7 Seater - Peugeot 5008 or S-Max...

Grouse17

Hi

We are changing to a 7 seater as baby no:3 on the way and with 3 kids under 5, still need 3 car seats and a 7 seater seems best option for us.

After much research and a budget of approx 30k, we have narrowed down our search to the new Peugeot 5008 or a 2008/2009 Ford S max. Just wondering what opinions anyone has on either of these cars. We want this car to last us a good 5 years with low running costs and good resale value

Appreciate your thoughts

Grainne

Saab Ed

Out of the two that you suggested I'd have to go with the S-max all the way. Its an excellent product and the best of compromises all round, good to look at, good to drive ,doesn't look like your typical 7 seater mumsy wagon and they're reliable.

Picasso 7 seater is one to look at too aswell as the new Grand Scenic.
The Scenic is much better to drive than the Citroen but the Citroen has a lot of clever touches inside.

_rebelkid

well the two o them are both good looking cars, with the S-Max now modelled on the Iosis Max Concept. The 5008 is only available with a 1.6HDi Diesel but it does get around 45 to 50 MPG and 110bhp.The 5008 Starts from £26870, but all the range are in tax band B(£156). The top model is £32395 but its packed with equipment.


The S-max starts at £37315 for a Zetec 2.0 TDi, emissions mean its tax band C. Top end model is the Titanium EOBOOST 2.0 210bhp petrol for £49855. You can choose from 3 options bands which are in this pdf

http://www.ford.ie/cs/BlobServer?blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobcol=urldata&blobheadervalue1=attachment%3Bfilename%3D%22Ford+S-MAX+Price+List+Mar+2010.pdf%22&blobheadervalue2=abinary%3Bcharset%3DUTF-8&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&blobheadername2=MDT-Type&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobwhere=1214368611527&blobkey=id


The 5008 is here, also in pdf

http://www.peugeot.ie/templates/peugeot2010/downloads/prices&specs/5008MPV.pdf


If you have any more questions just post them or message me!:D:D

_rebelkid

or try the Renault Scenic, Citroen Grand Picasso, Toyota Verso, Nissan Qashqai+2, Mazda 5, Kia Carens, Fiat Multipla, VW Touran (theres a new version coming so wait a while), or for a lot more money a Mercedes R-Class:D:D

BrianD3

Ford S-max does badly in at least 3 reliability surveys - ADAC Pannenstatistik, Which magazine survey and the reliability part of Auto Express JD Power. Problems with turbo, engine management, particulate filter, power steering etc.

And seeing as they only came with a 2 year warranty when new (same as the Peugeot 5008), buying a used one will mean you have a relatively short warranty. Whereas something like a new Grand Scenic is available with a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty. Hyundais and Kias also have good warranties.

si_guru

5008 and C4 Grand Picasso are the same car.

_rebelkid

si_guru wrote: »

5008 and C4 Grand Picasso are the same car.

but the C4 Grand Picasso has a panoramic roof

si_guru

_rebelkid wrote: »

but the C4 Grand Picasso has a panoramic roof

..and the EGS version of the C4 has MUCH better room in the front cabin and a huge fridge for food.

_rebelkid

si_guru wrote: »

..and the EGS version of the C4 has MUCH better room in the front cabin and a huge fridge for food.

and you can put an entire ikea living room flatpack suite and a dog in the 5008 its a bit of a private joke...

Saab Ed

si_guru wrote: »

5008 and C4 Grand Picasso are the same car.

A Saab 9-3 and an Opel Vectra are the same car....

A Skoda Octavia and an Audi A4 are the same car....

A Ford Mondeo and a Volvo S80 are the same car.....

A Renault Megane and a Nissan Qashqai are the same car.....

A Fiat Panda and a Ford Ka are the same car.....

The only difference is they're not the same car.

si_guru

Saab Ed wrote: »

A Saab 9-3 and an Opel Vectra are the same car....

A Skoda Octavia and an Audi A4 are the same car....

A Ford Mondeo and a Volvo S80 are the same car.....

A Renault Megane and a Nissan Qashqai are the same car.....

A Fiat Panda and a Ford Ka are the same car.....

The only difference is they're not the same car.

That list is much longer I guess. Octavia is a Golf anyway - so is Leon and A3...

But the point was he should consider the sister car. I think both the PSA cars have lower emissions too!

_rebelkid

si_guru wrote: »

That list is much longer I guess. Octavia is a Golf anyway - so is Leon and A3...

But the point was he should consider the sister car. I think both the PSA cars have lower emissions too!

the octavia isnt modelled on a vw anymore. the superb is more so a VW Phaeton. By the way, have ye seen the new Sharan and Alhambra?

