The Iceland Volcano Thread

Graces7

peasant wrote: »

That's what some computer models tell us. Planes that actually have flown through the ash cloud tell a different story.

As always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Just so far there are no agreed ways to find the truth. The whole airspace closure is based on a theoretical model and not on facts and risk assessment.

That has to change.

I know; but we are very simple and very practical people and at our level can do nothing.

And of course they are all covering their backs. Always the same.

I am posting to a US ireland forum and they are all so upset re cancelled holidays.. and so many stranded here too.

Cuauhtemoc

Was subsiding on the 12th as well...

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/17668920/

Prediction is never certain with volcanoes.

C.

darkman2

Only steam coming from the volcano now according to latest news reports. Ash fall has stopped downwind so looks like things are far better now for the next couple of days with regard to air travel.

Elmo5

Does it look like there's a bit of a drop in tremors around Katla?
http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html

maquiladora

Elmo5 wrote: »

Does it look like there's a bit of a drop in tremors around Katla?
http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html

Seems to have plateaued a bit alright.

LookingFor

The VAAC forecast if not already posted:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271655414.png

I found the IAA's latest advisory a little subtle jab given the recent backlash against the bans...

The Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre London, the competent European authority in relation to volcanic ash, projects that the ash cloud is almost stagnant over Europe. Until weather conditions change this pattern, ongoing restrictions will continue.

Jumpy

nacho libre wrote: »

of course it all makes sense now. just as i missed all the signs that the hulkster was responsible for 9-11 -

He is responsible for far more than that.

His reign of terror goes all the way back to the Great Fire of London.

alibabba

The Royal Navy are been drafted in the rescue the brits stranded abroard, source sky news.

So i can expect a statement any time soon from the Irish Government that they are launching the complete fleet of LEs !

maquiladora

Confirming what we can see on the webcam and graphs....

Iceland volcano sends new tremors, lower ash cloud

Published: 04.19.10

The erupting volcano in Iceland sent further strong tremors throughout the surrounding area on Monday but the ash plume which has caused air traffic chaos has descended to an altitude of about 2 km (1.2 miles), the Meteorological Office said.

"The ash plume is very low. It's not much higher than 2 kilometers," Hjorleifur Sveinbjornsson, a geologist at the Meteorological Office, told Reuters. (Reuters)

My name is URL

M.T. Cranium wrote: »

Does this sound overly conspiracy-theory to you ... it occurs to me that when the volcanic ash became an issue early in the week, many governments were looking at sending their leaders to Poland, and then may have begun to reconsider the wisdom of that not so much because of volcanic dust hazards to aircraft but for entirely different reasons -- possibly suspecting that something could go awry with the security there, even something related to the original causes of the triggering event (the aircraft crash in Russia).

It occurs to me that if suddenly on Monday everything is okay for flight supposedly, this could look rather suspicious in retrospect. I shall now be on the watch for Russian, EU, CIA, Canadian and Club of Rome types in my antechambers. :eek:

People like to dismiss anything with the word conspiracy in it., but you'd be hard pressed to say that there was nothing odd about the whole thing. This really caught my attention - http://avherald.com/h?article=42a3d003&opt=0

After the events of the last 10 days, for that incident to happen just seems way too coincidental. I reckon the Russians knew what they were doing, and failed to complete the flight so as to prolong the grounding of others.. Stranger things have happened

rebel girl 15

alibabba wrote: »

The Royal Navy are been drafted in the rescue the brits stranded abroard, source sky news.

So i can expect a statement any time soon from the Irish Government that they are launching the complete fleet of LEs !

One of the fleet is on standby in Dublin to transport any sick children that need operations in the UK, don't know about the rest of the fleet

LookingFor

At what altitude does the plume have to eject to to cause problems for aircraft down here? With the lower plume has the tap effectively been turned off?

ann_likes_cake

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

One of the fleet is on standby in Dublin to transport any sick children that need operations in the UK, don't know about the rest of the fleet

I think I read that the LE Ciara is waiting near Loop Head in case it is required for search and rescue.

