'90-'00's Cars

I Was VB

Well to look at the average lifespan of cars is about 10 years, there already is alot of cars that are becoming thin on the ground in this age bracket. Mostly for mecanical reasons or just the cost of running.

What would you like to see saved from the scrapper? And yea there will be a few you'd be glad to see the back of.

Few of 'em i've noticed that are becoming scarce.

Alfa 156 (pre 00 reg)
Nissan Maxima's
Fiat Punto MK1
Fiat Bravo / Brava
Ford Escorts
Ford Focus (pre 00 reg)
Opel Astra (pre 00 reg)
Mazda 323
Mercedes W124/W210

Suppose its the natural progression of things.

carchaeologist

MK1 Mondeos are getting scarce too,and any kind of Ford Granada.
Come to think of it,MK2 Mondeos arent so common either.

BrianD3

90 series Corollas (1987-1992) have gotten a lot less common in the last couple of years. It's inevitable that numbers would reduce but they seem to have dropped below a critical mass now. I would now perceive them as "uncommon"

There was a survey on older cars spotted on octane.ie in 2007 and many/most of the cars spotted then have probably been scrapped in the meantime.

mike65

w124 should not be lumped in with the w210! One is already a modern minor classic the other is a dogs breakfast.

corktina

my escort will be around for at least two more years...

VolvoMan

mike65 wrote: »

w124 should not be lumped in with the w210! One is already a modern minor classic the other is a dogs breakfast.

Later 124's did suffer from some similar quality issues to the 210 though, such as rust protection.

Gary ITR

mike65 wrote: »

w124 should not be lumped in with the w210! One is already a modern minor classic the other is a dogs breakfast.

I take offence to that, I feed my dog much better than that

quenching

I picked up this W124 estate (S124) a few weeks ago, didn't even consider a W210, although I'm told if you find a non-rusty one they're OK.

Seweryn

quenching wrote: »

I picked up this W124 estate (S124) a few weeks ago, didn't even consider a W210, although I'm told if you find a non-rusty one they're OK.

Congratulations... Where did you get it? Is it a Diesel?

Saab Ed

Where have all the ....

Isuzu Geminis
Daihatsu Charades
Mk III Fiestas
Mk I Vectras
Fiat Unos ( they were everywhere, although I did see one just today )
Renault 19s
Fiat Tipos
Mazda 323fs (with the pop up lamps)

.......Gone?

A nice R19 16 valve would be a rare bird now as would an Uno turbo.

VolvoMan

Saab Ed wrote: »

Where have all the ....

Isuzu Geminis
Daihatsu Charades
Mk III Fiestas
Mk I Vectras
Fiat Unos ( they were everywhere, although I did see one just today )
Renault 19s
Fiat Tipos
Mazda 323fs (with the pop up lamps)

.......Gone?

A nice R19 16 valve would be a rare bird now as would an Uno turbo.

I'd say the NCT killed off a lot of the early examples of them.

mondeo

Saab Ed wrote: »

Where have all the ....

Isuzu Geminis
Daihatsu Charades
Mk III Fiestas
Mk I Vectras
Fiat Unos ( they were everywhere, although I did see one just today )
Renault 19s
Fiat Tipos
Mazda 323fs (with the pop up lamps)

.......Gone?

A nice R19 16 valve would be a rare bird now as would an Uno turbo.

I had 2 Mazda 323 F's with pop up lights 10 or 12 years back. Have not seen one in years myself either..Cracking cars:D

Cars I never see on the road anymore,
Ford Sierra's
Vectra MK1's
Nissan Bluebirds
Rover 600's, 800's
Mazda 626's of all generations
Ford Mondeo MK1
Ford escorts

Fishtits

Where have all the Carina E's gone? they were ten a penny but seemed to have disappeared.

(miserable excuse for a car IMHO anyway... good for sod all except rear passenger leg room.)

