Should the Greens really be in government.

CoalBucket

With just 6 TD's and 3 Councillors, should a party with only 9 elected officials in the entire country be responsible for running the country ?

TDs Cllrs MEP
FF 78 218 3
FG 51 340 4
Lab 20 132 3
OTH 5 136 2
SF 4 54 0
GR 6 3 0

Dunjohn

They're not responsible for running the country. I hear Fianna Fail are involved somewhere too.

What's the alternative?

Poly

Dunjohn wrote: »

They're not responsible for running the country. I hear Fianna Fail are involved somewhere too.

Don't think FF are responsible either, after all it was all the Lehman bros fault

Hande hoche!

The greens are gonna end up like a speeded up version of the P.D.s, chewed up and spat out IMHO.

CoalBucket

Yes FF are involved too, let me re-phrase the question.

Is it right that a party with only 9 elected officials should be in government ?

Joey the lips

My mother all told me to eat my greens..... In this case i will pass

Hande hoche!

Seems like you typical coalition government to me. I mean we had Fianna Fáil and Labour in the past.

orourkeda

No.

orourkeda

CoalBucket wrote: »

Yes FF are involved too, let me re-phrase the question.

Is it right that a party with only 9 elected officials should be in government ?

9 is bad.

Where does this leave Mary Harney? She is a senior Minister after all and isnt in a party

recylingbin

But who would propose ridiculous ****ing taxes if not the greens?

zootroid

Hande hoche! wrote: »

The greens are gonna end up like a speeded up version of the P.D.s, chewed up and spat out IMHO.

I think that's kind of sad though, FF seem to get away with it, almost as if that's what they expect of FF, but more is expected from the PDs/Greens!!

G_R

just to set the record straight, the greens have

6 TD's
3 Senators
1 NI Local Assembly
18 Local Councilors in the Republic
3 Local Councilors in the North

recylingbin

dannym08 wrote: »

just to set the record straight, the greens have

6 TD's
3 Senators
1 NI Local Assembly
18 Local Councilors in the Republic
3 Local Councilors in the North

How many elected senators?
Are the greens in NI the same party as the greens in the republic?
18 local councillors is only something to brag about if you set the party up 3 days before the election.
Are the greens in NI the same party as the greens in the republic?

Kasabian

Democratically they should be.
Morally and competently they should not.

phantom_lord

that's what you get for having a pr system.

CoalBucket

dannym08 wrote: »

just to set the record straight, the greens have

6 TD's
3 Senators
1 NI Local Assembly
18 Local Councilors in the Republic
3 Local Councilors in the North

http://www.rte.ie/news/elections/local/

You are incorrect.
The greens have 3 councillors in the republic of ireland.

Following the resignation of Deirdre De Burca the greens have 2 senators
only one of which who was elected. Dan Boyle was appointed to the senate by the taoiseach.

It doesn't matter how many elected representatives they have in the north, that is a different duristiction.

goat2

Should the Greens really be in government.

no

making the tax payer pay twice for briquettes
first the dole recepient gets extra money to cover rise
then the tax payer has to pay the high price for briquettes, without refund

mental

landsleaving

People still use briquettes?

Kasabian

landsleaving wrote: »

People still use briquettes?

There are new white ones out now , made from some kind of formica , they are brilliant . They give off great heat and a beautiful blue flame.

I am one of those people that has to have a flame in the fireplace even when the heating is on , it's just comforting.

SoupyNorman

Should the Greens really be in government? //rhetorical question?

no //answered here so no.



making the tax payer pay twice for briquettes
first the dole recepient gets extra money to cover rise
then the tax payer has to pay the high price for briquettes, without refund

//so the taxpayer pays 4 times for briquettes?


mental //The most correct statement in the whole post.

Mike 1972

CoalBucket wrote: »

TDs Cllrs MEP
FF 78 218 3
FG 51 340 4
Lab 20 132 3
OTH 5 136 2
SF 4 54 0
GR 6 3 0

As no party has an overall majority by your logic there shouldnt be a government at all.........

CoalBucket wrote: »

It doesn't matter how many elected representatives they have in the north, that is a different duristiction (sic).

True

I hear they have some MP's in Germany as well.........

changes

Wasn't John Gormley responsible for the farce that is our road tax system... where the well off can buy new cars (e.g 2008, 2009 or 2010 diesel car) and pay €150 road tax and the less well of have to pay €580 for an older diesel car.

Why is there not more of an uproar over this?

Greens hurt your pocket - FACT!!!

goat2

now we have ciaran cuffe laughing at passengers stranded all oover europe stranded due to the volcano, saying it will save the earth or something such like
this is all they are worried about
not jobs
not nama
not banks
not people
just smoke

aDeener

CoalBucket wrote: »

With just 6 TD's and 3 Councillors, should a party with only 9 elected officials in the entire country be responsible for running the country ?

TDs Cllrs MEP
FF 78 218 3
FG 51 340 4
Lab 20 132 3
OTH 5 136 2
SF 4 54 0
GR 6 3 0

its ridiculous the amount of TDs and councillors we have for such a small country

G_R

CoalBucket wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/elections/local/

You are incorrect.
The greens have 3 councillors in the republic of ireland.

Following the resignation of Deirdre De Burca the greens have 2 senators
only one of which who was elected. Dan Boyle was appointed to the senate by the taoiseach.

It doesn't matter how many elected representatives they have in the north, that is a different duristiction.

thats what I get for trusting Wikipedia

I'm sorry:o

goat2

dannym08 wrote: »

thats what I get for trusting Wikipedia

I'm sorry:o

3 is still far too many
look what they are doing to the old tradition of turf cutting, some people depend on this for heating and cooking, when i was young we always spent days at the bog, fuelling up for the winter, there are still people doing this, they are killing the way of life for the country people, they dont even know how we live, how could they, they are city folk, we are and have always been looking after the countryside, we do not stick our nose in on how dublin should be run

anglo_celt

phantom_lord wrote: »

that's what you get for having a pr system.

