Limerick petrol station owners object to tesco petrol

munstergirl

From todays limerick leader,
Now we all know how limerick prices are for petrol, so i say WELCOME TESCO. (coonagh)
Hope limerick city council give them permission.

Shammy

hopefully , the prices are getting rediculous.

JerryHandbag

No sympathy for them, the prices at the minute are offensive.

Berty

Tesco = Statoil Fuel

Tesco = Cheaper than indentical Statoil Fuel

Stab*City

Once again the greedy are running scared.. WELCOME TESCO PETROL

goingpostal

Tesco better get permission. Its about time someone broke up the price cartel. We are getting our pants pulled down at the moment.

Raiser

Please let this be the end of Limericks dishonest Fuel Cartel.

- I'd happily drive across town and queue in Tesco to buy fuel at competitive, market-controlled prices rather than be left with no choice other than to support our local price fixing W@nkers.

Is there any Office in particular who can be lobbied/petitioned?

Berty

Raiser wrote: »

Is there any Office in particular who can be lobbied/petitioned?

Planning would have to be voted by the county councillors so find out who they are and lobby them to ensure they pass the planning.

Im sure the Limerick Post / Leader will pick up on this but if not why not let the editor know from their websites.

Mc Love

tesco petrol - YES PLEASE

langdang

The council in Cork refused permission for Tesco to build a petrol station, as adding a 7th station to the area would affect the business of the other 6?? (Thanks to Lobbying from SIMI according to this link : http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/article547304.ece )

What are the chances of Limerick council acting to prevent competition???

Berty

That story was in 2005.

The world is truly a different place now where competition and "VALUE" is far more important than it ever was.

phog

Berty wrote: »

That story was in 2005.

The world is truly a different place now where competition and "VALUE" is far more important than it ever was.

That's the problem, in Ireland during the "Celtic Tiger" people that had the chance to ride the customer did so in the knowledge that they would make their money anyhow, now people think we should get value, we should have got and sought value. I've always shopped around in particualr for fuel, it's so easy as the prices are advertised outside every petrol station.

BTW - 131.9 in Corbally this evening.

JerryHandbag

136.9 at a filling station not far from me near Croom.....****ing depressing

thesimpsons

Berty wrote: »

Planning would have to be voted by the county councillors so find out who they are and lobby them to ensure they pass the planning.

Im sure the Limerick Post / Leader will pick up on this but if not why not let the editor know from their websites.

Coonagh is in the City Council area - city council desparate for money so I can see it being passed. However, can see traffic problems with cars queueing up there as the entry is same one for entry to the shopping centre and Ferndale housing.

munstergirl

There is 2 exits from coonagh, + tesco is open 24 hours so hopefully traffic excuse won't work.
Plus there is no other petrol station on that side of ennis road.

osarusan

How much cheaper might it be?

gaf1983

Well there is another petrol station on that side of the road - the one beside Xtra-Vision.

The excuse the petrol station owners gave in the Leader article about why they oppose the opening is pathetic: we don't want to have to let their staff go. :rolleyes: My arse, they should just come clean and say they don't want their cartel being disrupted.

phog

osarusan wrote: »

How much cheaper might it be?

It's not - if this is anything to go by.:mad:

phill106

phog wrote: »

It's not - if this is anything to go by.:mad:

If you do a search for dundrum on same map, shows one other topaz, where petrol is the same, diesel is a cent cheaper.
Dont tesco also give few cent off per litre once you buy a certain amount in supermarket?
or do you get clubcard points too.....

Raiser

phog wrote: »

It's not - if this is anything to go by.:mad:

Heard on Newstalk this morning that Tesco Ballinasloe is 126.9

langdang

Berty wrote: »

That story was in 2005.

The world is truly a different place now where competition and "VALUE" is far more important than it ever was.

Same gimps in charge tho, all the way to the top...

Kess73

gaf1983 wrote: »

Well there is another petrol station on that side of the road - the one beside Xtra-Vision.

