Stereotypes

Annasopra

It seems that there are lot of stereotypes about what it means to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. What stereotypes annoy you? Do you think that stereotypes can be seen as representative?

ding-dong

Ah just silly things like thinking gay men love shopping and are wonderful accessories for single straight females. i.e. The Sex and The City version of the gay male. I think any stereotype annoys me really. It just seems so dumb to connect sexual orientation to all these other traits that have nothing to do with it. Sexuality can be a confusing thing to come to terms with, people don't need all these extra expectations.

Aard

@ManyGirls:
That I have some innate ability to be constantly funny or amusing, or that — without knowing you — I actually give a shit about your life.

Chuchoter

Lesbians just haven't found the right man.
All gay men love fashion and are hairdressers.

Iwasfrozen

Johnnymcg wrote: »

It seems that there are lot of stereotypes about what it means to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. What stereotypes annoy you? Do you think that stereotypes can be seen as representative?

Stereotypes come from somewhere. Sure not all people conform to their stereotype but in my experiences many of them do.

nordisk celt83

^^^ Yes, like the way all Irish people have red hair, blue eyes and freckles. Oh, and they're all alcoholics who enjoy boxing and the consequential domestic abuse that goes with it...

Oh sorry, I should replace ALL with the majority of Irish people according to you!

Annasopra

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Stereotypes come from somewhere. Sure not all people conform to their stereotype but in my experiences the majority of them do.

Your experience must be quite limited - For example there seems to be a stereotype that all gay men are flamboyant and camp - I have found that most gay men are not flamboyant and camp or that all Irish people are drunken brawlers

Pink Adoptions

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Stereotypes come from somewhere. Sure not all people conform to their stereotype but in my experiences the majority of them do.

Could it be that you are not aware of those who do not conform to your stereotypical view?

Iwasfrozen

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Your experience must be quite limited - For example there seems to be a stereotype that all gay men are flamboyant and camp - I have found that most gay men are not flamboyant and camp or that all Irish people are drunken brawlers

I didn't say all people compare to the stereotype. I said in my experiences many people in a certain group conform to the stereotype of that group.

Stereotypes are not baseless. Take homosexuals for example. They may not all be camp but many are. And while not all gay people are camp, nearly all camp people are gay.

Aard

Yeah, but you used the word "majority".

Iwasfrozen

nordisk celt83 wrote: »

^^^ Yes, like the way all Irish people have red hair, blue eyes and freckles. Oh, and they're all alcoholics who enjoy boxing and the consequential domestic abuse that goes with it...

Not all Irish people are ginger with blue eyes and freckles. But we have the second most red haired people in the world after Scotland.

Are you saying Stereotypes don't have a base ?

nordisk celt83 wrote: »

Oh sorry, I should replace ALL with the majority of Irish people according to you!

Emm no you shouldn't...

You should replace all with many.

Iwasfrozen

Aard wrote: »

Yeah, but you used the word "majority".

oops.

L1011

"many" would still suggest your experience is limited, or indeed more likely that the countless LGB people who are not obvious are not likely to let someone with your attitudes know their status...

Annasopra

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I didn't say all people compare to the stereotype. I said in my experiences many people in a certain group conform to the stereotype of that group.

Stereotypes are not baseless. Take homosexuals for example. They may not all be camp but many are. And while not all gay people are camp, nearly all camp people are gay.

Many gay people are camp, many are not, The Majority certainly are not - Also consider it this way - You know 12 gay people - You think you know 5 - (the other 7 are not camp, not obviously gay and not out to you) 4 of the 5 gay people you know are camp - therefore your experience is that

not all people conform to their stereotype but in my experiences the majority of them do.

Iwasfrozen

MYOB wrote: »

"many" would still suggest your experience is limited, or indeed more likely that the countless LGB people who are not obvious are not likely to let someone with your attitudes know their status...

Don't you mean LGBT ?

L1011

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't you mean LGBT ?

Look at the name of this forum.

