Strong right wing party: would you vote for them?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

A question.

Based on some of the replies to some of the more emotional topics in AH, I'm beginning to think a strong right-wing party would get some votes around here, possibly even seats in government. Also, the way some people throw around the word 'liberal' as if it were some sort of generic insult leads me to believe that conservatism is on the rise.

Now I'm not talking extreme neo-right wing like the Nazis, but a party that would campaign for bringing back the death penalty for serious crimes, introduction of labour camps, extremly strict immigration policies, possibly even cracking down on protests (all of them - public sector and general political protests).

Would you put your moey where your mouth is? Woudl you vote for them? Would you like to see such a party forming part of a coalition in Irish government? Could you see it happening?

Would you be willing to put up with harsher economic times to see it happen?

Kasabian

No

amacachi

No.

MaybeLogic

Yes, yes, I like this idea.
I like the idea of a political party putting prisoners in labour camps, having them mining or something.
You could call it 'The Mine Camp Party'.

phantom_lord

kinda like this?

kippy

What's right wing?
Is there a wrong wing that we've been voting for up till now? It makes sense if so.

Sykk

Nope, sorry.

MaybeLogic

kippy wrote: »

What's right wing?

Fianna Fail/Fine Gael.

landsleaving

I'd rather give birth tbh.

Cheap Thrills!

Nope. Not a chance in hell.

Kasabian

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Fianna Fail/Fine Gael.

A bit liberal in your description in the context of the OP's question aren't you ML.

drdeadlift

Yes im all for it

MaybeLogic

lonad wrote: »

A bit liberal in your description in the context of the OP's question aren't you ML.

Well they are both to the right, AFAIK.
Just not right enough, in this context.

Kasabian

Any chance of a poll , I would be interested to see the results.

phantom_lord

I'd love a right libertarian party. But ireland is too full of pinkos for it to happen.

aDeener

i would. not necessarily with some of those policies you mentioned however

MaybeLogic

lonad wrote: »

Any chance of a poll , I would be interested to see the results.

The polls would be expelled from Ireland under this new party.
No polls.

Kasabian

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Well they are both to the right, AFAIK.
Just not right enough, in this context.

Yes but your post could leave the not so politically astute among us balancing these 2 parties against the extreme context the OP is asking about.

El Siglo

We had this before... Along with this crowd... It doesn't end well.

MaybeLogic

lonad wrote: »

Yes but your post could leave the not so politically astute among us balancing these 2 parties against the extreme context the OP is asking about.

Politically astute?
AH?
Excuse me a sec, I've gone into a momentary trance.

John Lynch Ph.D

Immigration control - Yes

Death Penalty - No

Labour Camps - Certainly

Protest Ban - Its a toughie, people need to protest to feel like they have freedom, trying to stop it would just create a stronger cause I think.

Tougher legislation on striking and union power would be beneficial however.

I would like to see a secular right wing party however, not like America where somewhere along the line right wing policy's became associated with bat **** insane fundamental Christians.


It all depends who's behind the wheel though.

ScumLord

I don't believe in right wing partys, left wing, socialism or capitalism. I think a big problem with government these days is party politics restricting their members to certain viewpoints and avoiding possible solutions because it's not compatible with whats written on some piece of paper somewhere.

A strong right party means they're strongly restricted to a certain point of view, processes and will more than likely make a political decision rather than the correct decision. So no I wouldn't vote for them just because they're strong right wing.

Kasabian

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Politically astute?
AH?
Excuse me a sec, I've gone into a momentary trance.

you know what I meant , don't go into too deep a trance.

Dr. Baltar

http://politicalcompass.org/test

Politics is not diivided by "left-right" divisions any more.
There are both social and Economic Factors.

Extreme Ecomonic Left would Be Communism.
Extreme Economic Right would Essentially be Laissez-faire

Extreme Social Left would be the absense of Law/Minimum Interference by the State in the People's Lives.
Extreme Social Right would be the government attempting to control all parts of people's lives in an Orwellian Fashion.

Personally, I like my markets free, and my life freer.

tony 2 tone

Yes. We can call it the AH party, and give out about ford-in-ers and unions. :P

Jordan Berbatov

The INP has a ring to it alright. Are we talking as far right as the BNP? If so then no,no, no ,no.

dr gonzo

OP you want the Irish National Party? Not sure if thats such a great idea so no i wouldnt vote for them. In saying that some of your ideas are intriguing to me and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Fianna Fail/Fine Gael.

Im not terribly informed about Irish politics but surely they're middle left?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Hmmm.... a lot more nos that I would have though....

By "right", I'm talking economic and social.

Don't know how to ad a poll after a thread has kicked off (should have done at the start, I know - sorry!) - Mod welcome to do so - thanks.

AnonoBoy

I don't want a far right party, I want a far out party.

- "Hey is that, like, your policy document man?
"Yeah bro."
- "Far out."
"I know"

MaybeLogic

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hmmm.... a lot more nos that I would have though....

By "right", I'm talking economic and social.

I must have misread.
I thought you meant labour camps, executions and having an iron fist with regard to public protest.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MaybeLogic wrote: »

I must have misread.
I thought you meant labour camps, executions and having an iron fist with regard to public protest.

Pretty much. Apoligies if I've misinterpreped the social/economic right. More a case of a a party taking a lot of control, espeically in terms of social policy, but leaving people to their own economic devices (including cutting social services and very basic social welfare).

