nightmare on elm street 2010

candy-gal1

Im so excited!! Just saw the ad for the new nightmare on elm street coming out soon!! couldnt sleep last night so twas just by chance i turned on the tv and saw! hopefully its not butchered by modern hollywood horrors, its not going to be as good as the original but il be pleasantly surprised if it does.

Magic Eight Ball

candy-gal1 wrote: »

Im so excited!! Just saw the ad for the new nightmare on elm street coming out soon!! couldnt sleep last night so twas just by chance i turned on the tv and saw! hopefully its not butchered by modern hollywood horrors, its not going to be as good as the original but il be pleasantly surprised if it does.

Two words.. Michael Bay!!

speedboatchase

Sorry OP but I know a few and horror fans baffle me. How does anyone think this will magically reverse the trend of horror remakes in the last decade, or stem the crap that comes out of Platinum Dunes (a studio designed ONLY for remakes, ah only in the horror genre eh)? I'll eat my hat if needs be but I reckon this be complete tosh too.

The horror genre is creatively bankrupt and filled with sequels and disappointing remakes. No franchise/classic is untouchable (bar the Shining, hopefully) and it's low-budget, front-loaded box office returns basically explain its business model - get fanboys into a cinema in its first weekend and make your miniscule budget back, then it'll sink like a stone once word of mouth spreads but who cares - you made a profit, greenlight that sequel! Who are these people going to see Saw 7? The movie industry is treating you with complete contempt but you keep showing up?!

The days of accomplished directors (Polanski, De Palma, Kubrick) or actors (Nicholson) going near horror movies is dead and buried yet the genre flounders on (a Scream sequel - the very movie which tried to shake up the genre gets a belated and unwanted sequel ten years after the very industry tore its credibility and creativity with sequelitis?). Gah forgive the rant and maybe Elm Street might be good but if it isn't (it won't be), it's because of enablers like the OP who show up, leave disappointed but have already financed installments 1 and 2 with their tickets :rolleyes:

Magic Eight Ball

speedboatchase wrote: »

No franchise/classic is untouchable (bar the Shining, hopefully)

You mean you haven't heard?

Otis Driftwood

This will probably suck,get used to that idea.

Decuc500

speedboatchase wrote: »

The horror genre is creatively bankrupt and filled with sequels and disappointing remakes.

I wouldn't call the horror genre creatively bankrupt, only the cynical money making part that churns out sequels and remakes for 14 year olds.

I won't list all the good horror movies that I've seen recently (but there have been a few) but if you look beyond the big studio, watered down money makers like Saw whatever and the nasty, unoriginal torture rubbish, then you'll find some real gems.

Kess73

speedboatchase wrote: »

Sorry OP but I know a few and horror fans baffle me. How does anyone think this will magically reverse the trend of horror remakes in the last decade, or stem the crap that comes out of Platinum Dunes (a studio designed ONLY for remakes, ah only in the horror genre eh)? I'll eat my hat if needs be but I reckon this be complete tosh too.

The horror genre is creatively bankrupt and filled with sequels and disappointing remakes. No franchise/classic is untouchable (bar the Shining, hopefully) and it's low-budget, front-loaded box office returns basically explain its business model - get fanboys into a cinema in its first weekend and make your miniscule budget back, then it'll sink like a stone once word of mouth spreads but who cares - you made a profit, greenlight that sequel! Who are these people going to see Saw 7? The movie industry is treating you with complete contempt but you keep showing up?!

The days of accomplished directors (Polanski, De Palma, Kubrick) or actors (Nicholson) going near horror movies is dead and buried yet the genre flounders on (a Scream sequel - the very movie which tried to shake up the genre gets a belated and unwanted sequel ten years after the very industry tore its credibility and creativity with sequelitis?). Gah forgive the rant and maybe Elm Street might be good but if it isn't (it won't be), it's because of enablers like the OP who show up, leave disappointed but have already financed installments 1 and 2 with their tickets :rolleyes:

I think it would be fairer to say that the mainstream horror genre in the English language is generally bankrupt in the creative sense, rather than the entire genre.


I have seen too many good and imaginative horrors from countries like France, Korea, and Spain in recent years to dismiss the entire genre as easily as you seem to have.

