Can you swap council houses?

dark crystal

Hi all,

I have been living in my council house here in the city for around 7 years. About 3 years ago, we started having problems with a certain (well known) family on the estate.

So far, their kids have broken into our house, vandalising it and killing the kids' pet goldfish, stolen bikes from our back garden, thrown eggs at our house, give our daughters constant verbal abuse to the point they barely go outside anymore and it culminated yesterday when their scummer of a daughter kicked my daughter in the stomach.

Now, there's only so much I can take and I gave out stink to her and threatened to call the police on her if she touched my daughter again. Suffice it to say, her mother took umbridge at this telling off and stormed up to my house to threaten me with violence if I ever went near her little darling any more.

I can't count the number of times I've had to deal with sh!t from this particular family and to make matters worse, in their infinite wisdom, the city council decided to put a family of settled travellers next door to me - the best part is, they're related to the same family and their kids have now started on my daughters too. It's a total nightmare.

I've reported the incident to the anti social behaviour unit, but have told them I don't want them to tell the family in question about my complaint, as I believe it would only escalate the abuse and harrassment. I've already been threatened with having my house burnt down, my kids beaten up and my car stolen and burnt out.
I reported the break-in to the police at the time and they organised a liaison officer to get the families in question to cough up a small amount of compo for the stuff they stole and destroyed, but we got a load of abuse from extended members of their family afterwards and it seems no matter what we do, this family don't intend to stop hasseling us any time soon. My kids are in an awful state, at this stage and I just want to get out now.

Anyway, to cut to the main question, I was just wondering if there is an option to privately swap your council house with another council tenant, as it doesn't seem the council will rehouse me if I'm not willing to make an official statement.
If you agree to swap houses, do the council allow it or are you at risk of losing your house altogether? I've looked at the council's website and there's no info about house swaps at all.

Has anyone else here had any experience of house swaps, or any information on it?

Much thanks - sorry for the long post

baronflyguy

Bloody hell that sounds like a nightmare. Hope things work out for you and your kids in the near future. Sorry I dont have any council housing advice or experience to pass onto you.

Have you approached any local councilors or TDs?
If so where they helpful or evasive?

- BFG

ziedth

Go to your local TD maybe? Or contact the coucil and tell them and start making a note of every incident (tine,date,witnesses)

good luck,

Cabaal

dark crystal wrote: »

Anyway, to cut to the main question, I was just wondering if there is an option to privately swap your council house with another council tenant, as it doesn't seem the council will rehouse me if I'm not willing to make an official statement.
If you agree to swap houses, do the council allow it or are you at risk of losing your house altogether? I've looked at the council's website and there's no info about house swaps at all.

Why don't you make an official statement?
Surely if things are that bad the council need to be officially notified and complaints lodged including your requirments to move home

dark crystal

Cabaal wrote: »

Why don't you make an official statement?
Surely if things are that bad the council need to be officially notified and complaints lodged including your requirments to move home

I have notified them, but I don't want them to start proceedings against the family in question, as I truly fear the repercussions. It's kinda hard to explain if you're not in the situation, but this family could make our lives even more of a misery if took it any further and cowardly as it may seem, my family's safety is of paramount importance to me.
We've already been threatened by members of their extended family (not living on this estate) and I don't want to wait and see if they're all talk or not, frankly.

I haven't been to my TD yet and it's definitely an avenue I'll follow up. There's also an estate officer who has a clinic on certain days of the month, though I'm not sure when, and I'll ask him for advice as well.

I guess, I was just curious to see if anyone had any experience of council house swaps, as it seems the fastest, easiest option for me at the moment.

Yes Boss

I cannot understand how as a society we have become so soft on scumbags!! As the OP suggested there seems to be a family of them. If they were a breed of dogs they would either be put down or muzzled!!

Bards

Yes Boss wrote: »

I cannot understand how as a society we have become so soft on scumbags!! As the OP suggested there seems to be a family of them. If they were a breed of dogs they would either be put down or muzzled!!

I Blame the Politicaly Correct Brigade for this

its about time we stop pandering to every minority and start protecting the majority

anyone fancy creating a new Political Party with a view to fighting the next Gerneral Election??