Lux23

MaybeLogic wrote: »

Yes, yes, I like this idea.
I like the idea of a political party putting prisoners in labour camps, having them mining or something.
You could call it 'The Mine Camp Party'.

Excellent.

No I would not for a strong right wing party. I would rather vote Fianna Fail first.

Kasabian

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hmmm.... a lot more nos that I would have though....

By "right", I'm talking economic and social.
Don't know how to ad a poll after a thread has kicked off (should have done at the start, I know - sorry!) - Mod welcome to do so - thanks.

You should clear that up in your OP. Whole other thread .

thirtythirty

If they offered to increase speed limits, pledge that no more unneccesary speedbumps were put on perfectly good roads, and re-distributed a large proportion of traffic garda over to criminal, then yes I would vote for them no matter what their other policies were

phantom_lord

surely people have to be going more right economically? i thought everyone was pissed off at the unions and public service at this stage? surely people have the cop on not vote labour at this juncture?

Kasabian

spottyelephant wrote: »

If they offered to increase speed limits, pledge that no more unneccesary speedbumps were put on perfectly good roads, and re-distributed a large proportion of traffic garda over to criminal, then yes I would vote for them no matter what their other policies were

Did you get a speeding ticket today :pac:

brianthebard

Dr. Baltar wrote: »

http://politicalcompass.org/test

Politics is not diivided by "left-right" divisions any more.
There are both social and Economic Factors.

Eh that was always the case.

Anyways in response to the OP no I wouldn't for them.

Dr. Baltar

brianthebard wrote: »

Eh that was always the case.

Anyways in response to the OP no I wouldn't for them.

Apologies, I meant that to mean "we should not think of politics in simple left-right divisions."

thirtythirty

lonad wrote: »

Did you get a speeding ticket today :pac:

LoL no, never got caught stopped. I tend to drive with one eye on the horizon. But i figure there's much better garda time to be spent policing places other than the blackrock road, dual carriage way, or motorway. What percentage of all traffic travelling on those roads has resulted in death due to speeding? Less than 0.1% i'm willing to bet.

So, right wing activists, if you want my vote - sort out the polizi!

toiletduck

No. Wouldn't vote for a strong left wing party either!

topper75

On the Economy and Law & order, Ireland is crying out for right wing policies.

There is a lot of baggage in the traditional package we could do without though e.g. racism, jingoism, militarism, social strata hegemony etc.

Depends on the personality driving as stated above.

Sergeant

I'd vote for an economically liberal, socially liberal party. A party that would tackle over-arching government regulation, would be in favour of privatisation of all non essential government services, and would minimise the attractiveness of living an existence courtesy of the welfare state.
But a party that would imprison people for protesting? Absolutely not.

speedboatchase

Gun Control - Not sure
Tougher Immigration - Yes
Death Penalty - Not Sure
Labour Camps - Yes
More Paycuts for PS - Yes
Forcing Unemployed to work after a certain time - Yes

On the other hand socially I'm fairly liberal, pro-abortion, gay rights etc. I guess I'd vote Libertarian. I'd also get rid of proportional representation

Depends what you mean by "strong" though OP - strong, or extremist? Reagan firing 11,000 striking air traffic trade unionists in the 80s was strong, and also pretty awesome

brianthebard

topper75 wrote: »

On the Economy and Law & order, Ireland is crying out for right wing policies.

No, just a competent government. You think Brian Lenihan hasn't been making right wing type decisions since he came to office?

dsmythy

I think our poll was sent to a labour camp.

Yes, I'd definitely consider should a party. Would have to see what exactly it entails first though before I blindly head to the voting booth. I'd go to a booth of the electronic kind but I think they are serving hard time too.

ScumLord

spottyelephant wrote: »

If they offered to increase speed limits, pledge that no more unneccesary speedbumps were put on perfectly good roads, and re-distributed a large proportion of traffic garda over to criminal, then yes I would vote for them no matter what their other policies were

Traffic guards are completely useless, they do nothing to help the flow of traffic the only thing they do is sit around hoping some speeder will eventually cross their path.

Pride Fighter

phantom_lord wrote: »

surely people have to be going more right economically? i thought everyone was pissed off at the unions and public service at this stage? surely people have the cop on not vote labour at this juncture?

The right wing government of Fianna Fail/PD's from 02-07 and the right wing government of Fianna Fail/Greens for 07- now caused this mess?

What did Labour and the Unions do? Nothing. And remember, the unions were bought off with insane pay rises by Fianna Fail. The last time Labour was in government 1,000 jobs were being created a week and Ireland had its first ever budget surplus with a Labour finance minister.

stovelid

Nah.

Lily-livered, pinko-commie, carin' and sharin', high-taxes for good services, do-gooder, me.

K-9

Pride Fighter wrote: »

What did Labour and the Unions do? Nothing. And remember, the unions were bought off with insane pay rises by Fianna Fail. The last time Labour was in government 1,000 jobs were being created a week and Ireland had its first ever budget surplus with a Labour finance minister.

FF just did what Labour would have done with the Unions. There's a reason FF steal loads of what should be Labour voters.

Anyway, a right wing party could do well here, enough to hold the balance of power.

problemchimp

NOT A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO!

pickarooney

It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the banana republic, anyone can see that surely?