New Dublin bus routes/Changes to Bus routes

Stark

Announced today: http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/

Looks like the 39 is no longer going through Blanchardstown shopping centre and is following a more direct route into town if I'm reading it correctly. Some promises like "10 min frequency or better on four core routes(37, 38, 39a, 17a)" but when you open up the details, you see 10 mins as best frequency with the 38 having a 20 minute frequency so they seem to have misunderstood the phrase "or better". More orbital services and most buses are now terminating on Leeson street rather than Hawkin's street.

Nevyn

Has anyone else seen what the proposed changes are for the area?

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Network-Direct/Network-Direct-Phase-1/Blanchardstown/

Changes to the following services in the Blanchardstown area are proposed under the Network Direct Project (17a, 37, 38, 38a, 39, 39a, 70, 270 and 236).

These changes will deliver:

* A simpler network that is easier to understand
* More frequent service
* Meet customer demand and adjust journey patterns
* More direct services
* Improved punctuality and reliability

Through a comprehensive redesign, Dublin Bus has been able to achieve these requirements.

Please click here to view a diagram of proposed routes, stages and areas served in the Blanchardstown Area together with proposed weekday frequencies for these routes. Please note Xpresso routes are not shown on the diagram, Nitelink services remain unchanged and Routes 76/a/b, 239 will have no routing change but may have minor timetable changes.

Services in Blanchardstown will be enhanced with the following changes:

More Frequent Services
Four core routes(37, 38, 39a, 17a) will have peak frequencies of 10 minutes or better

Improved Timetables
All our timetables will be redesigned, they will be easier to understand and at consistent times past each hour so it will be easy to remember the time of your bus.

Meet customer demand and adjust journey patterns
Full timetable services will now operate in Beechfield, Hazelbury, Latchford and Manorfields every day of the week.

* All services will operate to St. Stephen's Green or beyond.
* An all day high frequency connection to UCD Belfield, high frequency service from Castleknock and Carpenterstown to Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.
* A high frequency orbital service from James Connolly hospital serving Blanchardstown Shopping Centre, Blanchardstown Institute Technology, Cappagh Hospital, Finglas, Dublin City University, Santry, Beaumont Hospital, Coolock and Kilbarrack (Howth Junction DART).
* The high frequency direct Route 39a to UCD Belfield replaces the current 39x.
* Route 37x is amalgamated into Route 37, operating direct to Wilton Terrace (Leeson Street)
* Route 70x is amalgamated into Route 70, operating direct to Wilton Terrace (Leeson Street)

More Direct Services
Faster journey times to the City Centre from Ongar, Beechfield, Hazelbury, Latchford, Manorfields, Hartstown, Huntstown, Dunboyne, Littlepace, Corduff and Mulhuddart.

A simpler network that is easier to understand
While we have been able to increase the service levels to customers we have also managed to simplify the number of route variations. So from a current total of 11 route variations we will be able to offer the improved network with a total of 7 variants.

Improved punctuality and reliability
All service changes will offer improved punctuality and reliability by maximising the use of priority on QBCs, operating at even frequencies and managing our buses with the use of GPS control systems.

Dublin Bus will now commence a communication process to inform customers of the proposed service changes in the Blanchardstown area. Dates for these meetings will be published on this website and in local press in the coming weeks.

New map:
http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/5994/Blanchardstown%20Diagram.pdf

Gaspode

Stark and Thaedydal, seems you are both on the same track today!
I've merged both your threads, hope you dont mind.

Gaspode

Wilton Terrace is waaaaaay over the south side of dublin. I'll get nosebleeds if I have to go there for the bus home!

I'd often pick up the bus on College Green when going home - dont see that on the map, they must be heading down onto the quays again.

Nevyn

I know, I would often walk the extra 15 mins to get the bus at the terminus to be sure of the seat and at least you know when the bus is going to leave but that far over? Wonder where the will go after kildare st. Also it will be intresting to see who opts for the 'posh' bus the 37 rather then the 39 if both are an option.

fletch

IS the 39b effected?