Even within the confines of english language horrors, there has been a few gems in recent years that avoid the whole "gore is horror" route and have come up with some inventive films. I would be talking about the likes of Pontypool, and The Dead Outside. Films that relied more on what you did not see to set the tone, and as such forced the imagination to flesh out the storyline and fill the blanks.



You could even throw in the likes of Neil Marshall with both Dog Soldiers and The Descent as good examples of films where some gore was shown but it was not allowed to become the focus of the film.


As for the remake in the thread title. I have a feeling it will be nothing more than homage to the original film, and the trailers that I have seen so far seem to have almost shot for shot remakes of the big kill scenes from the original, so I am expecting a more sadistic Freddy but the same death scenes and the same money shots as in 1984.

candy-gal1

i can see exactly what you mean, and really hope its not another gore = scary crap horror movie! but i have to differ on saying that the same scary scenes from 1984 will be in the 2010 version, i hope so tbh! i really want to see it as this was one of my favourite horror movies which i missed out on seeing in the cinema, i was born two years l8r lol so if its almost the same as the 84 version i dont think il be disapointed.

DingosAteMyBaby

I think it looks promising:) I'm definitely gonna go see it, hopefully it wont be shooiiiiiite:D

jaykhunter

i guess it's important to keep your hopes low; that way you can never be disappointed

Trailer was looking pretty awesome until the stock douchebag teens came in :pac::pac:

Kess73

candy-gal1 wrote: »

i can see exactly what you mean, and really hope its not another gore = scary crap horror movie! but i have to differ on saying that the same scary scenes from 1984 will be in the 2010 version, i hope so tbh! i really want to see it as this was one of my favourite horror movies which i missed out on seeing in the cinema, i was born two years l8r lol so if its almost the same as the 84 version i dont think il be disapointed.

I see where you are coming from with wanting the same death scenes, but for me it spoils the film a bit if I know the way the person dies in advance and can tell the scene ending before it starts. But for a younger generation or anyone who never saw the original, there would be no sense of deja vu.


I think they would have been better served by not showing snippets of three of the deaths in teasers/trailers, and I really hope the ending that was mooted for this version gets changed

Seems the

being pulled back in through the door window ending was shot for the new film as well, but did not test so well, so a new ending may be used.

Jackie Earle Haley has also confirmed in an interview that he has signed on to be in the remake of A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge, so it seems they are looking at remaking at least one of the sequels.

What really had me rolling my eyes was a comment that there may be a future plan to remake the Freddy vs Jason film from 2003. Using the "new" Freddy and the "new" Jason.

candy-gal1

ah no that freddy vs jason was meant to be crap back in 2003! :eek:
oh coolo! well at least the sequel could be cool too, hopefully they do dream warriors too!:D

podgemonster

I think this is something I'd download, give it a chance or switch it off after a half hour.

The remake of Friday 13th was simply awful, i don't have very high expectations for this.

Otis Driftwood

:mad:

candy-gal1 wrote: »

ah no that freddy vs jason was meant to be crap back in 2003! :eek:

It was.

candy-gal1 wrote: »

oh coolo! well at least the sequel could be cool too, hopefully they do dream warriors too!:D

The fact that a sequel has already been green lit says it all really.

The original sequel is pretty crappy,Dream Warriors isnt a bad entry,the rest (with the exception of New Nightmare) are bull spit of the highest calibre.

However they will get made,dopes will go see them and lap them up,more sequels will follow,rinse and repeat.

Big budget horror is dead,even a legend like George Romero has turned to mush.I genuinely cannot remember the last big studio horror that I enjoyed,its just been wave after wave of crap remakes.

:mad:

candy-gal1

nedtheshed wrote: »

:mad:
It was.



The fact that a sequel has already been green lit says it all really.

The original sequel is pretty crappy,Dream Warriors isnt a bad entry,the rest (with the exception of New Nightmare) are bull spit of the highest calibre.

However they will get made,dopes will go see them and lap them up,more sequels will follow,rinse and repeat.

Big budget horror is dead,even a legend like George Romero has turned to mush.I genuinely cannot remember the last big studio horror that I enjoyed,its just been wave after wave of crap remakes.

