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N81 - Hollywood Cross to Tallaght [delayed until after 2027]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Much of the N81 looks suitable for online upgrade, apart from the houses on it of course. Fairly straight alignment, few roads connecting to it, few geographical obstructions. The main settlements obviously need offline bypassing but good portions could conceivably be built online. Ironically, some of the people complaining about the delay in this scheme are probably living in houses which are preventing a much quicker, cheaper and more environmentally friendly road upgrade.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Much of the N81 looks suitable for online upgrade, apart from the houses on it of course. Fairly straight alignment, few roads connecting to it, few geographical obstructions. The main settlements obviously need offline bypassing but good portions could conceivably be built online. Ironically, some of the people complaining about the delay in this scheme are probably living in houses which are preventing a much quicker, cheaper and less environmentally friendly road upgrade.
    The route north of Blessington will likely be a 2+2. Unless it's an offline alignment, 2+2 on a existing road isn't cost effective with all the CPO and access diversions. The section south of Blessington which is planned to be SC will likely be realigned if possible.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The group unhappy with this are to meet Shane Ross on the issue

    http://kfmradio.com/news/11052018-1157/meeting-stalled-n81-grades-secured-transport-minister


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭larryone




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Meeting with N81 action group and Minister Ross set for June 13th to ask him to put the N81 upgrade back on the agenda.

    Anyone know where Simon Harris stands on this? Or is only a small part of the N81 actually in his constituency?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Anyone know where Simon Harris stands on this? Or is only a small part of the N81 actually in his constituency?


    I would estimate the majority of the N81 is in his constituency, Wicklow covers a portion of Carlow also.


    http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/ireland.pdf


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    http://wicklownews.net/2018/06/strong-delegation-meets-minister-for-transport-to-push-for-funding-for-the-n81-upgrade-scheme/

    The funding required for the above work of project appraisal is approximately €25k, going by precedent set in relation to other schemes nationwide.

    If this scheme gets reactivated in this manner, I hope other councils are awake and watching to this.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://kfmradio.com/news/13082018-1253/listen-transport-minister-attending-meeting-stalled-n81-grade-today

    Fair play to all involved in continuing to push this issue. They are an example to the rest of the country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Was there any outcome with the meeting with the Minister?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭larryone


    https://www.facebook.com/n81upgrade/

    "The Minister later admitted on August 13, 2018 that in fact, the upgrade plans for the N81 were abandoned, and should the upgrade be considered in the future, it would be back to the drawing board, and consultations would start from scratch."


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,626 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    There have been no significant improvements to the N81 since the 1980s. The route has suffered decades of under-investment as those who travel it regularly will know only too well.

    In the late 1980s there were plans to extend the Tallaght bypass DC to the Embankment but these plans never materialised. Also, as Blessington has grown hugely since then the town really needs a bypass. South of Blessington the N81 needs realignment and widening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,929 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Leave it as it is, any improvements will destroy the area.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    It's a real pity this scheme wasn't given statutory footing in the 2016-2035 GDA Transport Strategy, but it seems TII are firmly fixed on getting the NP/TEN-T network upto scratch this side of 2030 and working on national secondaries thereafter. Major upgrades on the N59/N71/N81 have been deferred.

    However, some works will take place on the N81 south of Hollywood Cross before then. First is the N81 Knockroe scheme just south of Hollywood and further realignments are planned at Tuckmill, Hangmans Bend, Irishtown and Whitestown Lower.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The N81 should be made into an alternative route into Dublin to reduce load on the N7. Turn the M7/M9 split into a 4-way junction and build DC from there to Blessington and continue to Tallaght.

