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Putting up barriers to a free and open internet

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    #122
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    wes wrote: »
    I am well aware of those figures. Now just imagine having you electricity cut off, due to some corporate tossers, saying you did something wrong 3 times, and thats it, you lose you electrcity.



    You had no Internet due to a move, and not due to some corporate tool making accusations against you.



    Oh please, I already know the implementation. The media companies have been trying to get this into law for ages. So, I am well aware of the system they want Eircom to implement. This crap needs to be opposed right now in no uncertain terms, and needs to legislated against. I think making the Internet a Human Right would be fine way to do this, and its about time that the government did something that benefited the average person, as opposed to big businesses.

    Human rights are subject to the law aren't they? The only one that isnt is the prohibition on torture. So if human rights status is granted to the internet you could still lose access by breaking the law.


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    #123
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    k_mac wrote: »
    Human rights are subject to the law aren't they? The only one that isnt is the prohibition on torture. So if human rights status is granted to the internet you could still lose access by breaking the law.

    after proven guilty in a court of law

    for the Nth flipping time

    this whole business works on the principle of guilty until proven innocent

    which is scary considering the amount of fake/wrong takedown requests that hit ISPs


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    #124
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    after proven guilty in a court of law

    for the Nth flipping time

    this whole business works on the principle of guilty until proven innocent

    which is scary considering the amount of fake/wrong takedown requests that hit ISPs

    Your liberty can be deprived without going to court. When you are arrested and charged your liberty is deprived. If you are refused bail your liberty is deprived. This is all before the court case and based on the unproven evidence.


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    #125
    thebman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    k_mac wrote: »
    Do you ask your isp for the capital of australia? No you use their service to contact another computer or user. Much like I can use my phone to call an embassy or a geography teacher.

    I'm not saying it isn't much more useful. I just can't understand how people don't see it for what it is. An advanced form of communication. Much the same as sattelite communication once was. In time the internet will probably be replaced by something even more advanced.

    Its irrelevant that it uses wires and an network infrastructure though :rolleyes:

    Its what it enables one to do that is relevant.

    Even if they did get every ISP in Ireland signed up to this, people could still get satellite connections from European ISP's.


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    #126
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    k_mac wrote: »
    Your liberty can be deprived without going to court. When you are arrested and charged your liberty is deprived. If you are refused bail your liberty is deprived. This is all before the court case and based on the unproven evidence.

    what a silly post

    ISPs are not the police, the organisations reporting any abuse are not the police


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    #127
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    According to NCMEC, one fifth of all pornography on the internet is child pornography.

    Sounds great doesn't it? But seriously do you think it's a good idea to quote some obviously totally retarded statement like this just because it fuels your agenda?


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    #128
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    what a silly post

    ISPs are not the police, the organisations reporting any abuse are not the police

    Doesn't need to be the police once it is authorised by legislation. Police work is often done by private companies. Clampers and speed camera operators are prime examples.


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    #129
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    k_mac wrote: »
    Doesn't need to be the police once it is authorised by legislation. Police work is often done by private companies. Clampers and speed camera operators are prime examples.

    All of these are third parties, this is about about ISP doing the "clamping"

    and we know how "eager" some clampers are :rolleyes:

    as I illustrated earlier this **** will ensure large and small companies will leave the state due to excessive and unneeded "clamping"

    you like the judge have shown complete ignorance of the internet and what's at stake here

    if you think think this will stop any "filesharing" or whatever then you are very naive, look at Sweden where if anything it increased and is now all encrypted, making it even harder to detect for copyright owners


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    #130
    Sandvich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭Sandvich


    Does this mean they can filter any site deemed blasphemous by the blasphemy laws too?


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    #131
    Herbal Deity
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Herbal Deity


    k_mac wrote: »
    Do you ask your isp for the capital of australia? No you use their service to contact another computer or user. Much like I can use my phone to call an embassy or a geography teacher.

    I'm not saying it isn't much more useful. I just can't understand how people don't see it for what it is. An advanced form of communication. Much the same as sattelite communication once was. In time the internet will probably be replaced by something even more advanced.
    You use "advanced form of communication" in a very dismissive sense. Do you not realise that, in the sense you're using the word "communication", everything involves communication? Communities are formed via communication, and the internet has rendered former geographical barriers to community forming obsolete. There has never been anything like it before. It is not just the latest fad, as you seem to imply in your dismissive posts.


    The whole idea of barriers to the internet is laughable. No matter how many feeble attempts to impose restrictions, there will always be a way to obtain any content you like from the internet as long as you know how.


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    #132
    blubloblu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmcupFx3FQ

    Relevant video


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    #133
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    Herbal Deity wrote: »
    The whole idea of barriers to the internet is laughable. No matter how many feeble attempts to impose restrictions, there will always be a way to obtain any content you like from the internet as long as you know how.

    And even if you don't know how, someone will post up instructions on how to do it.


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    #134
    blubloblu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    Great blog post from Swedish Pirate Party MEP:
    http://christianengstrom.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/ifpis-child-porn-strategy/

    Isn't it curious that IRMA and the government are both talking censorship?


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    #135
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    k_mac wrote: »
    Your liberty can be deprived without going to court. When you are arrested and charged your liberty is deprived. If you are refused bail your liberty is deprived. This is all before the court case and based on the unproven evidence.
    The extent of the Justice system is not confined to the courts. The Guards are public servants employed by the state and authorised by the state to follow due process. They are answerable to the state if they make mistakes or abuse their power.

    Who exactly is Eircom answerable to?

    The three strikes idea has already been struck down by the European Parliament, and I have real doubts as to whether any such moves by the Irish government would survive a ECJ challenge. Should such legislation be attempted we will be coordinating with the FFII, IPP and related groups to force the issue to that level.

    As for the internet not being essential, it is long overdue that internet access be recognised as a utility. One only has to look at the example of South Korea with its burgeoning and extremely profitable software companies to realise the enormous advantages that a widespread, free and open internet can bring to a country.

    This is the equivalent to Eircom being held responsible for drug dealers arranging a drug deal over their phone lines. Dumb pipes is what they are, and dumb pipes is what they should remain.


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