Correct

anglo_celt

The Greens brings out the Green Monster in me. Git rid of them. Put them out to grass. And NO No No to Fine Gael. We had them before and they didn't last a year after making a cows schite of the country.Blue shirt Fascists the lot of them. Enda and the Farmers.

Stephentlig

CoalBucket wrote: »

Yes FF are involved too, let me re-phrase the question.

Is it right that a party with only 9 elected officials should be in government ?

Quality over Quantity?

Dyr

goat2 wrote: »

,we are and have always been looking after the countryside, we do not stick our nose in on how dublin should be run

That's why there's f**k all corncrakes left i guess..cos country folk are looking after them :pac:. The country side will get along just fine without yiz, trust me.

Paparazzo

The one good thing about irish politics is the green party collapse. All they seem to do is make everything more expensive for the sake of "the enviroment".

Absurdum

it never ceases to amaze me how people get so worked up about the Greens when it is/was FF who monumentally ****ed this country up so much :rolleyes:

Sonnenblumen

Absurdum wrote: »

it never ceases to amaze me how people get so worked up about the Greens when it is/was FF who monumentally ****ed this country up so much :rolleyes:

I think it vaz mainly Irish who vith our money zid most of zee damage? Now you owe us much much more and for longer! Zats not so good for zee Irish but vee make no complaint. Vee hope you had nice time vith our money.

Absurdum

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

I think it vaz mainly Irish who vith our money zid most of zee damage? Now you owe us much much more and for longer! Zats not so good for zee Irish but vee make no complaint. Vee hope you had nice time vith our money.

good luck with trying to get it back, buddykraut :P

anglo_celt

Pity Fianna Fail could not go it alone into government. I'm not a biffo or a bertie fan. But I will tell you this much I will continue to vote Fianna Fail.

Paparazzo

Absurdum wrote: »

it never ceases to amaze me how people get so worked up about the Greens when it is/was FF who monumentally ****ed this country up so much :rolleyes:

We hate FF too, that goes without saying.

anglo_celt

Paparazzo wrote: »

We hate FF too, that goes without saying.

Who would you vote for Fine Gael Social (Labour) Democrats Sinn Fein People before Profit or The Irish National Front?

Stinicker

anglo_celt wrote: »

Pity Fianna Fail could not go it alone into government. I'm not a biffo or a bertie fan. But I will tell you this much I will continue to vote Fianna Fail.

Troll Much?

JuliusCaesar

anglo_celt wrote: »

Who would you vote for Fine Gael Social (Labour) Democrats Sinn Fein People before Profit or The Irish National Front?

There's no Labour Party?!:eek:

What happened? Did I miss the news that they've disbanded?!

anglo_celt

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

There's no Labour Party?!:eek:

What happened? Did I miss the news that they've disbanded?!

The so called Labour movement or Labour Party has long gone. Why dont they rename it their proper title Social Democrats.

phantom_lord

Bring the PDs back imo

limklad

Should this thread be in Politics forum? It all bloody politics talk.

Son Of A Vidic

Those green party saps have drank from the vat of corruption and want to hang onto their trappings of power for as long as possible. No doubt, they'll try to squeeze in as many muppet policies as possible, before their out the door.

Absurdum

medicman2009 wrote: »

Those green party saps have drank from the vat of corruption and want to hang onto their trappings of power for as long as possible. No doubt, they'll try to squeeze in as many muppet policies as possible, before their out the door.

isn't that what every party is ultimately about?

BOHtox

I wanna vote for the judean people's front

PeterIanStaker

I wanna vote for the people's front of judea:D

Son Of A Vidic

Absurdum wrote: »

isn't that what every party is ultimately about?

The title of the post is directed at the Green Party, hence the rationale for my focusing on this party only.

CoalBucket

medicman2009 wrote: »

The title of the post is directed at the Green Party, hence the rationale for my focusing on this party only.

Indeed the original post was directed at the green party, I just found it amazing in a political system involving Proportional Representation that a party with just 10 elected representatives could be partly responsible for government policy.

goat2

anglo_celt wrote: »

Pity Fianna Fail could not go it alone into government. I'm not a biffo or a bertie fan. But I will tell you this much I will continue to vote Fianna Fail.

why
did they not put us where we are right now

Kashkai

Have you ever seen such a bunch of smug, patronising, condescending a$$holes as the Greens. They talk as if they are so utterly superior and they have to explain things in simple words and phrases to us the unenlightened masses or "deniers" if you don't believe them or their policies.

John Gormley is good for a laugh though when he throws a hussy fit. Like when he was called "the minister for snow" or when he was being pushed to answer questions about his ministerial role swapping with ciaran cuffe and he said in his hissy little way that "I'm bored of those questions".

Amazing how the holier than thou greens got very accustomed to the trappings if power.

And they have(or will shortly) saddled us with high motor taxes, water rates, septic tank tax and of course a property tax.

patmac

changes wrote: »

Wasn't John Gormley responsible for the farce that is our road tax system... where the well off can buy new cars (e.g 2008, 2009 or 2010 diesel car) and pay €150 road tax and the less well of have to pay €580 for an older diesel car.

Why is there not more of an uproar over this?

Greens hurt your pocket - FACT!!!

You forgot to mention the €0.05 per litre carbon tax they stuck on the petrol in the last election helping it to rise to €1.30 a litre now.
A nice idea of a party but completly out of it's depth in government and far removed from reality, looking forward to the water taxes due in 2011.
Will be wiped out in the next election.