NCT and E on your tires

yop

Listening to "Talk to Joe" there today and woman on about how her tires failed the NCT due to no "E" Appearing on the tire.

I have my tires about 2 months and there is no sign of an E.

Any idea of what the hell she was on about?

If my tires don't have an E does that mean it will fail the NCT and that I will need to fork out again.

:mad:

Atomic Pineapple

The E means they meet the required criteria for being a safe tire, if there's no E then there likely to be a cheap non brand tire that dont meet the required regulations/criteria

Alun

See the pretty picture on page 37 of the latest version of the NCT Manual downloadable from the NCT website.

Hal1

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055878130

MONEY_MAKER

there is going to be alot of people who are going to be caught with this.

bog master

Good rule/law in theory, to prevent poorly made tyres into the market, or is it?

Who ends up paying, if they get "non e Stamped tyres"? Is it illegal to sell these tyres? Or does the poor, possibly ill informed, possibly ignorant, possibly shamelessly unaware consumer have to foot the bill?

GTE

You can find those E stamps (E marks I think they are usually called) on a few parts of the car.

Headlights are the only other one that I can think of off the top of my head. I think the glass on the car too.

I was going to get new headlights but was put off by cheap ones that didnt come with the E mark.

Lightbulbs too have them. The big no no about the LED bulbs is that none can get the E mark in anyway at the moment.

GTE

bog master wrote: »

Good rule/law in theory, to prevent poorly made tyres into the market, or is it?

Who ends up paying, if they get "non e Stamped tyres"? Is it illegal to sell these tyres? Or does the poor, possibly ill informed, possibly ignorant, possibly shamelessly unaware consumer have to foot the bill?

Crossover period? As in, since they are being sold now or in the last few months let the ones on the cars now run their course and ban the sale of them now.

During the crossover period drivers arent badly given out to or fined for having them but after that then yes (probably better that they have to keep proof of purchase so the guards can find who sells them to the people you speak of) . And anyone caught selling them from day one have to pay up. I wonder what to do with current stock though. .

bog master

bbk wrote: »

Crossover period? As in, since they are being sold now let the ones on the current cars run their course and bad the sale of them now.

During the crossover period drivers arent badly given out to or fined for having them but after that then yes. And anyone caught selling them from day one have to pay up. I wonder what to do with current stock though. .

Fine idea, BUT do you think those in power will implement it? Do you envisage anyone being prosecuted? And current stock, good question!

Again, who ends up paying, the consumer

Skyuser

yop

Thanks folks, good to get the NCT manual to see what I should be looking at!

zapata

This made the nine o clock news - Everyone PANIC!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0413/tyres.html

Yawns

Just ban them now and be done with it. When you fail the NCT you will never forget to check the new tyre has an E mark on it. It's not like they havn't been selling them before so anyone going to a good tyre dealer will more than likely be sold an E marked tyre. Anyone going looking for cheap as possible justto get by will be stung by this new NCT requirement and good enough if they are driving on rubbish.

Before people moan I know not all tyres without the E mark are rubbish and crap but let's face it, quite an awful good few are.

Joey the lips

Out of curiosity when did this legislation come out

Atlantic Dawn

Joey the lips wrote: »

Out of curiosity when did this legislation come out

1st April.

mike65

The E mark has been mandatory in the EU since 1997, quite why its suddenly raised its head now is weird.

Joey the lips

The reason i ask is I have 4 tyres on my 08 octavia. Am i covered under some warrenty...>?

Drummerboy08

Joey the lips wrote: »

The reason i ask is I have 4 tyres on my 08 octavia. Am i covered under some warrenty...>?

I have 4 tyres on my car too. Funny that.

rebel.ranter

If you purchased your tyres recently & you still have your receipt it was recommended on the news tonight that you go back to your supplier to get replacements. Not sure how much joy you'll get though.

Yawns

I would guess no. You would have to prove you didn't go and get the tyres changed yourself I would think?

My neighbour is always racing out his garden with his tyres squealing. Result is him having to change them more often. How would you go about proving you didn't drive like an idiot like my neighbour and went and got the tyres changed? You'd have a chance if it was on bought a couple of weeks maybe months ago or on good will.

Not saying you drive like a loon or anything and I could be way wrong on the warrenty and will stand corrected if somebody can shed light on it.

Joey the lips

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I have 4 tyres on my car too. Funny that.