VolvoMan

Fishtits wrote: »

Where have all the Carina E's gone? they were ten a penny but seemed to have disappeared.

(miserable excuse for a car IMHO anyway... good for sod all except rear passenger leg room.)

The only people who were really still driving them were taxi drivers. Now with the new regulations brought in, I reckon there will be a further decline in the amount we see. Over the past 2-3 years the presence of JDM Camry taxis in the city centre have become less and less I have also noticed.

A few cars that have become increasingly rare these days are the early Phase 1 versions of the Volvo S40/V40 and Volvo 850's in general. As mentioned above as well, the likes of the very first of the W210's seem to be declining on our roads majorly, which is hardly surprising due to the overall poor quality of them as a car.

seanybiker

mondeo wrote: »

I had 2 Mazda 323 F's with pop up lights 10 or 12 years back. Have not seen one in years myself either..Cracking cars:D

Cars I never see on the road anymore,
Ford Sierra's
Vectra MK1's
Nissan Bluebirds
Rover 600's, 800's
Mazda 626's of all generations
Ford Mondeo MK1
Ford escorts

Fella that drinks in my local has an immaculate bluebird. He uses it every day and the thing is spotless. He wont sell it to me

I Was VB

VolvoMan wrote: »

The only people who were really still driving them were taxi drivers. Now with the new regulations brought in, I reckon there will be a further decline in the amount we see. Over the past 2-3 years the presence of JDM Camry taxis in the city centre have become less and less I have also noticed.

Cant bare to sell my beloved Carina E. She still gets a weekly wash and drive tho!

shawnee

Yeah that is a lovely 124 quenching, mind you I doubted very much that it is a diesel !!! but you can let us know:D Problem with most diesel 124s is that they have a million miles on the clock and mostly on Irish roads and are wrecked. I recently bought a 210 Merc 220 cdi, now while I readily admit that they do not have the quality and built of a 124, It does have 150bhp ,loads of zip and is really economical in these times of rising fuel costs, so it compliments my 123 which drinks petrol on its occasional run, can't have both ways !!!!:D:D:D

peasant

VolvoMan wrote: »

I'd say the NCT killed off a lot of the early examples of them.

..and the celtic tiger devoured the rest (and replaced them with 316 Beemers)

I did my bit for W124s, bought one in Connemara that was off the road over a year and needed some TLC, cleaned her up and did a few bits and bobs and got her NCTd. She should motor away for the guy that bought her off me 'till the next NCT no probs.

Pre 00s are quite rare now, only last week I was walking into work and there was only the odd car in the carpark pre 99. The Tipo has been a rare site for 5 to 7 years now I reckon.

I'm picking up a 1993 E34 estate tomorrow all going well

quenching

shawnee wrote: »

Yeah that is a lovely 124 quenching, mind you I doubted very much that it is a diesel !!! but you can let us know:D Problem with most diesel 124s is that they have a million miles on the clock and mostly on Irish roads and are wrecked. I recently bought a 210 Merc 220 cdi, now while I readily admit that they do not have the quality and built of a 124, It does have 150bhp ,loads of zip and is really economical in these times of rising fuel costs, so it compliments my 123 which drinks petrol on its occasional run, can't have both ways !!!!:D:D:D

Good assumption! 2.2 petrol with 200k+ but seems to have plenty of life left yet. I needed something with 7 seats and this ticked that box with the extra row in the boot. It was cheap and needed a few minor jobs doing and some tyres but other than that its in good nick. The older petrol Mercs do like a bit of petrol but my mileage is low enough that its not a major concern.

Blue850

I saw a tidy 1990 Mazda 626 on the road yesterday, remember some of them had 4 wheel steering?

mike65

Wasn't there a Honda Prelude with that feature?

Seweryn

quenching wrote: »

Good assumption! 2.2 petrol with 200k+ but seems to have plenty of life left yet. I needed something with 7 seats and this ticked that box with the extra row in the boot. It was cheap and needed a few minor jobs doing and some tyres but other than that its in good nick. The older petrol Mercs do like a bit of petrol but my mileage is low enough that its not a major concern.

