Library Notice- everyone PLEASE read this

allandanyways

Lurkers and boardsies and everyone in between, can everyone PLEASE take stock of this notice on the library website and pay heed to what they're asking students to do. Exams are approaching and I, for one, will be reporting every single arsehole who spends the day in the library having the "banter" and taking up space and causing noise.

That is all.

irish_goat

CnaG

*sigh* I really will have to replace my student card now. I've been sidling in when no-one was looking for the last week or so. Does anyone know how much it costs?

Rozabeez

20 euro.

Ian Beale

CnaG wrote: »

*sigh* I really will have to replace my student card now. I've been sidling in when no-one was looking for the last week or so. Does anyone know how much it costs?

Have an atm card? Make it look like your swiping it in and just walk through :pac:

Hammer Archer

Ian Beale wrote: »

Have an atm card? Make it look like your swiping it in and just walk through :pac:

I'm presuming they will actually have the automatic barriers working from next week, i.e. they'll only open when you swipe your card.

funky penguin

I think they've given up on that.

They really need those metal bars like in UCD. And barcode entry, not swipe card. which NEVER EVER works for me.

One also has to ask why these measures aren't enforced year round.

allandanyways

I just hope that they actually implement this and I don't have another one of the fiascos with the library staff about people talking as soon as they walked away. I want people warned and I want people fined. Might make people think twice about talking/whispering so loudly they may as well be talking about that hot randomer that they scored before totally vomming outside Mantra last night when they're supposed to be studying... or the arseholes playing games on their laptops and their friends crowding around laughing etc- to those people I say GO HOME AND DO THAT. I HATE YOU ALL.

irish_goat

allandanyways wrote: »

I just hope that they actually implement this and I don't have another one of the fiascos with the library staff about people talking as soon as they walked away. I want people warned and I want people fined. Might make people think twice about talking about that hot randomer that they scored before totally vomming outside Mantra last night.

No harm, but how do you expect to be able to work in the real world, say in an office, if you can't abide a bit of noise?

allandanyways

irish_goat wrote: »

No harm, but how do you expect to be able to work in the real world, say in an office, if you can't abide a bit of noise?

It's not that I can't abide noise in a normal enviroment, but in a place where 'SILENCE' is written on the feckin walls, you expect there to be silence. It's common sense and courtesy.

Apparently 'Silence' to a certain percentage of students in NUIM means 'Whisper as loudly as humanly possible and take up space while you arse around on facebook and do absolutely nothing'. Hopefully the Library will be strict in implementing this thingymabob.

Kiwi_knock

Sometimes the noisiest thing in the library can be the workers themselves. Am concentrating and then you hear the rolling of the cart and your train of thought is gone. However there are some people that are just so annoying in the library. Hopefully they will be severe in their compliance with these rules.

K4t

€20 fine seems slightly excessive to be honest...

If I'm sitting beside a friend on level two or three I'll often whisper over every so often to ask a question or something. No harm in my opnion. If I'm reported or warned for that I will be writing a strongly worded letter to the Print! However, I do agree that people whispering away constantly, whether it be work realated or about nights out, is unacceptable.

Liber8or

K4t wrote: »

€20 fine seems slightly excessive to be honest...

If I'm sitting beside a friend on level two or three I'll often whisper over every so often to ask a question or something. No harm in my opnion. If I'm reported or warned for that I will be writing a strongly worded letter to the Print! However, I do agree that people whispering away constantly, whether it be work realated or about nights out, is unacceptable.

How does one define a whisper of importance versus common banter? Other people, bothered by the whispering would not be able to discern one from the other.
Point being: You can't have exceptions. No whispering/noise/talking means exactly that, with emphasis on the no

Aurongroove

I think the idea is, If you want a study group (i.e. talking to people whilst reading books), do it on the ground floor. If you want to read in silence do it on the 2nd and 3rd floor.

The problem with quiet areas is that when you're quiet, noises are exaggerated, a sneeze is like a nuclear bomb, a page turn like a wave crashing and a librarian quietly putting a book in it’s place becomes a symphony of paper-slapping and rustling.
Use your common sence and don't be a loud idiot.

that said, the worst thing about some administrators of the rules is they sometimes expect a sign with several exclamation marks or a rude Cap lock letter to do the talking, or they make up an excessively harsh rule or law to hide behind in order to do their job, all seemingly to avoid the assertiveness and self courage needed to police or not those who are essentially "messers" or even those breaking the rules who don't realize they're making a mistake.