    Any traffic heading to Lucan, Clondalkin, Citywest or Rathcoole could use this route and the Outer Ring, taking pressure off the N7. Not appropriate for traffic heading to the M50 though as the slow parts of the N81 past the Square would be overwhelmed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I believe this road is starting next month as RPS are currently looking for an RE team for the next 18 months


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    roadmaster wrote: »
    I believe this road is starting next month as RPS are currently looking for an RE team for the next 18 months


    https://joinrps.com/showJob.aspx?j=5411&s=lp


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    That's for the 1km N81 Knockroe realignment unfortunately lads


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    marno21 wrote: »
    That's for the 1km N81 Knockroe realignment unfortunately lads


    Yeah. Seems like a fairly long time for one bend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Ah Jesus got over excited, 12 to 15 months seams a little long for 1km


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    marno21 wrote: »

    At this rate Only for housing and development a lot of machinery would be parked up


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    That's a pity, but at the very least they should be doing the West Tallaght part, from Outer Ring Road junction to west of Mount Seskin.

    That part was the entire original scheme back in the early 2000s.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    It will be 20 years at least before this is done. Which is shameful given that every other main route into Dublin is now motorway or dual carriageway


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Supertoucher


    N81 features twice in Gamma Location Intelligence report - "most dangerous major road segment in each county" for Wicklow and Carlow:


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new-data-reveals-irelands-most-dangerous-stretches-of-road-952570.html



    But still not worthy of attention for at least another 8 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Pretty shoddy alright. I wrote to Shane Ross about it who then said the TII have responsibility and forwarded my letter to them. Got a reply a few weeks later from some fonctionnaire they just sent me back a generic copy and paste letter saying road funding allocation is done on need and they didnt address any of the points that I had made in the letter. Dont know why I bothered, a complete waste of time.

    On another point the works done on the N81 south of Blessington to Baltinglass have in a way made the road feel more dangerous than before- the new surface is excellent so it feels like people are driving at even higher speeds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    It will be 20 years at least before this is done. Which is shameful given that every other main route into Dublin is now motorway or dual carriageway

    At the current rate of roads “progress” 20 years is wildly optimistic sadly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    road_high wrote: »
    At the current rate of roads “progress” 20 years is wildly optimistic sadly.

    Its maddening that they had all the planning and assessments done and then they just throw that work out the door and it will have to be done all over again in years to come.

    Its a crazy road, you've long sections of 100kmh limits with cars coming out of dozens of minor roads mixing with cars doing the limit. Then you've all the quarries along the road with tons of slow moving construction lorries trying to join the fast flow of traffic. On top of that a good few of the crossroads along the route have awful sightlines, it is a recipte for disaster and more lives will be lost because of government inertia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Supertoucher




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,615 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Very sad, RIP.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭larryone


    I emailed a Wicklow TD with regard to this:

    __________________________________________________________________________
    John, a chara,

    I am writing to you because I know that you have been outspoken about the N81 upgrade situation, and there was something that I was thinking about recently with regard to it.

    <some personal bits redacted>

    However, the angle that I was thinking about recently might be one that could be more appealing to the current Minister for Transport.
    Because the road from Hollywood to Tallaght was a part of the 1998 Tour De France, it has been popular as a cycling route.
    While other arguments of the benefits of the upgrade have been stated time and again, I'm not sure if the possibility of promoting the current road (after an upgrade replaces large sections of it) as a safer cycling facility has gotten much air time.
    The current mixture of bikes and the sand/gravel trucks is something that would hold back the potential for what could be a hugely popular cycling route.
    The sections of the 1998 Tour route really do showcase some of the most amazing parts of Wicklow, but I feel that the danger of the N81 to cyclists makes this part of the county fairly treacherous for those who would like to explore it by bike.
    I think there could be some great tourism potential in this, as well as great for promoting cycling in general, which I know the Minister for Transport has an interest in.

    I think that the way the N81 scheme was viewed by the previous minister was problematic, with it being seen through the lens of economic return on investment rather than improvements for public safety.
    I think his successor might be more persuadable in that regard, and that cycling safety could be part of a convincing argument in favour of including this upgrade in the NDP.
    I do understand that a Green Minister for Transport is less likely to be all for plastering the country with more roads for cars, but I'd imagine the potential of what could be done with the old road in a post-upgrade scenario might help to nudge the balance of judgement on this in favour of inclusion.

    Would you be able to let me know your thoughts on this?

    Le meas,
    __________________________________________________________________________


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