ammo test .223

poulo6.5

hi lads. i hope ye dont mind another video that should answer a few questions regarding the use of different rounds inc FMJ, HP, BT. IN .223

any comment welcome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqcqBYM0pJI&feature=channel

greenpeter

Great video Poulo, interesting to see the difference between the ammo thanks for sharing it.

patsat

Four Milk Cartons but only three types of ammo?! What a waste of a milk carton!! Could have used a soft point on that one!:D

Good video tho keep em coming!;)

poulo6.5

patsat wrote: »

Four Milk Cartons but only three types of ammo?! What a waste of a milk carton!! Could have used a soft point on that one!:D

Good video tho keep em coming!;)

ya i let my brother have a shot at the 4th carton,
any more suggestions on different types of ammo or anything like that
i will take on bord and try in another vid if you want.:D

Tackleberrywho

poulo6.5 wrote: »

ya i let my brother have a shot at the 4th carton,
any more suggestions on different types of ammo or anything like that
i will take on bord and try in another vid if you want.:D

I think you have Proved that the Hornady and wolf are close, But the Hornady have more consistant accuracy hence the greater price.

Hornady are also easier on Barrel with Moly coat

Good Vid to show Newbies etc. Well Done;)

riflehunter77

Fair play another great video

zulu_dawn

great video
well produced.

coughlan08

excellent video on the different rounds,very helpful for a beginner like myself....

id love if you could get a video of a fox shot with the horn,
looks by the quality of the video to be a good camera.
nice job:)

dwighet

Paulo..... Your just just having way too much fun mate;)

Good vid bud......

poulo6.5

coughlan08 wrote: »

excellent video on the different rounds,very helpful for a beginner like myself....

id love if you could get a video of a fox shot with the horn,
looks by the quality of the video to be a good camera.
nice job:)

once we get some more practice with the new camera we will do a night shoot. lamping rabbit and fox. it would be a bit more difficult as we would need lights etc but we will do it soon.

poulo6.5

dwighet wrote: »

Paulo..... Your just just having way too much fun mate;)

Good vid bud......

thanks dwight.
we did a long range shoot at 250y 400y and 500y on steel with the same three rounds, surprisingly the cheep ammo did just as good as the v-max. i'm just waiting for my brother/camera man/editor to get his finger out and upload it for me.:D

meathstevie

Nice plain English presentation and easy to understand visualisation of impact characteristics.

marlin vs

Good one Poulo.

Ghost.

Thats a good video,

well done. Its great seeing side by side comparisons like that.

yog1

can you get fmj for any caliber, bought a 22-250 and would likesomthing cheaper to get used to the new gun currently using hornady 55g v-max, also have a 22lr to learn/plink with

poulo6.5

yog1 wrote: »

can you get fmj for any caliber, bought a 22-250 and would likesomthing cheaper to get used to the new gun currently using hornady 55g v-max, also have a 22lr to learn/plink with

i think you can only get that cheep wolf ammo in .223 and .308 because they are the same as the NATO 5.56 and 7.62.
i'm not familiar with the .22 250 so cant comment
you can buy FMJ for .22 but i cant see why you would as its so cheep anyway, for example you can buy federal in a box of 525 for €21. i use winchester subs in my .22 and i get 500 for €45

Vegeta

Great video paul and I look forward to the accuracy tests

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Hornady are also easier on Barrel with Moly coat

Those Hornady rounds in the video weren't moly coated though were they?

poulo6.5

Vegeta wrote: »

Great video paul and I look forward to the accuracy tests




Those Hornady rounds in the video weren't moly coated though were they?

no they were just ordinary everyday v-max

Tackleberrywho

poulo6.5 wrote: »

no they were just ordinary everyday v-max

The Only Flaw in the Video was No Moly coated

Next vid I might show what the inside of my barrel looks like
Oh Roll on June till I get some time off!:D

poulo6.5

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The Only Flaw in the Video was No Moly coated

Next vid I might show what the inside of my barrel looks like
Oh Roll on June till I get some time off!:D

i'll have to get my hands on some of those molly coated rounds, if they are half as good as you say nothing will be safe.

how much are the molly's compared to the slandered v-max:D

what rifle and twist have you

Tackleberrywho

poulo6.5 wrote: »

i'll have to get my hands on some of those molly coated rounds, if they are half as good as you say nothing will be safe.

how much are the molly's compared to the slandered v-max:D

what rifle and twist have you

I got them for €26 coz I bought 200. Normally €27-30 depending on dealer.
1/12 Twist on mine Hence likes the 55grain rounds, it spat out the 75grain like a mouth full of snot as they require a different twist to stabilize.

