Do you pronounce the 'th' in clothes?

recylingbin

Davidius wrote: »

I pronounce it armour myself.

WIN!

orourkeda

MmmmmCheese wrote: »

I was having a ridiculously pointless argument with someone about this a while ago, what's the right way to pronounce it?

Garments???????????

Lux23

No I am Irish and I can't pronouce Clothes with the th without spitting on my chin.

aDeener

WindSock wrote: »

Lately, I've been training myself to pronounce things proper, innit. Like I will call a Theatre 'Thee ate er' and Tissues Tissss ewes. So Clo the sz is perfectly acceptable. Yeah, I like to think I am unique. Take that, Goths :cool:

i immediately think "ponce" when i hear someone pronounce it like that

rainbowdrop

This That These Those. That's the way the T h goes

Remember being taught this rhyme at school (in England) when our teacher was trying to encourage us to pronounce our 'T H's. Would have been an absolute nightmare trying to teach that to Irish school kids lol

It didn't work for me anyway... I say 'cloze'

pickarooney

rainbowdrop wrote: »

This That These Those. That's the way the T h goes

Remember being taught this rhyme at school (in England) when our teacher was trying to encourage us to pronounce our 'T H's. Would have been an absolute nightmare trying to teach that to Irish school kids lol

I don't see why. I, as most native speakers of English, have no trouble pronouncing the sound correctly. This particularly case involves a tricky phoneme cluster. Ironically, many of those who do pronounce the 'th' in clothes (and more power to them) decry "amn't" as unpronounceable for the same reason.

Abi

Chillaxe wrote: »

Obviously the majority of posters in here are from Dublin. I find 99% of dubliners don't pronounce th in anything. Such a lazy accent.

Actually, I'm from Dublin and I can't stand it when people don't pronounce their 'th's. Clothes is the only exception to the rule for me.

Tanks - thanks

Tink - think

Toh - thought


^^ Just sounds moronic to me.

rainbowdrop

pickarooney wrote: »

I don't see why. I, as most native speakers of English, have no trouble pronouncing the sound correctly. This particularly case involves a tricky phoneme cluster. Ironically, many of those who do pronounce the 'th' in clothes (and more power to them) decry "amn't" as unpronounceable for the same reason.

I just think (my own opinion) 'This That These Those' being pronounced by Irish kids would come out more like 'Dis Dat Dese Doze', unless they were making a concious effort to pronounce their 'T H's'.....

I grew up in England, but have lived here for 12years, and my accent is fcuked up. A hybrid of northern English/Limerick/Cork and Dublin (nobody can EVER guess where I'm from, which I love).When I lived in England, I pronounced the TH in a word. Now that my accent has changed, I subconsciously drop the TH from probably half the words I say, because that is generally the Irish way of speaking, and my accent has evolved to the accents I'm hearing spoke around me everyday.

Thomas828

Well, you'll always hear me pronounce it with the soft 'th' as in 'bother', 'feather' and 'there'.

Fart

"Th" as in "Oi Keef, where's the marshmallows?"

Fart

rainbowdrop wrote: »

This That These Those. That's the way the T h goes

Remember being taught this rhyme at a special school (in England) when our teacher was trying to encourage us to pronounce our 'T H's. Would have been an absolute nightmare trying to teach that to Irish school kids lol

It didn't work for me anyway... I say 'cloze'

FYP

Blisterman

I always thought the th was silent, like cloze.

I've been trying to say it out loud pronouncing the th, but I can't do it. The closest I san get is "cloats"

Is it actually possible to pronounce the word oath, preserving the th sound?

Sykk

brummytom wrote: »

I pronounce it 'cloves', but not much emphasis on the 'v'

Not bad in a hot whiskey

Caveat

rainbowdrop wrote: »

I just think (my own opinion) 'This That These Those' being pronounced by Irish kids would come out more like 'Dis Dat Dese Doze', unless they were making a concious effort to pronounce their 'T H's'.....

Well yes it probably would - for those who have trouble pronouncing TH that is. Which of course isn't everyone.

About the same amount as English people who pronounce TH as 'F' or 'V' I would say.

How about those (majority) of English people who don't pronounce the letter R at all?

Or those (practically all) who cannot distinguish, pronunciation wise, between Poor, pour and paw?

Abi

Blisterman wrote: »

I always thought the th was silent, like cloze.