:mad:

ah great didnt miss much with the freddy vs jason then!

candy-gal1

podgemonster wrote: »

I think this is something I'd download, give it a chance or switch it off after a half hour.

The remake of Friday 13th was simply awful, i don't have very high expectations for this.

lol i actually did think this was quite good tbh

DingosAteMyBaby

I didnt like the original ending and (dont kill me) I didnt like the original that much. Havent seen it in years now though so I cant really remember! Freddie is one of the best horror movie characters but I remember thinking they could've made it a lot scarier and less.. cheesy! Same with most 80's horrors I suppose. Hopefully the remake wont be as the Halloween one. They should never have touched the original. With N.O.E.S I'm hoping they make Freddie as terrifying as possible.

unreggd

candy-gal1 wrote: »

lol i actually did think this was quite good tbh

I liked it too

Its a mindless hollywood slasher horror

Its a jumpy cheese fest, thats what I like!


Ive mixed feelins abt the NOES remake

Freddy doesnt seem too scary, in fact, the film seems sympathetic against him, whereas Rob "Pizza face" Englund looked proper evil

Still, Ill defo be seein it

PrettyBoy

Looking forward to seeing this myself. Not expecting a masterpiece but it should be a decent watch.

evolutionqy7

hehe cant wait surprisingly it has never scared me cause i used to fall asleep watchin it when i was young but i always liked it

GoWithTheFlow

candy-gal1 wrote: »

i can see exactly what you mean, and really hope its not another gore = scary crap horror movie! but i have to differ on saying that the same scary scenes from 1984 will be in the 2010 version, i hope so tbh! i really want to see it as this was one of my favourite horror movies which i missed out on seeing in the cinema, i was born two years l8r lol so if its almost the same as the 84 version i dont think il be disapointed.

I'd say a remake of the first story would be good. Although a classic, the first film looks dated by today's standards

iSeeStars

Yea it Looks Fantastic , i Havent Seen The Origional , Woulld Yas Reccomend i Watch I Old One First? (:

mudokon

I just watched the trailer for this now & it looks good but the involvement of Michael Bay doesnt fill me full of confidence in it. Also Samuel Bayer (the director) has a lot to live up to as this is his first feature film.

The vocals on Freddy's song where much creepier in the original.

iSeeStars wrote: »

Yea it Looks Fantastic , i Havent Seen The Origional , Woulld Yas Reccomend i Watch I Old One First? (:

Definitely watch the original first, that way if the remake doesnt come up to scratch at least it wont have ruined the original for you. Not sure where you are located but if you are in Cork you cant get a 2 disk version of the original from Directors cut for €4.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/nigh...m_street_2010/

Oh dear,6% on Rotten tomatoes

"With both "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and this film, they've managed to take movies of real weight and substance, movies that stand above the rest of the genre precisely because of how perfectly they blend theme and style and real fear, and they've turned them into MTV videos. Slick, soulless, overly stylized MTV videos.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-...-on-elm-street

Ebert: 1 star

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...IEWS/100429976

Otis Driftwood

They will still make a buttload of money though,thats the problem.These movies appeal to the lowest common denominator,slack jawed brain dead yokels and unfortunatly they make up a huge percentile of the movie going public so are only too happy to spend their money going to see this type of sheite.

unreggd

nedtheshed wrote: »

They will still make a buttload of money though,thats the problem.These movies appeal to the lowest common denominator,slack jawed brain dead yokels and unfortunatly they make up a huge percentile of the movie going public so are only too happy to spend their money going to see this type of sheite.

Seriously, why do you think you have the right to be condescending towards people for liking films you don't like

please stop giving your opinions as fact

I see that a lot of reviewers who are fans of the genre are giving it respectable enough reviews though most seem to think that they make Freddy too evil. In the original films we are never shown Freddy's crimes but in the remake it appears that his child molestation/murder is depicted and as such makes him a truly horrid villian whom the audience can't root for.

I don't mind remakes as they can often be quite entertaining and introduce the original to a far wider audience. I found Dawn of the Dead and Texas Chainsaw to be very effective and in some ways surpassed the originals. The Nightmare remake seems to be one which tried to do soemthing different with the source material and is supposedly dragged down by three iconic scenes from the original.