A mate of mine who is a game keeper was given 200 75 grain and could not wait to get rid of them. I fired them @ a 100m target and they were all over the place.
JP C put three of them 55gr into a 1/4 inch @100 2 years ago. I've used them ever since.

I know a lot of swift owners who wish Moly was out years ago as copper fouling is a Bitc& on hot rounds. Copper melts and adheres to rifling. Moly is a grease with a High melting point, Moly BTW are Varmint express coated in Moly;)

Thomasofmel

Excellent video again Poulo - it's great to see that information is shared - when do you get your first DVD out

poulo6.5

Thomasofmel wrote: »

Excellent video again Poulo - it's great to see that information is shared - when do you get your first DVD out

cheers bud. i'll keep practicing on the film making first thanks.

i'm just trying to answer the questions that i have my self and share the results with ye lads and enjoying the sport along the way.:D

Collioure

poulo6.5 wrote: »

cheers bud. i'll keep practicing on the film making first thanks.

i'm just trying to answer the questions that i have my self and share the results with ye lads and enjoying the sport along the way.:D

Great video....great to see some quality irish vids on rifles on youtube

vixdname

poulo6.5 wrote: »

ya i let my brother have a shot at the 4th carton,
any more suggestions on different types of ammo or anything like that
i will take on bord and try in another vid if you want.:D

Poulo, I posted a question about he most effective .223 type round to use on foxes a few weeks back and I have to say that your video was just what I wanted to see - Thanks a million - Great video - Looking forward to the next one !!!

poulo6.5

vixdname wrote: »

Poulo, I posted a question about he most effective .223 type round to use on foxes a few weeks back and I have to say that your video was just what I wanted to see - Thanks a million - Great video - Looking forward to the next one !!!

your welcome. glad to help. i enjoyed making it anyway:D

Tackleberrywho

poulo6.5 wrote: »

your welcome. glad to help. i enjoyed making it anyway:D

marlin vs

Tackleberrywho, that's some size of a picture i'll have to get a bigger screen.

Tackleberrywho

marlin vs wrote: »

Tackleberrywho, that's some size of a picture i'll have to get a bigger screen.

I can't figure out how to make them smaller.
I've only posted 4 or 5 pics on this.
Most are just links.

Why can't a pic be just copied and pasted??
Its windy as fcuk here today with rain in the air so I may wait until sunday to test @200 & 300 yards.:(

I'm so excited to see what this re-crown will do to my bunny hunting.
I've spent €200~ on my Remington 700. I reckon I have added hundreds on to accuracy; but I will not know until I get a good day to test.

I was thinking of a re-barrel prior to this until I shot that group yesterday with just a re-crown and a Timney Trigger.

That 500yard bunny is coming closer. :D

marlin vs

I'm with imageshack and if you right click the picture it will give you the option to resize it, I just set it to medium.

poulo6.5

marlin vs wrote: »

I'm with imageshack and if you right click the picture it will give you the option to resize it, I just set it to medium.

tidy group, what range . i'm guessing 100m

Tackleberrywho

poulo6.5 wrote: »

tidy group, what range . i'm guessing 100m

Yes 100yards, I was out today but it is gusting too much to try for 200. And spitting rain.:(

Will all this wind just blow over in the name of god!

I'm also having difficulty getting scope perfectly level.
So hard to level bench-rest,rifle and scope and then when I put it up to my shoulder its not level.:mad: Just for me to realise the barrel is not level with the stock. The Joys of taking things apart in 2 mins and taking 2 hours to get them back together :D

If I want to get a 500yard bunny I need to get this part perfect. 1 or 2 degrees are not critical @100 yards but when one goes past 100 the angle has the effect of sending rounds off target.

