Water meters to be introduced from 2011

Dionysus

Finally. It's long, long overdue.

Do you agree or disagree?


http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0419/environment.html

msg11

Disagree, more fecking money to the p**ks

Max Power1

buckets out in the rain methinks

i71jskz5xu42pb

Agree in principle (pay for what you use, same as waste, electricity, gas) but can't help thinking that it'll be overpriced.

Sykk

They'll start charging for oxygen next.. cúnts.

Cookie_Monster

No

I agree in principle but here it will lead to more money to be paid out by the average joe which will invariably get pissed away.

landsleaving

In addition, it is known in several local authority areas that more than 50% of water cannot be accounted for.

I don't even know where to begin. Ireland must be the most inept place in the world.

Carl Sagan

It better be good quality.

Max Power1

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I agree in principle but here it will lead to more money to be paid out by the average joe which will invariably get pissed away.

yeah, and they will probably meter that next. Its part water isnt it

El Guapo!

We live in Ireland......it falls from the poxy sky for half the year. Its fúcking ridiculous. :mad:

bladespin

Carl Sagan wrote: »

It better be good quality.

Got it in one,:D and if I'm paying for a service that gets disrupted I'm going to want deductions and compensation, free no probs, maybe a moan etc but if a service is being charged for then it had better be up to scratch.

toiletduck

Well we're already paying for it via taxes, and look what a stellar job they've done with it. More money is the answer! I'm sure that it'll all be used exclusively for water schemes and won't get caught up in bureaucracy, waste and quangos!

msg11

Travis Dazzling Equipment wrote: »

Agree in principle (pay for what you use, same as waste, electricity, gas) but can't help thinking that it'll be overpriced.

Overpriced? It's needed by our bodys to function, it makes up nearly our whole body. How can you charge for that in a developed contry?

Pay for what you use? It's water pal, all the other things you pay for because it's a proccess and there luxurys too have. Water is needed, try going a week without water you will know all about it. JOKE.

How is it that everything the goverment cannot keep control over or maintan becomes our fault ? It will be AIR next.

Wazdakka

Ok... The distrubution system is in tatters, and I understand that it's going to cost money to repair it.
But seriously..

Charging the Irish for water is like charging the Arabs for sand.

PK2008

Paying for water in Ireland is like paying for ice in the Arctic. What a joke!!

Hopefully it is better implemented than when it was introduced for farms.

The meters were introduced and started counting well in advance of the start date for billing - the first bill came for the total water used since the meter was installed.

No problem in principal with this.

the_barfly1

A load of sh1te i think, but on the upside, the co. councils will have to hire people to install and read these meters i suppose...
But im guessing the job of jotting down a few numbers will be subbed out to a private company at huge expense to the taxpayer...

No

Agree in principle, but they must remove the "water rate element" from car tax and the other places it's currently hidden.

Cookie_Monster

No

msg11 wrote: »

Overpriced? It's needed by our bodys to function, it makes up nearly our whole body. How can you charge for that in a developed contry?

Pay for what you use? It's water pal, all the other things you pay for because it's a proccess and there luxurys too have. Water is needed, try going a week without water you will know all about it. JOKE.

How is it that everything the goverment cannot keep control over or maintan becomes our fault ? It will be AIR next.

so how do you expect to get it to you without all the costly transportation and cleaning facilities that have been put in place.

Water should be paid for but the proceeds should be strictly ring fenced and only go towards water related spending

CreepingDeath

Sykk wrote: »

They'll start charging for oxygen next.. cúnts.

Nah, the marketing people would rather put a negative spin on it... call it a "carbon tax".

Cookie_Monster

No

maybe it will encourage more people to "make" thier own by collecting it off the roof and storing and cleaning it for use throughout their house. that way it won't cost you as much apart from initial investment.

recylingbin

They can spin the ****e out of this on radio and tv, but water meters will be the final nail in the coffin of the green party.
They will have what's left of them decimated in the next election.

Pay for water?
FFS!

Max Power1

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Nah, the marketing people would rather put a negative spin on it... call it a "non-carbonated clean air tax".

fyp

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Would you buy a cup of tea if 40% was leaking out the bottom?