Grouse17

Thank you so much for all the replies, food for thought!

Unfortunately we do not have the budget for a new S-Max so its weighing up do we buy a second hand S-Max (soon to be replaced with a newer model) and with slightly higher running costs or a brand new Peugeot on the lower tax band. Both card look well, so don't mind either based on this! Will also take another look at the scenic as think we may have dismissed this too quickly.

Keep the comments coming anyway, all info greatly appreciated!

G

bazz26

_rebelkid wrote: »

the octavia isnt modelled on a vw anymore. the superb is more so a VW Phaeton. By the way, have ye seen the new Sharan and Alhambra?

The Octavia is still based on the MkV/VI Golf platform. The new Superb uses a stretched version of the same PQ35 platform.

Zonda999

_rebelkid wrote: »

the superb is more so a VW Phaeton.

I've heard this a few times and i have no idea where its coming from

In reality, NOTHING could be further from the truth

And i hope Matt Simis doesnt see that post!

mullingar

bazz26 wrote: »

The Octavia is still based on the MkV/VI Golf platform. The new Superb uses a stretched version of the same PQ35 platform.

I know its still off topic, however, according to wikipedia of the A5 family of chassis:

A5

(PQ35)

The PQ35 platform is designed to be more modular and flexible than previous A platforms. For the first time, a fully independent suspension front and rear will be present in all A platform vehicles. There is also a derivative version of this platform for 'B'-class cars (with larger variations expected in the future) called PQ46.
PQ35 is intended for compact-size vehicles, and PQ46 is an enlarged version for mid-size vehicles, such as the Volkswagen Passat. A common misconception is that the PQ46 generation of the Passat is based on the "B6" (PL46) platform. However, this transverse-engined Passat has little in common with the longitudinal-engined "B6" Audi A4.
Current and expected PQ35 platform cars (Typ numbers in brackets):
Audi A3 Mk2 (8P)
Volkswagen Touran (1T)
Volkswagen Caddy (2K)
SEAT Altea (5P)
Volkswagen Golf Mk5 / GTI / R32 / Rabbit Mk5 (1K)
Škoda Octavia Mk2 (1Z)
Volkswagen Golf Plus (5M)
SEAT Toledo Mk3 (5P)
Volkswagen Jetta Mk5 (1K)
SEAT León Mk2 (1P)
Audi TT Mk2 (8J)
Volkswagen Eos (1F)
Volkswagen Scirocco (13)
Audi Q3
Volkswagen Golf Mk6 (5K)
Škoda Yeti (5J)
Volkswagen Tiguan (5N)

Current PQ46 platform cars (Typ numbers in brackets):

Volkswagen Passat (3C)
Volkswagen Passat CC (35)
Škoda Superb II (3T)

So the new Superb & passat share the same chassis, the Octavia chassis is the same as the Golf.

bazz26

mullingar wrote: »

I know its still off topic, however, according to wikipedia of the A5 family of chassis:

PQ35)

The PQ35 platform is designed to be more modular and flexible than previous A platforms. For the first time, a fully independent suspension front and rear will be present in all A platform vehicles. There is also a derivative version of this platform for 'B'-class cars (with larger variations expected in the future) called PQ46.
PQ35 is intended for compact-size vehicles, and PQ46 is an enlarged version for mid-size vehicles, such as the Volkswagen Passat. A common misconception is that the PQ46 generation of the Passat is based on the "B6" (PL46) platform. However, this transverse-engined Passat has little in common with the longitudinal-engined "B6" Audi A4.
Current and expected PQ35 platform cars (Typ numbers in brackets):
Audi A3 Mk2 (8P)
Volkswagen Touran (1T)
Volkswagen Caddy (2K)
SEAT Altea (5P)
Volkswagen Golf Mk5 / GTI / R32 / Rabbit Mk5 (1K)
Škoda Octavia Mk2 (1Z)
Volkswagen Golf Plus (5M)
SEAT Toledo Mk3 (5P)
Volkswagen Jetta Mk5 (1K)
SEAT León Mk2 (1P)
Audi TT Mk2 (8J)
Volkswagen Eos (1F)
Volkswagen Scirocco (13)
Audi Q3
Volkswagen Golf Mk6 (5K)
Škoda Yeti (5J)
Volkswagen Tiguan (5N)

Current PQ46 platform cars (Typ numbers in brackets):

Volkswagen Passat (3C)
Volkswagen Passat CC (35)
Škoda Superb II (3T)



So the new Superb & passat share the same chassis, the Octavia chassis is the same as the Golf.