I've been trying to say it out loud pronouncing the th, but I can't do it. The closest I san get is "cloats"

Its not a very strong 'th' sound, more of a flick of the tongue.

Is it actually possible to pronounce the word oath, preserving the th sound?

I re-read that sentence a couple of times wondering how you would avoid the 'th' in oath. But I get you now - as in 'oat'? :pac: I'd pronounce it with the 'th'.

Osgoodisgood

What's the problem?

Tricky or not, it is pronounced correctly with the "th" intact. If that proves too difficult then there are alternatives, sign language perhaps? The hearing impaired who have associated speech issues often augment their spoken words with appropriate signing. Maybe that would be worth considering?

OutlawPete

Abitar wrote: »

Actually, I'm from Dublin and I can't stand it when people don't pronounce their 'th's. Clothes is the only exception to the rule for me.

Tanks - thanks

Tink - think

Toh - thought


^^ Just sounds moronic to me.

Yup, or one your tend to hear all the time:

"Ya big tic ya.."

Not me mind, nobody would ever wish to address me with such disdain

3hn2givr7mx1sc

I say cloze, only poshies pronounce the 'th'.:cool:

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Abitar wrote: »

Actually, I'm from Dublin and I can't stand it when people don't pronounce their 'th's. Clothes is the only exception to the rule for me.

Tanks - thanks

Tink - think

Toh - thought


^^ Just sounds moronic to me.

Exaclty the way I pronounce those words.:o:p

aDeener

baz2009 wrote: »

I say cloze, only people who like to think they are poshies pronounce the 'th'.:cool:

fyp

Abi

OutlawPete wrote: »

Yup, or one your tend to hear all the time:

"Ya big tic ya.."

Not me mind, nobody would ever wish to address me with such disdain

I hate that one

Sentence needs moar bleedin'. "ya bleedin' tic ye" :pac:

baz2009 wrote: »

Exaclty the way I pronounce those words.:o:p

Ahhhh jasis howiye Baz

aDeener wrote: »

fyp

You dont have to be posh to know how to speak properly...

aDeener

Abitar wrote: »

I hate that one

Sentence needs moar bleedin'. "ya bleedin' tic ye" :pac:

Ahhhh jasis howiye Baz


You dont have to be posh to know how to speak properly...

i know thats why i said, people who like to think they are

Pittens

Tricky or not, it is pronounced correctly with the "th" intact. If that proves too difficult then there are alternatives, sign language perhaps? The hearing impaired who have associated speech issues often augment their spoken words with appropriate signing. Maybe that would be worth considering?

Acutally, as was pointed out in the thread earlier either is supposedly correct.

That said: dont think I have ever heard the th pronounced. It is not an Irish t(h)ing.

This is a computer attempt at British English, and at American English.

I cant hear it there.

can someone post someone obviously pronouncing the TH. or post themselves.

Pittens

Nominate Osgoodisgood to post his version.

Ickle Magoo

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "cloze" for clothes, or at least I haven't realised what they were talking about. The th is very soft and hardly accented at all when I say it but it's definitely there. :cool:

Pittens

I wonder if people think they are pronouncing it in their head. But are not.

Ickle Magoo

Pittens wrote: »

I wonder if people think they are pronouncing it in their head. But are not.

Yeah, that must be it - not that there are billions of english speakers in the world all with different dialects, accents and varying degrees of grips of the english language...

Pittens

not that there are billions of english speakers in the world all with different dialects, accents and varying degrees of grips of the english language...

Post one, then. I posted two computer voices prnouncing clothes - American and British, and the computer would try and mimic standard American or British English, the accents most likely to obey the rules. And both sounded like cloze. ( The British sounded a bit like clo'ze).

Ickle Magoo

Post a computer voice? (I just get a page saying "session expired" when I click on your links btw). How does that prove anything about human diction? I'd imagine "clothes" is one of those groups of sounds it is pretty difficult to replicate digitally.

When I speak, I say clothes-the "th" isn't very pronounced, at the roof of the mouth behind the teeth rather than between the teeth but it's still there. I'm not going to the bother of uploading it just to convince you that not everyone on the planet pronounces the word the same way you do...you'll just have to take my word for it.

chopperbyrne

Yes, but I speak with a Tallaght accent so most people probably hear it as a d and not th.