd say about a quarter of our Irish population haven't lived here for 25 years and can't speak fluent Irish.

According to the CSO, about 20% of the population are 14 or younger (2008 figures), and 90% are not fluent in Irish. I don't know the overlap between the two groups, but it seems that, in 2008, at least, only about 459,000 of the population would meet ronaldoshaky's criteria.

Latchy

Stephentlig wrote: »

IMHO the only reason we are not all in a mental institute is because there are too many of us :pac:

Funniest quote I have heard in a while :pac:

marco_polo

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

Sh* t where am I supposed to hand mine back?

Archeron

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, .

What, and give them another language they can slag us in at the pub without us understanding?
No thanks, I'm still getting to grips with Urdu curse words, I dont need to add yet another language to my long long list.

Still at least if anyone DOES tell me to "Tattay chooso", I can look aptly offended.

dlofnep

Be willing to work hard and contribute to society in a positive manner. Have a respect for their resident country. Other than that, I'm indifferent.

j1smithy

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

25 years? WTF?! And being able to speak Irish? by making such demanding qualifications, most Irish people wouldn't qualify for citizenship, if it had to apply to them.

I do think a strong command of the english language should be part of citizenship requirements and possibly for work permits too. It would help prevent segregation and ghettoisation.

Stephentlig

Latchy wrote: »

Funniest quote I have heard in a while :pac:

Courtesy of Fr.Anthony De Mello, Jesuit priest who's book ''Awareness'' is worth reading whether your a believer or non believer, its quite a funny and shocking book to say the least. :pac::D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbRHqqVYEU&feature=related

starbelgrade

My criteria for allowing foreign nationals to gain Irish Citizenship;

1. They must be able to speak English in at least 4 different Irish accents, one of them as if they were native, the other 3 as if they were accents from another country (like a Dub trying to do a Cork accent, but sounding more like they are from India).

2. They must suport the Irish football team, plus an English premiership team, but hate the English national squad.

3. They musn't be able to sing more than the first line of the national anthem & the one at the end.

4. They must like chips.

5. They must be able to drink their own body weight and still fit in a kebab / burger.

6. They must know who are the worst political party in the country, so when it comes to election time, they can vote them back in.

7. They must have an strong opinion on Michael O'Leary. No fence sitting allowed.

8. They must never have full body tans. Farmers tan or nothing.

And for the sheer hell of it, I would make them do the following...

9. Die their hair red

and

10. Sign them up to Boards.ie


In my book, you gotta make a great effort to integrate yourself into the community of Irishness. For far too long we've been hading out passports willy-nilly. It's high time we made them step up to the mark.

20Cent

Not too concerned with foreign nationals but its the fake ass Irish I would take citizenship off.
Denis Caribbean O'Brien, "Sir" Tony and all of U2 etc etc

dlofnep

starbelgrade wrote: »

My criteria for allowing foreign nationals to gain Irish Citizenship;

1. They must be able to speak English in at least 4 different Irish accents, one of them as if they were native, the other 3 as if they were accents from another country (like a Dub trying to do a Cork accent, but sounding more like they are from India).

2. They must suport the Irish football team, plus an English premiership team, but hate the English national squad.

3. They musn't be able to sing more than the first line of the national anthem & the one at the end.

4. They must like chips.

5. They must be able to drink their own body weight and still fit in a kebab / burger.

6. They must know who are the worst political party in the country, so when it comes to election time, they can vote them back in.

7. They must have an strong opinion on Michael O'Leary. No fence sitting allowed.

8. They must never have full body tans. Farmers tan or nothing.

And for the sheer hell of it, I would make them do the following...

9. Die their hair red

and

10. Sign them up to Boards.ie


In my book, you gotta make a great effort to integrate yourself into the community of Irishness. For far too long we've been hading out passports willy-nilly. It's high time we made them step up to the mark.

This post is full of win.

