Help pick my focus :)

EriT

Hi all

I have just taken out a loan and am about to buy my first car. I have decided on a Ford Focus 1.4 2000,2001 or 2002 have about 3700 to spend have a few cars picked out and plan on going to see them this weekend.Not fused about colour or no. of doors.

Any chance you lads in the know could look at the below and give advise on which seems to be the best offer?

http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=495734&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26amp;o%3D253%26amp;l[]%3D10%26amp;e%3D5000%26amp;nx%3D6%26amp;g%3D0

http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=520481&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26amp;o%3D253%26amp;l[]%3D10%26amp;e%3D5000%26amp;nx%3D6%26amp;g%3D0

http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=494999&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26amp;o%3D253%26amp;l[]%3D10%26amp;e%3D5000%26amp;nx%3D6%26amp;g%3D0

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/Focus/FREEDOM-/201014197544668/advert?channel=CARS

Cheers for your help

Mr Benevolent

EriT wrote: »

Hi all

I have just taken out a loan and am about to buy my first car. I have decided on a Ford Focus 1.4 2000,2001 or 2002 have about 3700 to spend have a few cars picked out and plan on going to see them this weekend.Not fused about colour or no. of doors.

Any chance you lads in the know could look at the below and give advise on which seems to be the best offer?

http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=495734&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26amp;o%3D253%26amp;l[]%3D10%26amp;e%3D5000%26amp;nx%3D6%26amp;g%3D0

http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=520481&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26amp;o%3D253%26amp;l[]%3D10%26amp;e%3D5000%26amp;nx%3D6%26amp;g%3D0

http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=494999&r=s.php%3Fm%3D26%26amp;o%3D253%26amp;l[]%3D10%26amp;e%3D5000%26amp;nx%3D6%26amp;g%3D0

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/Focus/FREEDOM-/201014197544668/advert?channel=CARS

Cheers for your help

My advice - avoid the 1.4 unless you enjoy dangerously slow overtaking. Oh, and crap fuel consumption.

EriT

Confab wrote: »

My advice - avoid the 1.4 unless you enjoy dangerously slow overtaking. Oh, and crap fuel consumption.

Kind of has to be a 1.4 because of insurance as its my first car

Mr Benevolent

Ah. Fire away so. They all look expensive to me. Try not to get anything worse than the Zetec spec.

EriT

Confab wrote: »

Ah. Fire away so. They all look expensive to me. Try not to get anything worse than the Zetec spec.

Cheers for the help

Stky10

EriT wrote: »

Kind of has to be a 1.4 because of insurance as its my first car

Having driven both the 1.4 and the 1.6 of that generation, the 1.4 surprised me as to how lively it was. It should be a fine car to learn on.

Impossible to differentiate them from the webpage. Go and see them and see the service history of them all and base it on that, how well the engine seems to run, and the deal you get from the dealer.

EriT

Stky10 wrote: »

Having driven both the 1.4 and the 1.6 of that generation, the 1.4 surprised me as to how lively it was. It should be a fine car to learn on.

Impossible to differentiate them from the webpage. Go and see them and see the service history of them all and base it on that, how well the engine seems to run, and the deal you get from the dealer.

Having done ten lessons in a focus 1.4 i found it fine. Cheers i will go look at them all

Hal1

The focus got a facelift in 02. Trim in the rear and front bumper, the lights have indicators. The centre console is usually sliver. Check the remote central locking is working from the keyfob;). Check for rust spots under the wind mirrors due to door making contact with it, and on and around the wheel arches.

Check if there is water in were the spare wheel goes. That would mean a leak from either the rear windscreen wash pump or drain channel at the rear light could be blocked. The front windscreen wash tubing can leak and water can accumulate on top of rocker cover where the spark plugs are, but thats an easy enough fix. Apart from all that you should be grand .

The 1.4 is a grand car, it has 74bhp and reasonable on juice and handles really well. I can't fault it.

colm_mcm

they all seem pricey for the year.

EriT

Hal1 wrote: »

The focus got a facelift in 02. Trim in the rear and front bumper, the lights have indicators. The centre console is usually sliver. Check the remote central locking is working from the keyfob;). Check for rust spots under the wind mirrors due to door making contact with it, and on and around the wheel arches.

