South Park

Sheeps

South Park creators are reported to be writing a new episode of their show featuring drawings of the prophet mohammed(pbuh). This is a new low for atheists picking on different religions. Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions and their belief systems but when your beliefs trample on others peoples beliefs then it becomes a problem.

Mark Hamill

Sheeps wrote: »

South Park creators are reported to be writing a new episode of their show featuring drawings of the prophet mohammed(pbuh). This is a new low for atheists picking on different religions. Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions and their belief systems but when your beliefs trample on others peoples beliefs then it becomes a problem.

Wow, you are way out of date pal, this happened in 2001 in the episode "Super Best Friends" and he has actually appeared in nearly every episode since.

Edit: emm, seeing as how long they have had so many other religious leaders in the show (eg. Jesus, who kills a load of Iraqis to save Santa, Moses, who is a big gold head and Buddha, who did coke), it occurs to me that you are either a massive hypocrit or could just be taking the piss

MikeC101

Sheeps wrote: »

South Park creators are reported to be writing a new episode of their show featuring drawings of the prophet mohammed(pbuh). This is a new low for atheists picking on different religions. Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions and their belief systems but when your beliefs trample on others peoples beliefs then it becomes a problem.

South Park has consistently made fun of all the major religions. Oh, and scientology too.

If you don't like it, don't watch it. If it offends your delicate sensibilities, you better stay away from the article on Muhammad on Wikipedia.

fatmammycat

Sheeps wrote: »

South Park creators are reported to be writing a new episode of their show featuring drawings of the prophet mohammed(pbuh). This is a new low for atheists picking on different religions. Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions and their belief systems but when your beliefs trample on others peoples beliefs then it becomes a problem.

Get over yourself.

Sam Vimes

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Wow, you are way out of date pal, this happened in 2001 in the episode "Super Best Friends" and he has actually appeared in nearly every episode since.

There's a new one. Saw it the other day. Funny enough

PDN

Oh my God! They just stoned Kenny!

Sam Vimes

Sheeps wrote: »

South Park creators are reported to be writing a new episode of their show featuring drawings of the prophet mohammed(pbuh). This is a new low for atheists picking on different religions. Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions and their belief systems but when your beliefs trample on others peoples beliefs then it becomes a problem.

Are you serious?

The episode doesn't feature drawings of him btw. All images of him are censored out with a big black rectangle with the word censored on it lest some people get angry because someone who is not a member of their religion didn't follow the religion's rules.

Sheeps

MikeC101 wrote: »

South Park has consistently made fun of all the major religions. Oh, and scientology too.

If you don't like it, don't watch it. If it offends your delicate sensibilities, you better stay away from the article on Muhammad on Wikipedia.

Thats not an excuse. You have to respect people's beliefs. Islam respects Atheists beliefs and you guys should do the same for Islam.

amacachi

They took quite a lot of urine out of Dawkins as well. There's no-one they won't make fun of.

mehfesto

Watching South Park, having a strong religious affiliation and expecting not to be offended is like putting a loaded gun to your head, pulling the trigger and expecting to be cool afterwards.

Just doesn't happen.


Also if you had seen the 200th episode you would have seen Mohammad was censored heavily with a big black and white 'parental-warning' type sign. He then appeared in a bear suit. It wasn't him, it was merely a reference to him - playing with the notion that you can't show him to anyone without the threat of violence/accusations of hate-crime...

Sheeps

mehfesto wrote: »

Also if you had seen the 200th episode you would have seen Mohammad was censored heavily with a big black and white 'parental-warning' type sign. He then appeared in a bear suit. It wasn't him, it was merely a reference to him - playing with the notion that you can't show him to anyone without the threat of violence/accusations of hate-crime...

In many ways that's even worse.

iUseVi

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Wow, you are way out of date pal, this happened in 2001 in the episode "Super Best Friends" and he has actually appeared in nearly every episode since.

Edit: emm, seeing as how long they have had so many other religious leaders in the show (eg. Jesus, who kills a load of Iraqis to save Santa, Moses, who is a big gold head and Buddha, who did coke), it occurs to me that you are either a massive hypocrit or could just be taking the piss

Yeah Mohammed has been shown before, I think the confusion comes from that Comedy Central in the US has always censored the image of Mohammed with a black square. This episode might be the first where it is uncensored on Comedy Central.

Can't remember was there a black square on the repeats of it over here or not?

EDIT: seems by the time I posted this it was already out of date, wow these threads move fast.

MikeC101

Sheeps wrote: »

Thats not an excuse. You have to respect people's beliefs.

No I don't. I respect a persons right to have those beliefs, I have absolutely no need to have respect for their actual beliefs.

Sheeps wrote: »

Islam respects Atheists beliefs and you guys should do the same for Islam.

What if one of my beliefs is that people can draw and display pictures of Muhammed all they want, you'll respect that?

Mark Hamill

Sheeps wrote: »

Thats not an excuse. You have to respect people's beliefs. Islam respects Atheists beliefs and you guys should do the same for Islam.