PK2008

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

maybe it will encourage more people to "make" thier own by collecting it off the roof and storing and cleaning it for use throughout their house. that way it won't cost you as much apart from initial investment.

What if you live in an apartment?

Cookie_Monster

No

PK2008 wrote: »

What if you live in an apartment?

bucket on a pole out the window

PK2008

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

bucket on a pole out the window

What if you dont know any Poles?

Cookie_Monster

No

PK2008 wrote: »

What if you dont know any Poles?

then you're **** out of luck and will just have to pay

mikom

PK2008 wrote: »

What if you live in an apartment?

The green party have said you will only have to pay a flat fee.

Cherrycola

Will everyone be paying the same rate regardless of the quality of water they receive??:mad:

For example, those of us "lucky" enough to have hard water full of lime that wrecks showers, boilers, our skin and hair, do we get charged less that those with soft water??

Will this charge cover water softening at source for those of us living in lime water areas??:mad::mad:

This is a joke!

msg11

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

so how do you expect to get it to you without all the costly transportation and cleaning facilities that have been put in place.

Water should be paid for but the proceeds should be strictly ring fenced and only go towards water related spending

I pay tax already for this too be done, not to bail out a ****ing bank or two. It's not my problem, if the goverment cannot manage where money is needed.

Lets face it, if they cannot manage a water system. They can hardly manage a country. And what the hell have the CC been doing with our tax money for the last few years ?

And if it costs so much to make, why can't they explain were 50% of it is going?

Load of ****e as usual, mark my words this will rocket in price in the coming years.

cynder

Are they gonna pay to replace all my appliances from limescale damage?

If i pay for the water i expect there in to be no damage to my appicances from limescale.

We have had a boil notice in place for 5 years for children under 5 and the elderly, why should we have to pay for contaminated water?

Also, it is known in several local authority areas that more than 50% of water cannot be accounted for. So who the hell is going to pay for the missing 50% ? No wonder we have low water pressure!

PFiddy

No

About feckin time.

recylingbin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

maybe it will encourage more people to "make" thier own by collecting it off the roof and storing and cleaning it for use throughout their house. that way it won't cost you as much apart from initial investment.

Maybe a couple of thosuand people will die from drinking dirty water.
We already pay tax for water.

i71jskz5xu42pb

msg11 wrote: »

Overpriced? It's needed by our bodys to function, it makes up nearly our whole body. How can you charge for that in a developed contry?

You've obviously done copious research into how common water charges are in developed countries. Obviously

msg11 wrote: »

Pay for what you use? It's water pal, all the other things you pay for because it's a proccess and there luxurys too have. Water is needed, try going a week without water you will know all about it. JOKE.

Yes all those other things I mentioned are a luxury - Electricity, Gas & waste collection. Try going a few weeks without them an let me know how you get on. And yes, they all involve a process unlike water which just falls from the sky into your tap. A JOKE indeed.

Cookie_Monster

No

Cherrycola wrote: »

For example, those of us "lucky" enough to have hard water full of lime that wrecks showers, boilers, our skin and hair, do we get charged less that those with soft water??
!

sure you'll be able to choose your supplier just like gas and leccie

and lime only damages shower etc if you don't service/clean them, so that'd be your fault not the water provider.

Mark200

No

msg11 wrote: »

Overpriced? It's needed by our bodys to function, it makes up nearly our whole body. How can you charge for that in a developed contry?

Pay for what you use? It's water pal, all the other things you pay for because it's a proccess and there luxurys too have. Water is needed, try going a week without water you will know all about it. JOKE.

How is it that everything the goverment cannot keep control over or maintan becomes our fault ? It will be AIR next.

PK2008 wrote: »

Paying for water in Ireland is like paying for ice in the Arctic. What a joke!!

I cringe every time someone on here says it should stay free. IT'S NOT FREE!!. We already pay for it through taxes. The only differences is that the amount we pay for it at the moment in no way corresponds to how much of the water we use. The only thing is that the money you pay for the water system right now through taxes will be re-directed somewhere else, rather than refunded.