AnonoBoy

If you invest in a dog food company that should be enough to get you Irish citizenship.

the_syco

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

How many Irish scumbags can we depot for not having the above? :pac:

Donny5

the_syco wrote: »

How many Irish scumbags can we depot for not having the above? :pac:

You can deport me. I'm fluent in Irish and have made a slightly more positive than negative contribution to society, but I'm not 25....

InTheTrees

I would have thought a few hundred posts on here would be sufficient qualification.

El Siglo

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

After noticing that some countries dont give out citizenship to foreign nationals, what worries me is that perhaps we should make rules that ensure that foreign nationals living here truly value Irish citizenship when they apply for it. What should be the criteria for gaining Irish citizenship?

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

I've been here for 21 years,
All I can manage in Irish is please and thank you,
I take from society (I'm in college).

Guess that's me fucked, anyone else want to join me in Nigeria?
My dead, rich German uncle has hoarded cash on behalf of the King and I was informed by Dr. Jacob Mbuzeki that if I lodge $100,000 into the Central Bank of Nigeria I get to keep 10% of the King's wealth.

InTheTrees

El Siglo wrote: »

Guess that's me fucked, anyone else want to join me in Nigeria?
My dead, rich German uncle has hoarded cash on behalf of the King and I was informed by Dr. Jacob Mbuzeki that if I lodge $100,000 into the Central Bank of Nigeria I get to keep 10% of the King's wealth.

They have lovely weather I'm told...

El Siglo

InTheTrees wrote: »

They have lovely weather I'm told...

Yes and a top notch police service as well...

ejmaztec

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

A load of Bollocks.

fyp

ItisintheSTARS

cson wrote: »

Ah, nothing like a good foreigner bashing thread to while away the evening.

Respect for the people who created the culture of any country is a requirement of a civilised person.The idea that I can go off and take or demand from any culture,shows a profound ignorance of how things work in the long term .
I can see that some of the shallow people here do not deserve any kind of culture ,but a trash one .
Why is it foreigner bashing to ask that people merit being an Irish citizen ?
When Ireland is such a generous country to strangers ,many who have no historic relationship with her at all ,you may ask ,do they come because they appreciate the culture ,the people, or is it just a rather cynical
parasitism . There is no way that I would consider it moral to go to a country and expect any thing at all.
If people like Ireland and her culture they will be patient. Learning a little Irish ,but not fluency ,because so many already are not fluent,shows respect,and a bit of history would be good too.
You have some growing up to do ,and of history.You are
too ready to criticise your own ,and your comment is worthless.

ItisintheSTARS

20Cent wrote: »

Not too concerned with foreign nationals but its the fake ass Irish I would take citizenship off.
Denis Caribbean O'Brien, "Sir" Tony and all of U2 etc etc

Good or bad they are Irish,thats the point of blood ,it's thicker than water.
So unless they have proved to be total 'traitors 'to a foriegn enemy
they cannot be .
And of course ALL foreign Nationals are good and useful.
What a .... you are. Standing on your head ,as the French would say.

ItisintheSTARS

Stephentlig wrote: »

Courtesy of Fr.Anthony De Mello, Jesuit priest who's book ''Awareness'' is worth reading whether your a believer or non believer, its quite a funny and shocking book to say the least. :pac::D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbRHqqVYEU&feature=related

HE died ,that is De Mello ,of a heart attack,soon after he wrote that book.
He got it a bit wrong .
He thought that loyalty to anyone was being 'possessive', but he was wrong.He got mixed up with loyalty ,and ownership,he was too detached,
too afraid of commitment of any kind .

starbelgrade

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

Sorry, did someone say something?

Stephentlig

ItisintheSTARS wrote: »

HE died ,that is De Mello ,of a heart attack,soon after he wrote that book.
He got it a bit wrong .
He thought that loyalty to anyone was being 'possessive', but he was wrong.He got mixed up with loyalty ,and ownership,he was too detached,
too afraid of commitment of any kind .