Check if there is water in were the spare wheel goes. That would mean a leak from either the rear windscreen wash pump or drain channel at the rear light could be blocked. The front windscreen wash tubing can leak and water can accumulate on top of rocker cover where the spark plugs are, but thats an easy enough fix. Apart from all that you should be grand .

cheers plenty for me to look out for thanks what do you think i should b paying for any of the above cars? as people seem to be saying the above are pricey ?

colm_mcm

Brother got a low mileage 04 with alloys, aircon etc, full service history and mint condition for 4k privately. Was a 1.6 5dr.

EriT

colm_mcm wrote: »

Brother got a low mileage 04 with alloys, aircon etc, full service history and mint condition for 4k privately. Was a 1.6 5dr.

Very interesting cheers

Hal1

EriT wrote: »

cheers plenty for me to look out for thanks what do you think i should b paying for any of the above cars? as people seem to be saying the above are pricey ?

All you can do is compare prices from other sites and hopefully you don't buy a lemon. If you hold out long enough you'll find a good one. Just get it checked by mechanic. Make sure it has a recent enough nct. If buying privately the seller sells the car as seen and is not responsible for any faults found after sale. If buying from a garage they usually give 3 month parts warranty.

EPM

Stky10 wrote: »

Having driven both the 1.4 and the 1.6 of that generation, the 1.4 surprised me as to how lively it was. It should be a fine car to learn on.

The 1.4 is pants - I used to own a 1.4. It's dangerously underpowered imo.

OP, try a 1.6, can't imagine a huge difference in insurance plus it will be more economical too in the real world

Henry Ford III

Stky10 wrote: »

Having driven both the 1.4 and the 1.6 of that generation, the 1.4 surprised me as to how lively it was....

There's a big performance difference and 25bhp (33%) power difference between the 2 engines.

If you can manage it insurance wise the 1.6 is a better buy.

Sofiztikated

Now, I haven't looked at the cars in the links, but if they are older than '03, then €4K is far too much/

I currently drive the 1.4 Freedom model, and I'd advise you to look for a 1.6. Your insurance shouldn't be much of a difference.

The 1.4 is underpowered, geared all wrong for the speeds, and hungry on juice, as is dragging a heavy car.

Check for rust in:

The bottoms of the doors
The arches
The wings
The boot (under the spare)
Under the mirrors

Check if the scuttle panel has been updated, as some are prone to letting water in through the pollen filter, thus flooding the passenger footwell. (and check there for rust too.)

Make sure the C/L works.

Make sure the horn works, has a tendancy to stop erratically.

It looks like a list of stuff, but the Focus is a great car, there's a reason why it was What Car's Best Car for a while, and why it boosted Ford sales in Germany. But its a Ford, and needs some checking. Like all cars really, I just know because I've had to deal with them on mine.


If I had the chance again, I'd get a 1.6. (I'm hmm'ing and hah'ing about upgrading to an ST. Hopefully an ST3, but it won't be mega new because of the stupid taxing now.)

the goon

Hi, like the op, I am lookin to buy a focus. Was eyeing an 06 1.4L for 8k, only 35000m up on it. Currently driving a car which needs a running start to overtake, so would this be underpowered then?

yupyup7up

my dad has the 1.6 and my ex had a 1.4.
I drove the 1.4 for months(from limerick to dublin) and i regularly drive the 1.6(drove it to shannon a few times)

The 1.4 is grand for town driving but is a bit underpowered on a big road.
The fuel consumption is similiar on both(obviously 1.6 would be worse if you rally the car).

1.6 is a nice bit faster too, even though its the estate.

id personally get the 1.6. AFAIK the insurance difference wouldnt be much

EPM

the goon wrote: »

Hi, like the op, I am lookin to buy a focus. Was eyeing an 06 1.4L for 8k, only 35000m up on it. Currently driving a car which needs a running start to overtake, so would this be underpowered then?

In the new model buy a 1.6, Ghia or Titanium if you can find one. It has a more powerful and economical 1.6 compared to the Zetec or LX

Ush1

Check around the drive shafts underneath and the oil sump for potential oil leaks also.