Mountjoy Mugger

The liklihood of a swap isn't great, IMO. Nobody else would be prepared to put up with the problems your experiencing either, I'd imagine.

Your best bet would be to apply for a "transfer" to another estate, if you can. You'd need to get in touch with the Housing office in Waterford and have a chat about it. Going to the local estate office is definitely a good idea as well. They might be in a position to vouch for your situation should the need arise.

The "easiest" option, of course is to move out - but that would mean making yourself - in the opinion of the Housing Authority" - "Intentionally homeless", and they would have no obligation to rehouse you. I kid you not.

seanybiker

If you do get a transfer it would be funny if their house went on fire when you left.
Did you get any of this abuse on camera or anything?

deisedevil

Really sorry to hear about that. Makes what I have had to put up with recently pale in comparison. I really do hope you have something done for you.

merlante

Bards wrote: »

I Blame the Politicaly Correct Brigade for this

its about time we stop pandering to every minority and start protecting the majority

anyone fancy creating a new Political Party with a view to fighting the next Gerneral Election??

It's another kind of 'organisation' I'd create. If you got every good and decent family being harassed by scumbags together, send all the lads up the mountains with bats and various assorted implements for training and bonding sessions, then you'd have a group capable of putting these scumbag families firmly back in their boxes. I'm beginning to think that unless there is a degree of vigilanteism in society the cops will never be embarrassed into getting off their holes and doing something.

The cops and the government are operating on the basis that as long as there are only a small number of isolated victims, they can turn a blind eye to this disgraceful behaviour.

ex_infantry man

feckin scumbags!!!!

gscully

merlante wrote: »

It's another kind of 'organisation' I'd create. If you got every good and decent family being harassed by scumbags together, send all the lads up the mountains with bats and various assorted implements for training and bonding sessions, then you'd have a group capable of putting these scumbag families firmly back in their boxes. I'm beginning to think that unless there is a degree of vigilanteism in society the cops will never be embarrassed into getting off their holes and doing something.

The cops and the government are operating on the basis that as long as there are only a small number of isolated victims, they can turn a blind eye to this disgraceful behaviour.

I'm with you on that. Maybe the boards football team can just be a front

comeraghs

Get yer man from Sinn Fein on it .... maybe they can finally be useful for something!

Triona23

The "easiest" option, of course is to move out - but that would mean making yourself - in the opinion of the Housing Authority" - "Intentionally homeless", and they would have no obligation to rehouse you. I kid you not.[/QUOTE]

If you havent left your house intentionally but have been driven from your home by continual harrassement and your children's safety is at risk, surely the council needs to take your situation seriously. Most council estates have about 90% decent families but the 10% who aren't can make life hell for people. The decent families need to show a firm united front to these families, and let them know that their behaviour is being watched and filmed, and will be dealt with, and the council should be looking at taking their houses off them, and rehousing them in solitude up the mountains somewhere!!

dark crystal

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

The liklihood of a swap isn't great, IMO. Nobody else would be prepared to put up with the problems your experiencing either, I'd imagine.

Your best bet would be to apply for a "transfer" to another estate, if you can. You'd need to get in touch with the Housing office in Waterford and have a chat about it. Going to the local estate office is definitely a good idea as well. They might be in a position to vouch for your situation should the need arise.

The "easiest" option, of course is to move out - but that would mean making yourself - in the opinion of the Housing Authority" - "Intentionally homeless", and they would have no obligation to rehouse you. I kid you not.

I'll definitely enquire about the transfer thing when I talk to the estate officer. Seems like the next best option. Sometimes, though, the council can really drag their feet when it comes to this sort of thing.

As I write, the scummer who assaulted my daughter is jumping up and down in my front garden, laughing and running out continuously, trying to goad me. This is really wearing me down now.

Why don't the council take more care when housing some of these families? I mean,the vast majority of tenants living here are lovely, decent people. It's just the same few families who keep ruining it for everyone. The council know who they are....why not just house them all in their own little ghetto somewhere??

baronflyguy

Bards wrote: »

I Blame the Politicaly Correct Brigade for this

its about time we stop pandering to every minority and start protecting the majority

anyone fancy creating a new Political Party with a view to fighting the next Gerneral Election??