Also, comparing paying for a water system to paying for air is a joke. It is very expensive to have a clean secure water system that delivers water to everyones house. If you can do that for free then by all means go ahead.

Cherrycola

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

sure you'll be able to choose your supplier just like gas and leccie

and lime only damages shower etc if you don't service/clean them, so that'd be your fault not the water provider.

Link please!

And your solution for preventing the damage to hair and skin when a child is covered in eczema as a direct result of lime water?! :mad::mad:

So i will be able to force my local county council to put me back on the old water supply we were on up to 12mths ago, a water supply with no lime?! A water supply they removed us from without telling anyone?!
:rolleyes:

msg11

Travis Dazzling Equipment wrote: »

You've obviously done copious research into how common water charges are in developed countries. Obviously


Yes all those other things I mentioned are a luxury - Electricity, Gas & waste collection. Try going a few weeks without them an let me know how you get on. And yes, they all involve a process unlike water which just falls from the sky into your tap. A JOKE indeed.

No I have done absolutly no research into anything. Just common sense, I have it lucky my water is safe in Dublin compared to Galway. So maybe I was wrong in calling Ireland a developed country.

So your a hybrid human? I could go perfectly well without Electricity, Gas & Waste collection, I might no be as happy, but I would still be alive.

Well it might aswell fall from the sky into there taps for people some parts of Ireland.

Can you not understand, why I am angry? This is ment to be paid for already, by us the tax payer. I see billions heading to banks & nama. For them to tell us to pay for water is rather insulting.

cynder

Cherrycola wrote: »

Link please!

And your solution for preventing the damage to hair and skin when a child is covered in eczema as a direct result of lime water?! :mad::mad:

So i will be able to force my local county council to put me back on the old water supply we were on up to 12mths ago, a water supply with no lime?! A water supply they removed us from without telling anyone?!
:rolleyes:

ouch,

I had to bathed in liquid parafin i couldn't touch water.

Kasabian

It's the most precious resource that we have and it's been pissed down a hole on an hourly basis in this country.

I blame that prick in the Volvic 14 day fecking ad.

Morlar

This can be our parting gift from the green party. One last rape before they go.

WIZE

Whats the point in Paying for it

Half the water that is ment to arrive to your House leaks out of the Pipes under the ground anyway

Its not us who are wasting the water .

Fix all the pipes first then charge us for it

They are just going to keep the money and not upgrade the pipe lines

PK2008

Mark200 wrote: »

I cringe every time someone on here says it should stay free. IT'S NOT FREE!!. We already pay for it through taxes. The only differences is that the amount we pay for it at the moment in no way corresponds to how much of the water we use. The only thing is that the money you pay for the water system right now through taxes will be re-directed somewhere else, rather than refunded.

Also, comparing paying for a water system to paying for air is a joke. It is very expensive to have a clean secure water system that delivers water to everyones house. If you can do that for free then by all means go ahead.

Sorry we made you cringe mate, but water rates were abolished in 1997 and existing tax revenues were used to subsidise it meaning that all domestic charges ceased to exist. So yeh in a round about way we do pay for it but we havent been charged for it since 1997, the government did not remove the charge and then create a specific tax for it, so efficitvely it became free.

In fact alot of funding for Irelands water supply comes from the European Regional Development fund (EU).

Oooh, sorry, are you still cringing?

msg11

Mark200 wrote: »

We already pay for it through taxes. The only differences is that the amount we pay for it at the moment in no way corresponds to how much of the water we use.

Because they cannot acccount for 50% of the water, which is what nobody is using.

The plan involves significantly increasing expenditure on tackling 'lost' or 'unaccounted for' water, which ranges from 16% to 58% of supply in different parts of the country.

Just too add, this is not an option we will have to pay for it. So everyone worrying about people like me, need not worry.

