[US/IRL] 6x11 - "Happily Ever After" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Sad Professor

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Episode Title: "Happily Ever After"
Airdate: April 6th 2010

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Desmond wakes up to discover he's back on the island.

Next New Episode: 6x11 - April 13th 2010

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qwertplaywert

9

About to watch it now, really,really been looking forward to this!

Gitb1

9

I challenge ANYONE to argue that this flash sideways was filler/boring/distracting from the main story!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

9

well that was interesting.

the two realities are definitely linked in some way, I was hoping for more in the way of answers but this episode game me a real feeling of turning point..ness. Feels like from this point on, ****'s gonna start happening at more of a pace.

Ellouise (sp?) knew the flashsideways wasn't 'real' for want of a better term, wtf was that about. She mentioned that Desmond had what he wanted, the good job, whitmores respect, etc.. is that reality some kind of wish fullfilment?

Also, why didn't sayid kill tina fey if he's all dead inside and can't feel feelings any more?

Sad Professor

7

Not sure what to think about that episode. I wish they'd gone a little further. Still, at least something is f**king happening in the sideways.

Anyway, in a nutshell:

- Hawking knows!

- Desmond looks brain damaged.

- Love is the key to everything? Eh, yeah, whatever. Beats "God did it" I suppose.

- I guess this means Nadia isn't Sayid's true love, that leaves Shannon, who wasn't on the plane. Naveen will be happy, I'm not sure about anyone else.

- The hobbit seems to have forgotten how to play Charlie.

- the bomb DID cause the sideways - thank god, we can abandon all those other stupid theories.

- Oh that thud was the sound of my own we've-seen-the-sideways-before-theory going out the window.

opr

8

LOST at its very best!

Opr

waltersobchak

9

That was phenomenal.. Kind of reminded me of the Constant and was certainly as a good of an episode

leggo

8

Great episode.

Nothing more to say yet. But I'd just like to note my pride that, perhaps for the first time ever, I got a Lost prediction right! Woo!

DarrenMSP

8

Very good, 9/10. My only issue is they have to take it further now seen we only have a couple of episodes left. Looking on Lostpedia, so much is going to be left unexplained if they continue to beat around the bush (Remember Ben's childhood friend Annie!? Where is Vincent, or did Rose and Bernard end up in the 1970's for good after the bomb for that matter?!)

Great to see the flashsideways are been linked in and weren't just a filler, they did seem to be going that way. Think we all knew Desmond would be the key to that though.

Not one for the love stories in Lost, think they are bit boring at best of times, but Pen and Des always hold my interest. The scene with them in the stadium was really good with great acting.

The scene with Sayid was great - "We need to go now"; "Aye, of course".

recylingbin

awesome awesome awesome.

gustavo

9

Well that was just brilliant,All falling into place now

"I just need to show them something" Great line to end it

Bob Z

7

do you think widmore is telling the truth?

darrenh

8

"See ya in another life brother"

Another piece of evidence that they haven't being making it up as they go along, or maybe its just coincidence!

Good episode. I'm puzzled why Desmond went with Sayid so easy? Is it because Sayid was with him for the Constant and he might understand what he's just been trough again?

I was and early critic of the sideways but started to realize that they had to have some meaning. I mean, the writers were hardly that bad that they came up with an amazing show like LOST and then in the last season through in a load of filler. I should have known better!

I really hope the original timeline is the real one. Thats what we've all invested in over the years.

SimpleLogic

9

Sad Professor wrote: »

- Desmond looks brain damaged.

darrenh wrote: »

Good episode. I'm puzzled why Desmond went with Sayid so easy? Is it because Sayid was with him for the Constant and he might understand what he's just been trough again?

I think the two Desmond personalities switched when Desmond was in the electromagnetic thing.

The Desmond who seeks Whitmore's approval is on the Island. While the Penny loving Desmond is off the Island. This was the reason he wasnt argueing anymore with Whitmore anymore, I dont think he is brain dead. Also I think he went with Sayid as he realised he didnt have a choice, as soon as he can, he will get back to Whitmore.

Probably wrong but this was initial thought.

tok9

8

That was class! It seemed so short.

Charlie putting his hand on the window, Faraday cameo, Minikowski cameo, revisiting the stadium.. some nice moments there.

How the hell does Eloise seem to know everything? When it comes to questions I usually just like to theorize them but this is one that needs to be answered imo. Fair enough you could say Faraday's book helped her in the original timeline but she knows the world they live in the ALT isn't quite right or something.