You dont have to respect any ones beliefs. You do have to respect that people will have their own beliefs, and you should allow them to explain and defend them, but that doesn mean they are free from criticism or ridicule. South park is complete equal in its ridicule of all religions, Christianity, Mormonism, Scientology, and even Atheism* has been done on the show. I dont hear you calling for their respect.

*not a religion.

iUseVi

Honestly I think it's about time they ripped it out of Mohammed. The things they've done with Jesus - it's only fair.

Sheeps

MikeC101 wrote: »

No I don't. I respect a persons right to have those beliefs, I have absolutely no need to have respect for their actual beliefs.

Yeah, you gotta respect what peoples beliefs are. People rely on their beliefs to live and once you start disrespecting human life like that... well look at Hitler.

MikeC101 wrote: »

What if one of my beliefs is that people can draw and display pictures of Muhammed all they want, you'll respect that?

You spelled Mohammed(pbuh) wrong. Also, Islam's belief system has been around longer than yours. You can't just make up stuff to suit your own agenda. Their has to be some weight behind your argument.

mehfesto

Sheeps wrote: »

In many ways that's even worse.

Hows that? They technically did nothing wrong

Jesus has a talk show on the program. Vishnu is a coke addict and Barbara Streisand is a metal godzilla... you are aware this is an intentionally offensive cartoon, right?

Sheeps

Stalin and Hitler were atheists who had similar attitudes to respecting people's beliefs to the ones expressed in this thread by the way.

fatmammycat

Sheeps wrote: »

Thats not an excuse. You have to respect people's beliefs. Islam respects Atheists beliefs and you guys should do the same for Islam.

You don't get to go through life demanding nothing offends you. I don't 'have' to respect ANY belief. I don't give a monkey's about islam or any other religion. ALL religions are open to mockery.

fatmammycat

Sheeps wrote: »

Stalin and Hitler were atheists who had similar attitudes to respecting people's beliefs to the ones expressed in this thread by the way.

Woot! Ding ding Godwin's law is in the house!

Sheeps

No you don't and there's no reason that religions should be open to mockery. That's a disgraceful attitude to have.

MikeC101

iUseVi wrote: »

Honestly I think it's about time they ripped it out of Mohammed. The things they've done with Jesus - it's only fair.

When you look at modern things that would be considered blasphemous to Christians like Piss Christ or Jerry Springer the Opera, you do have to wonder what would happen if anyone did something like this with Mohammed.

(Or do you - the reaction to the Jyllands-Posten pictures kind of speaks for itself)

fatmammycat

Sheeps wrote: »

No you don't and there's no reason that religions should be open to mockery. That's a disgraceful attitude to have.

Too bad, why don't you draw a cartoon about it.

Mark Hamill

iUseVi wrote: »

Yeah Mohammed has been shown before, I think the confusion comes from that Comedy Central in the US has always censored the image of Mohammed with a black square. This episode might be the first where it is uncensored on Comedy Central.

Can't remember was there a black square on the repeats of it over here or not?

EDIT: seems by the time I posted this it was already out of date, wow these threads move fast.

I think they do censor the repeats, but its largely pointless. Muhammad has appeared in almost every episode since, he's in the opening credits.

MikeC101

Sheeps wrote: »

Yeah, you gotta respect what peoples beliefs are. People rely on their beliefs to live and once you start disrespecting human life like that... well look at Hitler.

I don't think I've ever used a facepalm picture before, but I'm tempted.

Sheeps wrote: »

You spelled Mohammed(pbuh) wrong. Also, Islam's belief system has been around longer than yours. You can't just make up stuff to suit your own agenda. Their has to be some weight behind your argument.

I usually call him Mo-Dawg.

I don't have a belief system, but if lenght of time a belief has been around is a factor, then there's plenty of religions older than Islam.

Sam Vimes

Sheeps wrote: »

well look at Hitler.

Godwinned

/thread

iUseVi

MikeC101 wrote: »

When you look at modern things that would be considered blasphemous to Christians like Piss Christ or Jerry Springer the Opera, you do have to wonder what would happen if anyone did something like this with Mohammed.

(Or do you - the reaction to the Jyllands-Posten pictures kind of speaks for itself)

I think it's about time someone does just to see what does happen.

MikeC101

Sheeps wrote: »

Stalin and Hitler were atheists who had similar attitudes to respecting people's beliefs to the ones expressed in this thread by the way.

They drew pictures of Mohammed? The feckers!!

iUseVi wrote: »

I think it's about time someone does just to see what does happen.

Unfortunately I think there's a very real fear that anyone who did could be killed.

Sheeps

MikeC101 wrote: »

I don't have a belief system, but if lenght of time a belief has been around is a factor, then there's plenty of religions older than Islam.

Atheism is a belief system. You believe that Allah doesn't exists therefore you have a belief system.

fatmammycat

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Godwinned

/thread

Oh no you don't Mr Man, I rumbled his Godwin first :P

fatmammycat

Sheeps wrote: »

Atheism is a belief system. You believe that Allah doesn't exists therefore you have a belief system.