I don't think anyone would mind a quick question whispered to a librarian or fellow student in reference to reading material, but giggling at an internet mpeg or typing furiously on an internet forum is a stupid thing to do in an area designated for quiet reading and thought, like wise if a conversation is likely to strike up about the study material, take it to a louder area away from those quietly reading.

It should be the responsibility of those enforcing this 20euro fine, to use good Judgment when discerning students whispering a quick question, query or quickly turning off a phone which has begun ringing, sneezing etc, to those who are carelessly and genuinely upsetting other readers.

In those cases I would be more incline to either just simply tell them to be quiet face to face, advise them to take their laptop down stairs where they are free to chat/laugh/discuss matters, or just get out of the library then I would be to slap them with a fine. Maybe the warning of the fine can be a useful, but I really can't see a situation where someone would be stubborn enough to deserve a fairly warned yet still successful fine when all they have to do is go down stairs.
In fact If I had heard somebody was successfully fined I would be instantly suspicious of either a spiteful lack of warning from administration and/or a deafness to a reasonable explanation of the context in which one might’ve needed to whisper, quietly and briefly.

We

OP do you ever stfu, seriously..

funky penguin

Why do people think using abbreviations will mean their insults will be tolerated?

K4t

Liber8or wrote: »

How does one define a whisper of importance versus common banter? Other people, bothered by the whispering would not be able to discern one from the other.
Point being: You can't have exceptions. No whispering/noise/talking means exactly that, with emphasis on the no

Eh, that's ridiculous and you are deluded to think that it is a healthy working environment for the vast majority. Excessive noise, whispering etc should be punishable but you have to allow for some noise in a library.:)

We wrote: »

OP do you ever stfu, seriously..

All you needed was a :pac: and you might have got away with it!
No offence, Op, I'm sure you're lovely in real life:P

We

K4t wrote: »

All you needed was a :pac: and you might have got away with it!

Problem is, I dont want it to be interpreted as anything less than how I posted it. This isn't the first post the OP has made a thread about such trivial shíte..

Even the title of the thread with its 'everyone PLEASE read this' denotes a level of arrogance and self righteousness you would only expect from vegans and vigilantes.. There will always be some level of noise in the library, €20 fine or not, and I can honestly say I have never had any problem studying there.

A much simpler solution to the OP's problem would be for her to simply blast waves of white noise* through her ears and sit back as all noise is cancelled out, but I have a sneaking suspicion that to the OP, a reason to complain is a much more appealing option..



*takes about 20 mins to get used to, but after that its very helpful for blocking out noise =]

LeixlipRed

To be honest, if you want quiet, study at home in your bedroom.

funky penguin

I agree, no where is quieter in my opinion. But theres access to all those lovely books in the library.

allandanyways

LeixlipRed wrote: »

To be honest, if you want quiet, study at home in your bedroom.

Not an option to be honest, I get nothing done at home, it's too noisy and I don't have enough space.

And We- I'll "stfu" when other students "stfu". I don't like complaining. I actually hate it because then I get arseholes like you saying that I just "want a reason to complain", when that's not the truth. I complain because there are too many disrespectful students in NUIM who are wasting other people's time by acting the maggot.

I put up this notice because most people don't look at the stuff on the library website so maybe people would see it here. I can't study at home. It's too noisy and there's not enough space and it's just not a viable option. Some of my friends have children so they have even less chance of getting any work done at home, and like me, they expect to be able to study in the library. The fact is, people do talk excessively in the library, and when another student (like myself) asks if they could keep the noise down or take it outside because I'm trying to get work done, they get insults fired at them and the messing doesn't stop.

I thought it was just a certain majority of students in the college who were disrespectful, but obviously that's filtered onto boards now. Point of post was that I can't study at home, I'd like to be able to study in the library but it gets irritating asking people to be quiet and them not actually being quiet, so that's why people need to see the notice and know that the chatting and the arsing about won't be tolerated now. I wasn't complaining, I was pointing out something that was on the library website that has obviously come as a result of other people complaining.

I do apologise if my desire for students to respect other students comes across as complaining. We pay plenty of money one way or another to study at NUIM, I think we should be able to avail of the facilities without inconsiderate arseholes getting in the way.

