Private speed cameras

ocokev

This was first mentioned in 2005.

When is it going to happen?

dirtydiesel

Never hopfully

mickdw

dirtydiesel wrote: »

Never hopfully

+1

Will be a complete money spinner & I imagine the cameras will be set up in the best money making location instead of greatest benefit to road safety.

dirtydiesel

mickdw wrote: »

+1

Will be a complete money spinner & I imagine the cameras will be set up in the best money making location instead of greatest benefit to road safety.

Exactly its gonna be treated as a business and whats the goal of a business? to make money..............

Berty

Take the clampers as a litmus test.

They lie in wait for you to go 1 second over the time.

The Gardai allow a certain number of KMs and more often than not they allow a little extra depending on the road conditions, time of day, amount of traffic. Ask any GTC member.

A private company will be ruthless and the chances of the County Cork incident will happen more often I'd say.

the_syco

10kmph over the speed limit on the motorway will happen, but not likely to be the cause of an accident.

10kmph over the speeed limit in a residential area will happen rarely, but would be more a concern, as it'll cause an accident.

Private speed cameras will set up shop on a motorway, and have fun.

OR, or, set up shop on a dual carraigeway. 10 years ago, you'd go through several different speeding zones on the duel carraigeway bypassing Lucan and Chapelizard.

The Nutty M

Thsi year they will be out for the first time,there before christmas the company that won the contract were advertising for mobile camera operators.It'll be good I think,might cop a few people on that they arent invincible.

The only thing I didnt like about it was the job is a salary plus bonuses,maybe it means the more people caught the bigger the wage packet at the end of the week,maybe it doesnt.Time will tell.

ocokev

Who won the contract and what experience do they have?

The Nutty M

Heres the link for the irish times article
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1120/breaking54.html

Trying to find the job offer,I'll get back to you if I find it.The company was based in Kerry from what I remember.

Jimmy Garlic

Well they are on the way now, 600 of them. The media is doing overtime to sell them to the public as "safety" cameras when in reality they are for the purpose of extorting money out of people. Go to the UK, extorting money is the name of the game and that is what speed cameras are erected for, nobody is under the illusion that they are put up for their safety. It has nothing whatsoever to do with safety. Government and the private contractors that will operate these cameras really care about your safety (lol)...... and the contents of your wallet.

furtzy

Cue the "Speed Cameras are Illegal" facebook campaign

vectra

Berty wrote: »

A private company will be ruthless and the chances of the County Cork incident will happen more often I'd say.

2 questions

1) what was the Cork County Incident??

2) supposing every driver in Ireland refused to pay any speeding fine for say the first 5kph over the limit.

What could they do?
Jail every driver in Ireland??
No room in the jails id say..
OR
Put everyone off the road??
Shooting themselves in the foot there.

LEIN

Will they be average speed cameras?

Atomic Pineapple

Roll out in October according to RTE news last night.

Tefral

Damo9090 wrote: »

Will they be average speed cameras?

No, however it appears average speed cameras are to be installed in the port tunnel

Jimmy Garlic

cronin_j wrote: »

No, however it appears average speed cameras are to be installed in the port tunnel

10 quid to use the damn thing and a fine if you go a few mph over the limit..
Nice little earner isn't it. Its like shooting fish in a barrel. I am sure the 600 greed cameras will be strategically placed along the best roads in the country, cha ching.

antomorro-sei

If there in big vans, you'll see them on the motorways anyway. So just slow down til you go past it?

jack presley

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

10 quid to use the damn thing and a fine if you go a few mph over the limit..
Nice little earner isn't it. Its like shooting fish in a barrel. I am sure the 600 greed cameras will be strategically placed along the best roads in the country, cha ching.

At least we'll know the locations, they're on garda.ie apparently.

As for the port tunnel, if you can't stick to the speed limit for the 5 or so km....

Atlantic Dawn

The average ones would actually stop speeders, the fixed ones will only stop idiots who don't have a sat nav with them listed.

cc

no problems with average cameras in tunnels, seen too many car chase movies to see what happens when it all goes wrong in a tunnel

robbie_998

Damo9090 wrote: »

Will they be average speed cameras?

Yeah need to use up the rest of my cling film :pac:

I wonder if people kept vandalizing them enough would they be taken down / deactivated because it'd cost to much to repair / replace them all the time

Lauder

robbie_998 wrote: »

Yeah need to use up the rest of my cling film :pac:

I wonder if people kept vandalizing them enough would they be taken down / deactivated because it'd cost to much to repair / replace them all the time

Im sure its worth a try. You wont have much trouble finding volunteers.