I think the PC Brigade should swap houses with this lady.
Then we will see how PC they really are. It will never happen of course, but would make a great reality show

idea for a solution to anti social behaviour.....
I've always thought a good idea that the gardai could do as an initiative is have a mobile base unit (prefab or something) that they could position in an estate in eye sight of difficult families houses. The unit could be used as a base unit for a few garda cars where they could have their tea breaks and do there office work, but at the same time been clearly seen in an area. The more cops you have using this temp station the better, so it is always manned and doesn't stop the gardas from doing other work since they would use it as a temp base and the gardas would rotate on a rooster what days they would be stationed there as a base station. The temp base with 3 garda cars using as a base would definitely act as a deterrent and would give piece of mind to the locals been terrorised. This would piss off the offending families and intimidate their movements and acts. This is what is needed.
I think Waterford City Gardai should pilot such an idea for 6 months to see if it would be effective or not.

Good idea or not? I think I will mention it to anyone who comes canvasing to me next.

ROCKMAN

baronflyguy wrote: »

I think the PC Brigade should swap houses with this lady.
Then we will see how PC they really are. It will never happen of course, but would make a great reality show

idea for a solution to anti social behaviour.....
I've always thought a good idea that the gardai could do as an initiative is have a mobile base unit (prefab or something) that they could position in an estate in eye sight of difficult families houses. The unit could be used as a base unit for a few garda cars where they could have their tea breaks and do there office work, but at the same time been clearly seen in an area. The more cops you have using this temp station the better, so it is always manned and doesn't stop the gardas from doing other work since they would use it as a temp base and the gardas would rotate on a rooster what days they would be stationed there as a base station. The temp base with 3 garda cars using as a base would definitely act as a deterrent and would give piece of mind to the locals been terrorised. This would piss off the offending families and intimidate their movements and acts. This is what is needed.
I think Waterford City Gardai should pilot such an idea for 6 months to see if it would be effective or not.

Good idea or not? I think I will mention it to anyone who comes canvasing to me next.

Not a bad idea but would need to be manned 24/7 or it would be burned to the ground in some estates ,

jonnyfingers

I hate hearing stories like this as so often nothing is done. As for starting a new political party? Only a vigilante party would do a good job in my opinion. People like this need to be physically kicked out the estate. It's the only thing they seem to understand unfortunately.

Smiley Burnett

The action you should take is as follows;

1--contact the garda station EVERY time an incident occurs (this is essential)
2--log all incidents and give a copy to housing section of council on a monthly basis
3-- contact a TD/Councillor that will listen to you and then act on your behalf!

johnnyjb

dark crystal wrote: »

Hi all,

I have been living in my council house here in the city for around 7 years. About 3 years ago, we started having problems with a certain (well known) family on the estate.

So far, their kids have broken into our house, vandalising it and killing the kids' pet goldfish, stolen bikes from our back garden, thrown eggs at our house, give our daughters constant verbal abuse to the point they barely go outside anymore and it culminated yesterday when their scummer of a daughter kicked my daughter in the stomach.

Now, there's only so much I can take and I gave out stink to her and threatened to call the police on her if she touched my daughter again. Suffice it to say, her mother took umbridge at this telling off and stormed up to my house to threaten me with violence if I ever went near her little darling any more.

I can't count the number of times I've had to deal with sh!t from this particular family and to make matters worse, in their infinite wisdom, the city council decided to put a family of settled travellers next door to me - the best part is, they're related to the same family and their kids have now started on my daughters too. It's a total nightmare.

I've reported the incident to the anti social behaviour unit, but have told them I don't want them to tell the family in question about my complaint, as I believe it would only escalate the abuse and harrassment. I've already been threatened with having my house burnt down, my kids beaten up and my car stolen and burnt out.
I reported the break-in to the police at the time and they organised a liaison officer to get the families in question to cough up a small amount of compo for the stuff they stole and destroyed, but we got a load of abuse from extended members of their family afterwards and it seems no matter what we do, this family don't intend to stop hasseling us any time soon. My kids are in an awful state, at this stage and I just want to get out now.

