Why do people have something against people on welfare?

JuneBug29

I am on social welfare, as a mature student, and having worked in this society, I feel I am entitled to it to further my education and get further than I could have without it.

I ask this question for two reasons -

Number one - My girlfriend recently bought a house, which we are both living in. On the neighbours.ie website, specified at the area we are living in, someone said of the estate that "they didn't realise so many people claiming benefit were living in the estate before they moved in and they are disgusted."

Number two - There is an actual facebook page against people on benefit having their vote. Link is http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=34265474321&topic=6986 (by the way they can't even spell right)

While I know a lot of people on welfare are wasters, there are other reasons (education, disability, etc) so why would people discriminate against anyone on welfare ESPECIALLY in this day and age?

Fair enough, if you know someone is a scummer and is not giving anything towards society, then that's a different story but what about the people who are legitimately on welfare (either through health reasons or because they paid their taxes for years of work and they deserve to be) or, ESPECIALLY in the economy we live in, simply cannot get any work?

Even before the downturn in the economy there were plenty of legitimate reasons for people to be on (and entitiled to) welfare, so why, especially in the economic climate we are in, do people still look down on people who claim welfare?

How would those people feel about it if they lost their job and livelihood through the economic climate or health reasons (which ANYONE can be afflicted with)??

I almost don't want people saying why they agree with me (as I am sure people will). I want to hear from people who look down on people on welfare and why they feel so superior.

Opium led greed

Because they get more money than me (who works, albeit self-employed) for doing feck all. Especially single mothers with their lone parents allowance, childrens allowance, rent allowance, medical card, and god knows how many other allowances.

Sheeps

It's not so much that they're on social welfare, it's more to do with the fact that they're from the north side.

rovert

Tupac cares, if don't nobody else care

Fear Uladh

If it is a legitimate reason then yes you are entitled to it, to be honest I think they are aiming towards scummers with that page.

JuneBug29

Why do you think they're aiming towards scummers? I don't want just opinions. I want some back up's to any opinions

starbelgrade

JuneBug29 wrote: »

Number one - My girlfriend recently bought a house, which we are both living in. On the neighbours.ie website, specified at the area we are living in, someone said of the estate that "they didn't realise so many people claiming benefit were living in the estate before they moved in and they are disgusted."

There's a forum for neighbours where people in the same area talk to each other via the internet? F*ck me. If I want to talk to my next door neighbour, I'll lean over the wall & have a chat, or go to the resident's meeting. That's just f*cking stupid.

As for being a mature student on the dole - why do you care what other people think? Just get on with it & do your course & f*ck the begrudgers. Sounds to me like you're spending more time looking up daft sites & facebook pages than you are on your studying.

And yes, I do realise that last line made me sound like my mother.

AgileMyth

Personally I have no problem with people claiming welfare...IF there is a genuine reason for them not to be working. Its the people going straight on the dole when they finish school that cause the problem I reckon.

That and people doing a bit of dodgy business on the side;)

dsmythy

If you're a mature student then technically you're not on the "dole", but that's neither here nor there.

strobe

JuneBug29 wrote: »

I am on social welfare....... people who look down on people on welfare and why they feel so superior.

Not answering the question you asked but I might aswell stick my oar in.

You shouldn't care what people you don't know think about you. Some people are just assholes, there is no great mystery to it.

starbelgrade

I have an irrational hatred of students.

Pot Noodle =

Get what you can dont be self employed Hurt these Bstards

JuneBug29

starbelgrade wrote: »

There's a forum for neighbours where people in the same area talk to each other via the internet? F*ck me. If I want to talk to my next door neighbour, I'll lean over the wall & have a chat, or go to the resident's meeting. That's just f*cking stupid.

As for being a mature student on the dole - why do you care what other people think? Just get on with it & do your course & f*ck the begrudgers. Sounds to me like you're spending more time looking up daft sites & facebook pages than you are on your studying.

And yes, I do realise that last line made me sound like my mother.

When you move to an area you can't know everyone. Those sites are a community effort for people to allow each other to know what is happening in the AREA. If someone's house in number 2 is robbed and someone lives in number 398 doesn't it help to put it up on the site whereas number 398 might never know that there were people around trying to break into houses?
It's all about informing neighbours (not necessarily direct neighbours)

Also I am looking after my studies. My results show that. I have NEVER associated myself with ANY social networking sites. I came across that facebook page by chance and on top of having heard about that complaint from someone in the neighbourhood about people on social welfare, it prompted me to ask the question on here.

JuneBug29

dsmythy wrote: »

If you're a mature student then technically you're not on the "dole", but that's neither here nor there.

