Do you Lotto Plus?

Raiser

I've always been a bit unsure of spending 33.3% extra on opting for Lotto Plus.

Seeing as the odds of winning the Lotto are exactly equivalent to dying from a Shark attack while drinking a pint in your Local, my mind is always a bit confused when I'm trying to evaluate the maths, stats and intricate specifics involved.....

- What's the consensus out there, is it a waste of money or a shrewd move?

Kiera

Atari Jaguar

I always plus it. If you're not in it, you cant win it

/that sentence looks like i'm trying to use the word "it" as many times as possible

That_Guy

Atari Jaguar

I don't usually do the Lotto but I did Lotto plus the last time and won €50 back. So in that sense it was a good idea to go for the plus.

PirateShampoo

Atari Jaguar

Yes, because i have it in my head that the one week i dont do it is the one week the numbers will come up.

I dont think i could buy a ticket without the plus.

corkcomp

rarely play lotto but if i do, I plus... two extra draws like?

biko

If you want serious stats etc then Gambling forum is the place.
Me, I never play Lotto or similar. Maybe I should start, could do with a second Ferrari.

That_Guy

Atari Jaguar

Is the Lotto plus 1 & 2 completely separate to each other?

Fago!

Yep.

NothingMan

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

I'm the only person in my office not in the syndicate so if they ever win big then I become MD by default. So at least i'll have a decent job. Been here 4 years though and they've never won enough to pay anything out, just the odd few euro to put back in the kitty. I'd rather put a tenner a month on a 1000/1 horse tbh.

Atari Jaguar

I do plus and quickpicks so I wont have any regrets. There's stories of men buying valentine cards instead of their tickets and coming home to the family celebrating..

NTC

Atari Jaguar

Always do it, but then I only do the lotto when it is a big prize ... like tonight €16m ...

bonerm

NTC wrote: »

Always do it, but then I only do the lotto when it is a big prize ... like tonight €16m ...

WTF? I'm buying a ticket tonight AND I'm going to plus the fúck out of it too!

That_Guy

Atari Jaguar

NTC wrote: »

Always do it, but then I only do the lotto when it is a big prize ... like tonight €16m ...

It's mine!!!

That_Guy

Atari Jaguar

bonerm wrote: »

WTF? I'm buying a ticket tonight AND I'm going to plus the fúck out of it too!

"Hi, could I get a €10 quick pick please. Oh and could you PLUS THE FCUK OUT OF IT"

Definitely trying this when I go down to the shop later.

orourkeda

Atari Jaguar

€250000 and €300000 are pretty decent consolation prizes

orourkeda

Atari Jaguar

That_Guy wrote: »

"Hi, could I get a €10 quick pick please. Oh and could you PLUS THE FCUK OUT OF IT"

Definitely trying this when I go down to the shop later.

You cant beat a bit of an aul plusfcuk

admiralofthefleet

Atari Jaguar

yeah

TPD

Bought a ticket today and didn't plus it. Forgot all about plussing, then got flustered when the shop woman asked if I wanted to plus it up.

stovelid

I know somebody who won Lotto Plus, so it does happen. Very big sum too

SV

Atari Jaguar

Yup, definitely.

I'd be regretting it big time if I didn't

timmywex

Atari Jaguar

More people win the lotto plus jacpots than the regular i think.

Vast majority of people do the plus from my expirience working in a shop.

SV

Atari Jaguar

SV wrote: »

Yup, definitely.

I'd be regretting it big time if I didn't

I'll always remember you as the lotto guy..

GavRedKing

Atari Jaguar

I feel like I have to plus it up. Dont know why but for a small bit extra for 2 extra draws, why not?

Raiser

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

biko wrote: »

If you want serious stats etc then Gambling forum is the place.
Me, I never play Lotto or similar. Maybe I should start, could do with a second Ferrari.