Iwasfrozen

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Many gay people are camp, many are not, The Majority certainly are not - Also consider it this way - You know 12 gay people - You think you know 5 - (the other 7 are not camp, not obviously gay and not out to you) 4 of the 5 gay people you know are camp - therefore your experience is that

As I said the word majority in my post was a mistake.

Nevertheless I stand by my declaration that stereotypes are not baseless, appearing from nowhere.

Now in regards to your text. Why wouldn't I know the other seven are gay ? I get around quite abit and know a right few people. I would hate to think that they wouldn't be able to confide in me.

Iwasfrozen

MYOB wrote: »

Look at the name of this forum.

That was the joke...

It was a reference to / dig at the current controversy brewing over the name of the forum.

Nebit

Where do i start
That gay guys hate sport except swimming.
That all gay guys check out their mates in the communal showers or would do their male friends if given the opportunity.
That all gays are promiscuous.
That all gay men are camp and women are butch.
There r more but ^^ these annoy me the most.
And no i dont think the stereotypes are good representatives, instead i feel that those stereotypes are holding the gay community back.

Boston

Because people get to an age or stage in their life where they no longer broadcast their private lifes. You maybe know dozens of gay,lesbian and bisexual people without ever realising it. I'm always taken a back by the number of people I encounter who are bisexual.

Nebit

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Stereotypes come from somewhere. Sure not all people conform to their stereotype but in my experiences the majority of them do.

Thats like me saying most gay guys are camp because iv been to a gay bar once. This is just not true.
Its statements like these that do annoy me.
The majority of gay guys i know dont discuss their sexuality, neither do i apart from on boards to help others. None of them are 'flamboyant'

Iwasfrozen

Nebit wrote: »

That gay guys hate sport except swimming.
That all gay guys check out their mates in the communal showers or would do their male friends if given the opportunity.

Meh, I'm sure the check out the ones they fancy.

Nebit wrote: »

And no i dont think the stereotypes are good representatives, instead i feel that those stereotypes are holding the gay community back.

Maybe you're right. Maybe sterotypes are holding the Gay community back. But equaly maybe many people in the gay community feel empowered by the use of stereotypes.

For example if we look at Gay Pride marches we are bombarded with camp slogans and the colour pink. Many people at these events are half dress (weather premitting), and the amount warnings about STI's and Safe Sex slogans leave little to wonder about when searching for an origin of these stereotypes.

But there are two sides to every coin. And as I look closer into the gay community I am begining to see why gay people put on such splended shows of flamboyance. They do it because it challanges the stereotypes one thinks of when thinking of a gay person. Using these stereotypes they become empowered and are better able to break tradition and hopefully change peoples attitudes towards homosexual people.

My two cents on the subject.

Iwasfrozen

Boston wrote: »

Because people get to an age or stage in their life where they no longer broadcast their private lifes. You maybe know dozens of gay,lesbian and bisexual people without ever realising it. I'm always taken a back by the number of people I encounter who are bisexual.

Well I'm 18 and nearly all people I know are 16-20 so I doubt they have reached that stage.

L1011

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

For example if we look at Gay Pride marches we are bombarded with camp slogans and the colour pink. Many people at these events are half dress (weather premitting), and the amount warnings about STI's and Safe Sex slogans leave little to wonder about when searching for an origon of these stereotypes.

I think you need to stop watching so much TV.

Iwasfrozen

Nebit wrote: »

Thats like me saying most gay guys are camp because iv been to a gay bar once. This is just not true.
Its statements like these that do annoy me.
The majority of gay guys i know dont discuss their sexuality, neither do i apart from on boards to help others. None of them are 'flamboyant'

Alright you know what I'm editing my post !

Annasopra

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Stereotypes come from somewhere. Sure not all people conform to their stereotype but in my experiences the majority of them do.

This one?

Iwasfrozen

MYOB wrote: »

I think you need to stop watching so much TV.

Alright now you are just being insulting. Keep it up and I'm putting you on my ignore list.

Iwasfrozen

Johnnymcg wrote: »

This one?

Yep.

Nebit

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Meh, I'm sure the check out the ones they fancy.