I'm not on the "dole" but I am claiming a form of welfare so I feel my post is relevant. If everyone turns out to say "oh well if you are on welfare through education of for health reasons then that's ok" personally that's not good enough for me cause I feel people do discriminate against anyone on welfare full stop. Just want to know why. Then again those people will probably never come forward eh?

starbelgrade

JuneBug29 wrote: »

When you move to an area you can't know everyone. Those sites are a community effort for people to allow each other to know what is happening in the AREA. If someone's house in number 2 is robbed and someone lives in number 398 doesn't it help to put it up on the site whereas number 398 might never know that there were people around trying to break into houses?
It's all about informing neighbours (not necessarily direct neighbours)

Also I am looking after my studies. My results show that. I have NEVER associated myself with ANY social networking sites. I came across that facebook page by chance and on top of having heard about that complaint from someone in the neighbourhood about people on social welfare, it prompted me to ask the question on here.

Fair enough. That answers my questions & I can't argue with that.

AgileMyth

Pot wrote:

Get what you can dont be self employed Hurt these Bstards

Didn't realise Bertie Ahern was on here...

m@cc@

JuneBug29 wrote: »

I almost don't want people saying why they agree with me (as I am sure people will). I want to hear from people who look down on people on welfare and why they feel so superior.

I don't feel superior, far from it. I almost feel inferior that I'm working to keep wasters in Sky TV and Cheese and Onion crisps. I only have issue with people who claim welfare when they're not entitled to it. If you are entitled, you've nothing to worry about.

starbelgrade

m@cc@ wrote: »

I don't feel superior, far from it. I almost feel inferior that I'm working to keep wasters in Sky TV and Cheese and Onion crisps. .

That's a f*cking digusting thing to say. Who the f*ck do you think you are? If you took a moment, just a moment, out of your busy schedule, to get down off your high horse, you would see that some people on the dole - and I only say some because I don't have exact figures - prefer salt n' vinegar crisps.

Pot Noodle =

Self employed have got nothing spare a thought for them this Gov does Feck all for them

m@cc@

starbelgrade wrote: »

That's a f*cking digusting thing to say. Who the f*ck do you think you are? If you took a moment, just a moment, out of your busy schedule, to get down off your high horse, you would see that some people on the dole - and I only say some because I don't have exact figures - prefer salt n' vinegar crisps.

Bestard! I was so ready to tear you a new one.

starbelgrade

Pot wrote:

Self employed have got nothing spare a thought for them this Gov does Feck all for them

Think of the children, Joe, just think of them!

starbelgrade

m@cc@ wrote: »

Bestard! I was so ready to tear you a new one.

I was half expecting you to report the post mid-read.

OutlawPete

Cause some people in this world are nasty, small-minded and shallow.

The only way they can feel good about themselves, is if they are gossiping and whispering about how they are better than those that they perceive to be below them.

Of course, these people that they believe to be below them, are not really, far from it in fact, but that's just the mentality of these cretins.

It's so easy to look down on others, but people like that will never truly be happy, as there is something else going on there, that is stopping them from treating others as there equals or at the very least, showing them some respect.

Do these people that behave like this have inferiority complexes or self esteem issues maybe? I think so.

Perhaps one day they will lose their own job and find themselves on the dole too, then maybe it will hit them what arseholes they were, perhaps not.

Karma will kick in anyway, with a little help from above, they will find themselves having to deal with idiots and jerks who think and behave like like they once did and God knows payback can be a bitch.

dragonbet

I always find the whole entitled thing a load of bull.!! I'm sure Micheal O'Learys wife is "entitled" to child benefit and the like but I sincerely doubt the majority of these people are taking it just because they are entitled..! The problem I have is with what seems to be the majority of people on the dole continuously reassuring themselves that they are entitled to €220 a week just cos they paid a bit of stamp for 18months work while their self-employed boss paid their taxes...!!

starbelgrade

OutlawPete wrote: »

The only way they can feel good about themselves, is if they are gossiping and whispering about how they are better than those that they perceive to be below them.



It's so easy to look down on others, but people like that will never truly be happy, as there is something else going on there, that is stopping them from treating others as there equals or at the very least, showing them some respect.

Do these people that behave like this have inferiority complexes or self esteem issues maybe? I think so.

I think you meant to post this in the Bill Cullen thread.

OutlawPete

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think you meant to post this in the Bill Cullen thread.

Didn't see that one, what's he done now?

TEMPLAR KNIGHT

I have nothing against people that are on it for a genuine reason but the scumbags that are on just because they are too lazy to work wreck my head for example I finished school last year and a lot of us went on to college but there also was a good few of lads in my year that had no intention of going to college or trying to get a job and are now on the dole straight out of school and laugh at the fact there getting more money than some people and dont have to work for it and are constantly updating there facebook page with " bag of cans tonight nice one!", I just cant understand them, people that are trying to get jobs and cant i feel sorry for but these fukin dopes and the older versions of them walking around (still doing the same thing when they are 40) should not be allowed anything in my opinion!