Gaspode

Posh bus? Quite an oxymoron there! If you're posh you dont take the bus, Daddy drops you off at BT in the Volvo.

Nevyn

Gaspode wrote: »

Posh bus? Quite an oxymoron there! If you're posh you dont take the bus, Daddy drops you off at BT in the Volvo.

you know what I mean

fletch wrote: »

IS the 39b effected?

That route won't exist any more looking at the new plans.

alexlyons

Gaspode wrote: »

Daddy drops you off at BT in the Volvo.

Volvo? are ya mad? clearly gonna be a porsche or range rover or similar, that's if the haven't been repossessed!

TheChrisD

I must say I'm slightly looking forward to the changes to the 70. The current service is extremely bad as it is, at least now with a frequency of a minimum of 20 minutes, max of 60 it won't be too bad...

A little annoyed that they'll all go through Littlepace, but at least no diversion through Blanch.

kenon

I'm liking the changes.

Gained a bus route(17a).

The 38 going that bit further into the city centre suits me as well.

Nevyn

The 17a has been extended from finglas and the 220 has been canceled.

kenon

Thaedydal wrote: »

The 17a has been extended from finglas and the 220 has been canceled.

Have they actually said that or are you just saying that because its not on the pdf?

Theres no 40d on the map either.

TheChrisD

kenon wrote: »

Theres no 40d on the map either.

I doubt the 40d is affected as it'd probably be in the plans for Finglas or something.

Although then again, there's no sign of the 38c there either...

Murt10

Looks like the Clonsilla Road has gone as well.

I'm surprised, despite competing with the train, there are always quite a few people getting the bus there.


Murt

Nevyn

Those are the proposed routes for the area if the bus route isn't listed it's cos it not planned to be running.

The 40D is an odd one it's seen as finglas bus and so is not listed for the greater blanchardstown area.

TheChrisD

Murt10 wrote: »

Looks like the Clonsilla Road has gone as well.

I'm surprised, despite competing with the train, there are always quite a few people getting the bus there.

The Clonsilla Road might not have been removed. How else are the 39's going to go from the village to Blanch Rd. South and then onto Hartstown?

I assume that the locations mentioned on most of these routes are just to give a general idea of where the route will go, and I seriously doubt that they'd cut-off everywhere else not specifically mentioned that the route is already servicing.

katzenjammer

The James Connolly hospital stop on that map Bit of a walk?!

Diddler1977

Where is Blanchardstown Road South??????

January

Overall not a good sign for the Mulhuddart area.

Seems that the 238 linking Mulhuddart - Corduff - Blanchardstown Centre has been scrapped along with the 220 which means no direct link with Finglas/Ballymun or the Shopping Centre at all! The 220 in peak hours used to be packed to capacity with students going to the secondary schools and college in Finglas. It was also a good link for DCU as it stopped at Ballymun shopping centre which isn't too far a walk from there. 17a for those links is a no go as the 38/a will not serve the hospital OR the shopping centre so it can link up.

Also, off peak the Castlecurrage & Warrenstown areas will have no bus service as the 38 takes the right at the roundabout on Ladyswell Road onto Church Road and onto the Old Navan Road and then onto Blanchardstown Road North and into Corduff.

Nevyn

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Where is Blanchardstown Road South??????

Runs form the Clonsilla road along where powercity is, the millenium park, the shopping centre and then becomes Blanchardstown road north which runs up to Blanch IT

link

The 17a runs close to DCU, infact closer to it then the 220 did and the distance to the secondary schools in finglas will be roughly the same.

January

Still, there'll be no link from Mulhuddart to Finglas or Ballymun. You could get the 38 to the village and walk into the hospital but doesn't that seem a bit pointless? And again, no link from Mulhuddart to the Blanchardstown Centre, or Corduff to the Blanchardstown Centre if the 238 is scrapped.

Diddler1977

Thaedydal wrote: »

Runs form the Clonsilla road along where powercity is, the millenium park, the shopping centre and then becomes Blanchardstown road north which runs up to Blanch IT

link

The 17a runs close to DCU, infact closer to it then the 220 did and the distance to the secondary schools in finglas will be roughly the same.