Anyway, to cut to the main question, I was just wondering if there is an option to privately swap your council house with another council tenant, as it doesn't seem the council will rehouse me if I'm not willing to make an official statement.
If you agree to swap houses, do the council allow it or are you at risk of losing your house altogether? I've looked at the council's website and there's no info about house swaps at all.

Has anyone else here had any experience of house swaps, or any information on it?

Much thanks - sorry for the long post

There was a family around my area that were about to evicted for anti social behavior and they set fire to their house before eviction so the council had to give them another house. Dunno if they got away with it.

If you try evict them some other unlucky git will have them( I wouldnt care myself). Good luck

Gurgle

Bards wrote: »

I Blame the Politicaly Correct Brigade for this

:rolleyes:
I think you'll find the Politically Correct Brigade would support the OP rather than her scumbag neighbours.

deisedevil

Gurgle wrote: »

:rolleyes:
I think you'll find the Politically Correct Brigade would support the OP rather than her scumbag neighbours.

I think you'll find that what was being implied was that thanks to some politcal correctness gone mad we are more and more heading into a situation where the criminals are having an easier time of it than the victims.

dark crystal

baronflyguy wrote: »

idea for a solution to anti social behaviour.....
I've always thought a good idea that the gardai could do as an initiative is have a mobile base unit (prefab or something) that they could position in an estate in eye sight of difficult families houses. The unit could be used as a base unit for a few garda cars where they could have their tea breaks and do there office work, but at the same time been clearly seen in an area. The more cops you have using this temp station the better, so it is always manned and doesn't stop the gardas from doing other work since they would use it as a temp base and the gardas would rotate on a rooster what days they would be stationed there as a base station. The temp base with 3 garda cars using as a base would definitely act as a deterrent and would give piece of mind to the locals been terrorised. This would piss off the offending families and intimidate their movements and acts. This is what is needed.
I think Waterford City Gardai should pilot such an idea for 6 months to see if it would be effective or not.

Good idea or not? I think I will mention it to anyone who comes canvasing to me next.

Great idea! However, as it involves common sense, I doubt any politician would put it forward........

tc2010

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

The action you should take is as follows;

1--contact the garda station EVERY time an incident occurs (this is essential)
2--log all incidents and give a copy to housing section of council on a monthly basis
3-- contact a TD/Councillor that will listen to you and then act on your behalf!

great advice.

merlante

baronflyguy wrote: »

I think the PC Brigade should swap houses with this lady.
Then we will see how PC they really are. It will never happen of course, but would make a great reality show

idea for a solution to anti social behaviour.....
I've always thought a good idea that the gardai could do as an initiative is have a mobile base unit (prefab or something) that they could position in an estate in eye sight of difficult families houses. The unit could be used as a base unit for a few garda cars where they could have their tea breaks and do there office work, but at the same time been clearly seen in an area. The more cops you have using this temp station the better, so it is always manned and doesn't stop the gardas from doing other work since they would use it as a temp base and the gardas would rotate on a rooster what days they would be stationed there as a base station. The temp base with 3 garda cars using as a base would definitely act as a deterrent and would give piece of mind to the locals been terrorised. This would piss off the offending families and intimidate their movements and acts. This is what is needed.
I think Waterford City Gardai should pilot such an idea for 6 months to see if it would be effective or not.

Good idea or not? I think I will mention it to anyone who comes canvasing to me next.

The problem, as I see it, is not that the cops couldn't stop all this very quickly if they put their minds to it, it's that they don't want to kick off a hornets nest of knackers v cops that is going to take up 90% of their time into the future, and possibly create no-go areas for the gards. They'll also complain that they are underfunded, etc.

It's an Irish solution to an Irish problem. Leave the knackers do what they want unless they get too out of hand, that way you preserve a semblance of order whilst giving the scumbags the impression that they are the boss. Like a backhanded kind of respect in return for relative peace (for all but a few unfortunates who will find no real help). How often have we heard the phrase "he was known to the gardai"? They know every last one of them, but they won't do a thing unless they have the evidence to put them away on something.