One thing is, once their up and sat navs are updated we will know where they are and be able to avoid them.

mondeo

It will be easy to get them loaded on a satnav for free to give the existance of them.

Davidth88

You know I truly don't have a problem with cameras place in the RIGHT places, not in places where it's basically a revenue earner

Please place them 300m either side of every school and playground that is on a through road.

Place them where accidents happen , or rather look at why the accidents happen and see if the road can be improved first ( don't place a stupid accident black spot note up )then put them up.

However , these are run by a private company , I assume for profit , so expect to see them , on downhill stretches of open dual carrageway, on wide open single carrageway where there are no turnings, you know the places I mean.

I listened to some woman prattling on about ' safety ' cameras grrrrr.

ART6

The cameras are intended to ensure that traffic moves at safe speeds. OK, but who decides what constitutes a safe speed? Perhaps the dipsticks who decide that a new, modern dual carriageway with a concrete barrier central reservation and no access or exits other than at roundabouts should have a 60 kph limit? The Guards have already had fun with that one.

The rural road I live beside has an 80 kph limit right through the village. The road has a number of potholes that are up to a foot deep and those have already caused accidents and vehicle damage. No-one seems to be at all interested in doing anything about that. They would rather spend the money on speed cameras. For me that says it all.:mad:

thebiglad

Saw a bike Garda doing speed checks on Naas Road outbound (before Red Cow) - he was leaning around a hoarding, only wearing his black leather (i.e. no yellow vest) and bike was parked out of view.

Don't tell me that they want people to know where the speed traps are and not get caught.

Besides that, how many fatal crashes etc have there been on that section of road, the motorists/pedestrians/cyclists are kept well apart.

Tefral

Think ill just mount my front number plate on a Hinge, so in the off chance that i creep over the limit going down hill or something ill be covered.

I'll support the installation of cameras on some of this countries backroads, as some of the roads are too dangerous to do the speed some people do on them..

However once i see them cropping up on motorways then ill be less than pleased...

Atomic Pineapple

mondeo wrote: »

It will be easy to get them loaded on a satnav for free to give the existance of them.

They will be mobile cameras that will be moved around, not fixed installations

KamiKazi

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The average ones would actually stop speeders, the fixed ones will only stop idiots who don't have a sat nav with them listed.

Yes because only idiots would dare take to the roads without the aid of a SatNav to guide them!! Jesus Christ, did your mummy hold your hand before the invention of SatNav? :rolleyes:



And hopefully we'll see these be vandalized so much that the company just rolls over and dies.

Guy:Incognito

ART6 wrote: »

The rural road I live beside has an 80 kph limit right through the village. The road has a number of potholes that are up to a foot deep and those have already caused accidents and vehicle damage. No-one seems to be at all interested in doing anything about that. They would rather spend the money on speed cameras. For me that says it all.:mad:

Your local council look after that. You cant just pick something government funded and give out about it saying they should fix your road instead. You may as well go to the hospital and ask the triage nurse to sort the road for you.

thebiglad wrote: »

Saw a bike Garda doing speed checks on Naas Road outbound (before Red Cow) - he was leaning around a hoarding, only wearing his black leather (i.e. no yellow vest) and bike was parked out of view.

Don't tell me that they want people to know where the speed traps are and not get caught.

Besides that, how many fatal crashes etc have there been on that section of road, the motorists/pedestrians/cyclists are kept well apart.

The locations are listed on the Garda site.

The Naas road arguement has been doen to death.

On the Red Cow side there are loads of businesses that let out directly on to the road, as well as bs stops and perfectly good pedestrian access to the road if the feel like wanderign on to it.

On the other side there are businesses too as well as pedestrian crossings where people have been hit and which a frequent user of the road that was giving out about the speed traps didnt know the location of.

cronin_j wrote: »

I'll support the installation of cameras on some of this countries backroads, as some of the roads are too dangerous to do the speed some people do on them..

But yet these roads are safe enough to stick a camera on?

Have you seen what idiot drivers do when the see a camera or anyone in a visi vest? They jam on, even when they are under the limit. A huge amount of people I see do this. Cameras on dodgy rural roads would cause more crashes. Theres a reason no country has them.

ART6

Stekelly wrote: »

Your local council look after that. You cant just pick something government funded and give out about it saying they should fix your road instead. You may as well go to the hospital and ask the triage nurse to sort the road for you.