He doesn't exist, he may have done once, but he's dead now. No real belief involved in knowing a dead person is dead. Much like Jesus.

Dr. Loon

Sheeps wrote: »

South Park creators are reported to be writing a new episode of their show featuring drawings of the prophet mohammed(pbuh). This is a new low for atheists picking on different religions. Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions and their belief systems but when your beliefs trample on others peoples beliefs then it becomes a problem.

What a stupid post. As has been mentioned, South Park have ripped the piss out of every religion and everything. Nothing's taboo.

Aside from that, each religion pretty much tramples on the beliefs of others don't they? Has to be a troll.

Sheeps

Sheeps wrote: »

Atheism is a belief system. You believe that Allah doesn't exists therefore you have a belief system.

All of that sentence is wrong, including the grammar and spelling.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Mark Hamill

Sheeps wrote: »

You can't just make up stuff to suit your own agenda. Their has to be some weight behind your argument.

ROFL. You have to be a satirist. There's no way a theist could say something so incredibly hypocritical without copping on to how it sounds.

mehfesto

Sheeps wrote: »

Atheism is a belief system. You believe that Allah doesn't exists therefore you have a belief system.

No we don't believe anything. At all. Ever. Infact I'm pretty sure the question mark doesn't exist.

Sheeps

im p sure you believe that allah doesnt exist

Sheeps

Sheeps wrote: »

im p sure you believe that allah doesnt exist

Well neither do you therefore you must be an atheist!

Hurrah, welcome to the fold brother!

Do a better job at trolling next time, Sheeps.

MikeC101

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Do a better job at trolling next time, Sheeps.

I think his main error was the early Godwinising of the thread, along with a lack of outrage.

Plowman

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iUseVi

MikeC101 wrote: »

I think his main error was the early Godwinising of the thread, along with a lack of outrage.

Also forgot to use that silly "pbuh" thing once.

Ash.J.Williams

South park is trhe only source of any decent information these days

Dont be at yourself

Sheeps wrote: »

Also, Islam's belief system has been around longer than yours.

I dunno, but I reckon personal freedom, freedom of speech and of expression are beliefs that have been around since about the dawn of mankind.

You can believe what you want, and you can choose to draw or not draw pictures of whomever you want. You can't push those beliefs and choices on me though.

South Park works because it pulls no punches. It is offensive to none because it is offensive to all. They have attacked christianity, scientology, buddhism, jewish people, blind people, deaf people, the handicapped, homosexuals, celebrities and virtually every walk of life you can think of. To say that one particular religion or entity should be above satire or criticism is an arrogant, disgusting notion.

I really hope Comedy Central have the balls to show Muhammad. Not because I want to upset Muslim people, but because everyone and everything should be on a level playing field.

Zillah

I wouldn't make fun of people's religious beliefs if their religious beliefs weren't completely ridiculous.

Anyway he's trolling. I was considering an actual response but his post history makes it pretty clear he's not a muslim nor the sort to white knight for them.

Flamed Diving

Sheeps wrote: »

In many ways that's even worse.

It many ways, the only reason their prophet must walk around in a cutesy bear suit is because of Islam's penchant for having their precious feelings hurt and burning down buildings as a reaction, all while laughably calling themselves a 'religion of peace'. Actions have a funny way of backfiring sometimes.

robindch

From the current Jesus and Mo.

Shenshen

Reminds me a bit of way back when the Satanic Verses were first published, and some Iranian cleric called on believers to kill Salman Rushdie.
They interviewed one of the demonstrators outside a British embassy in Pakistan (I think it was), and he more or less said that he hasn't read the book, but so-and-so says it's disrespectful of Islam, so he will kill Salman Rushdie if he gets a chance.

I know I'm showing my age, but it does saddens me quite a bit to find people haven't used the decades since to grow up a bit.

krudler

I loved how South Park tried to stick it to Islam, I'm no believer but it annoys me how chrisitans, jews, mormons, scientologists and any other religious types are fair game but the Islamic crazies have to be left alone for fear they'll go all jihad on someone, they put the mental in fundamentalist

krudler

Sheeps wrote: »

South Park creators are reported to be writing a new episode of their show featuring drawings of the prophet mohammed(pbuh). This is a new low for atheists picking on different religions. Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions and their belief systems but when your beliefs trample on others peoples beliefs then it becomes a problem.

Think thats bad? apparently Channel 4 have commissioned a show portraying 3 priests living on a "craggy" island , in some comedic situations, one of them even likes drinking, for shame! ban this now!

dvpower

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Do a better job at trolling next time, Sheeps.

That was quality trolling all the same.

toiletduck

I'm a big South Park fan and have been for a long time. I remember being utterly confused about the whole Danish cartoon farce owing to not one word when Super Best Friends aired (Muhammed had the power of fire btw).



Major international cartoon -> silence
Obscure Danish paper -> 6 month delay, but then all sorts of violence

Heh, funny old world.