The excuse the petrol station owners gave in the Leader article about why they oppose the opening is pathetic: we don't want to have to let their staff go. :rolleyes: My arse, they should just come clean and say they don't want their cartel being disrupted.

Ahh but a cartel is illegal, so they can hardly come out with the truth as to why they don't want to be forced into being slightly more competitive.

The same tired excuses were trotted out by a certain cinema in Limerick when they objected to the proposed cinema in the Coonagh shopping centre. They had things like "would have to let staff go" and "not fair" in their complaint.

Mind you Tesco are no angels on that front either. It was them who had the building of a Lidl store on the site of the old Texaco station on the dual carriageway blocked. Lidl eventually going in across from the Jetland.

Competition seems a dirty word in Ireland.

TestTransmission

osarusan wrote: »

How much cheaper might it be?

phog wrote: »

It's not - if this is anything to go by.:mad:

phill106 wrote: »

If you do a search for dundrum on same map, shows one other topaz, where petrol is the same, diesel is a cent cheaper.
Dont tesco also give few cent off per litre once you buy a certain amount in supermarket?
or do you get clubcard points too.....

When tesco built a new supermarket in Tullamore,there was also a Tesco petrol station opened,was about 4/5 cent cheaper went it first opened.Now,its the same.

Berty

TestTransmission wrote: »

When tesco built a new supermarket in Tullamore,there was also a Tesco petrol station opened,was about 4/5 cent cheaper went it first opened.Now,its the same.

You need to factor in the savings you can make with your Tesco Card which will end up saving you money in the long run and every so often you will get a few cent off your fuel if you buy certain products.

TestTransmission

Berty wrote: »

You need to factor in the savings you can make with your Tesco Card which will end up saving you money in the long run and every so often you will get a few cent off your fuel if you buy certain products.

They had an offer for 5 cent off every litre when you shopped over 50 euro but that stopped aswell.Suppose,if its nearby and you have a tesco clubcard its good.

My mate who runs a taxi company gets them all to fill up there,they all use his clubcard...gets some amount of vouchers every few months

Casperbhoy

hopefully this happens

thesimpsons

munstergirl wrote: »

There is 2 exits from coonagh, + tesco is open 24 hours so hopefully traffic excuse won't work.
Plus there is no other petrol station on that side of ennis road.

Theres only the one exit from Coonagh shopping centre - everything filters through Coonagh roundabout. Getting in and out of Ferndale if you live there must be very frustrating - I visit it couple of time a week and feel residents were very badly shafted. To go from the houses to the shops you have to come out of estate, drive the full way round the roundabout and back into Tesco again. The plans for the petrol station are out at the front of the centre near the roundabout. With the tunnel opening the petrol station should do very well. Is Shiels garage still open for petrol????

Kess73

thesimpsons wrote: »

Theres only the one exit from Coonagh shopping centre - everything filters through Coonagh roundabout. Getting in and out of Ferndale if you live there must be very frustrating - I visit it couple of time a week and feel residents were very badly shafted. To go from the houses to the shops you have to come out of estate, drive the full way round the roundabout and back into Tesco again. The plans for the petrol station are out at the front of the centre near the roundabout. With the tunnel opening the petrol station should do very well. Is Shiels garage still open for petrol????

You can go out the back way also and get onto the dual carriageway that way.

Berty

Also the petrol station in Sheils is technically Co Clare so the council wont really car about their objections.

Everyone for themselves.

RonMexico

I trust the council to make the correct wrong decision.

phog

Raiser wrote: »

Heard on Newstalk this morning that Tesco Ballinasloe is 126.9

I was there last week and a few stations are 126, is this because of Tesco or did Tesco follow the other stations down to that price?

Kess73

Reread the article in the Chronicle a few minutes ago, and I have to laugh at how the owner of the Premier Service Station on the Ennis Road gave direct quotes claiming that he would have to let twenty full and part time workers go if Tesco put a fuel station in Coonagh.