Has Desmond changed something by meeting Penny? He came back after touching her.

And that was definitely one of the best endings to an episode in all of Lost.

"I just need to show them something"

Agamemnon

8

Great episode, looking now like Des will be sacrificed somehow to stop the evil under the island being released, while alt-Des will get to live happily ever after with Penny. Seeing as maybe Sawyer and Juliet will also get to live on together in the alt timeline, it's now looking like Des and Sawyer will die in the original timeline. With the flash-sideways, the writers get the best of both worlds: they can have the drama of killing off central characters as well as the satisfaction of giving them happy endings.

Good to see that Charles Widmore knows how to pronounce "schedule" as well.

homerun_homer

7

I don't think Des switched midnsets in the timelines. Why would he ask for the passenger manifest if he knew the 815ers on island and spent over 3 years with knowledge of the Oceanic 6?
I think his mind in both timelines has been opened to something we don't know yet, like he's been given a vast amount of knowledge as to what's going on. It's like Hawking, she always knows what's going on but how is that.. The answers better be good.

Good episode, this is the one people needed to be comparing to the Constant for obvious reasons, not Ab Aeterno.

The guy

6

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

Also, why didn't sayid kill tina fey if he's all dead inside and can't feel feelings any more?

She's a central character now, it is too much to kill her.

homerun_homer wrote: »

I don't think Des switched midnsets in the timelines. Why would he ask for the passenger manifest if he knew the 815ers on island and spent over 3 years with knowledge of the Oceanic 6?
I think his mind in both timelines has been opened to something we don't know yet, like he's been given a vast amount of knowledge as to what's going on. It's like Hawking, she always knows what's going on but how is that.. The answers better be good.

Good episode, this is the one people needed to be comparing to the Constant for obvious reasons, not Ab Aeterno.

When was it ever made out that he remembered everything about his life, it seemed that his only knowledge of the original timeline came from his flashsideways of penny to the original island, otherwise he seems to have no memory of it, if he did wouldn't he have recognised charlie to begin with?

Anyway, I'm not sure what I think about the alt timeline because it's just more plot twists when they could work on tying up things in the original timeline as they have about five episodes left and it seems like the alt timeline is just there to correct itself like in Donnie Darko.

The episode itself was good though.

silsean

7

I liked:
The scales painting in Widmores office.
Desmonds scottish sláinte.

But i didn't like the fools in the boat. They shouldnt have just spectated they should have helped desmond get charlie out of the water.

A Neurotic

8

Brilliant. This over Ab Aeterno any day.

Aldebaran

9

Great episode but is it just me or is Lost starting to have a bit of a Matrix feel to it?

All these people living in a 'fake' world and now Des is gonna do a Morpheus on it and give them a choice between continuing to live in this world or following him into the 'real' world. When he was talking to Charlie in the bar he did emphasise the importance of choice.

So maybe Des is going to visit each character in the flashsideways and offer them this choice? Just a thought.

darrenh

8

Will those who want to return to the real timeline have to die in the sideways?

If so how would Locke return as he's already dead?

Just a thought by the way. I dont expect the answers here!

jimbling

8

Fantastic episode. 9/10.

Only downside was the overbearing love stuff. I don't mind the love stories so much, its more that I dont think they should link "The Feeling" with love. Hopefully that will only be the case for those two.

jimbling

8

Agamemnon wrote: »

Great episode, looking now like Des will be sacrificed somehow to stop the evil under the island being released, while alt-Des will get to live happily ever after with Penny.

I dont think this is the case. I would say the alt-timeline will be everyones fate or no-ones fate. One of the timelines has to be removed somehow.
The only logical things I can think of is:
1) Something like a "Wake-Up" in the matrix as someone else mentioned. This is obviously hinted towards by the ending. I think this will lead to 2 becoming possible.
2) Time-Travel, prevent the alt-timeline from happening. I think this will coincide with the stopping of MIB.

jimbling

8

tok9 wrote: »

How the hell does Eloise seem to know everything? When it comes to questions I usually just like to theorize them but this is one that needs to be answered imo. Fair enough you could say Faraday's book helped her in the original timeline but she knows the world they live in the ALT isn't quite right or something.

We found this out in this episode and you're demanding the answer already?? Be patient, it'll come.