Which is a stretched version of the Golf/Octavia chassis.

slave1

I had a Scenic (not the 7 seater) and you could get three kids seats in no problem, unfortunately its a Renault, we currently have a C-Max and you can get three full sized booster seats no problem

_rebelkid

Zonda999 wrote: »

I've heard this a few times and i have no idea where its coming from

In reality, NOTHING could be further from the truth

have you seen the new phaeton??:eek: there the same minus a golf nose!

bazz26

hick

Ah folks back on topic for op!!!!

OP my two cents go for the 5008, very reliable and good build quality, they look well too, and better a new model 5008 with new tax rating on a trade in 3 years down the line, than a older model S max with 2nd hand new models in the market. Best of luck

Grouse17 wrote: »

Thank you so much for all the replies, food for thought!

Unfortunately we do not have the budget for a new S-Max so its weighing up do we buy a second hand S-Max (soon to be replaced with a newer model) and with slightly higher running costs or a brand new Peugeot on the lower tax band. Both card look well, so don't mind either based on this! Will also take another look at the scenic as think we may have dismissed this too quickly.

Keep the comments coming anyway, all info greatly appreciated!

G

_rebelkid

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/omarrana/photo_rendering_2010_volkswagen_phaeton.jpg

GERMAN ROCKS

at the end of the day new is new. its much nicer to get a brand new car than a car that is a year or two old.

tfitzgerald

i'd go with the 5008 as well its packed with extras and is a good make the s-max which i like, is going to look dated the minute they bring out the new one as for the scenic i had one a lovely car to drive very very comfortable but it broke my heart. if it could break or go faulty it did including the catylatic converter on a 2yo car so i got rid of it i now drive a safira whice is built like a tank and i imagine as comfortable as one

Guy:Incognito

slave1 wrote: »

I had a Scenic (not the 7 seater) and you could get three kids seats in no problem, unfortunately its a Renault,

We have a Grand Scenic, ,most importantly it's a Reanult.

Zubeneschamali

hick wrote: »

OP my two cents go for the 5008, very reliable and good build quality,

How can you possibly know that? It's new out!

My own 2c: I bought an S-Max 2.0 Tdci in 08 and it's been great, well worth the extra money over the 1.6 C4 Picasso, which I also considered. A 1.6 is too small in a car that size, IMO.

I would have gone looking for a Mazda 5 to test if I hadn't liked the S-Max so much.

hick

time travel

it's a general statement with regard to Peugeot's overall, they wouldn't be considered a brand known for being badly built or seen regularly at the roadside.

Apologies for getting back on topic! any constructive advice for the op????

Leonard Hofstadter

I can't see a little 1.6 diesel being enough for an MPV, I predict that these downsized engines will last fine for the first 3-4 years while the cars are in warranty and then will spectacularly self combust from over work due to being far too small for the size and weight of the car.

I'd be looking for something with a 1.8-2.0 diesel, that has a better chance of surviving over the years, Ford and Toyota do 2.0 diesel MPVs, they may be a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for.

A little 1.6 diesel is a false economy in every sense of the word.

Zubeneschamali

captainspeed wrote: »

Ford and Toyota do 2.0 diesel MPVs, they may be a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for.

The strange thing is that Ford's 2.0 and 2.2 Tdci engines are actually Peugeot-Citroen Hdi engines rebranded. Why doesn't the 5008 come with a 2.0?

Aha, it does in the UK! So does the C4 Picasso Grande Lattefrappucino.

1.6 is enough for us paddys, though, apparently.

_rebelkid

captainspeed wrote: »

I can't see a little 1.6 diesel being enough for an MPV, I predict that these downsized engines will last fine for the first 3-4 years while the cars are in warranty and then will spectacularly self combust from over work due to being far too small for the size and weight of the car.

I'd be looking for something with a 1.8-2.0 diesel, that has a better chance of surviving over the years, Ford and Toyota do 2.0 diesel MPVs, they may be a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for.

A little 1.6 diesel is a false economy in every sense of the word.

I disagree. The 1.6 Peugeot offer has 110bhp, which is quite good as it has 240nm of torque. Added to this it gets around 47mpg on the combined cycle.


False Economy? I think Not!:D

Leonard Hofstadter

And 110 bhp in something that can carry 7 people plus all the luggage etc is very little, diesel torque or not;)!

_rebelkid

captainspeed wrote: »

And 110 bhp in something that can carry 7 people plus all the luggage etc is very little, diesel torque or not;)!

but bhp is only for top end speed, and high revs, if you want pulling power fo all that weight 240NM of torque is perfect!