In other words he now has an excuse for letting people go if he wants to and can blame Tesco for it. It also means that he wants to keep his prices high, along with most of the other stations in and around the town, and not be competitive in any way, despite the fact that stations in rural areas with lower customer numbers who are buying their fuel from the same source can sell the fuel at 3, 4, or 5 cent a litre less.

I drove between Listowel and Tarbert last week, and it was funny how stations along that route could have unleaded for 129.9 and 128.9 when the boyos in Limerick with much higher volumes of customers are selling it at up to 135.9 a litre and maybe higher for unleaded.

Next time people are driving out the Dock road or out past the Crescent Shopping centre on their way to the Southcourt roundabout, pay attention to the prices. Then if you are driving out the Foynes road or out the Newcastlewest road or out past Charleville heading for Cork, or on that Listowel to Tarbert road do the same with the garages there and wonder why our Limerick ones are staying dearer despite being able to buy the fuel in larger volumes due to higher footfall, and also bear in mind that all the fuel is coming from the same source in Cork which is the old Statoil depot which supplies Topaz, Texaco, Campus etc etc.

bazz26

You would imagine that Tesco would get planning permission to open a filling station as the old Texaco site just after Elm Motors was never reopened or redeveloped. One replacing the other.

krudler

Fcuk the petrol stations, they were all too happy to charge more for petrol they had already bought before the price of a barrel went up and expect nobody to complain, well now people have an alternative

Kess73

Plus isn't the carbon tax on petrol and diesel due to kick in during May?

If so, it is even more reason for people to want to see a bit of competition for their generally hard earned euro.

bazz26

Kess73 wrote: »

Plus isn't the carbon tax on petrol and diesel due to kick in during May?

If so, it is even more reason for people to want to see a bit of competition for their generally hard earned euro.

Apparently it was added to petrol and diesel back in the last budget. It is being applied to home heating oil from next month.

KenmareGirl

Hi all, I've heard (more than once) that Tesco petrol is of a poor quality and not good for a car engine, any truth in that I wonder?

Berty

KenmareGirl wrote: »

Hi all, I've heard (more than once) that Tesco petrol is of a poor quality and not good for a car engine, any truth in that I wonder?

Best avoid Topaz as well because it's the exact same fuel.

MissHoneyBun

Retailers are pricing themselves out of the market with their astronomical prices and have no-one to blame but themselves if customers go elsewhere to get the same, cheaper. They do realise that customers don't just exist to keep their businesses afloat yeah? :rolleyes:

bazz26

In fairness folks, the Exchequer is the main winner here. Duty, carbon tax and vat make up a larger part of the price of a litre of petrol/diesel than what the retailer/distributer sees. The tax man takes over 80c out of every €1.33 we pay per litre of petrol.

See here:
http://www.pumps.ie/FAQPricesExplained.php

Now in saying that it in no way justifies price controlling or cartels by retailers in certain locations.

phog

bazz26 wrote: »

In fairness folks, the Exchequer is the main winner here. Duty, carbon tax and vat make up a larger part of the price of a litre of petrol/diesel than what the retailer/distributer sees. The tax man takes over 80c out of every €1.33 we pay per litre of petrol.

See here:
http://www.pumps.ie/FAQPricesExplained.php

Now in saying that it in no way justifies price controlling or cartels by retailers in certain locations.

The exchequer takes the same cut from the service stations in the republic but as mentioned above last week I got petrol in Ballinsloe for 126 but here in Limerick it would cost me 133, I know which price I prefer.

bazz26

phog wrote: »

The exchequer takes the same cut from the service stations in the republic but as mentioned above last week I got petrol in Ballinsloe for 126 but here in Limerick it would cost me 133, I know which price I prefer.

Now I'm not here to fight the retailer's corner and have no connection with them but as I understand it, it is not as straight forward as it seems. Some retailers make very little profit from selling fuel but compensate for this by getting people to spend money in their forecourt shops too. Draw people in by shaving a cent or two off a litre of fuel and make up the difference by selling newspapers, milk, bread, etc.