Cast your mind back to the incident with the travellers on the ORR. They spent a pile of cash just sitting around making sure nobody got killed. If 10 scumbags were breaking into your house, they'd be along an hour and a half late, but if the travellers start killing each other and there's a risk of negative national media exposure, it's all hands on deck. It's all about appearances. If it was any other country, those travellers would have been dealt with very quickly, and there'd be no farcical story in the News & Star featuring two travellers shaking hands promising to end the war, as if this peace treaty was the only force on earth that could have ended the bloody mayhem. They gards don't seem to "do" police work as such.

itsonlywords

comeraghs wrote: »

Get yer man from Sinn Fein on it .... maybe they can finally be useful for something!

Actually that is not a bad idea. SF lads have a nice way of sorting our anti social behaviour. Sometime the right form of words is all is required. Cops are a waste of time unfortunately as they are happier getting their subsidised snack boxes down at the apple market.

itsonlywords

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

The action you should take is as follows;

1--contact the garda station EVERY time an incident occurs (this is essential)
2--log all incidents and give a copy to housing section of council on a monthly basis
3-- contact a TD/Councillor that will listen to you and then act on your behalf!

No1 Contact the Gardai immediately and tell them to help you.
No2.. Yes and in the meantime she is harrassed even further. This poor woman is desperate and needs help now and not in 6 months time.
No3 Contact David Cullinahane SF representative. No TD in Waterford is worth a damn and they could not care less anyway and have no influence with the city housing office nor should they have.
This lady needs the help she is entitled to and the housing office should be reported to the papers and named and shamed if they do not give immediate assistance.

seanybiker

itsonlywords wrote: »

Actually that is not a bad idea. SF lads have a nice way of sorting our anti social behaviour. Sometime the right form of words is all is required. Cops are a waste of time unfortunately as they are happier getting their subsidised snack boxes down at the apple market.

ya might find the cops useless but it might come in handy having incident reports when going to look for a transfer ;p


What ya need to do really though is. Tie a fiver to a piece of string. When one of them goes to pick it up, you drag the string so they follow the fiver. eventually they will walk into your legs, you're hiding around a corner BTW. When they bump into you all you need to do is stab him/her in the stomach and twist. Leave them squirm for a minute then finish em off with a slice of the throat. Replace the m,oney back on the footpath and keep doing this until you have a pile of scumbags chopped up beside you. Start posting bits back to their mother each day with little warnings.


sorry. Im bored.

goat2

dark crystal wrote: »

Hi all,

I have been living in my council house here in the city for around 7 years. About 3 years ago, we started having problems with a certain (well known) family on the estate.

So far, their kids have broken into our house, vandalising it and killing the kids' pet goldfish, stolen bikes from our back garden, thrown eggs at our house, give our daughters constant verbal abuse to the point they barely go outside anymore and it culminated yesterday when their scummer of a daughter kicked my daughter in the stomach.

Now, there's only so much I can take and I gave out stink to her and threatened to call the police on her if she touched my daughter again. Suffice it to say, her mother took umbridge at this telling off and stormed up to my house to threaten me with violence if I ever went near her little darling any more.

I can't count the number of times I've had to deal with sh!t from this particular family and to make matters worse, in their infinite wisdom, the city council decided to put a family of settled travellers next door to me - the best part is, they're related to the same family and their kids have now started on my daughters too. It's a total nightmare.

I've reported the incident to the anti social behaviour unit, but have told them I don't want them to tell the family in question about my complaint, as I believe it would only escalate the abuse and harrassment. I've already been threatened with having my house burnt down, my kids beaten up and my car stolen and burnt out.
I reported the break-in to the police at the time and they organised a liaison officer to get the families in question to cough up a small amount of compo for the stuff they stole and destroyed, but we got a load of abuse from extended members of their family afterwards and it seems no matter what we do, this family don't intend to stop hasseling us any time soon. My kids are in an awful state, at this stage and I just want to get out now.

Anyway, to cut to the main question, I was just wondering if there is an option to privately swap your council house with another council tenant, as it doesn't seem the council will rehouse me if I'm not willing to make an official statement.
If you agree to swap houses, do the council allow it or are you at risk of losing your house altogether? I've looked at the council's website and there's no info about house swaps at all.

Has anyone else here had any experience of house swaps, or any information on it?