Nightmare has done spectacular business debuting at number 1 and while the purist in me would like to see a film such as Pontypool, End of the Line, House of the Devil or The Burrowers in that position, I also recognise that were it not for successful main stream horror such as Nightmare then the smaller horror films would not exist.

People constantly moan about the death of the horror genre and complain that only foreign cinema is producing quality original material but that's complete bull. There is plenty of great horror cinema coming out of the States and is easily accessable on DVD for those willing to take the time to look.

jaykhunter

w/r/t the new Freddy film; surely it's a step in the right direction having the main antagonist guy be hated? I always feel a bit cheated rooting for the bad guy to kill off the douchebag sexy teens! He's supposed to be heel, not a rapping parody/joke of a villain!

With regards to remakes and foreign films, totally agree, really well said man.

jaykhunter

jaykhunter wrote: »

w/r/t the new Freddy film; surely it's a step in the right direction having the main antagonist guy be hated? I always feel a bit cheated rooting for the bad guy to kill off the douchebag sexy teens! He's supposed to be heel, not a rapping parody/joke of a villain!

There's a difference between suggesting that your bad guy was child killer and showing that he was. In the audiences eye this makes him a truly deplorable character and one who deserves to die. In all these franchise horrors, we root for the guy with the big knife not the brain dead teens whose deaths are generally a result of their own stupidity.

No one watches slashers film in an attempt to identify with the victims, the killer in these films is the person we root for. There are the few exceptions to the rule, the Phantasm films do a magnificant job of making you root for the heros while at the same time never reducing the Tall Man into a wise cracking caricature.

indough

i dont see the problem with making him unlikable, much better than just churning out anther cookie cutter slasher film where you instantly want everyone but the antagonist to die

indough

indough wrote: »

i dont see the problem with making him unlikable, much better than just churning out anther cookie cutter slasher film where you instantly want everyone but the antagonist to die

I have no problem with making him unlikeable but by showing that he was a nasty kiddie killer you instantly take away any of the mystery. I would like a truly despicable Freddy but at teh same time I would also like it if there was an air of mystery about his motivations.

indough

maybe youre right i havent seen the film yet so i cant judge it

i did think the recent halloween remake took something away from the character of myers by giving too much of a back (sob) story so perhaps you have a point there

i would disagree that everybody always roots for the killer in these movies, i think it really depends on the movie

for example to take halloween again (the original), dont really think many were rooting for myers over laurie but maybe wanted the other idiot teens in it to die - although i suppose that is rooting for the killer to some degree

for this reason i think as long as there is one semi-likable innocent in it then it shouldnt be too much of a problem

indough

indough wrote: »

maybe youre right i havent seen the film yet so i cant judge it

i did think the recent halloween remake took something away from the character of myers by giving too much of a back (sob) story so perhaps you have a point there

i would disagree that everybody always roots for the killer in these movies, i think it really depends on the movie

for example to take halloween again (the original), dont really think many were rooting for myers over laurie but maybe wanted the other idiot teens in it to die - although i suppose that is rooting for the killer to some degree

for this reason i think as long as there is one semi-likable innocent in it then it shouldnt be too much of a problem

I haven't seen the film either, just going on what I read in the script and reviews. When looking at killers you root for most franchise horrors quickly degenerate into mindless kill frenzies in which the killer is the most likeable character. Halloween is a classic but by film 4 you sat there waiting for Jason to machete his next victim and parayed that it would be visceral and inventive.

Phantasm works as each entry features teh return of the same characters and tells one continous story. There isn't a cookie cutter conveyer belt of teenage victims but raher a continously evolvign hero and baddie.

indough

im not a massive fan of these type of horrors so you probably know better than me

my most anticipated horror remake of the year is piranha 3-d so that probably says it all

jaykhunter

I know exactly what ya mean Darko; maybe it's time for a change? I'm sick of horror films with douchebag american kids and waiting for them to be killed! I don't identify with the killers nor sympathise with the victims!