What I'd give for somebody to do all this sh1te for me!
Any tips on fine Tuning? I can get a rifle on paper in seconds it's the fine tuning I have issue with:mad::mad:
I used to cheat and get a contact to do it for me, but he is not in the country at the moment so It's down to me!

clivej

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'm also having difficulty getting scope perfectly level.
So hard to level bench-rest,rifle and scope and then when I put it up to my shoulder its not level.:mad: Just for me to realise the barrel is not level with the stock. The Joys of taking things apart in 2 mins and taking 2 hours to get them back together :D

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Tack
Is the level your talking about the cant of the scope?? I.E. the vertical reticle not lining with the rifle bore?

I use the Leupold zero point bore sighter for this. It uses a magnet to attach to the muzzel and the vertical lines from it when viewed through the scope are always vertical even if the zero point is off a little.

Good info here
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1630&PN=1

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

Tack
Is the level your talking about the cant of the scope?? I.E. the vertical reticle not lining with the rifle bore?

I use the Leupold zero point bore sighter for this. It uses a magnet to attach to the muzzel and the vertical lines from it when viewed through the scope are always vertical even if the zero point is off a little.

Good info here
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1630&PN=1

How much did you pay for that yokiemabob?

I rarely mess with my scope, but it would be nice to be able to get the cant (x,y axis ) spot on before bringing to the range.

I'd be afraid that I might forget to take it off though. I heard some of them turned into impromptu rockets when users forgot to remove.

Thanks for the help. I finally found my set of Imperial allen keys and have the stock off. I'm now looking at the stock and realise that there is a variance in tolerences.
The old adage once you start customizing you will never stop

clivej

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

How much did you pay for that yokiemabob?

I rarely mess with my scope, but it would be nice to be able to get the cant (x,y axis ) spot on before bringing to the range.

I'd be afraid that I might forget to take it off though. I heard some of them turned into impromptu rockets when users forgot to remove.

Thanks for the help. I finally found my set of Imperial allen keys and have the stock off. I'm now looking at the stock and realise that there is a variance in tolerences.
The old adage once you start customizing you will never stop

bout £60 from opticswarehouse.
http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=leupoldzeropointboresighterp

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

bout £60 from opticswarehouse.
http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=leupoldzeropointboresighterp

Good man!

I've just had a brain wave. I went against all my Engineering principals and my dads spirt level and I eyed the scope's cant.(I always speak in X,Y,Z and theta, I thought Cant was the language of the pyebald crew)

It looks like it has worked.
I'll just tip down to the range in a min, fire off a few rounds and hopefully thats it.
It is still gusting a bit so I will not go for a tighter group than yesterday but If I get damn close it will be good enough until we get our next calm day to test.:D

Thanks again Clive!

Tackleberrywho

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Good man!


I've just had a brain wave. I went against all my Engineering principals and my dads spirt level and I eyed the scope's cant.(I always speak in X,Y,Z and theta, I thought Cant was the language of the pyebald crew)

It looks like it has worked.
I'll just tip down to the range in a min, fire off a few rounds and hopefully thats it.
It is still gusting a bit so I will not go for a tighter group than yesterday but If I get damn close it will be good enough until we get our next calm day to test.:D

Thanks again Clive!

I Just tested my theory and it seems to work. Group not as good as yesterday, I have 3 shots and I thought i was doing great and I pulled a shot. Still respectable though for a very windy day.(It is windier today than yesterday in my present location)

Notice one enlarged hole, i was on a high here i reckon I had buck fever for the third shot:D:D
i may get that imaging thingy fixed, I can't get images unless they are Huge

Thomasofmel

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I Just tested my theory and it seems to work. Group not as good as yesterday, I have 3 shots and I thought i was doing great and I pulled a shot. Still respectable though for a very windy day.(It is windier today than yesterday in my present location)

Notice one enlarged hole, i was on a high here i reckon I had buck fever for the third shot:D:D
i may get that imaging thingy fixed, I can't get images unless they are Huge

Good shooting - what distance did you shoot?

riflehunter77

Great groups Tac are you using a bipod and rear bag combo or a benchrest ?