I used to drive the same model and my E220 did 30.5 mpg on total average. The M111 is an excellent engine, however I don't like the way it sounds. The E300 Twin Cam 24V Diesel (after I got later) sounds a lot better. I sold it in December with 161k miles on the clock, so it is possible to find a low mileage one, but anyway mileage in this car is only a number on the speedometer and wouldn't bother me. Now I drive another 124T 250TD Diesel and she has covered approximately 440k km and the car is fine...

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

Wasn't there a Honda Prelude with that feature?

Yep, the Celica from 1990 to 1994 also had a 4ws version.

Max_Damage

I have one of the first Escort mk6's. There is still a good lot of them on the roads. The mk5 (90-95) though are uber rare, especially the early ones. In fact, I've seen more mk4's recently than mk5's! Also, early Micra k11 are becoming rare too, and the k10's are quite rare now.

carchaeologist

Saw this on another forum and i think its quite relevent to this thread as something similar will happen/is happening right now here,quite an eye opener if its true..


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1263548/Now-did-say-left-car-The-28m-backlog-perfectly-driveable-vehicles-waiting-SCRAPPED.html

Saab Ed

Jesus there's a Fiat Coupe at the bottom of that Pic :eek:



....and an early 5 series over on the top right hand corner. At least the stuff I've sent to the scrap heap has been all sh!te so far.

shawnee

I suppose what has really taken most of the older cars away in this country is the deplorable roads. I agree that 200k on a good quality car is not huge mileage on the engine, however the Irish roads/potholes does wreck these cars. In many cases the cost of repair has been too high and motorists have gone for the easy option and bought the newer models. However enthusiasts love to see these cars on the road and I always admire a pre 00 that has been looked after !!:D

carchaeologist

I guess the simple answer here is its easier to stick a car on finance for five years and have a warrenty for most of it than try and keep an older yoke going through NCTs and the like. Most people see a car just as a disposable item like a fridge or a microwave.
I remember in the last scheme,my uncle got a good few RWD Starlets and turned them into stockcars,a few of the cars were absolutely minty clean. And my local scrapyard was chock full of good stuff.
A real pity.
Same thing is happening now.all the good cars get scrapped by people who have the money to look after them in the first place,and money to afford a new car,thats why the scheme isnt a good idea,it only gets rid of roadworthy cars!!! They all have to be tested when they are scrapped. All the "polluting old bangers" that are being scrapped now are the new supposedly super clean cars that were bought during the last scheme!!!! FFS!!!

VolvoMan

The number standing idly on the runway has swelled to around 14,000 as mechanics struggle to cope with the popularity of the Government's scrappage scheme, which ended last week.

That's 14,000 idiots counted so far in the UK anyway.

carchaeologist

I wonder why they are left like that on the runway and not taken to various scrapyards,seems strange?

Andrew33

I Was VB wrote: »

Well to look at the average lifespan of cars is about 10 years, there already is alot of cars that are becoming thin on the ground in this age bracket. Mostly for mecanical reasons or just the cost of running.

What would you like to see saved from the scrapper? And yea there will be a few you'd be glad to see the back of.

Few of 'em i've noticed that are becoming scarce.

Alfa 156 (pre 00 reg)
Nissan Maxima's
Fiat Punto MK1
Fiat Bravo / Brava
Ford Escorts
Ford Focus (pre 00 reg)
Opel Astra (pre 00 reg)
Mazda 323
Mercedes W124/W210

Suppose its the natural progression of things.

Not one of these deserve salvation! they're becoming scarce for a reason, they're all crap! FFS, why not start a thread titled "which clapped out washing machine/dishwasher would you like to keep in your kitchen" Grrrrr!