With respect to you as a serious poster in this forum, I simply don't follow your reasoning. Where does the funding for the LAs come from? The taxpayer (and a large lump from the motorists as that is where the annual car tax goes). The government argue for speed cameras to reduce the accident rate. They don't argue for road maintenance to reduce accident rates with anything like the same enthusiasm. They are concerned about road safety but only in so far as it generates funds rather than using them.

To counter my comment by suggesting I might as well ask a triage nurse to fix the road is facile, frankly (although I might as well ask her as any of the muddling idiots we laughingly call a government or LA). I pay my taxes in the expectation of having safe roads to drive upon. The government pays some of that to the LAs to maintain those roads. It also intends to employ a large sum of that on speed cameras that "will be self financing through income from fines". There is a direct audit trail surely? For me there is also a very clear reasoning in all of this and it is fundamentally dishonest. But what more should we expect?

Absurdum

There were lines painted across the 4 lanes on the M50 NB between J4 and J3 (where the old camera was located) overnight, they must be putting in new cameras there. Statistically, I'd say this is probably the safest road in the country.

ShiresV2

Absurdum wrote: »

There were lines painted across the 4 lanes on the M50 NB between J4 and J3 (where the old camera was located) overnight, they must be putting in new cameras there. Statistically, I'd say this is probably the safest road in the country.

Can I see your statistics please?

I don't have any statistics handy meself, but I'd say the M50 is the most dangerous piece of motorway in the state. Ring roads are lunatic places.

Atlantic Dawn

KamiKazi wrote: »

Yes because only idiots would dare take to the roads without the aid of a SatNav to guide them!! Jesus Christ, did your mummy hold your hand before the invention of SatNav? :rolleyes:

If you are a speeder when the cameras are dotted around the country unless you want to have a copy of the Ordnance Survey maps on your knee with a little pin where every speed camera in the country is a SatNav is the way ahead, unless again you are a idiot.

Sandwlch

ART6 wrote: »

The government argue for speed cameras to reduce the accident rate. They don't argue for road maintenance to reduce accident rates with anything like the same enthusiasm. They are concerned about road safety but only in so far as it generates funds rather than using them.

Which is the good thing to do and nice that they are doing the sensible thing for a change. Much better to improve road safety while also increasing revenue, rather than spending money to do so. Better to achieve an aim by having transgressors pay for it rather than general taxpayers money.

KamiKazi

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If you are a speeder when the cameras are dotted around the country unless you want to have a copy of the Ordnance Survey maps on your knee with a little pin where every speed camera in the country is a SatNav is the way ahead, unless again you are a idiot.

I suppose your wonderful satnav has the location of all the handheld speed cameras too yea?

Oh, and who is driving while you play with your satnav?

Absurdum

ShiresV2 wrote: »

Can I see your statistics please?

I don't have any statistics handy meself, but I'd say the M50 is the most dangerous piece of motorway in the state. Ring roads are lunatic places.

Road deaths per KM traveled on the M50 are extremely low. Therefore it is not the most dangerous piece of motorway in the state.

Saab Ed

I hear on the grapevine that the contract has been awarded to supply 50 (Renault Master) vans for use as mobile speed units. Expect roll out over the next 6 months in drips and drabs.

C Eng

Saab Ed wrote: »

I hear on the grapevine that the contract has been awarded to supply 50 (Renault Master) vans for use as mobile speed units. Expect roll out over the next 6 months in drips and drabs.

50:eek: Vans. Looks like we have no chance against that many camera's. Any idea if they will be hi vizability or discreet vans what colours they will be.

Any other features you might come across may be useful;)

101sean

Any good speed camera database also have known mobile sites, the best is on www.pocketgps.com, need the international one for Ireland, it's updated weekly.

Be interesting to see how the vans are marked, many in the UK are obvious but some authorities are getting sneaky and they could pass for builders vans. They have sometimes been embarrassed by being reported for illegally parking or obstruction, one of the funniest was a van stuck up to the axles on a soft verge it shouldn't have been on in the first place.

ShiresV2

Absurdum wrote: »

Road deaths per KM traveled on the M50 are extremely low. Therefore it is not the most dangerous piece of motorway in the state.

Source please? I'm genuinely interested in this kind of information, in part given the conflicted story that the RSA is feeding the public. Thanks.