Grouse17

and for the mostpart, we will only have two adults and three smallies in the car, doing very much local driving ......carrying 7 people and luggage will be a very rare occurance!

_rebelkid

Grouse17 wrote: »

and for the mostpart, we will only have two adults and three smallies in the car, doing very much local driving ......carrying 7 people and luggage will be a very rare occurance!

well if thats the case why not get a corolla verso? you can get 7 seats or five, it can carry alot but its not as big as a 5008, its got peppy petrol engines(one with a CVT gearbox) and very strong diesels. and the diesel is cheaper than the equivalent spec of the peugeot.

Zubeneschamali

_rebelkid wrote: »

well if thats the case why not get a corolla verso? you can get 7 seats or five, it can carry alot but its not as big as a 5008, its got peppy petrol engines(one with a CVT gearbox) and very strong diesels. and its cheaper than them!!

It doesn't look cheap to me: €29040-€37710 vs €26870-€32395 for the 5008.

_rebelkid

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It doesn't look cheap to me: €29040-€37710 vs €26870-€32395 for the 5008.

look again! its equivalent diesels!!! not lowest to highest!:rolleyes:

Zubeneschamali

_rebelkid wrote: »

look again!

OK:

Basic 5008 1.6 Hdi 110bhp 6 speed: €26870
Basic Verso 2.0 D4D 125bhp 6 speed: €29040

Your point is what, again?

_rebelkid

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

OK:

Basic 5008 1.6 Hdi 110bhp 6 speed: €26870
Basic Verso 2.0 D4D 125bhp 6 speed: €29040

Your point is what, again?

now spec that peugeot up(and it is up!) to what the verso is and its more than €31000!(the equivalent being the SV with the 1.6 HDi tax band and the Verso Has more power (125bhp with 310NM) and Gets alot more mpg!!(51.2 for the verso to 46 in the 5008)

taung

I see the Peugeot 5008 has already been the subject of three recalls, in its short history :eek:....looks like Peugeot haven't really upped their quality/reliability with this model, despite their marketing claims;

Recall 1 (Water leakage in rear doors)
Recall 2 (Detachment of windscreen trim)
Recall 3 (Fuel pipe erosion)

Nodnedlog

Hi

Just Like the original poster I am also on the look out for 7 seater. I have struggled on with a 07 Qashqai up to now but our kids are 3, 4 and 6 and all still in child seats. I would miss the good mpg of Qashqai but hoping the new 1.6 tdci S-Max will be able to deliver similar fuel efficiency. I have tested it and it seems as peppy as the qashqai with about 45mpg for a 20 minute drive around mixed roads.

I also tested the 5008 which is slightly cheaper ( about 29,000 v 32,000) and I liked this car also. Smax seems to have more room and is better handling. Not sure about resale value of 5008 vs Smax?

As for smaller diesel engines being able, there was as much doubt cast over the 1.5 dci Qashqai engine when they came out first but I have found it fine, and there are no reported problems with them five years on.

I would appreciate any advice, with a trade in I am looking at 18,000 for 5008 and 21,000 for Smax. What to do????? Alternatively go for second have Smax or 5008, it's all about the €€€€€€€

Marcusm

_rebelkid wrote: »

the octavia isnt modelled on a vw anymore. the superb is more so a VW Phaeton. By the way, have ye seen the new Sharan and Alhambra?

On what planet is the Superb (a most aptly named car) a VW Phaeton - you've jumped up a serious gap there.

mullingar

LOL!! Saying a Suberb is based on a Phaeton?????

A Suberb is based on a Passat, maybe the poster got confused thinking the Octavia is based on a passat, so the bigger car is on a bigger chassis, but shock horror, the Octavia is based on a Jetta chassis!!!

useless

I had both the 5008 and the SMax as hire cars for 5-6 days each last year. The Smax is more comfortable, a bit faster (not looking to break land speed records but the extra bit of shove is useful for overtaking) and a bit better looking (IMHO). The 5008 is a fine car with a good spec though, and it feels like it has more than 110bhp.
At the end of the day I think the SMax is a better car- whether its a three grand better car is your call.

Bernardas

_rebelkid wrote: »

but the C4 Grand Picasso has a panoramic roof

I have panoramic roof in my Renault Scenic 04.When you will open it on sun.Sun will born your head.Also too much light for the eyes at sunny day.Wind go to the back seats.You dont feel anything on front.Also,some air go from car to outside trough sunroof when open.If your carpet will old you will feel smell very well.Also,water leakage risk.Electric problems risk,mechanical problems risk.More noise.At winter you should keep this sunroof closed by curtain.Becouse cold comming from glass.I could use this sunroof only at autumn.When sun is not "angry".Next my car will defenetly without any panoramic roof or sunroof.