Andrew33

Andrew33 wrote: »

Not one of these deserve salvation! they're becoming scarce for a reason, they're all crap! FFS, why not start a thread titled "which clapped out washing machine/dishwasher would you like to keep in your kitchen" Grrrrr!

Maxima's and 124s are crap ? Isn't the 2.0 in the Maxima an award winner, W124s go forever. They are hardly crap tbh.

Max_Damage

Suffice to say Andrew33 knows nothing about cars.

unkel

Max_Damage wrote: »

Suffice to say Andrew33 knows nothing about cars.

Let's play the ball and not the man. I'll kick-off: has anyone ever been in a car that has driven a million kilometres and if so, which car was it?

Me: yes, once and it was a W124 250d

I Was VB

Max_Damage wrote: »

Suffice to say Andrew33 knows nothing about cars.

You'd be right if memory serves me he drives a beige estate....

....skoda.

Seweryn

unkel wrote: »

Let's play the ball and not the man. I'll kick-off: has anyone ever been in a car that has driven a million kilometres and if so, which car was it?

Me: yes, once and it was a W124 250d

Me: yes, not once and it was a W124 300d and a W124 200TD

Mileage means almost nothing to them .

Andrew33

RoverJames wrote: »

Maxima's and 124s are crap ? Isn't the 2.0 in the Maxima an award winner, W124s go forever. They are hardly crap tbh.

As I said in another thread, awards mean diddly squat,
Fiats Regatta was a "car of the year" way back when. Plenty of crap has won awards, BMW's 4cyl diesel engines are developing a bit of a rep for unreliability yet was an award winner. W124 was probably one of the best in its day but the world has moved on.

Max_Damage

W124's (and 123's) are FAR superior to any modern Mercedes. They were made from heavy duty parts and their lack of complex electronics meant anyone could fix them in their drive way. Andrew33: Have you driven any of the other cars in the op's list? As mentioned before, I have an Escort and it's a very reliable car with good fuel mileage too.

no1beemerfan

Saab Ed wrote: »

A nice R19 16 valve would be a rare bird now as would an Uno turbo.

My father got a 19 back in 1989 when they came out. You never see a mk II now never mind a mk I.



What amazes me is if you go to France for example you'll still see plenty of 80's and 90's cars. None of "my number plate needs updating" rubbish.

Blue850

Andrew33 wrote: »

As I said in another thread, awards mean diddly squat,
Fiats Regatta was a "car of the year" way back when.

no it wasn't

Max_Damage

As another poster said, in France there is load of 80's cars still on the roads there. It's the same sort of thing in America and Oz, you still even see cars from the 70's on the roads there.

lepoatnam

no1beemerfan wrote: »

My father got a 19 back in 1989 when they came out. You never see a mk II now never mind a mk I.

I know where there is a 96 R19. In fairly good nick too and not being used, but not parked under a bush either.

1948Wolseley

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Didnt the maxima have that really nice supercharged 2.0 petrol engine that won engine of the year multiple times?

Mine doesn't. The 2.0 is a pretty good engine, but it's certainly not quick.

W123-80's

My old man is still ploughing away in a 1994 Toyota Corolla 2.0 Diesel. 220k miles on the clock.
It is possibly the most durable piece of machinery I have come across. It seems impossible kill it!
He bought himself a D4D Avensis a couple of years ago ('05 plate) and I have a sneaky suspicion that both he and my mother prefer the old Corolla!!
Its been jackknifed with a cattle trailer on the back, flipped on to its roof into a field by my brother (He's fine) and been in more scrapes and battles then I care to remember.
It looks awful in terms of dents and scrapes and the inside is none to clean either. (No rust though). I always collect my GF in it to annoy her..!! (She prefers the nice & clean Avensis)
It has been serviced regularly however and anything major that was ever broke was replaced immediately.
It currently returns an average of 55mpg and burns absolutely no oil. It is as reliable as the day my dad purchased it. He picked it up in 1999 from a neighbour who had it from new with 57k on the clock.