Very funny. Obv you have not read all the story about the mark.

rebel.ranter wrote: »

If you purchased your tyres recently & you still have your receipt it was recommended on the news tonight that you go back to your supplier to get replacements. Not sure how much joy you'll get though.

no they are the original fitted tyres but milage is not high.

Tefral

Alot of people dont realise that the "E" mark is sometimes on the inside face of the tyre too (the side facing underneath the car) this is particularly the case with asymmetrical tyres and non directional tyres

So before ya go dumping all your tyres check this too

Kristopherus

Joey the lips wrote: »

The reason i ask is I have 4 tyres on my 08 octavia. Am i covered under some warrenty...>?

You are not due a NCT until 2012. I doubt any tyres woul last that long, so you have 2 years to get your E tyres. The wquestion of warranty will be well gone by then.

Max_Damage

More money making bollocks from the government. Failing you because you don't have a letter on your tyres, failing you becuase you don't have the Irish on your reg. plate, etc. Shower of money hungry cúnts.

Guy:Incognito

Max_Damage wrote: »

More money making bollocks from the government. Failing you because you don't have a letter on your tyres, failing you becuase you don't have the Irish on your reg. plate, etc. Shower of money hungry cúnts.

Yep, they dived on this as quick as possible to gain revenue.:rolleyes:

Rte article wrote:

Ireland is the last country in Europe to start testing cars for the 'E-mark'

Atlantic Dawn

What are the purpose of tyres with no E Mark, are they simply unrated for use on EU roads or are they not for road use in any part of the world?

emick

yop wrote: »

Listening to "Talk to Joe" there today and woman on about how her tires failed the NCT due to no "E" Appearing on the tire.

I have my tires about 2 months and there is no sign of an E.

Any idea of what the hell she was on about?

If my tires don't have an E does that mean it will fail the NCT and that I will need to fork out again.

:mad:

What brand are your tyres and where did you buy them? Dealership or Tyre shop?

slimjimmc

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What are the purpose of tyres with no E Mark, are they simply unrated for use on EU roads or are they not for road use in any part of the world?

The E-mark is a safety mark, it shows the tyre conforms to EU safety standards. A tyre without the mark has not been tested and certified that it meets a high level of safety. It's only a requirement within the EU, what standards non-EU countries use or don't use is up to themselves.

There have been rumours that the E-mark is only there to protect the European tyre manufacturers. That is not true, anybody can get the mark if their tyres are tested and shown to be up to scratch. I'd trust a tyre made in India with an E-mark a lot quicker than one made in France without it; at least I can trust it not to delaminate at 120kph after 6 mths.

That doesn't mean all unmarked tyres are bad, some may indeed be better, but that's not the point. The problem is that without the E-mark how is the public to know if its up to standard.

Everything relys on your tyres... braking, cornering, accelerating, straight line control. It would be fairly stupid for a vehicle test to continue ignoring them, now wouldn't it.

squod

People will need to organise 'swappies' to fit onto their car just to pass the NuCT. Then swap them back when the car is passed.

That's what I imagine will happen with many a 'failed' car.

baalthor

Checked my Dad's 00 Micra earlier ...

Results:

Slovakian tyre: E!
Korean Tyre: E!
Korean Tyre: E!
Chinese Tyre: No E! (unless it's on the inside ...)

Forgot to look at the spare ...

Yawns

he should really try to have the same tyre on each end of the car, just so it wears n tears at the same rate and has the same grip throughout the year

rebel.ranter

You could always draw on an "E" before the test.:D

cjt156

Max_Damage wrote: »

More money making bollocks from the government. Failing you because you don't have a letter on your tyres, failing you becuase you don't have the Irish on your reg. plate, etc. Shower of money hungry cúnts.

Its a visual fail for no E mark or incorrect licence plate and retest is free - so yeah, I reckon the government's coffers will be overflowing with this one...

Berty

The is an E mark which is for motor vehicles and their parts.

Their is a CE mark which is a European equivalent.

There is also a CE mark from China which means China Export, however, its made up and holds not basis for quality.

I would not be surprised is some low quality tyre factories have invested in a similar E mark to make their tyres appear legal.

OldmanMondeo

The "E" marks shows the tyres are designed for European conditions. Tyres are made for different regions, like DVD's. Anyone driving on non "E" marked tyres should get the changed ASAP, as your insurcance company may not pay out on any possible claims as these would technically not be considered road legal. All electrical products, toys etc must have a "CE" mark on them, selling of any product in the EC without this mark is illegal, I am presuming the same relates to the tyre industry.

mcwhirter

Surely tyres without the E should not be sold in Europe!