Maybe you're right. Maybe sterotypes are holding the Gay community back. But equaly maybe many people in the gay community feel empowered by the use of stereotypes.

For example if we look at Gay Pride marches we are bombarded with camp slogans and the colour pink. Many people at these events are half dress (weather premitting), and the amount warnings about STI's and Safe Sex slogans leave little to wonder about when searching for an origin of these stereotypes.

But there are two sides to every coin. And as I look closer into the gay community I am begining to see why gay people put on such splended shows of flamboyance. They do it because it challanges the stereotypes one thinks of when thinking of a gay person. Using these stereotypes they become empowered and are better able to break tradition and hopefully change peoples attitudes towards homosexual people.

My two cents on the subject.

No the people i shower with are my team mates, my family. Not only that i have decency, like a lot of people out there and wouldnt check out any of them. In the same way my straight friends would look away when a female friend is changing in the same room as them.

My opinions on the Gay parade are that they are outdated, having said that i have never been to one, but i do know that a lot of my Straight friends and 'straight acting' gay friends go. The flamboyant gays are the ones to be televised so i suggest u go to the next parade before coming to that conclusion.
The media shows said flamboyant gays because that is the stereotype which is why my views on media coverage of gay parades are negative.

L1011

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Alright now you are just being insulting. Keep it up and I'm putting you on my ignore list.

Insulting? I'm just stating that your idea of a Pride parade bares no resemblence to reality.

L1011

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well I'm 18 and nearly all people I know are 16-20 so I doubt they have reached that stage.

Wait till you're in the mid 20s before figuring out how many gay people you know. 16-20 is no age to guess at, seeing as many people - particularly those that AREN'T flamboyant - are still in deep denial at that age.

Annasopra

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Meh, I'm sure the check out the ones they fancy.

Maybe you're right. Maybe sterotypes are holding the Gay community back. But equaly maybe many people in the gay community feel empowered by the use of stereotypes.

For example if we look at Gay Pride marches we are bombarded with camp slogans and the colour pink. Many people at these events are half dress (weather premitting), and the amount warnings about STI's and Safe Sex slogans leave little to wonder about when searching for an origin of these stereotypes.

But there are two sides to every coin. And as I look closer into the gay community I am begining to see why gay people put on such splended shows of flamboyance. They do it because it challanges the stereotypes one thinks of when thinking of a gay person. Using these stereotypes they become empowered and are better able to break tradition and hopefully change peoples attitudes towards homosexual people.

My two cents on the subject.

I think this proves my point earlier on

Your experience must be quite limited

Iwasfrozen

Nebit wrote: »

No the people i shower with are my team mates, my family. Not only that i have decency, like a lot of people out there and wouldnt check out any of them. In the same way my straight friends would look away when a female friend is changing in the same room as them.

Really you don't check out people you fancy ? Ok maybe not your friends but say a stranger at the gym or someone you don't know ?

Nebit wrote: »

My opinions on the Gay parade are that they are outdated, having said that i have never been to one, but i do know that a lot of my Straight friends and 'straight acting' gay friends go. The flamboyant gays are the ones to be televised so i suggest u go to the next parade before coming to that conclusion.
The media shows said flamboyant gays because that is the stereotype which is why my views on media coverage of gay parades are negative.

I have been to the Pride parade in Dublin.

Nebit

MYOB wrote: »

Wait till you're in the mid 20s before figuring out how many gay people you know. 16-20 is no age to guess at, seeing as many people - particularly those that AREN'T flamboyant - are still in deep denial at that age.

i would agree with this the majority of my gay 'straight acting' friends are either still in the closet or came out in their early 20s, in fact me being the youngest at 20 and and a half

Tricity Bendix

The stereotypes have a basis in reality. There shouldn't be any harm in admitting that. However, a problem arises when a stereotype is used as a basis for a generalisation (e.g. gay men cant maintain a proper relationship, so they wouldnt make good parents, or lesbians just haven't met a good man).