Henry Ford III

EPM wrote: »

In the new model buy a 1.6, Ghia or Titanium if you can find one. It has a more powerful and economical 1.6 compared to the Zetec or LX

They are pretty rare.

p.s. The Ti-VCT engine has a timing belt, whereas the "cooking" 1.6 has a chain.

focusowner

right ive had almost every model of focus there has been apart from the 05- models

as said above 1.4 is dangerously underpowered and if i were buying a car that had to be 1.4 id go for the lighter fiesta and it would be a bit quicker however if u could stretch to a 1.6 ul have a better car !

the 1.6 is not massively more impressive than the 1.4 but u would notice it from overtaking and ive seen one modified that managed a healthy 116bhp on a focus forums rolling road day

again the older models can possibly suffer from rust but mostly they are fine with no major issues apart from imported ones

things to watch out for are coil packs that give trouble throughout the whole focus range and the seal on the scuttle panel over the pollen filter lifting off the windscreen letting water ingress into the passenger footwell

rear drop links can get rattly and loose with wear and need replacement so keep an ear out for rattles from under neath over rough ground , again the front drop link arms tend to go too and ul again get rattles from the front over rough ground all easy fixed !

as regards the ones u listed above i think they are all too expensive esp the first one a 02 with 120k miles on it almost are they having a laugh?

here is a link to one on donedeal and it would be something id try aiming for price wise and model spec its a 1.6 if ur insurance would stretch that far

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1265099

its a decent model its 3 door and (nicer in 3 door ) a nice colour too ! any questions drop me a pm , i run a focus forum and can answer most questions u might have wont link the forum title here in case its against rules of board

rtmie

focusowner wrote: »

things to watch out for are coil packs that give trouble throughout the whole focus range

You can sing that!!!

Also catalytic conv went on my 03 after 35K miles, apparently not uncommon. Check if it has already been replaced on any you are looking at.

focusowner

newer models 2005-on have a leak under drivers side windscreen washer lettin water onto engine and it gets down beside the plugs past the rubber seal once in it cant escape and heat causes steam rust etc and now its not uncommon to have a plug seize in the head of the engine ! making changin a b1atch , ford have revised windscreen jets that seal better for anyone interested

also the bootlid has new rails available to stop rain running into it when u open the boot if its raining again only applies to newer model

EriT

Went and viewed a few cars yesterday also looked at insurance and as it doesn't seem 2go up much for the 1.6 i have decided il try for one of them as it seems it is the better option. Aiming for a 3door 1.6 zetec 2002

focusowner

good choice

ash_18x

am currently on my third focus, has a 2002 1.6 3 door, never had an ounce of trouble with that one. got a fiesta but too small so bought another 2002 3 door. changed the coil pack in it, not any other ounce of trouble with it and i was putting up 30k a year easily. changed to a diesel one now because of the mileage, its the 2005 newer model and 5 door! i miss the 3 door petrol one.

great car and you cant go wrong with one.

my brother had a 1999 5 door 1.4, sold it on a few years back and he nct'd (he works for the nct) it about a month ago and there was well over 250k on the clock and it was still going great!

this is a nice one on donedeal- you would probably get it cheaper too!

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1265986

there are loads out there! happy hunting!!

Hal1

The tinting would have to be removed for the nct. But yeah looks like a good one.

focusowner

if u look at the picture taken from the rear of the car the tint thru the side window aint that dark so would probably be ok !

colm_mcm

bring a mechanic with you. I'm not saying it is the case, but a modified 1.6 Focus could have the hoop driven out of it.