Much thanks - sorry for the long post

i thought the council has an automatic right to throw out unruly tenants, this looks like a case for that, although these are not tenants they are animals,
guess it will be hard to get a swap
no one will want your neighbour, i most certainly would not

Yes Boss

goat2 wrote: »

i thought the council has an automatic right to throw out unruly tenants, this looks like a case for that, although these are not tenants they are animals,
guess it will be hard to get a swap
no one will want your neighbour, i most certainly would not

Why should we be discussing a transfer (the victim should move). Put the scum out on the road!!!!

Bards

Yes Boss wrote: »

Why should we be discussing a transfer (the victim should move). Put the scum out on the road!!!!

The Zoo would be a more appropiate place for them - IQ levels of some of them would make monkeys look like einstein

goat2

Yes Boss wrote: »

Why should we be discussing a transfer (the victim should move). Put the scum out on the road!!!!

i fully agree

this is bullying

Smiley Burnett

itsonlywords wrote: »

No1 Contact the Gardai immediately and tell them to help you.
No2.. Yes and in the meantime she is harrassed even further. This poor woman is desperate and needs help now and not in 6 months time.
No3 Contact David Cullinahane SF representative. No TD in Waterford is worth a damn and they could not care less anyway and have no influence with the city housing office nor should they have.
This lady needs the help she is entitled to and the housing office should be reported to the papers and named and shamed if they do not give immediate assistance.

Maybe DAVID CULLINANE can help! (but i'd doubt it!). After all he is Chairman of the TRAVELLER ACCOMMODATION COMMITTEE!! Maybe he knows the family????? "Ireland of Equals" and all that!!

wmpdd3

I know someone living beside a person who assaulted (police involved but person was under age) their son 3 years ago and have been looking for a transfer since, they have been to councilors etc.....

AdMMM

The advice that Smiley gave is probably the best. It's very difficult to evict families from a house and I know that some Councillors have been campaigning for powers to make it easier because as it was pointed out, it's not the victim that should have to move. I'd recommend you contact a local representative that you would feel comfortable talking to and take it from there.

seanybiker

Dont know how easy it is to be honest. there is a family of little bastards up the road from me. The neighbours have been making complaints the last 2 years and they are still there.

Finnbar01

How do I make a complaint ?
It is always a good idea to keep your own personal diary of anti-social incidents, especially when the behaviour is persistent. In the first instance consider calling the Gardaí. This is particularly important with regard to criminal behaviour. If the Gardaí attend, get the name of the Garda, an incident number or a pulse number. Then call the Anti-social Behaviour Unit on 051-849781.

What happens next ?
The unit records, monitors and investigates all allegations of Anti-social behaviour. At the end of the investigation you will be informed of the result. The result could be a verbal warning or a written warning. In cases where the complaints are proven, are of a high priority and are persistent and where all other steps taken by the Council have not resolved the issue, we will serve "Notice to Quit" and will pursue the matter up to and including eviction.

If you want to report any incidents of Anti-social Behaviour by a council tenant please call the Anti-Social Behaviour Unit on 051-849781.

The complaints procedure is confidential and every effort will be made to protect the identity of the complainants unless the complainant specifically states otherwise.

http://www.waterfordcity.ie/housing/asbo.htm

Remember always get a crime reference number when reporting an incident. As the number of CR records grows in relation to your case, they'll stick out like a sore thumb and the garda will be forced to act.

snuggles09

i know for a fact that you will not get a transfer if you site unruley neighbours as your reason for moving..that doesnt fix the councils problem as the next tenant that goes in their will have the same problem and on it goes so they only option they have is to sort out the trouble makers (not give you a transfer if you know what i mean)...you'd honestly be better off to give a different reason like you need to move to (further from where you are now) X, as your family are there and you need them to mind your children when you work or something like that..the council wont swap you if you put down your neighbours as the reason for moving..its not right i know but thats the way it works in there

wmpdd3

I heard that as well, or that you need an upstairs or down stairs toilet for a medical reason, or an extra bedroom for a child.

Madness but that seems to be the way it works.

Yes Boss

Political Correctness gone mad!! If the Council is not implementing laws that are in place, ring the Ombudsman and you will see them moving. I can guarantee you that no one from the Council are living close to these buggers....

gscully

AdMMM wrote: »

The advice that Smiley gave is probably the best. It's very difficult to evict families from a house and I know that some Councillors have been campaigning for powers to make it easier because as it was pointed out, it's not the victim that should have to move. I'd recommend you contact a local representative that you would feel comfortable talking to and take it from there.