Nodnedlog

useless wrote: »

I had both the 5008 and the SMax as hire cars for 5-6 days each last year. The Smax is more comfortable, a bit faster (not looking to break land speed records but the extra bit of shove is useful for overtaking) and a bit better looking (IMHO). The 5008 is a fine car with a good spec though, and it feels like it has more than 110bhp.
At the end of the day I think the SMax is a better car- whether its a three grand better car is your call.

Thanks for the advice.

Was the S-max you drove a 1.6 tdci or the 2 litre? I know people feel small diesel engines are under powered but I honestly didn't feel this in the test drive although I am probably just used to the 1.5 dci Qashqai, if I had driven a more powerful car before this I may have noticed this more. The lack of power in the car can be a good deterrent to stop me from trying risky maneuvers.

Is going to the UK now not as viable with weak Euro and unpredictability of NCT vrt valuation (couldn't find 1.6 tdci Smax on online vrt calculator)? I bought my last car in the North.

useless

The one I drove was the 2.0 140bhp version. I think the 1.6 is only out a few months. Look it up on ford.co.uk and see what CO2 it emits- if it's round the same as the 2.0 there won't be much of a VRT difference.

In terms of going to the UK, there's a huge choice of nearly new cars at big discounts to Irish prices, but then you have the hassle of trying to sell your own car.

Nodnedlog

useless wrote: »

The one I drove was the 2.0 140bhp version. I think the 1.6 is only out a few months. Look it up on ford.co.uk and see what CO2 it emits- if it's round the same as the 2.0 there won't be much of a VRT difference.

In terms of going to the UK, there's a huge choice of nearly new cars at big discounts to Irish prices, but then you have the hassle of trying to sell your own car.

The 1.6 tdci is in the b band for vrt (16%) which on vrt.ie calculator comes in at about €4600. It's approx £18000 stg for top spec UK 2011 model. Contacted one dealer who was prepared to do trade for about 7000stg. Leaving me with 11000 ish to pay. Doing my sums it wouldn't be much different to Irish price but much better spec and much more hassle (ferries, uncertainty of rates, condition of car, vrt quote???). It is a gamble, but is it worth it??

Nodnedlog

Nodnedlog wrote: »

The 1.6 tdci is in the b band for vrt (16%) which on vrt.ie calculator comes in at about €4600. It's approx £18000 stg for top spec UK 2011 model. Contacted one dealer who was prepared to do trade for about 7000stg. Leaving me with 11000 ish to pay. Doing my sums it wouldn't be much different to Irish price but much better spec and much more hassle (ferries, uncertainty of rates, condition of car, vrt quote???). It is a gamble, but is it worth it??

Update
Sold my Qashqai privately, bought 2011 1.6 tdci S-Max in UK for €20,500 (inc travel etc..) vrt due is €4,500, therefore out the gap for about €25,000 with a Titanium spec car.

Mpg is disappointing so far but have yet to do a true test, the trip is reading about between 38-42 mpg but it has a published figure of 54 mpg combined, so it is wayyyy off.

It's a lovely car to drive and looks good also, hopefully the mpgs will settle nearer mid to high 40s with better driving and the resale will be better than 5008?
hope this is useful for someone.

carsfan

I have 08 s max and was thinking of going to UK to get a 2011 model also as much better spec and appear a lot cheaper. Is there much room for negotiation with UK ford dealers and did you have any issues with them as you were taking car to Ireland? Thanks

Nodnedlog

carsfan wrote: »

I have 08 s max and was thinking of going to UK to get a 2011 model also as much better spec and appear a lot cheaper. Is there much room for negotiation with UK ford dealers and did you have any issues with them as you were taking car to Ireland? Thanks

No problems, there is a good thread on importing cars from UK on Boards and a website called vrt.ie which is good. Look in autotrader.co.UK and stick with Ford dealers or Ford direct, ex demo and nearly new cars are good value compared to here, vrt for 1.6 tdci is only 16%. UK warranty is 3 years as opposed to 2 here and must be honoured by Ford dealers here. Best of luck

useless

Saw an ad today from a Dublin Ford dealer offering 4 years warranty, servicing & roadside recovery on new Mondeo, Galaxy and SMax.
Pretty decent deal but the value is probably still better in the UK for a nearly new model. The 4 yr warranty definitely narrows the gap though.