There is no reason to see why it will not pass the 250k mark and beyond that its anyone's guess!!

All I will say is I am not convinced that a modern day Corolla would take the abuse and carry on regardless, as the old mans yoke did and still does.

The life of that car was, and still is, its regular servicing. Its a very simple car mechanically and makes you wonder about the levels of troublesome electronics etc in modern cars.
Don't get me wrong modern cars have come leaps and bounds in relation to safety features, emmissions and comfort. Its hard to beat good old nuts and bolts though..!

carchaeologist

^PICS!!!! it was actually on its roof in the field??:eek:

carchaeologist

unkel wrote: »

Let's play the ball and not the man. I'll kick-off: has anyone ever been in a car that has driven a million kilometres and if so, which car was it?

A couple of years ago a friend of mine bought a taxed and tested(!) 2 litre Diesel almera for 250 quid with 670.000 miles up on it. It had been used as a taxi. And it was hanging......clutch shagged and you nearly had to tow it to start it. Dunno how it ever passed a test.

So he spun the clock back to 180.000 and a polish guy nearly snapped his hand off for it,plus he made a few quid too. We did laugh!

carchaeologist

Andrew33 wrote: »

As I said in another thread, awards mean diddly squat,
Fiats Regatta was a "car of the year" way back when. Plenty of crap has won awards, BMW's 4cyl diesel engines are developing a bit of a rep for unreliability yet was an award winner. W124 was probably one of the best in its day but the world has moved on.

These are the car of the year winners from 1964 until now(wikipedia). Its easy look back and say the car was crap,but if you take them in the context of the time they were introduced alot of the time they were much better than anything before them,like the Renault 16 and the NZU RO8O. Though when was the last time you saw a Simca 1307/8....
European Car of the Year
Year Winner Pts Second Pts Third Pts
1964Rover 200076Mercedes 60064Hillman Imp31
1965Austin 180078Autobianchi Primula51Ford Mustang18
1966Renault 1698Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow81Oldsmobile Toronado59
1967Fiat 124144BMW 160069Jensen FF61
1968NSU Ro 80197Fiat 125133Simca 110094
1969Peugeot 504119BMW 2500/280077Alfa Romeo 175076
1970Fiat 128235Autobianchi A11296Renault 1279
1971Citroën GS233Volkswagen K70121Citroën SM105
1972Fiat 127239Renault 15/17107Mercedes 350SL96
1973Audi 80114Renault 5109Alfa Romeo Alfetta95
1974Mercedes 450S115Fiat X1/999Honda Civic90
1975Citroën CX229Volkswagen Golf164Audi 50136
1976Simca 1307-1308192BMW 3-series144Renault 30 TS107
1977Rover 3500157Audi 100138Ford Fiesta135
1978Porsche 928261BMW 7-series231Ford Granada203
1979Simca-Chrysler Horizon251Fiat Ritmo239Audi 80181
1980Lancia Delta369Opel Kadett301Peugeot 505199
1981Ford Escort326Fiat Panda308Austin Metro255
1982Renault 9335Opel Ascona304Volkswagen Polo252
1983Audi 100410Ford Sierra386Volvo 760157
1984Fiat Uno346Peugeot 205325Volkswagen Golf156
1985Opel Kadett/Vauxhall Astra326Renault 25261Lancia Thema191
1986Ford Scorpio337Lancia Y10291Mercedes-Benz 200-300E273
1987Opel Omega/Vauxhall Carlton275Audi 80238BMW 7-series175
1988Peugeot 405464Citroën AX252Honda Prelude234
1989Fiat Tipo356Opel Vectra261Volkswagen Passat194
1990Citroën XM390Mercedes-Benz SL215Ford Fiesta214
1991Renault Clio312Nissan Primera258Opel Calibra183
1992Volkswagen Golf276Opel Astra231Citroën ZX213
1993Nissan Micra338Fiat Cinquecento304Renault Safrane244
1994Ford Mondeo290Citroën Xantia264Mercedes-Benz C192
1995Fiat Punto370Volkswagen Polo292Opel Omega272
1996Fiat Bravo/Brava378Peugeot 406363Audi A4246
1997Renault Mégane Scénic405Ford Ka293Volkswagen Passat248
1998Alfa Romeo 156454Volkswagen Golf266Audi A6265
1999Ford Focus444Opel Astra269Peugeot 206248
2000Toyota Yaris344Fiat Multipla325Opel Zafira265
2001Alfa Romeo 147238Ford Mondeo237Toyota Prius229
2002Peugeot 307286Renault Laguna244Fiat Stilo243
2003Renault Mégane322Mazda 6302Citroën C3214
2004Fiat Panda281Mazda 3241Volkswagen Golf241
2005Toyota Prius406Citroën C4267Ford Focus228
2006Renault Clio256Volkswagen Passat251Alfa Romeo 159212
2007Ford S-Max235Opel/Vauxhall Corsa233Citroën C4 Picasso222
2008Fiat 500385Mazda2325Ford Mondeo202
2009Opel/Vauxhall Insignia321Ford Fiesta320Volkswagen Golf223
2010Volkswagen Polo347Toyota iQ337Opel/Vauxhall Astra221