Dudess

Some people seem to think that because they've never had to claim welfare, it's some sort of accomplishment, when many of them are no less exempt from losing their jobs as anyone else.

Kiera

You need to stop worrying what others think of you, OP. If they think you're a waster on the dole then let them. They're just judgmental idiots.

Dudess

Ali G: Why is it called "welfare"? Is it because it's well fair...?

we'llallhavetea_old

dragonbet wrote: »

I always find the whole entitled thing a load of bull.!! I'm sure Micheal O'Learys wife is "entitled" to child benefit and the like but I sincerely doubt the majority of these people are taking it just because they are entitled..!

why else are they taking it so?

The problem I have is with what seems to be the majority of people on the dole continuously reassuring themselves that they are entitled to €220 a week just cos they paid a bit of stamp for 18months work while their self-employed boss paid their taxes...!!

if they're claiming the dole then they are entitled to it.

there's your problem solved for you.

JuneBug29

Kiera wrote: »

You need to stop worrying what others think of you, OP. If they think you're a waster on the dole then let them. They're just judgmental idiots.

To be honest with you I don't care. I have people people in my course asking me why I am not working to get through college like it's a sin. I am being asked this by 18 year olds in their first jobs? I have worked more than enough hours to be entitled to welfare during my education. I don't care anymore but my thread is not trying to say that this bothers me. My thread is to ask why do some people still find a problem with people on welfare in this day and age (we're in a recession for god's sake)?

m@cc@

JuneBug29 wrote: »

I have worked more than enough hours to be entitled to welfare during my education.

Hold on a sec. How long you've worked doesn't really come into it when it comes to 'entitlement'. You're entitled to it if you need it, i.e it's not possible for you to support yourself.

Dudess

Opium led greed wrote: »

Because they get more money than me (who works, albeit self-employed) for doing feck all.

Maybe they've lost their job and are claiming welfare while they look for another one? As you'd do?

Especially single mothers with their lone parents allowance, childrens allowance, rent allowance, medical card, and god knows how many other allowances.

Like what? If you were a woman with a child or children and no partner so therefore no second income so a good chunk of your wages if you worked would have to pay for childcare, wouldn't you claim what you're entitled to? Bloody helll, I know I would.

starbelgrade

OutlawPete wrote: »

Didn't see that one, what's he done now?

Same thing he's always done. Been on Irish TV, spouting sh*te about penny apples, his failed marraige, his bird, who looks like ET & nothing much else.

The underlying tone to his ever increasing public appearance is basically that he likes to get up before the worms, and fapp off to his own image in the morning, to the mantra of "I am Bill Cullen".

Space coddle.

RayM

I've found that the types who moan most vocally about social welfare recipients are usually very bitter and unhappy with their own lives. They hate the idea that anybody else might be getting something that they aren't. If it happens to be easy to apply a trite, class-based stereotype to the "anybody else" in question, then that's an added bonus.

I don't get their mentality. Even when I was working horrible, anti-social hours in a minimum-wage retail job, it never bothered me that there were others out there receiving "money for nothing". And why would it? What other people get makes absolutely no difference to me. Even if single mothers, the long-term unemployed, asylum seekers (and any other supposedly "inferior" groups) were all forced into work or rounded up and shot (and let's face it - a lot of the aforementioned embittered, right-wing arseholes would love nothing more), I still would have been getting up at 5:30am every morning to spend eleven soul-destroying hours scowling at customers.

I'm on the dole at the moment, and I'm quite happy. I don't spend my weekly €196 on Sky TV and cheese & onion crisps, but I do stretch to the odd cheap book or DVD from Amazon, and even a Boards.ie subscription. Should I feel guilty that hard-working tax-payers are working hard and paying their taxes to fund my general feeling of contentment?

starbelgrade

RayM wrote: »

I've found that the types who moan most vocally about social welfare recipients are usually very bitter and unhappy with their ..


I'm on the dole at the moment, and I'm quite happy. I don't spend my weekly €196 on Sky TV and cheese & onion crisps,

Salt n' Vinegar doleites are the worst.

m@cc@

RayM wrote: »

I'm on the dole at the moment, and I'm quite happy. I don't spend my weekly €196 on Sky TV and cheese & onion crisps, but I do stretch to the odd cheap book or DVD from Amazon, and even a Boards.ie subscription. Should I feel guilty that hard-working tax-payers are working hard and paying their taxes to fund my general feeling of contentment?