Ian Beale

If you want total silence then buy ear plugs, fact is the library is to small for the current student numbers and during the day it's nearly impossible to find 2 empty seats on the ground floor if you need to study with another person and this just gets worse if there's more then 2 of you.
If they changed level 2 to allow whispering but no full volume talking and level 3 dead silence and actually enforced the rules that would be good, but as it stands with the ground floor far far to small this will continue to happen.

CnaG

Suggests:



It's what I'll be doing, once I get around to replacing the auld student card

Except obviously mine will be real ones.

alpha2010

relax

there only exams lol

peanuthead

OP what's the big deal about coffee? Like I don't understand it. Why not? Why water and not coffee? Until you explain why, I will consider this the stupidest rule ever. Water also destroys books you know. It's not like coffee stains burn the words off the page and I'm sure they wouldn't be spilled very regularly.

ScissorPaperRock

peanuthead wrote: »

OP what's the big deal about coffee? Like I don't understand it. Why not? Why water and not coffee? Until you explain why, I will consider this the stupidest rule ever. Water also destroys books you know. It's not like coffee stains burn the words off the page and I'm sure they wouldn't be spilled very regularly.

These aren't the OP's rules, they're the library's. From the OP's posts I gather that they're more concerned about noise than coffee. So I don't think the OP needs to justify it.

peanuthead

ScissorPaperRoc wrote: »

These aren't the OP's rules, they're the library's. From the OP's posts I gather that they're more concerned about noise than coffee. So I don't think the OP needs to justify it.

Well the OP doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do you're dead right there, but he is encouraging a 20euro fine for me if I'm found having a coffee while I study. So I want a good reason to back him up.

The noise thing I understand. The coffee I don't. And he has made himself their spokesperson by starting this thread so I feel I'm owed an explanation tbh

EDIT: My previous post was sort of tongue in cheek. After re-reading it it doesn't seem that way. I'm not really demanding an explanation like it sounds I am, rather I would LIKE one Good day.

Effluo

We wrote: »

Even the title of the thread with its 'everyone PLEASE read this' denotes a level of arrogance and self righteousness you would only expect from vegans and vigilantes..

lol
This is getting good

allandanyways wrote: »

Might make people think twice about talking/whispering so loudly they may as well be talking about that hot randomer that they scored before totally vomming outside Mantra last night when they're supposed to be studying... or the arseholes playing games on their laptops and their friends crowding around laughing etc

Oh Man those people are so young :eek: You'd think they were in college or something

No matter how much these people could do with growing up, I think you may also need to chill-out a bit. :cool:

Time to reflect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzRP7OKHcqQ

I also suffer with distractions for those few hours a year I try to study.

There'll never be complete silence anywhere, but I'm not gonna tell those devious culprits to stfu about it just because I'm extra sensitive to distraction.

I own a pair of these


When you have ear plugs on with them there is absolute and complete silence...

I would actually be interested to see how you fair in exams(with regards to noise). I say this because they are some of the noisiest places going! Way noisier than the library at any time(although I do have limited experience), Large echo'y rooms with 100's of people scribbling franticly, fiddling with utensils + turning pages. Not to mention the Examiners and "the sniffler" or worse snifflers.

In the exam you have to work through it. If you pay as much attention to your study as you would your exam, then I'm sure you could overcome poor Joe Bloggs and his mate JoeyJoeJoe McShabadoo...

And no-one would get fined and I wouldn't be typing this and i'd be in bed.

Goodnight

Miss Lockhart

Effluo wrote: »

I own a pair of these


When you have ear plugs on with them there is absolute and complete silence...

I find that great too, but would be mortified to wear them in the library - have you worn them in public?

allandanyways

Right lads, this is getting a bit ridiculous. I'm not the only person who can't study with incessant chatter, the Library is supposed to be a place of study. If you study better in a group, go study somewhere else. I put the notice up to highlight the new notice from the Library, that's all. I'm not their spokesperson, I just enjoy being able to study in a quiet enviroment.

I'm in my Final Year and I don't think it's fair that I and the majority of other students who like to study in silence should be interrupted and distracted by messers and time wasters.

I don't understand why highlighting the LIBRARY'S NOTICE (not mine) that talking etc is not allowed on the 2nd and 3rd floors has become such an issue. Are ye all really fond of chatting in the Library or something?!

LeixlipRed

No one isn't saying you're not right. But it's clear that you're getting extremely stressed over something that's really out of your control. The noise in the library is unacceptable but giving out on here won't make it disappear. Try earplugs or try finding somewhere quiet to study, maybe with weather being nice go somewhere in the grounds to get some quiet.