Of course like in any business there is a certain level of greed too so it is up to the consumer to choose where they want to spend their money and how much value they get from it.

Itsdacraic

That website indicates a profit to the retailer of 11c per litre.

At the moment you get roughly 15l for your €20 of petrol, so that is only working out at €1.65 for every €20. That means you either need a very successful shop attached or fill a serious amount of petrol tanks before you start making decent money.

No doubt there were fellas creaming it, but you only have to look and see how many petrol stations have closed down in recent years to see that it's not exactly a licence to print money.

langdang

Guess what one of the major complaints will be "boo hoo tesco sell low price fuel as a loss leader so they can sell more groceries etc it's not fair", when this is pretty much the same business model as most petrol stations (they make sweet FA off the fuel apparently, the money comes from bottles of coke, donuts, coffee and car washes)

phog

bazz26 wrote: »

Now I'm not here to fight the retailer's corner and have no connection with them but as I understand it, it is not as straight forward as it seems. Some retailers make very little profit from selling fuel but compensate for this by getting people to spend money in their forecourt shops too. Draw people in by shaving a cent or two off a litre of fuel and make up the difference by selling newspapers, milk, bread, etc.

Of course like in any business there is a certain level of greed too so it is up to the consumer to choose where they want to spend their money and how much value they get from it.

Itsdacraic wrote: »

That website indicates a profit to the retailer of 11c per litre.

At the moment you get roughly 15l for your €20 of petrol, so that is only working out at €1.65 for every €20. That means you either need a very successful shop attached or fill a serious amount of petrol tanks before you start making decent money.

No doubt there were fellas creaming it, but you only have to look and see how many petrol stations have closed down in recent years to see that it's not exactly a licence to print money.

There's a dive of a "service" station on the Ennis side of Gort, it's the cheapest petrol between Limerick and Galway and it is triving, I doubt many customers are spending much other than fuel.

Berty

phog wrote: »

There's a dive of a "service" station on the Ennis side of Gort, it's the cheapest petrol between Limerick and Galway and it is triving, I doubt many customers are spending much other than fuel.

Certainly right. It is some dive of a station but it is ALWAYS jammed with vehicles.

They will be hit hard when Gort is bypassed.

goingpostal

The ideal solution would be if our beloved Govt stopped charging so much tax on fuel, and enforced price controlling legislation to ensure proper competition between petrol stations. Seeing as that is about as likely to happen as me growing a third arm, I will settle for cheap fuel from Tesco for a few months and listening to a few greedy petrol station owners bleating and whinnying.

bazz26

phog wrote: »

There's a dive of a "service" station on the Ennis side of Gort, it's the cheapest petrol between Limerick and Galway and it is triving, I doubt many customers are spending much other than fuel.

There are lots of reasons that are not apparent why one place can charge less or more than another. Some of these forecourts make their money in other ways other than fuel while fuel is the primary source of revenue for others. They guy in Gort obviously hasn't invested any money in his premises, maybe he doesn't have as many staff as some other forecourts, therefore he can afford to charge less for his fuel to attract customers while still making a living.

BTW I'm quit happy for Tesco to open a filling station here.

macbog

I will gladly drive from Shannon to Coonagh for cheaper fuel . We are being ripped by the two filling stations here . One weekend recently the Topaz station put up their prices three times in as many days . No way did they get a delivery three times that weekend . Cant wait to see them get a kick in the pants .

Kess73

macbog wrote: »

I will gladly drive from Shannon to Coonagh for cheaper fuel . We are being ripped by the two filling stations here . One weekend recently the Topaz station put up their prices three times in as many days . No way did they get a delivery three times that weekend . Cant wait to see them get a kick in the pants .

Does Trixie Toomey or family still run the Topaz (formally Shell) in Shannon?

macbog

Kess73 wrote: »

Does Trixie Toomey or family still run the Topaz (formally Shell) in Shannon?

No . Have no idea who own it now . They were competitve one time but now their among the most expensive in the area .