FreudianSlippers

7

EVERYONE IS A WIDMORE!?

lol

Sad Professor

7

Aldebaran wrote: »

Great episode but is it just me or is Lost starting to have a bit of a Matrix feel to it?

Yeah but The Matrix was influenced by stories and myths far older than itself. The idea of the hero being forced to choose between two worlds, even at the sacrifice of his own happiness, is a classic part of the hero's journey. The Matrix (and perhaps Lost) just did it literally.

I really like the idea that the Sideways represent an abandonment of the Losties true purpose. And that in the end they will choose to sacrifice their Sideways existence in order to return to the island and set things right there.

maneatingcow

9

It's the lost that i missed and loved ...10/10

[-0-]

9

This was great - the writers were correct when they tweeted "Conversations will change next week"

Aldebaran

9

Just saw this over on Lostpedia. Didn't notice it at all myself. Widmore's fancy new painting:

Dempsey

8

Sad Professor wrote: »

Not sure what to think about that episode. I wish they'd gone a little further. Still, at least something is f**king happening in the sideways.

Anyway, in a nutshell:

- Hawking knows!

- Desmond looks brain damaged.

- Love is the key to everything? Eh, yeah, whatever. Beats "God did it" I suppose.

- I guess this means Nadia isn't Sayid's true love, that leaves Shannon, who wasn't on the plane. Naveen will be happy, I'm not sure about anyone else.

- The hobbit seems to have forgotten how to play Charlie.

- the bomb DID cause the sideways - thank god, we can abandon all those other stupid theories.

- Oh that thud was the sound of my own we've-seen-the-sideways-before-theory going out the window.

I twigged that one when Flocke first "offered" Sayid his true love back. I first thought of Shannon whilst most other people were thinking Nadia (could still be wrong though)

I've been giving every episode 6's and 7's so far, that got a 9 from me. We were all waiting for the alt-timeline to show its link to the original timeline and this is the episode where the audience now has a reason to care to about whats happening there

In the hospital, I felt the doctor kept answering Desmond's question as if Charlie didnt exist and it was all in his head which would make no sense but as pointed out, Desmond's brain is wired up differently.

I'm wondering what could be on the manifest that is so important to the story, is it something to prove Daniel's quantum mechanics?

Very strange that Desmond just went with Sayid without question. It looked like he knew what was about to happen from his expression.

How the hell did Widmore know about the alt timeline and why is it important to deal with it.

alt-Daniel thinks that the original timeline is the one that they should be living but he has been initially wrong about his own equations before, i.e he should have been focusing on the variables, not the constants etc.

In both timelines, Desmond now has Widmore's approval and he's found Penny. Charlie could still find Claire etc., its looks to me like the alt timeline is the one that should survive e.g. Daniel gets to follow his dream, music and so does other people.

Anyways I'll stop typing whats popping into my head and go watch the episode again :pac:

jimbling

8

Just thinking about this:
I have a feeling the alt-timeline will have to go. The Island being under water is the sign really. If the Island is all important and is required to "save the world", then surely in the flash sideways the evil is out and about?
Perhaps it just hasn't hit home yet.... perhaps MiB is going to get an episode soon enough where he begins to do his work in the Flash Sideways??

Handsome Bob

I got a few head aches from this episode;

I don't like the idea that Eloise some how inexplicably knows that the alt time line is just that, an alt timeline. That being said they made it clear enough why Eloise was so against Desmond seeing the list. The last time we saw Eloise she was bemoaning the destruction Widmore had caused to her life, whereas in the alt time line her son is still alive and she is living a privileged life. She knew letting Des see the list would instigate a sequence of events that would probably destroy the alt timeline.

It was a tricky episode, and one that you can't really rate until you view it with the context of the entire season. I mean they could use this episode as a platform for a strong end to the series or they could use it as a platform to get ridiculously convoluted. It could go either way, so I'm not going to rate this episode until I know more.

Daysha

One of those "good but could have been better" type of episodes if I was to be honest. It certainly wasn't in the the same catagory as The Constant or Ab Aerteno, but I agree that looking back when it's all over it's probably going to be one of the most pivotal episodes in the series.

I just thought the execution wasn't all there. Take the Des/Charlie sub-plot for example. I know they were trying to create some sort of setting where Des would have to rescue Charlie underwater and make him remember the "Not Pennys Boat" stuff, but they didn't need to waste 10-15 minutes building up to it.

jimbling

8

Sad Professor wrote: »

- Love is the key to everything? Eh, yeah, whatever. Beats "God did it" I suppose.