Thanks Thaedyal

Murt10

TheChrisD wrote: »

The Clonsilla Road might not have been removed. How else are the 39's going to go from the village to Blanch Rd. South and then onto Hartstown?

I assume that the locations mentioned on most of these routes are just to give a general idea of where the route will go, and I seriously doubt that they'd cut-off everywhere else not specifically mentioned that the route is already servicing.

Through the village, past the police station and up the Snugborough Rd. Having said that, you are probably right, the Snugborough Road is not mentioned either.


Murt

Nevyn

I think the plan is for the 39 to take the old 39a route and by pass the village all together.

TheChrisD

katzenjammer wrote: »

The James Connolly hospital stop on that map Bit of a walk?!

What do you mean?

adrieanne__x wrote: »

Overall not a good sign for the Mulhuddart area.

Seems that the 238 linking Mulhuddart - Corduff - Blanchardstown Centre has been scrapped along with the 220 which means no direct link with Finglas/Ballymun or the Shopping Centre at all! The 220 in peak hours used to be packed to capacity with students going to the secondary schools and college in Finglas. It was also a good link for DCU as it stopped at Ballymun shopping centre which isn't too far a walk from there. 17a for those links is a no go as the 38/a will not serve the hospital OR the shopping centre so it can link up.

I think the 238 is being replaced in a way by the 270 and 236 services. The 270 now continues on from the Centre to ITB and then on towards Tyrrelstown, so there's still a bit of service there which you can take to the Centre and then wait there for the 17a.

As for the 17a linking with the 38, depending on what exacting routing it takes in Blanch, you may still be able to link up with it in the village, or if not that then on the Blanch Road North. At least I think the 38 still hits one or two stops around there?

Thaedydal wrote: »

I think the plan is for the 39 to take the old 39a route and by pass the village all together.

No, the PDF specifically has the normal 39 still serving Blanch Village. The 39a remains on the bypass.

January

As far as I can see from that spider map though, neither the 270 or the 236 will pass through Mulhuddart (either Mulhuddart Village or down the Ladyswell Road like the 238) so it's still the loss of a very much used bus route to the centre.

Should probably stop harping on about it but for someone who doesn't drive and is trying to push a double buggy to and from the centre, it'll be a slog and the bus was so much easier.

katzenjammer

TheChrisD wrote: »

What do you mean?

The map shows the hospital on the far side of the Blanch Centre. Shouldn't it be down at the bypass?

oblivious

katzenjammer wrote: »

The map shows the hospital on the far side of the Blanch Centre. Shouldn't it be down at the bypass?

its not to scale, Ongar is above the blanch center but on the maps its below

athtrasna

Moving the 38 to 20 mins? Another blow for Waterville :mad:

Mimikyu

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thomasj

the blanchardstown map has been updated:

Both the 39 and 39a will operate via the blanchardstown centre.

The 39 will follow the existing route through blanchardstown

The 39a will head from the centre down to the bypass and then follow the current 39b route from there on in as far as trinity college. It will then follow the current 10 route to the ucd campus in belfield

TheChrisD

thomasj wrote: »

the blanchardstown map has been updated:

Both the 39 and 39a will operate via the blanchardstown centre.

Well, that does help ease some confusion about where the 39 will go. Plus it makes less sense for them to take the 39 away from the Centre as the confusion caused for passengers in the first couple of months would be massive.

BostonB

When are these changes likely to happen. I'm curious how long ye think the 37 will take to get from one end of the route to the other.

thomasj

Thaedydal wrote: »

Also it will be intresting to see who opts for the 'posh' bus the 37 rather then the 39 if both are an option.

If they had any copon they'd be taking the 39A!

Also i wouldnt like to be taking a 37 given the length of the route , makes the 39 not look so bad!

athtrasna

Am I the only one bothered by the change to the 38/A then. Every 20 mins at peak

thomasj

athtrasna wrote: »

Am I the only one bothered by the change to the 38/A then. Every 20 mins at peak

But you get a 38 every 20 minutes and 38a every 20 minutes at peak so they might be balanced out to be every ten minutes you never know

BostonB

thomasj wrote: »

If they had any copon they'd be taking the 39A!