Thanks Biko - May post this over there in a bit, unless some maths Genius comes over here first and lays all the numbers, rules and probabilities out for us in easily digestible form.

What concerns me is:

If you paid out €12 you would get 8 lines on the Lotto with no Lotto Plus

For the same €12 you get 6 lines including Lotto Plus.

- So, using tonight as an example, do you assess it as being still in with a tiny shot at winning €16,000,000 and a decent chance of paying off your mortgage by winning 250,000 on Lotto Plus?

I suppose in fairness, the fact that you have added two further lines by electing to not pay for Lotto Plus does not statistically improve your chances of winning the Jackpot by anything other than a statistically tiny amount in relative terms.....

mathie

The lotto.
A tax on people who can't do basic maths.

That_Guy

Atari Jaguar

mathie wrote: »

The lotto.
A tax on people who can't do basic maths.

What? There's no maths involved. You just guess a few numbers.

SV

Atari Jaguar

mathie wrote: »

The lotto.
A tax on people who can't do basic maths.

lol.

and for the people who win?
what about those who win multiple times?

have to laugh at people who say this really..
the logic.."The chances of winning are so small so what's the point you're just wasting money argh argh"

mathie

Atari Jaguar

mathie wrote: »

The lotto.
A tax on people who can't do basic maths.

When did probability and statistics become basic math?

Raiser

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

mathie wrote: »

The lotto.
A tax on people who can't do basic maths.

Yeah - I stopped doing it for years cause the odds are so shíte.....

- Started buying the odd one recently again as some Fool wins it so it may as well be this Fool

bonerm

mathie wrote: »

The lotto.
A tax on people who can't do basic maths.

Why do people assume lotto players are living in this dream world where a jackpot win is just an inevitiabilty or some foregone conclusion?

Do you really believe anyone is going into a shop today and buying a ticket with this idea they have some reasonable chance of winning?

It's just pie-in-the-sky hoop dreams for them. It's just something to keep them going thru the drugery of modern living for another day. Look at me for example, even I know the chances of me winning the jackpot tonight are only 50:50.

KevR

Atari Jaguar

A friend of mine apparently knows someone who never used to do plus and their numbers all came up on one of the plus draws :eek:. I would never forgive myself if that happened to me so I always do Lotto Plus.

NothingMan

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

bonerm wrote: »

even I know the chances of me winning the jackpot tonight are only 50:50.

Just buy 2 tickets and it's a sure thing.

Degag

Just back from the shops... did a €6 quickpick without plus. You get an extra line (4 instead of 3) so i'm feeling lucky tonight;)

mathie

SV wrote: »

lol.

and for the people who win?
what about those who win multiple times?

have to laugh at people who say this really..
the logic.."The chances of winning are so small so what's the point you're just wasting money argh argh"

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/DaveRamsey/2010/02/16/dave_says_lotto_rip-off

Caoimhín

The lotto is a tax on stupid people.

Degag

Caoimhín wrote: »

The lotto is a tax on stupid people.

Is the national lottery a government agency now or something?

NothingMan

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

Degag wrote: »

Is the national lottery a government agency now or something?

Yes

Raiser

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

Caoimhín wrote: »

The lotto is a tax on stupid people.

Well if you called this Woman stupid she could buy everybody and everything you ever owned, cared about or wanted, pile them outside one of her Mansions and burn them out of spite.

Fact!!!

Degag

An Post National Lottery Company is licensed to operate the National Lottery by the Minister of Finance on the Minister's behalf in accordance with the National Lottery Act 1986.

To operate a world-class lottery for the people of Ireland, raising funds for good causes, on behalf of the Government.

Ummmmm, not really;)

DazMarz

Atari Jaguar

Yeah, I pay my additional 33.33% idiot tax on top of my base idiot tax.

Sorry

Raiser wrote: »

Well if you called this Woman stupid she could buy everybody and everything you ever owned, cared about or wanted, pile them outside one of her Mansions and burn them out of spite.