That's the difference I guess. I was unemployed in Oz for about 3 months and granted, the first week was great but after that, I was far from content. The missus was working and earning good money but that's not the point. There's something soul destroying for me about not being self-sufficient.

dragonbet

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

why else are they taking it so?

Many people are not taking it....!!!!

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

if they're claiming the dole then they are entitled to it.
there's your problem solved for you.

Yes, am Johnny from up the road who has been on benefit the last ten years, drinks and bets on horse all day, and didnt even work in the good times is """"entitled""" to it...!!! THATS THE PROBLEM

dragonbet

RayM wrote: »

And why would it? What other people get makes absolutely no difference to me.

It makes every difference in the world to you..... CRAZY way of thinking

Rothmans

Welfare line ftw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wor0fSSdby8

RayM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I was unemployed in Oz for about 3 months and granted, the first week was great but after that, I was far from content.

I know so many people who feel the same way about unemployment - to the extent that they'll gladly do a day's work for nothing, just so that they have "something to do". I'm glad I've yet to reach that stage...

dragonbet wrote:

It makes every difference in the world to you..... CRAZY way of thinking

It really doesn't make any difference. It might seem unfair that you work your arse off, while somebody else spends their time drinking and betting (or whatever other stereotypical pastimes the unemployed happen to partake in), but if you get irate about every perceived injustice in the world, however minor or inconsequential to your own life, you end up going mental.

Biggins

JuneBug29 wrote: »

I am on social welfare, as a mature student, and having worked in this society, I feel I am entitled to it to further my education and get further than I could have without it.

There is an actual facebook page against people on benefit having their vote. Link is http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=34265474321&topic=6986 (by the way they can't even spell right)...

I posted the following comment on that discussion - although I expect it to be removed by the creator of the discussion.
""people on welfare should not have the right to vote" - possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen posted so far on the net - and I have seen some dumb things.
There's no point in listing the reasons why. If some really thinks that stated thought above, they in that poor mental state, are clearly not going to comprehend the complexities of inner workings between current social class and political divides alone, their right to representation and how one can easily become the other in class of status at an instant turn of a coin to paraphrase.

Daftness of the highest order. I'm outa here."

'Nuff said.

m@cc@

Biggins wrote: »

I posted the following comment on that discussion - although I expect it to be removed by the creator of the discussion.
""people on welfare should not have the right to vote" - possibly one of the dumbest things I've seen posted so far on the net - and I have seen some dumb things.
There's no point in listing the reasons why. If some really thinks that stated thought above, they in that poor mental state, are clearly not going to comprehend the complexities of inner workings between current social class and political divides alone, their right to representation and how one can easily become the other in class of status at an instant turn of a coin to paraphrase.

Daftness of the highest order. I'm outa here."

'Nuff said.

A close second? Either argue your point sufficiently or shut up but don't make assumptions about people's intelligence or mental state.

Biggins

m@cc@ wrote: »

A close second? Either argue your point suffciently or shut up but don't make assumptions about people's intelligence or mental state.

Poor state of non-comprehension. A bit ironic given your risen question?

m@cc@

Biggins wrote: »

Poor state of non-comprehension. A bit ironic given your risen question?

I would have thought the greater irony would have been using the sentence 'There's no point in listing the reasons why' before listing the said reasons.

arsenallegend

Well this is my first time been on a Education benefit with BTEA
every time i've studied i've been working nights and paying my own way through
i would have done the same this time but i was let go from my job so i'm stuck with being helped.

Biggins

m@cc@ wrote: »

I would have thought the greater irony would have been using the sentence 'There's no point in listing the reasons why' before listing the said reasons.

We're getting into sermantics now but I listed just two of the areas pertaining to possible reasons, not the reasons themselves.

PeakOutput

JuneBug29 wrote: »

On the neighbours.ie website, specified at the area we are living in, someone said of the estate that "they didn't realise so many people claiming benefit were living in the estate before they moved in and they are disgusted."

if someonesaid that about a group i was part of i wouldnt be able to keep my mouth shut thats a disgrace and they should be publicly humiliated

but its obvious the type of welfare recipients people have a problem with and you dont sound like one of them

Raiser

JuneBug29 wrote: »

While I know a lot of people on welfare are wasters.

OP why do you feel entitled to judge certain People who are on welfare and then get anxious and angsty in case others make the exact same type of judgements about you?

- It stinks of narcissism, hypocrisy and double-standards if you ask me.....

we'llallhavetea_old

dragonbet wrote: »

Many people are not taking it....!!!!

if thats what you were trying to say, i didn't understand that. who's not taking it? the wealthy? how do you know?

Yes, am Johnny from up the road who has been on benefit the last ten years, drinks and bets on horse all day, and didnt even work in the good times is """"entitled""" to it...!!! THATS THE PROBLEM

if you don't think he's entitled to the dole then report him.