Also i wouldnt like to be taking a 37 at this stage, makes the 39 not look so bad!

Why because of the journey time through castleknock?

thomasj

BostonB wrote: »

Why because of the journey time through castleknock?

Yep the time it gets through carpenterstown and castleknock the traffic through castleknock at peak hours can be atrocious!

TheChrisD

BostonB wrote: »

I'm curious how long ye think the 37 will take to get from one end of the route to the other.

Probably another max 15 minutes on top of the current journey time from the Blanch Rd. South to town. Add another five to the Centre, and ten to go to Leeson St.

BostonB

I never get the bus. I have no idea of the current journey time.

To drive is about 40/60 mins, train 75 mins, cycle 45/60.

athtrasna

thomasj wrote: »

But you get a 38 every 20 minutes and 38a every 20 minutes at peak so they might be balanced out to be every ten minutes you never know

Hopefully but somehow I doubt it. Adding extra 38s as the text says isn't much use, you're usually better off just waiting for the next 38a because of the delays around Castleknock.

Stark

It's a 15 minute walk from Mulhuddart to the Blanchardstown centre. Hardly worth getting the bus for.

Max Power1

Stark wrote: »

It's a 15 minute walk from Mulhuddart to the Blanchardstown centre. Hardly worth getting the bus for.

easy to say in the warmer/non rainy times :P

January

Stark wrote: »

It's a 15 minute walk from Mulhuddart to the Blanchardstown centre. Hardly worth getting the bus for.

What about the people that can't walk very far? There's a lot of elderly people living in Mulhuddart.

Also, it's only a 15 minute walk from Hunstown/Hartstown loop yet there's a bus going in and out of the centre every ten minutes.

Stark

Max Power1 wrote: »

easy to say in the warmer/non rainy times :P

Umbrellas, rainjackets... A little bit of rain is hardly going to make we wait 30 mins for a bus that's going to get stuck in wet weather traffic especially when I'm going to get colder and wetter standing at a bus stop in the rain than I would if I simply walked the short distance.

adrienne_x wrote:

What about the people that can't walk very far? There's a lot of elderly people living in Mulhuddart

How do they get around the centre? I've often spent more time walking around the centre than I have walking to/from it.

I've hardly ever seen the 238 with more than 2 people on it.

Nevyn

StarkI would love to see you you'd manage to get to and back from the centre with 3 days of shopping with two kids under two, with a double buggy, and all the nappies with very broken sleep and wore out from being with them all day and chasing after them,
or if you had a hip replacement in the last 6 months.

BostonB

Sry, but fust to be pendantic....

You can order your shopping online, its often free or very little. Personally I'd never go near the shops with the kids its a nightmare.

People with new hips are meant to walk a lot.

That said it would be useful for people who are not that mobile. Fair enough. Maybe pick better examples. For example if you had a kid on crutches and wanted to go to the cinema.

thomasj

i would have thought the logical thing to do would be the send the 270 coming from tyrrelstown down past the cemetary and through ladyswell before it heads towards the centre.

Although i wouldnt be 100% judging by the map and pr of whether or not the 238 is gone or not?

Stark

I've walked back with 21" crt and study desk in tow on separate occasions. My grandmother had a hip replacement a few months ago and often walks 15 mins to the shops (despite my dad and uncles asking her to ring them for a lift if she needs to get out). Had to do a 6km round trip to the local Dunnes with my mother on a regular basis when I was very young back in the days when cars were unaffordable for most people and public transport was non existent. Fair enough if the 238 gets regular use by more than a handful of people, but if it's only useful to the most extreme examples, then it should be merged with a different route and the buses uses elsewhere imo.

Nevyn

You can order shopping on line if you have a credit card, not everyone does.
The bridge at mulhudard village is awful to try cross as a pedestrian and while the village is 15/20 mins from the centre a lot of the houses are a lot further then that.