HavingCrack

Stekelly wrote: »

Have you seen what idiot drivers do when the see a camera or anyone in a visi vest? They jam on, even when they are under the limit. A huge amount of people I see do this. Cameras on dodgy rural roads would cause more crashes. Theres a reason no country has them.

This doesn't sound true to me. Do you have any statistics or research to back up this claim???

Del2005

ShiresV2 wrote: »

Source please? I'm genuinely interested in this kind of information, in part given the conflicted story that the RSA is feeding the public. Thanks.

If you go to this section of the RSA site you can zoom into any road and see the amount of collisions. The M50 has loads of minor collisions but very few serious or fatal compared to the rest of Dublin.

Considering that about 1/3 of our population lives in or close to Dublin the amount of serious/fatal collisions are about the same as some places with very little population.

ART6

Sandwlch wrote: »

Which is the good thing to do and nice that they are doing the sensible thing for a change. Much better to improve road safety while also increasing revenue, rather than spending money to do so. Better to achieve an aim by having transgressors pay for it rather than general taxpayers money.

But the transgressors are only paying for the speed cameras, not for road maintenance.

C Eng wrote: »

50:eek: Vans. Looks like we have no chance against that many camera's. Any idea if they will be hi vizability or discreet vans what colours they will be.

Any other features you might come across may be useful;)

101sean wrote: »

Any good speed camera database also have known mobile sites, the best is on www.pocketgps.com, need the international one for Ireland, it's updated weekly.

Be interesting to see how the vans are marked, many in the UK are obvious but some authorities are getting sneaky and they could pass for builders vans. They have sometimes been embarrassed by being reported for illegally parking or obstruction, one of the funniest was a van stuck up to the axles on a soft verge it shouldn't have been on in the first place.

When the speed camera policy was first announced the government stated that some would be fully visible and warned of in advance while some would be "covert". That suggests to me that while your satnav or web site might tell you where the exposed cameras are they won't tell you where the covert ones are -- or they wouldn't be covert?

pa990

Does anyone know what type of system will be used in the private speed vans .

Ie. Gatso, Multanova, Robot. Etc.
And will it be radar or laser.
And if radar, will it be K or Ka.

Lando Griffin

Lando has no problem with speed cameras at all. They can put as many as they want around the country and it wont affect Lando and this is why.

1. Before there were motorways in Ireland people were stuck behind slurry spreaders, tractors OAPs, L ers etc; and a 80km journey could take 1 ½ - 2 hours. Now that we have motorways we can all go 120kmph safely, if that’s not fast enough for you then off you go.
2. On the national routes, which Lando travells more frequent; you can easily pass a tractor its only going 40kmph, and one always get a few seconds of straight road here or there. In towns and villages the speed limit 50kmph, fast enough for everyone, it only takes one child cycling out on the road or one idiot pulling out of their drive to cause an accident.
3. While on these country roads, if Lando is doing 100kmph and you pass me out, no doubt 5 or 6 kilometres later you will be sat only a few meters away in traffic in the next village.

So speed away, Lando dont care, Lando is not going to have any penalty points or fines, and will always be at Landos destination on time.
So as you can see LAndo is not too worried about anyone else getting penalty points or fines.

Lando.

101sean

You can usually spot a covert camera van as you pass it hidden behind a sign or whatever, just not see it on the approach. Pocketgps relies on users to report locations (you get a lifetime subscription if a new location is verified), it is reckoned to be the most accurate and up to date, a lot of police drivers use it in the UK.

tommyhaas

Whats the story legally with these speed camera detectors. I know a few people in the North have them but understood the're illegal down here to use, but not to have. Can anyone clarify this?

I.S.T.

tommyhaas wrote: »

Whats the story legally with these speed camera detectors. I know a few people in the North have them but understood the're illegal down here to use, but not to have. Can anyone clarify this?

Yes detectors are illegal to use. You will be done if a Guard finds one in your car even if you are not using it.

I.S.T.

ShiresV2 wrote: »

Can I see your statistics please?

I don't have any statistics handy meself, but I'd say the M50 is the most dangerous piece of motorway in the state. Ring roads are lunatic places.

You are wrong. The M50, and motorways in general are the safest roads in the country.

You can probably get all the statistics you need from the RSA Road Collision Facts reports, available from the RSA website. You will find the rate of fatal or serious injury accidents on motorways are extremely low.

KamiKazi

Given that they are privately operated, what would be the consequences of let's say, running up and spray painting the window on the van black?

Am I right in saying that all they can do is pursue you with a civil case for the cost of damages?