We only have 8 in service, not sure where the other 6 are.

maquiladora

LookingFor wrote: »

At what altitude does the plume have to eject to to cause problems for aircraft down here? With the lower plume has the tap effectively been turned off?

If the plume is lower then I think most of the ash would just fall into the sea and not be carried so far.

rebel girl 15

ann_likes_cake wrote: »

I think I read that the LE Ciara is waiting near Loop Head in case it is required for search and rescue.

We only have 8 in service, not sure where the other 6 are.

Yep, LE Ciara is providing Search and Rescue cover 50 nautical miles of the west coast - LE Roisin is in the Irish Sea in case it is called to Dublin to transport patients to the UK

Su Campu

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Yep, LE Ciara is providing Search and Rescue cover 50 nautical miles of the west coast - LE Roisin is in the Irish Sea in case it is called to Dublin to transport patients to the UK

Hey, be careful there, a guy got imprisoned last week for giving out the locations of a ship!

rebel girl 15

Su Campu wrote: »

Hey, be careful there, a guy got imprisoned last week for giving out the locations of a ship!

I put all blame on Tim Vaughan - he put it on a National newspaper this morning!

LookingFor

BA is saying a visual inspection revealed no damage on their test flight yesterday. They're doing a technical analysis now.

On the other hand, Nato has said 'several' F-16 fighter jets have suffered engine damage patrolling over Europe:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOf6EkFL_a2lZK_hHNlDWEig3uXwD9F63E6G4

Is there something about military engines that might exacerbate the problem vs commercial jets?

Min

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually test flights through British and Irish air space have concluded that currently it is very dangerous over us.
The ash elsewhere over Europe is dispersing nicely but we are still in a northerly bringing more of it down.

peasant wrote: »

Would you have a source for that?

I heard what Black Briar posted on Morning Ireland on Radio 1 this morning.

lucernarian

peasant wrote: »

Would you have a source for that?

I'm sure Black Briar doesn't need me answering questions for him but I felt compelled to post a piece from BBC news this morning:

BBC wrote:

However, a Met Office plane encountered dangerous levels of ash when it went through the ash cloud on Sunday.

Website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8628878.stm Near the bottom of the article.

LookingFor

Sky had a guy on from the UK Met office explaining how they're determining the risk.

He was explaining that they don't simply predict, but do also measure. They use LIDAR to 'see' the layers of ash, and have also been running their own flights taking samples. He says these measurements show a number of layers of ash at different altitudes and are roughly in line with the predicted flow of the dust.

maquiladora

Ash plume still looks fairly low on the webcam but the tremors have picked up again in some locations.

alibabba

LookingFor wrote: »

BA is saying a visual inspection revealed no damage on their test flight yesterday. They're doing a technical analysis now.

On the other hand, Nato has said 'several' F-16 fighter jets have suffered engine damage patrolling over Europe:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gOf6EkFL_a2lZK_hHNlDWEig3uXwD9F63E6G4

Is there something about military engines that might exacerbate the problem vs commercial jets?

Ya ... money
BA would look at it wrt airlines losing money
Nato would look at it wrt safety.

John mac

Found a nice photo Before eruption from here

pauldry

Is this a live link for volcano. dont know coz me computers a bit crap but thats the unpronouncable place where it is isnt it
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

maquiladora

From Reuters, more good news (I think?)

LAVA SEEN AT ICELANDIC VOLCANO, ASH PRODUCTION DIMINISHING - METEOROLOGICAL OFFICE

maquiladora

pauldry wrote: »

Is this a live link for volcano. dont know coz me computers a bit crap but thats the unpronouncable place where it is isnt it
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

Yep, thats live.

John mac

Light aircraft just flew over me, about 10,000 feet

Iancar29

British Royal Navy to be used to bring stranded Brits home from europe....you would think they would of this straight away.

LOokin at the live feed of the volcano now, doesnt look so" angry "2day.

John mac

Just gone over again heading west this time, Twin engined,


couldn't make out any markings though.