Having the antagonist as the protagonist is the cliched norm for slashers, so maybe having great a better main guy/gal against Freddy would be a good thing? That said I can't see this film going for that new way of thinking; it's most likely just a step in uncomfortable territory for shock value.

][cEMAN**

Nothing wrong with the bad guy winning in these. Keep the antagonist as the protagnoist, but don't make him a hero or anti-hero. Just make him a piece of sh1t!

Ring ended well with that in mind. Didn't much like the film itself though.

Otis Driftwood

unreggd wrote: »

Seriously, why do you think you have the right to be condescending towards people for liking films you don't like

please stop giving your opinions as fact

A crap movie is a crap movie,fact.

The Crazies
Last House on The Left
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Eye
The Ring
etc
etc
etc

All remakes,regarded by a helluva lot more people than just me as being crap yet all did well/very well at the box office in the states.

Biggest market in the states is the teen/early 20s market.

And they are well renowned for their intellect/good taste,arent they.

DingosAteMyBaby

nedtheshed wrote: »

A crap movie is a crap movie,fact.

The Crazies
Last House on The Left
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Eye
The Ring
etc
etc
etc

All remakes,regarded by a helluva lot more people than just me as being crap yet all did well/very well at the box office in the states.

Biggest market in the states is the teen/early 20s market.

And they are well renowned for their intellect/good taste,arent they.

Well actually films are subjective, what you say is crap may be considered a masterpiece by someone else. That doesn't make you right and them wrong, unless you are so egotistical tha you regard your opinion as fact. And that is nothing short of a massive generalisation about the teen/early 20's market.:rolleyes:

Otis Driftwood

American teens/early 20s people,a massive generalisation?

Hmmm,cant agree with ya there amigo.

I know films are subjective which is why I said

regarded by a helluva lot more people than just me

Im sure there are fans of the remakes I listed above however the point I was making is that in general,remakes of modern horror movies are widely regarded as being crap,just read most reviews of the movies listed above,I aint wrong.

There are movies I love that I know people will think they are garbage but so what?

In none of my posts did I state anything as being Gospel either.

JP Liz V1

Well it topped the US box office with over 30 million opening weekend

jaykhunter

nedtheshed wrote: »

American teens/early 20s people,a massive generalisation?

On that front; there seems to be a lot of douchebag teen/early 20s people (from America) in comedies (say the stiffler character in the American Pie series for example, or James Marsden's character in Knocked Up -- that archetype)....maybe that laughing jackass actually relates to American youth? Otherwise why is that character in so many movies?

Continuing with the off-topic; I thought the remake of The Ring (2002) was a fantastic film and one of my favourites. Not that scary, but extremely well made. I loved the plot progression, art direction, music, imagery...everything. Loved it over all the Japanese versions, which I thought were pretty limp.

My mate went to a press screening last week and tells me the film is

nothing revolutionary; it's not scary or funny, but an limp mix of both, and leans heavy on the shock horror....but it's quite a tense film.

Good enough for me.

GoWithTheFlow

Can't believe this film is getting so many bad reviews! Don't get me wrong its no classic but its a decent film. I think theres a negative prejudgment to this type of modern horror film instead of taking the film on its own merit.

A few reviews I read complained about the originality of the story but this is exactly what the filmmakers were going for. It's a 'reboot' (basically remake) of the original so i don't think you can criticize the film for this. Criticizing the idea of reboots in general is another thing.

I think the nostalgia and respect for the original is exaggerated. The original was a great film in its day but the film is basically unwatchable now and very dated (Trying to show the original to someone who has never seen it before nowadays and get across how great a film it is nigh impossible but again this is mainly because it has aged badly). Some of the special effects are laughable and characters are cheesy. The same goes for the sequels apart from 3 and 7 which ruined any credibility of the nightmare on elm street story. I think the reboot is justified in these respects and the new film is very well shot and relevant.

The best bit of the new film is the story. The concept itself is very compelling and in this film the story is very coherent and rounded. Freddy's back story and motivations, which has never been well done in any of the original films (in my opinion), are believable (especially relevant nowadays) and well told in the new version. This is definitely an achievement of the film and although it seriousness may not be in with the spirit of the original it adds a sinister and believable edge to the story.