I don't think Love is the key...just happens to be for those characters as its a person they feel strongly about in the other timeline. Strong "Feelings" is what will get through. But I guess that will be love in a lot of cases.... but at the end of the day, its similar to a constant.

Dempsey wrote: »

I twigged that one when Flocke first "offered" Sayid his true love back. I first thought of Shannon whilst most other people were thinking Nadia (could still be wrong though)

I think it will come to just not matter.... I doubt anything MiB offered is real. It might be true, but you wont get what you expected... something along the lines of bedazzled

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm wondering what could be on the manifest that is so important to the story, is it something to prove Daniel's quantum mechanics?

What's on the manifest? The names of the passengers on the flight.
It even gets cleared up when George asks him what for and Desmond states "I have to show them something". i.e. he has to wake them up to the reality.

Dempsey wrote: »

Very strange that Desmond just went with Sayid without question. It looked like he knew what was about to happen from his expression.

Ya, it almost looked like he wanted to go with him.... but it could just be the case that he knew there was very little choice. I doubt you'd argue with a guy who just snapped your captors neck like a twig.

Dempsey wrote: »

How the hell did Widmore know about the alt timeline and why is it important to deal with it.

Up to this point we dont even know that he does. He may still think Desmond can kill/stop MiB due to his ability to survive the electromagnetic force or whatever.
Not saying he doesn't, but it hasnt' been said.
Why is it important....think that's clear now and said theorized in previous posts.

Note: Perhaps when you said Widmore, you meant Eloise Hawking. You'd be correct as she's widmore in the alt, but its a little confusing.... use Hawking for her.

Dempsey wrote: »

In both timelines, Desmond now has Widmore's approval and he's found Penny. Charlie could still find Claire etc., its looks to me like the alt timeline is the one that should survive e.g. Daniel gets to follow his dream, music and so does other people.

What about poor Sun? She just got shot in the gut remember.
I reckon things just haven't gone that sour for some of the characters....... yet.

jimbling

8

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I got a few head aches from this episode;

I don't like the idea that Eloise some how inexplicably knows that the alt time line is just that, an alt timeline. That being said they made it clear enough why Eloise was so against Desmond seeing the list. The last time we saw Eloise she was bemoaning the destruction Widmore had caused to her life, whereas in the alt time line her son is still alive and she is living a privileged life. She knew letting Des see the list would instigate a sequence of events that would probably destroy the alt timeline.

Come on, Eloise has been put up there as one of the main string pullers. She has always known more than majority of other characters. She was the one who got Desmond to the island, she got the 6 back to the island etc etc. I just dont think it's that much of a surprise that Eloise knows a bit about whats going on. And it's certainly not more inexplicable than anything else in the show.

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It was a tricky episode, and one that you can't really rate until you view it with the context of the entire season. I mean they could use this episode as a platform for a strong end to the series or they could use it as a platform to get ridiculously convoluted. It could go either way, so I'm not going to rate this episode until I know more.

Ah that's cheating.... you can't base an episode rating on future episodes surely

Dempsey

8

jimbling wrote: »

I think it will come to just not matter.... I doubt anything MiB offered is real. It might be true, but you wont get what you expected... something along the lines of bedazzled

Thats what I'm thinking, his true love could be a metaphor from killing people! :pac:


What's on the manifest? The names of the passengers on the flight.
It even gets cleared up when George asks him what for and Desmond states "I have to show them something". i.e. he has to wake them up to the reality.

I was thinking off on a tangent earlier, ignore me!. But why does he that that he has to wake up the other passengers? Why not Charles Widmore or George and everyone else.

Ya, it almost looked like he wanted to go with him.... but it could just be the case that he knew there was very little choice. I doubt you'd argue with a guy who just snapped your captors neck like a twig.

Yea but you wouldnt be smiling from ear to ear!

Up to this point we dont even know that he does. He may still think Desmond can kill/stop MiB due to his ability to survive the electromagnetic force or whatever.

Yea, Widmore believes that another electromagnetic explosion is needed as a failsafe/main objective for what they are trying to do. It didnt do anything to MiB previously so its not to destroy him but maybe let desmond's conscience jump between both timelines?

Not saying he doesn't, but it hasnt' been said.
Why is it important....think that's clear now and said theorized in previous posts.

I forget tbh, I dunno how I've forgotten but I have!

Note: Perhaps when you said Widmore, you meant Eloise Hawking. You'd be correct as she's widmore in the alt, but its a little confusing.... use Hawking for her.