Tackleberrywho

riflehunter77 wrote: »

Great groups Tac are you using a bipod and rear bag combo or a benchrest ?

100 Yards
Harris bipod 9-13 on 9 setting. The only bag I had was between my legs, I'm a hunter not a benchrest person. I have a bench rest but I only use it when cleaning etc to hold the rifle.
Hornady 55 grain Moly. Wind was gusting. Tree branches were blowing etc and Sky was heavy with rain.

I hope to test Sunday at 200 & 300 weather permitting.
Wish I had done this years ago!

sfakiaman

marlin vs wrote: »

Tackleberrywho, that's some size of a picture i'll have to get a bigger screen.

If you go to the bottom right hand side of your screen there is an icon of a magnifying glass and a control for zoom. Use that to make the picture smaller.

Tackleberrywho

sfakiaman wrote: »

If you go to the bottom right hand side of your screen there is an icon of a magnifying glass and a control for zoom. Use that to make the picture smaller.

Anybody glass bed there Rifles? And did they notice much difference??:pac::pac:

poulo6.5

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Anybody glass bed there Rifles? And did they notice much difference??:pac::pac:

there is a guy on youtube that did it to his remmy. and did a before and after shot group with good results.



http://www.youtube.com/user/wildernesseducation#p/u/27/JdUhYz0q30o

this is part 1 of 9.

tomcat220t

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Anybody glass bed there Rifles? And did they notice much difference??:pac::pac:

Had my remmy .204 and .22 anschutz glass and pillar bedded .I found a good difference .

Tackleberrywho

tomcat220t wrote: »

Had my remmy .204 and .22 anschutz glass and pillar bedded .I found a good difference .

My remmy is bedded on Aluminium,the vid Paulo shows a very cheap rifle stock.

What model Remmy was yours?

tomcat220t

Its a vls with a laminate stock.

Tackleberrywho

tomcat220t wrote: »

Its a vls with a laminate stock.

Was your stock Aluminium bedded previously, mine is but I wonder if extra bedding is worth the effort??

Collioure

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Good man!

I've just had a brain wave. I went against all my Engineering principals and my dads spirt level and I eyed the scope's cant.(I always speak in X,Y,Z and theta, I thought Cant was the language of the pyebald crew)

It looks like it has worked.
I'll just tip down to the range in a min, fire off a few rounds and hopefully thats it.
It is still gusting a bit so I will not go for a tighter group than yesterday but If I get damn close it will be good enough until we get our next calm day to test.:D

Thanks again Clive!

These shot savers look very handy...for me it would be nice to make sure my zero is spot on before I go out....however I use a moderator....I would presume that once I am zero#s in with the moderator....I then take it off and put on the bore sight and take the grid ref.......next time I'm going out just in sure the same ref before putting on the moderator

Tackleberrywho

Collioure wrote: »

These shot savers look very handy...for me it would be nice to make sure my zero is spot on before I go out....however I use a moderator....I would presume that once I am zero#s in with the moderator....I then take it off and put on the bore sight and take the grid ref.......next time I'm going out just in sure the same ref before putting on the moderator

I personally think the WINDAGE is more important that the angle of scope is correct. Otherwise Round goes off on a tangent.

My .223 is moderated and bullet rises 100mm 4inches~ when mod is off. I zero with Mod on.

So if the Bore sighter is level with the barrel and stock then level scope accordingly.
I might re-bed my stock to make it more level with the action & Barrel. thus keeping system in equilibrium

The more things that can be keep equal the more accurate it should be, In Theory:D:D:D
But Murphy did have a law!

tomcat220t

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Was your stock Aluminium bedded previously, mine is but I wonder if extra bedding is worth the effort??

Alunminium bedding plate and glass bedding that, is a top job ,imo ;)Who does your bedding or do you do it yourself ?

Tackleberrywho

tomcat220t wrote: »

Alunminium bedding plate and glass bedding that, is a top job ,imo ;)Who does your bedding or do you do it yourself ?

I'll get Fergal White to do it. I'll participate if I can. That schtuff tis mighty interetin to me :D
I hope to give it a go soon.
Thanks Tom