Again I stress this is no classic film but is worth at least 3/5. My praise of this film is motivated by my annoyance of the bad reviews it has been getting which if I accepted, I would not have seen and enjoyed film. As a homage to the original it is very well done and if, like me, you were a fan of the original you should see this film.

Here's hoping they do something interesting with the story of the sequel too.

Handsome Bob

I thought it was pretty terrible and so boring. The story also doesn't translate well to today. I mean kids are being picked off in their dreams, and violently too, and the parents of those who are still alive are keeping them in the dark. Even though what they know could help save their kids' lives. It's just stupid. I think the problem is that this remake takes itself too seriously, and because of this the weaknesses of the story are all too apparent and hard to ignore.

Skinfull

The first 40 mins were straight up fun! Great character killing moany teens! Brilliant!
But the heavy handed ending was repulsive and had no place in a slasher horror.
Also terrible message to be sending out

"he's after us because we told the truth"

Fúck. Off.

GoWithTheFlow

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I thought it was pretty terrible and so boring. The story also doesn't translate well to today. I mean kids are being picked off in their dreams, and violently too, and the parents of those who are still alive are keeping them in the dark. Even though what they know could help save their kids' lives. It's just stupid. I think the problem is that this remake takes itself too seriously, and because of this the weaknesses of the story are all too apparent and hard to ignore.

I thought the idea the parents are keeping the kids in the dark is that they wont have to remember the tragedy of the past. And the parents don't believe the being killed by there dreams. Not sure what doesn't make sense here. Plus isn't this what makes it scary, that the kids are on there own and noone can help them but themselves.

Also I rather take serious Freddy than jokey Freddy anyday. Nightmare on Elm Street four onwards went this route and lost all credibility (6 has freddy dressed as The Wicked Witch of the West on a broomstick like in the wizard of oz!!).

PrettyBoy

GoWithTheFlow wrote: »

Can't believe this film is getting so many bad reviews! Don't get me wrong its no classic but its a decent film. I think theres a negative prejudgment to this type of modern horror film instead of taking the film on its own merit.

Agree 100%.

unreggd

nedtheshed wrote: »

just read most reviews of the movies listed above,I aint wrong

Actually, you would be wrong:

http://ie.rottentomatoes.com/m/1205380-crazies/

Otis Driftwood

nedtheshed wrote: »

just read most reviews of the movies listed above,I aint wrong

See,I said most,every movie,no matter how crap will still have fans.

unreggd wrote: »

Actually, you would be wrong:

http://ie.rottentomatoes.com/m/1205380-crazies/

as for this here are a few of the sample comments from the first 2 pages.

A bland and uninspiring remake of the 1973 George Romero's original.

An unilluminating remake of George Romero's brilliant and angry 1973 thriller...

Neither scary nor realistic and it needs to be one of those or both

...a pervasively tedious piece of work...

unreggd

So you only read the negative comments?

Scarlih for you

GoWithTheFlow

unreggd wrote: »

Actually, you would be wrong:

http://ie.rottentomatoes.com/m/1205380-crazies/

I wouldnt trust Rotten Tomatoes overal ratings, giving a thumps up or down to a film and aggregating the scores is not a good way to judge a film. For example an average, inoffensive, decently made film would get the same results as a classic. Take Metacritic as a better indiation of this film:

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/crazies

Im not having ago at the crazies film (havent seen it) I just don't like rotten tomatoes rating system.

And before anyone points it out Nightmare on Elm Street is currently getting 34%. Ill just have to accept this film has been critically panned. At least the user reviews give it 6/10!

GoWithTheFlow

GoWithTheFlow wrote: »

I wouldnt trust Rotten Tomatoes overal ratings, giving a thumps up or down to a film and aggregating the scores is not a good way to judge a film. For example an average, inoffensive, decently made film would get the same results as a classic. Take Metacritic as a better indiation of this film:

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/crazies

Im not having ago at the crazies film (havent seen it) I just don't like rotten tomatoes rating system.

And before anyone points it out Nightmare on Elm Street is currently getting 34%. Ill just have to accept this film has been critically panned. At least the user reviews give it 6/10!

Metacritic is as unreliable as rotterntomatoes given how they apply a percentage rating to reviews.