At least if the victim moves on, the perpetrator won't know where they now live. If the perpetrator gets evicted, they'll be looking for retribution and will know exactly where to go.

tc2010

Its very easy to say the neighbours should move but put yourself in the same situation. Some of these scumbags think they run the estates. If by any chance they were thrown out it will lead to a world of hurt

It would be better all round if the OP moved. Im assuming they dont have some kind of vandetta against the OP. the OP is simply in the wrong spot. The scumbags would probably torment anybody

The whole situation could be elevated if its the scumbags that are moved

itsonlywords

tc2010 wrote: »

Its very easy to say the neighbours should move but put yourself in the same situation. Some of these scumbags think they run the estates. If by any chance they were thrown out it will lead to a world of hurt

It would be better all round if the OP moved. Im assuming they dont have some kind of vandetta against the OP. the OP is simply in the wrong spot. The scumbags would probably torment anybody

The whole situation could be elevated if its the scumbags that are moved

I am not advocating that the OP folows what I would do as to do so takes nerve and be prepared for a mother of all battles. I have many friends and I can tell you that I would gather them and deal with the pests for once and for all but that is my way to deal with tramps like them.

Kanoe

my heart goes out to you OP but someone hit the nail on the head re transfers, citing medical reasons is your best bet. I'd be sitting down with my doctor and contacting local representatives before approaching the council. best of luck

Yes Boss

So you are suggesting that the victim has to move their family. At what stage do the perpetrators pay for their act?

This is our legal system in a microcosm. Don't challenge the perpetrator because:

• It would cause too much hassle
• That it's not their fault
• They had a hard life
• They are disadvantaged

It is about time we sorted this kind crap out and allowed honest people to live in peace!!!!

sydsad

This sort of thing would be one of the worse situations to be in i would think.Absolute disgrace.

I dunno how i would react and i hope i never have to find out to be honest.

Hope you get something sorted ASAP.

SillyMcCarthy

I would in your position make some contact with people who will sort out this problem for you! You know who I'm talking about!

SLOOPY

Yes Boss wrote: »

Political Correctness gone mad!! If the Council is not implementing laws that are in place, ring the Ombudsman and you will see them moving. I can guarantee you that no one from the Council are living close to these buggers....

Is there an Ombudsman for this sort of thing?

if so,anyone have a number/link for them?

Have had 2 1/2 years of it from the scum next door
and the bloke we're dealing with from the council has'nt done much.
Just how much do the council expect people to put up with before they act?
Have found them to be totally spineless.

Say's he's had a word 4/5 times now and though it's not as bad as it was
it's still a total pain in the hole being stuck next to this lot.

Dreading the summer as the junior scummers will be off school.
Won't be holding my breathe waiting for the CC to do anything
about it though.

Yes Boss

The contact details for the Ombudmans office:

18 Lr. Leeson Street,
Dublin 2.

Tel: 01-6395600
Lo-Call: 1890 223030

Email: ombudsman@ombudsman.gov.ie

dark crystal

Had another incident with the 11 year old yesterday evening.

Had gone off to collect my fiancee from work (only gone approx. 20 minutes), came back and two of the neighbourhood kids came over to tell us that this girl had been ringing the doorbell and banging on the door, knowing full well we were out. She then went through the broken side gate into my back garden.
When we went into the kitchen, we noticed our daughters Nintendo ds was missing from the table.
My fiancee went down to this girls house for an explaination and was told she wasn't in our back garden. When he said there were witnesses, she still refused to admit it. The mother of the little girl who witnessed it then came out and started hurling abuse at my fiancee, saying she wasn't getting involved.
Anyway, called the police who called out later that evening and reported the incident. Same old story - as the girl is under 12, there's nothing they can do. The two Gards that called out were very nice and sympathised with us, told us to keep reporting any incidents, as it was the only way to get the council moving.

So, that's two burglaries committed by the same child and nothing the police can do about it.

I honestly don't know how much more of this I can take.....