I Was VB

W123-80's wrote: »

My old man is still ploughing away in a 1994 Toyota Corolla 2.0 Diesel. 220k miles on the clock.
It is possibly the most durable piece of machinery I have come across. It seems impossible kill it!
He bought himself a D4D Avensis a couple of years ago ('05 plate) and I have a sneaky suspicion that both he and my mother prefer the old Corolla!!
Its been jackknifed with a cattle trailer on the back, flipped on to its roof into a field by my brother (He's fine) and been in more scrapes and battles then I care to remember.
It looks awful in terms of dents and scrapes and the inside is none to clean either. (No rust though). I always collect my GF in it to annoy her..!! (She prefers the nice & clean Avensis)
It has been serviced regularly however and anything major that was ever broke was replaced immediately.
It currently returns an average of 55mpg and burns absolutely no oil. It is as reliable as the day my dad purchased it. He picked it up in 1999 from a neighbour who had it from new with 57k on the clock.

There is no reason to see why it will not pass the 250k mark and beyond that its anyone's guess!!

All I will say is I am not convinced that a modern day Corolla would take the abuse and carry on regardless, as the old mans yoke did and still does.

The life of that car was, and still is, its regular servicing. Its a very simple car mechanically and makes you wonder about the levels of troublesome electronics etc in modern cars.
Don't get me wrong modern cars have come leaps and bounds in relation to safety features, emmissions and comfort. Its hard to beat good old nuts and bolts though..!

2C Toyota diesel engine that is known to all taxi drivers and farmers here the world over. Fantastic engine that will always start hot or cold. Have two at the moment one is lying up a JDM Carina with 210K KM and a JDM Corona that is a daily runner with 370K KM. Its the type of engine that a turbo would spoil, the TD version of the Mk1 Avensis was the 2C with a Turbo.
I dont think it needs it, now the car is far from fast but if you were driving it in the 1st place you'd know it would always get ya there. Just not quickly.

Blue850

I'm keeping my 94 Vectra 1.7TD with 270K miles, its no longer the daily driver but I can't bear to part with it, in a few years it'll be the only 1.7TD in the country that won't have been turned into a Chavalier GSI replica:D

W123-80's

carchaeologist wrote: »

^PICS!!!! it was actually on its roof in the field??:eek:

Yup!
He went in over a ditch at a hilly crossroads in icy conditions. Was pretty badly damaged. To be fair I guess the on its roof part sounds worse then it was, it got a bad rap and went in on its side, just more fell over on its roof when it had finished moving..!

Don't have any pics of it on its roof I'm afraid.