I am sure there will be some small group protest, then as usual, everyone will take it up the arse from Biffo & The green party. Then in a few years, the rates will rise, because of a shortage. Another thread will be started in 2016. People coming on posting saying;

"There really is a water shortage, this is way they need 10€ Per Litre. Do you think it just falls from the sky. Most of it has to be imported"

Or some bollox to that extent. Now, a reason we should be charged for air. Our leaves, create oxegen, which we use, therefore when these leaves fall to the ground, they have to be cleaned up. And because you use the oxegen from the leaves an invisable bond is formed with the tree. We are now charging per lung c/l & linking this to the amount of leaves you would use in one year.

i71jskz5xu42pb

msg11 wrote: »

I could go perfectly well without Electricity, Gas & Waste collection, I might no be as happy, but I would still be alive.

I'd be happy if you didn't have electricity.

msg11 wrote: »

Well it might aswell fall from the sky into there taps for people some parts of Ireland.

Really, do you honestly think this is the case.

msg11 wrote: »

Can you not understand, why I am angry? This is ment to be paid for already, by us the tax payer.

Metering is a much fairer way of allocating costs. Flat tax means I am paying for other's wastefulness. People (probably the same people) bitched and moaned about bin charges when it was introduced, same idea.

msg11 wrote: »

I see billions heading to banks & nama. For them to tell us to pay for water is rather insulting.

So you're angry about NAMA? I don't see how that's related to water meters? There are lots of solid benefits to water metering (see below) let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

From Wikipedia

1. First, it provides an incentive to conserve water which protects water resources (environmental objective).
2. Second, it can postpone costly system expansion and saves energy and chemical costs (economic objective)
3. Third, it allows a utility to better locate distribution losses (technical objective).
4. Fourth, it allows to charge for water based on use, which is perceived by many as the fairest way to allocate the costs of water supply to users.

Andrew33

landsleaving wrote: »

I don't even know where to begin. Ireland must be the most inept place in the world.

86% losses in some areas! Ireland is a third world country, a banana republic without the sun. Just because we had a few good years doesn't make us a first or even second rate country. They'll install meters at taxpayers expense which you'll have to pay a standing charge on (plus the VAT don't forget) and then they'll privatize it, leaving us paying yet another stealth tax. Could somebody please remind me what I pay income tax and PRSI for again? Oh yeah, i remember now, to pay that corrupt scum in leinster house their fat salaries and bail their banker buddies out. Grrrrr.

Cookie_Monster

No

Most Haunted wrote: »

Whats the point in Paying for it

Half the water that is ment to arrive to your House leaks out of the Pipes under the ground anyway

the meter is at your house so you only pay for what will actually get there anyway. its not like you be paying for the rest of it.

(apart from the fact that it'll be included in the price I suppose)

There will also be a certain free allocation to be used up before you have to pay.

Cookie_Monster

No

Cherrycola wrote: »

Link please!

the first part was a joke (obviously) the second is just common sense, if you clean you kettle, no lime build up, no damage.

Cherrycola wrote: »

And your solution for preventing the damage to hair and skin when a child is covered in eczema as a direct result of lime water?! :mad::mad:

Don't have one, never said I have and don't really care to be honest

aidan24326

Dean09 wrote: »

We live in Ireland......it falls from the poxy sky for half the year. Its fúcking ridiculous. :mad:

Wazdakka wrote: »

Ok... The distrubution system is in tatters, and I understand that it's going to cost money to repair it.
But seriously..

Charging the Irish for water is like charging the Arabs for sand.

I agree with this.

Water is one thing we should not have to pay for, considering rivers of it fall on our heads for about 250 days of the bloody year. How did they allow our water systems to become so worn out anyway? Why weren't they upgraded when we actually had the money? This is what we get for putting the bloody greens in government. May the green party rest in peace after they're crucified in the next election!

Cherrycola

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

the first part was a joke (obviously) the second is just common sense, if you clean you kettle, no lime build up, no damage.



Don't have one, never said I have and don't really care to be honest

Thats obvious! :rolleyes:

This place gets more like the Daily Mail everyday!

Cant wait for the day the Jackeens get hammered with serious lime water! Then we'll know all about it....." Joe, i tell ya, its a bleedin disgrace Joe!"