Iwasfrozen

MYOB wrote: »

Wait till you're in the mid 20s before figuring out how many gay people you know. 16-20 is no age to guess at, seeing as many people - particularly those that AREN'T flamboyant - are still in deep denial at that age.

Well I would like to think that they have no need to be in denial but I suppose this isn't a perfact world. However times are changing fast and people are coming out at a much eariler age now.

Iwasfrozen

Johnnymcg wrote: »

I think this proves my point earlier on

How so ?

L1011

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well I would like to think that they have no need to be in denial but I suppose this isn't a perfact world.

Until such point as there are no longer people attempting to deny equal rights, and such point as there is no homophobia in general society, there will be people who will be unwilling to come out. Particularly in the age group you've provided.

Annasopra

Ok can we get back to the original point of the thread

What stereotypes annoy you?

Nebit

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Really you don't check out people you fancy ? Ok maybe not your friends but say a stranger at the gym or someone you don't know ?


I have been to the Pride parade in Dublin.

not in comunial showers no, as i said its common decency and etiquette not to do so, i dont think id really be arsed to do so either.
If your talking about checking a stranger out while in the gym itself then yes i have but their not naked are they?
At the same token i do not check out everyone in the gym just because they're a dude.

Ok you went to a gay parade, but you only took notice of the flamboyant gay men because they're the most obvious.

L1011

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Ok can we get back to the original point of the thread

That if you're gay, you're going to want to listen to fecking house music in a nightclub.

Not sure thats quite the kind of stereotype you were expecting? :P

ding-dong

MYOB wrote: »

Wait till you're in the mid 20s before figuring out how many gay people you know. 16-20 is no age to guess at, seeing as many people - particularly those that AREN'T flamboyant - are still in deep denial at that age.

I've wondered about this. Would you say it's because of not having been "called out" on it beforehand, whereas the more flamboyant characters would have had to confront the issue at a younger age? i.e. being asked about it or slagged etc? Is it because being able to "blend in" makes people more complacent, or because it becomes easier to lie to yourself?

Nebit

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well I would like to think that they have no need to be in denial but I suppose this isn't a perfact world. However times are changing fast and people are coming out at a much eariler age now.

Well this is the thing, the reason i was afraid to come out before i did was because i would get placed under the stereotypes that you have previously outlined. It was these stereotypes that got me kicked off my team in Mayo.

Annasopra

MYOB wrote: »

That if you're gay, you're going to want to listen to fecking house music in a nightclub.

Not sure thats quite the kind of stereotype you were expecting? :P

No - I was expecting Abba

Nebit

Johnnymcg wrote: »

No - I was expecting Abba

all while wearing tank tops or vests no doubt

Annasopra

Iwasfrozen

Johnnymcg wrote: »

No - I was expecting Abba

Let's not forget Madonna.

Tricity Bendix

And Cher. And Kylie. And Shirley Bassey.

mccarn22

i love changing straight lads opinions towards gay fellas... like the amount of straights that are hung up about gays fancying them... were not that desperate... we do have standards etc... also the question that really annoys me that straight fellas always ask me.. " is it true that gays are like tops and bottoms, or give or take? ".. this wrecks my head... i know for a fact that possibly 4/10 straight guys love ass play themselves.... is it all that bad once your comfortable with it?? I hate that stereotype the most.. top or bottom...!

Nebit

mccarn22 wrote: »

i love changing straight lads opinions towards gay fellas... like the amount of straights that are hung up about gays fancying them... were not that desperate... we do have standards etc... also the question that really annoys me that straight fellas always ask me.. " is it true that gays are like tops and bottoms, or give or take? ".. this wrecks my head... i know for a fact that possibly 4/10 straight guys love ass play themselves.... is it all that bad once your comfortable with it?? I hate that stereotype the most.. top or bottom...!

Hahaha iv had a few of my m8s ask me this too.... arg does my head in. Girls are the worst for asking that particular question imo. Hilarious.

Boston

Nebit wrote: »

Hahaha iv had a few of my m8s ask me this too.... arg does my head in. Girls are the worst for asking that particular question imo. Hilarious.

You should ask them if their vaginas leak.