Perhaps you should take a look at the stalkers thread :pac:

L.Jenkins

cson wrote: »

Ah, nothing like a good foreigner bashing thread to while away the evening.

Thought we had one of those already, namely Romanian beggers.

Jumpy

ItisintheSTARS wrote: »

Respect for the people who created the culture of any country is a requirement of a civilised person.The idea that I can go off and take or demand from any culture,shows a profound ignorance of how things work in the long term .
I can see that some of the shallow people here do not deserve any kind of culture ,but a trash one .
Why is it foreigner bashing to ask that people merit being an Irish citizen ?
When Ireland is such a generous country to strangers ,many who have no historic relationship with her at all ,you may ask ,do they come because they appreciate the culture ,the people, or is it just a rather cynical
parasitism . There is no way that I would consider it moral to go to a country and expect any thing at all.
If people like Ireland and her culture they will be patient. Learning a little Irish ,but not fluency ,because so many already are not fluent,shows respect,and a bit of history would be good too.
You have some growing up to do ,and of history.You are
too ready to criticise your own ,and your comment is worthless.

Please dude, yoghurt probably has more culture than you. Quit this over the top pride stuff, its detrimental to fluent multicultural society.

beagle001

The op is clearly a fool we do appreciate a laugh in these gloomy times please post some more of your ideas

Dravokivich

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

that's me fúcked and I'm a native...

Krusader

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

I think foreign nationals should be resident here for at least 25 years. They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

10 years would be sufficient
At least be fluent in English or Irish
They can't be on the scratch for more than 2 years within that 10 years and have committed no serious crimes

MIN2511

starbelgrade wrote: »

My criteria for allowing foreign nationals to gain Irish Citizenship;

1. They must be able to speak English in at least 4 different Irish accents, one of them as if they were native, the other 3 as if they were accents from another country (like a Dub trying to do a Cork accent, but sounding more like they are from India).

2. They must suport the Irish football team, plus an English premiership team, but hate the English national squad.

3. They musn't be able to sing more than the first line of the national anthem & the one at the end.

4. They must like chips.

5. They must be able to drink their own body weight and still fit in a kebab / burger.

6. They must know who are the worst political party in the country, so when it comes to election time, they can vote them back in.

7. They must have an strong opinion on Michael O'Leary. No fence sitting allowed.

8. They must never have full body tans. Farmers tan or nothing.

And for the sheer hell of it, I would make them do the following...

9. Die their hair red

and

10. Sign them up to Boards.ie


In my book, you gotta make a great effort to integrate yourself into the community of Irishness. For far too long we've been hading out passports willy-nilly. It's high time we made them step up to the mark.

I qualify for all of those...

Where do i get my Irish Passport????

MIN2511

1. Speak English
2. Genuine interest in the Economy; Goverment(Brian Cowen!)
3. Not send all their money home!
4. No dole claims!

OctavarIan

ronaldoshaky wrote: »

They should also be fluent in the Irish language, and have been shown to exhibit a satisfactory contribution to Irish society.

I haven't read the thread so this has probably been said already, but most born Irish citizens can't even do this.

[edit] Yeah it has already been said about 50 times, apologies

El Siglo

MIN2511 wrote: »

1. Speak English
2. Genuine interest in the Economy; Goverment(Brian Cowen!)
3. Not send all their money home!
4. No dole claims!

Where do they send their money then? If they are Irish citizens as you purport based on this set of criteria, then they can't send money to their permanent address (i.e. if Ireland is their home now, where do they their send money)? You're still classing them as foreigners.:rolleyes:
Criteria fail.;)

MIN2511

El Siglo wrote: »

Where do they send their money then? If they are Irish citizens as you purport based on this set of criteria, then they can't send money to their permanent address (i.e. if Ireland is their home now, where do they their send money)? You're still classing them as foreigners.:rolleyes:
Criteria fail.;)

I so totally agree with you!

Red wine