Fact!!!

Not a fact really. What would she do with all her money when she's in jail for human trafficking and serial murder?

Caoimhín

Raiser wrote: »

Well if you called this Woman stupid she could buy everybody and everything you ever owned, cared about or wanted, pile them outside one of her Mansions and burn them out of spite.

Fact!!!

Bet she isnt happy.

How many times have i told you children, money and material things do not bring you happiness.

Raiser

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

Sorry wrote: »

Not a fact really. What would she do with all her money when she's in jail for human trafficking and serial murder?

Nah - You're getting confused with cause, effect and consequence.....

- I wasn't talking about the punishment she might receive - just pointing out that she has the financial resources to do it

Jesus Wept

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

I wouldn't touch off lotto plus as it dilutes your chances of scooping the main draw which is what I'm more interested in.

Sorry

Raiser wrote: »

Nah - You're getting confused with cause, effect and consequence.....

- I wasn't talking about the punishment she might receive - just pointing out that she has the financial resources to do it

Not really, she can offer all of her fortune to me to buy all my favourite things but that doesn't mean I'll accept. So I think you meant to say she has enough money to have them stolen from me? Well she's from Limerick after all...

Raiser

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

Sorry wrote: »

Not really, she can offer all of her fortune to me to buy all my favourite things but that doesn't mean I'll accept. So I think you meant to say she has enough money to have them stolen from me? Well she's from Limerick after all...

Wikipedia wrote:

The family had been plagued by threats of abduction

- That's so out of context; The same is true for most families living in Limerick....

lugha

Caoimhín wrote: »

Bet she isnt happy.

How many times have i told you children, money and material things do not bring you happiness.

Have you left out a comma there? :pac:
True, it doesn't. And pretty much everyone knows that but still manage to behave as if they didn't. One of the quirkier aspects of folk.

And I don't think its a tax on stupidity. I occasionally but a ticket and I know what the odds are and I don't but with any serious expectation that I might win. But you still have a bit of fun day dreaming in the minutes before the draw, mentally drafting the "stuff your job" speech for your boss and generally enjoying a nice, if entirely irrational, buzz. That's pretty much what you pay your 3 (?) bananas for.

Raiser

Yes - Its paying a little more to possibly win lots!!!

Caoimhín wrote: »

Bet she isnt happy.

How many times have i told you children, money and material things do not bring you happiness.

lugha wrote: »

Have you left out a comma there? :pac:
True, it doesn't. And pretty much everyone knows that but still manage to behave as if they didn't. One of the quirkier aspects of folk.

And I don't think its a tax on stupidity. I occasionally but a ticket and I know what the odds are and I don't but with any serious expectation that I might win. But you still have a bit of fun day dreaming in the minutes before the draw, mentally drafting the "stuff your job" speech for your boss and generally enjoying a nice, if entirely irrational, buzz. That's pretty much what you pay your 3 (?) bananas for.

Money in sufficient quantities guarantees you the very best of everything on this Planet - This path to happiness can only by hindered by the Spenders own limitations and in the event of failure, their abject stupidity.....

Raiser

Atari Jaguar

Raiser wrote: »

Money in sufficient quantities guarantees you the very best of everything on this Planet - This path to happiness can only by hindered by the Spenders own limitations and in the event of failure, their abject stupidity.....

Very good way of looking at it..

the keen edge

That_Guy wrote: »

"Hi, could I get a €10 quick pick please. Oh and could you PLUS THE FCUK OUT OF IT"

Definitely trying this when I go down to the shop later.

My favourite part was when you PLUSSED THE FCUK OUT OF IT

Caoimhín

Raiser wrote: »

This path to happiness can only by hindered by the Spenders own limitations....

You dont seriously believe that do you?

I know some incredibly rich people and i find that they spend much of their time worrying about their money and how to make more of it.

Im happy and content with what i have.