Hal1

I would be wary of lowered cars in particular and the condition of the suspension from speed ramps.

focusowner

wonder is that why im getting so few calls on mine ! even though its treated like a baby club members car from new

EriT

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/Focus/1.6-ZETE/201012197312491/advert?channel=CARS

went to see this 1 on Saturday going back again later this week with sum1 who nows what there looking at. wouldn't b buying at that price though

Hermit07

I just traded in a 08 Focus zetec 1.4 for the new 1.6 diesel style model and I have to say I love the 1.6. It appears to me to be a much more powerful engine (but I'm a girl and havent a clue about cars):D

I found that the 1.4 engine struggled sometimes, I wanted something a bit quicker for town driving, dont be on motorways much

focusowner

EriT wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/Focus/1.6-ZETE/201012197312491/advert?channel=CARS

went to see this 1 on Saturday going back again later this week with sum1 who nows what there looking at. wouldn't b buying at that price though

just a note its missing the tow eye cover for starters and secondly its got the 1.8 gear knob ?? and thirdly check for wear on the steering wheel it looks a little shabby in the picture if it looks very badly worn the mileage is mad ! ive similar mileage on my 03 and the wheel is like new apart from a wee bit of a shine from it

bigbadbear

Please do not buy ANY of the cars you linked! You clearly want to buy a focus and while I don't like them myself I understand you have been driving one and like it so fair enough. IMHO The cars you've linked are really expensive!! Maybe you should shop around and see what you find.

I just happen to have this tab open while I'm writing this. It will give you an idea of what €3000 can buy. I was also thinking about buying this which could actually be a possibility for you when you consider the very slight difference in tax and insurance. If you have your heart set on a focus then go for it! I just don't think you would get value for money out of the cars above.

EriT

focusowner wrote: »

just a note its missing the tow eye cover for starters and secondly its got the 1.8 gear knob ?? and thirdly check for wear on the steering wheel it looks a little shabby in the picture if it looks very badly worn the mileage is mad ! ive similar mileage on my 03 and the wheel is like new apart from a wee bit of a shine from it

I did notice the steering wheel was very shabby which i found strange for the miles but didn't think much as this is really my first car so have nothing to base it on

colm_mcm

focusowner wrote: »

just a note its missing the tow eye cover for starters

Tow eye cover is there, that's a dent in the bumper (prob from a towbar) you can see.

can't see that being worth more than 3k

EriT

colm_mcm wrote: »

Tow eye cover is there, that's a dent in the bumper (prob from a towbar) you can see.

yeah its a dent Tow eye cover is beside it

EriT

colm_mcm wrote: »

Tow eye cover is there, that's a dent in the bumper (prob from a towbar) you can see.

can't see that being worth more than 3k

You think id get it for 3k its a big drop from 4250?

colm_mcm

Don't know if you'd get it for 3, but I wouldn't pay more than that for an 02 Focus.

focusowner

sorry im gettin old my eyesight aint what it was last week lol:D:D


yeah if steering is rough mileage is wrong esp if its a leather steering wheel as that car would have come with a plastic rubbery one from new and they dont hold up well at all ! id not pay more than 3500 for a 02 one in good condition !

there is a 03 1.4 on donedeal only thing is its a 5 door needs a rear door and pane of glass and quarter panel repair for 1400 euro noe if u picked that up for 1150 and a door for 50 ud have it repaired for 1500 for a 03

Hal1

There was a flood of focus's for sale in Jan/Feb. They weren't over the asking price either and decent spec 03's/04's (1.6's) not over €4k. I think people are getting overly optimistic asking for more than that. Might be an idea to setup some rss feeds with what your looking for and save you trawling through the car sites.

focusowner

well they can get 3k scrappage so why sell for less i suppose ?

colm_mcm

focusowner wrote: »

well they can get 3k scrappage so why sell for less i suppose ?

could you explain that?

focusowner

well i mean the older ones obviously the 99s etc 10 years old not worth a huge amount but they would get 3k allowance as a trade in on a new one


so less older cheap ones for sale

colm_mcm

Now I got ya
you could apply that logic to any 10 year old car I suppose.

focusowner

i love 3 door focus sss and would love a red mark one 99-01 3 door but i reckon they will be gone and impossible to find an example in years to come they will all be scrapped before people even notice they have gone ! same for all newer cars cos noone passes any notice until they are gone !

colm_mcm

problem is the 3dr doesn't sell in big numbers as a new car and is favoured by younger drivers as a used car. Same with Corollas, Golfs etc.

Still plenty in the UK.

focusowner

ah yeah loads over there and better examples apart from the rust but better spec

Hal1

Here's a clean looking 1.6 04 here. Short hop away in Longford.