No, when I say Widmore, I refer to Charlies. I wouldnt want to down the road of confusing people like that!


What about poor Sun? She just got shot in the gut remember.
I reckon things just haven't gone that sour for some of the characters....... yet.

Shot in the stomach, she's pregnant but it isn't Jin's child as he is infertile off the island. Most likely Sun will loose the child but survive and live happily ever after with Jin imo.

Everyone seems to be getting what they want in the alt time line, yea they suffer abit but its certainly a better life than in the original timeline imo

jimbling

8

Dempsey wrote: »

Shot in the stomach, she's pregnant but it isn't Jin's child as he is infertile off the island. Most likely Sun will loose the child but survive and live happily ever after with Jin imo.

Firstly, getting shot in the stomach is not a good result...i.e. its one of the worse places to get shot I believe.

Secondly, it's been taken that the child is Jins in the alt timeline for a few reasons:
1) Sun can't speak English, therefore she never got the english lessons, therefore she never met the guy she had an affair with*.
2) They seem much happier together in the alt timeline, didn't look like she was having an affair
3) Sun and Jin are not married in the alt timeline. It's a secret affiar that Paik is trying to kill Jin for. I doubt, even if sun survives that they'll live a happy ever after.
So, it's assumed that Jacobs influence or whatever in the other timeline led to Jin being infertile.


*Edit: As I was re-reading that I got a flashback. The guy she had an affair with was not just her english teacher. Wasn't he a guy she met on an arranged date or something? So perhaps she did still meet him actually. I read the above in last weeks episode thread and took it for granted.

Dempsey wrote: »

Everyone seems to be getting what they want in the alt time line, yea they suffer abit but its certainly a better life than in the original timeline imo

It's just a matter of time.

Dempsey

8

jimbling wrote: »

Firstly, getting shot in the stomach is not a good result...i.e. its one of the worse places to get shot I believe.

Secondly, it's been taken that the child is Jins in the alt timeline for a few reasons:
1) Sun can't speak English, therefore she never got the english lessons, therefore she never met the guy she had an affair with*.
2) They seem much happier together in the alt timeline, didn't look like she was having an affair
3) Sun and Jin are not married in the alt timeline. It's a secret affiar that Paik is trying to kill Jin for. I doubt, even if sun survives that they'll live a happy ever after.
So, it's assumed that Jacobs influence or whatever in the other timeline led to Jin being infertile.


*Edit: As I was re-reading that I got a flashback. The guy she had an affair with was not just her english teacher. Wasn't he a guy she met on an arranged date or something? So perhaps she did still meet him actually. I read the above in last weeks episode thread and took it for granted.

Yea, the stomach is suppose to be the most painful place to get shot because your muscles in your abdominal wall still move involuntarily when you breathe, doesnt mean that you have no chance of survival.

Jacob touched Sawyer and he isnt infertile as he has a daughter, Clementine.

Yea, that guy was an arranged date by Sun's mother/parents. In the alt timeline, it is clear that her parents interfere more with who he sees and doesnt. Remember that Jin made a point about finding out whether the kid was his or not in the original timeline, I think that question will be run again when they show Sun in hospital.

Handsome Bob

jimbling wrote: »

Come on, Eloise has been put up there as one of the main string pullers. She has always known more than majority of other characters. She was the one who got Desmond to the island, she got the 6 back to the island etc etc. I just dont think it's that much of a surprise that Eloise knows a bit about whats going on. And it's certainly not more inexplicable than anything else in the show.

That was all in the original timeline. What makes Eloise so special that not only is she aware of the original time line, but that she's also aware of what would happen if Des got into contact with Penny? It just seems like a convenient plot device to get the ball rolling in the alt time line.

Ah that's cheating.... you can't base an episode rating on future episodes surely

I don't really like rating Lost on an episode to episode basis anyway.

jimbling

8

LZ5by5 wrote: »

That was all in the original timeline. What makes Eloise so special that not only is she aware of the original time line, but that she's also aware of what would happen if Des got into contact with Penny? It just seems like a convenient plot device to get the ball rolling in the alt time line.

lol, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

jimbling

8

Dempsey wrote: »

Yea, the stomach is suppose to be the most painful place to get shot because your muscles in your abdominal wall still move involuntarily when you breathe, doesnt mean that you have no chance of survival.

meh, either way, alls not hunky dorey as you say.