Where are these tyres coming from and if they have no E then the company fitting them should be fined.

OldmanMondeo

mcwhirter wrote: »

Surely tyres without the E should not be sold in Europe!

Where are these tyres coming from and if they have no E then the company fitting them should be fined.

From Cyberspace...

rebel.ranter

Here's an alternative answer:

http://www.steakbrandingirons.com/letter-e-mini-branding-iron.php

Make your mark with a letter E mini brand! This small branding iron is great for marking wood and leather. It easily heats with a lighter. Please note the length as this is not intended for your BBQ.

* 3 1/2" Long.
* The head of the brand is about the size of a dime.
* Made of quality stainless steel.
* Easily heated with a pocket lighter.
* Cleans with soap and water.

* Ships within 1 - 2 business days.

Let us know how you get on with it.

Max_Damage

mcwhirter wrote: »

Surely tyres without the E should not be sold in Europe!

Where are these tyres coming from and if they have no E then the company fitting them should be fined.

How's the weather on that high horse of yours?

mooman

I just had a look at my tires there and one of them doesn't have an E mark on it. I bought all 4 at the same time and their the same make. The NCT is due on it soon, any ideas where I'd stand with this. I'd surely get the benefit of the doubt that it was a minor defect on that tire would I?

peasant

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

The "E" marks shows the tyres are designed for European conditions. Tyres are made for different regions, like DVD's.

Naahh ...that's not true.

The E mark is the modern way of keeping out the competition in our new world of free trade.
Yes, it does describe a minimum safety standard, but it has nothing to do with driving in different regions.
Before the E mark for tyres, the DOT (US department of transport) mark was the universal "seal of quality" ...now the EU got in on the act and finally got their own mark.

Paulw

mooman wrote: »

I just had a look at my tires there and one of them doesn't have an E mark on it. I bought all 4 at the same time and their the same make. The NCT is due on it soon, any ideas where I'd stand with this. I'd surely get the benefit of the doubt that it was a minor defect on that tire would I?

Nope. All 4 tyres require the E.

But, in saying that, as has been already posted, the E may be on the inner side, depending on the tyres.

cjt156

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

From Cyberspace...

Not necessarily - I've bought E-marked tyres online and non-E-marked at bricks and mortar tyre fitters.

Gophur

It's actually illegal to PURCHASE non-E marked tyres for use on Irish road-vehicles.


Apparently not illegal to sell, so the buyer is the man/woman to blame.

mooman

Paulw wrote: »

Nope. All 4 tyres require the E.

But, in saying that, as has been already posted, the E may be on the inner side, depending on the tyres.

I really can't explain why it's not there. I bought them at the same time in the same place, their the same make, everything about them is the exact same but one is missing the mark

irishthump

Do these "New" regulations apply to DOE tests for vans and other commercials?

I would imagine it would, but just checking.....

JHMEG

I would think so. I'd also think it's hard to get non-E tyres as they've been in European law since 2001 or so.

ballinloughan

What happens if the 'E' is not clear on your tyre? Can they check a database of approved tires?

GTE

ballinloughan wrote: »

What happens if the 'E' is not clear on your tyre? Can they check a database of approved tires?

That would make sense.






So I doubt it.

Big J

The requirement for tyres to carry an E mark has been European law since 1997 but, this being Ireland, it has taken 13 years for it to become part of the NCT.

The RSA has a simple explanation about E marked tyres

http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Vehicles-and-Legislation/Vehicle-Standards/E-mark-on-tyres/

If you bought tyres since 1 April and they aren't E marked (and you have the receipt) go back and ask for E marked replacements or your money back. I'd say you are on pretty solid ground with SOGSOS as they won't pass the NCT and are therefore not fit for purpose for road use. Small claims if necessary.

If you bought non E marked tyres a year ago (before the consultation on introducing this to the NCT) you are probably stuffed.

Above all, if you are buying a car check the tyres are E marked unless you want the cost of replacing them. Almost anyone can do it, doesn't require a mechanic, just take a look at the round black bits.

ShadowHearth

right.... i just checked mine toyo T1Rs, isow to small circles which had E4 and e4 in them, is that it. I am asking as they look different from ones in the example pics i have seen...