Dempsey wrote: »

Jacob touched Sawyer and he isnt infertile as he has a daughter, Clementine.

I wasn't saying that because Jacob toughed Jin he became infertile, just that it could have been something to do with Jacob in there lives. Jacob didnt effect everyone the same way.

Dempsey wrote: »

Yea, that guy was an arranged date by Sun's mother/parents. In the alt timeline, it is clear that her parents interfere more with who he sees and doesnt. Remember that Jin made a point about finding out whether the kid was his or not in the original timeline, I think that question will be run again when they show Sun in hospital.

meh, this is all unimportant me thinks. I doubt they're going to make a big deal out of the Jin / Sun affair baby thing again.

Dempsey

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jimbling wrote: »

meh, this is all unimportant me thinks. I doubt they're going to make a big deal out of the Jin / Sun affair baby thing again.

Hopefully :pac:

But I can imagine Desmond going to Jack first to 'wake him up' ( he had the cut on the neck and the appendix question so he's definately ripe for questioning everything) and he coincidentally runs into Jin, Sun & Sayid and they all get a dose of deja vu.

A Neurotic

8

I don't understand why the others in the sideways timeline haven't already "felt it".

If Claire and and Charlier could trigger "awakenings" in Charlie and Des, respectively, then why haven't Sawyer/Kate, Jin/Sun, Sayid/Jin, Jack/Locke done the same to each other?

Bob Z

7

LZ5by5 wrote: »

That was all in the original timeline. What makes Eloise so special that not only is she aware of the original time line, but that she's also aware of what would happen if Des got into contact with Penny? It just seems like a convenient plot device to get the ball rolling in the alt time line.

She might have really said that i think desmond just heard it or maybe she meant something different than what we(and desmond) took from it

jimbling

8

A Neurotic wrote: »

I don't understand why the others in the sideways timeline haven't already "felt it".

If Claire and and Charlier could trigger "awakenings" in Charlie and Des, respectively, then why haven't Sawyer/Kate, Jin/Sun, Sayid/Jin, Jack/Locke done the same to each other?

I would say they have in some sense. There's been a glimmer of recognition numerous times in the flash sideways already this season.

But for the full blown realisation...... for both Charlie and Desmond that came during a near death type situation. Not sure does that mean desmond have to go around hanging people of buildings to "show them" though

don ramo

9

class, how is it that desmond epsiodes never dissapoint,

id say if any love interests survive the island it will be penny and desmond they are destined to be together,

id say desmond went with sayid as he knows he has to, sure widmore told him hed have to sacrifice something, but is it his life, his conciousness, or another thing hell have to sacrifice,

i think thats what this episode was about the timing of saving as much as possible, desmond couldnt meet penny till a certain time which eloise seemed to know, but seeing as the plan was moved forward in the alt-timeline, desmond seemed to push it and somehow having some awareness of what was happening and meet penny just at the right time, maybe now she will be his constant,

also id say sayid left tiny fey (i love it that others also thought she looks remarkably like her) live so she could let widmore know whats happening,


a solid 10 outta 10, best episode this season,

sky88

that was definatley the best episode of the series again counts to my own theory that the only good episodes are when sawyer and desmond are in them the most

opr

8

Is it true that their is actual information on how its going to finish that has been leaked ? I am just wondering as if its true I will have to stay away from even these threads as the risk of some idiot posting it or even trying to play it off as his own theory is too great.

Opr

anotherlostie

8

Enjoyed this. Going to watch again later. I think that's more relevant that a nominal score - you might not think it is perfect, but you still want to see it again to dissect the content further.

Good to see Eloise back - from her first appearance in the jewellers with Desmond, she has always given the air of knowing more than everyone else (despite FF admitting she has never watched the show!), so I still accept her in this role here. I would have liked to have learned a little more about the Widmores' history - did they meet on the island, or was it just fate.

I got that Penny's surname was Milton (Paradise Lost/ Regained, anyone?), but was she acknowledged as Charles' daughter anywhere? I was watching early today so may have missed that.

darrenh

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opr wrote: »

Is it true that their is actual information on how its going to finish that has been leaked ? I am just wondering as if its true I will have to stay away from even these threads as the risk of some idiot posting it or even trying to play it off as his own theory is too great.

Opr

If it's true maybe we need a theory ban for the next few weeks! Probably impossible because people speculate all the time but maybe it's better for the 'greater good'!

Can we get a Theories Only thread?