Randy Orton *most recent show spoilers*

Bounty Hunter

Rjd2 wrote:

Jesus Orton is insanely over isn't he? From his entrance to hitting the RKO in Swagger and Dave, the crowd were lapping him up massively.

They need to run with him as a face but they mustn't neuter him.

The above quote was posted in the Raw thread and as i didnt want to derail the thread off topic I thought id start a new thread hope he doesent mind me quoting him still.

What do you think should be done with Orton now? we now what could have been done but that cant be done now, now he is insanley over with the crowds.

Personally id just keep him as he is Tweener, the ccrowd are into his psychotic viper character so dont dilute it by making him the good guy. Instead just allow him be the fan favourite. Im not sure if itl work long term but id try it atleast short term.

Rjd2

He needs to be the polar opposite of Cena basically.

Cena is great and all and deserves his position as the companies top dog, but Orton can never be anything like Cena is right now.Thats why people are cheering him, he's the alternative to all the cookie cutter babyfaces that are so common in todays WWE. We don't need a repeat of the epic failure that was his face run in 2004

Basically folks he needs to the Batman to Cena's superman. :pac:

glenjamin

I think he plays the heel role superbly but as a face I'm not so sure. I don't like the thought of him being like every other big face, winning cleanly, only losing when the other cheats, catchphrases, playing to the crowd and so on. If they could have him as this loner character who the fans love to hate and who doesn't have any relationships with the other wrestlers and who does whatever he can to ensure victory then I'll be quite happy.

Tribesmen7

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

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What do you think should be done with Orton now?

They have toned him down just enough to play the tweener/face. Anymore and it will turn out like the last time they turned him face. And they dont want that.

TBH the above question is very tricky to answer. I think its best to leave him as they have him now. I was worried about his tag match with Cena last night. But they handled it very well. After the victory he just glanced at Cena, there was no nod, no handshake no smile or anything else which would have ruined his character. They must go the Austin route here. Continue what he is doing, dont acknowledge the fans love for him and this could turn out great.

G-Money

A friend of mine thinks they need to turn Cena heel. I can't see it happening anytime soon though. Cena is a money making machine for WWE with all the merchandise and everything that he sells.

Orton has been over for a while but like I said on the Raw spoilers thread, I haven't seen a reaction in a long time like the one he got last night. When I seen Orton at the Raw house show in Dublin in November, he was already very over with the fans.

I love his psycho character and I think he needs to stick with it. He's not being a super smiling face now and people are going nuts for it, so I think they should just run with it for now. His face turn a few years ago was an unmitigated disaster so they need to avoid doing the same thing like the plague.

dsmythy

Cena and Orton the new Mega Powers ha! Cena to get kayfabe jealous of Orton's popularity perhaps?

Ridley

dsmythy wrote: »

Cena and Orton the new Mega Powers ha! Cena to get kayfabe jealous of Orton's popularity perhaps?

If Cena were to go heel again I really, really want it to be this:

(Language which may not be suitable for your little ones warning.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9nOD1h0m8Q

Orton should just stay as is without acknowledging the crowd directly.

mr.mayo

Yeah, I agree with you guys, the most important thing is to leave Orton's character as it is, nobody wants to see him become another Cena-esque squeaky clean babyface. He has to remain as a sort of tweener, let the crowd cheer for him if they wish but don't have him constantly panning to them. Although I'm a big Orton fan, I don't want to see him win the title anytime soon, I hope they build him up properly and give him a few decent feuds before putting the belt on him again
WWE has a tendency to ruin great heels when they turn face, Edge being the most recent example, I really hope they don't do the same with Orton. They've handled it pretty well so far so I'm hopeful it all works out. I'm glad to see they brought back the classic Orton pose, I love that thing!

SlickRic

The man is epic.

and he knows it.

the most important thing WWE Creative must do is not change him one iota. don't give him face friendly material; none of that sh*t. they must also not have him acknowledge the crowd.

though he's no Austin character, he is of that ilk now. so many are tired of the white meat they're being served up, and Orton gives them relief from that, and someone to get behind.

mark my words, by the time Orton's career is done, he'll be recognised as one of the all-time greats. one of the finest character actors i have ever seen; he has completely dedicated himself to that psycho persona.

and yes, the pose. good God I'm glad that's back.

Benjo™

As everyone is saying, keep the badass face image he seems to have going at the moment and he'll be in for a great year as a face.

Vince135792003

I can't see Cena playing second fiddle to him on Raw. Maybe a change of scenery to Smackdown?

chopperbyrne

He is, without a shadow of a doubt, the best in the business today.

Watching his matches is like watching a pro wrestling clinic and it's easy to see that he's a complete perfectionist.

I'll echo what everyone else has said, they just need to let him keep doing what he is doing.

geeky

Ridley wrote: »

If Cena were to go heel again I really, really want it to be this:

(Language which may not be suitable for your little ones warning.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9nOD1h0m8Q

Orton should just stay as is without acknowledging the crowd directly.

Unfortunately, I think any Cena Heel turn will be more like this:

sky88

id think they need to keep him as a kind of bad ass face like stone cold or hhh in 2002 i mean they have to let him do stuff heels do still but in a face way

JP Liz V1

Keep him as he is now no doubt he will be feuding with Cena for the title in no time :rolleyes:

Diabhal Beag

He could be a great tweener is they keep him that way. He is really over now and they need to keep him strong.

Mr.Nice Guy

He is super over but I just don't think he'll work well as a face. I remember the last time they turned him babyface and they tried to make him into this cool, bubbly type personality and the fans just couldn't accept it. He can't pull that stuff off as it doesn't come across as genuine and it's because it's not his personality. He suits the heel role perfectly as it's closer to who he is.

It's like with Edge. A lot of people are turning off Edge now as a babyface, and he has the personality to pull that role off, but he's just far more effective as a heel.

sky88 mentioned making him like a face the way HHH was in 2002 and I could see that working but remember HHH didn't last long in that role and I think was back working as a heel by Summerslam that year. I never really liked him as a face in that period either and never really have.

I hope they keep him heel.

flahavaj

SlickRic wrote: »

The man is epic.

and he knows it.

the most important thing WWE Creative must do is not change him one iota. don't give him face friendly material; none of that sh*t. they must also not have him acknowledge the crowd.

though he's no Austin character, he is of that ilk now. so many are tired of the white meat they're being served up, and Orton gives them relief from that, and someone to get behind.

mark my words, by the time Orton's career is done, he'll be recognised as one of the all-time greats. one of the finest character actors i have ever seen; he has completely dedicated himself to that psycho persona.

and yes, the pose. good God I'm glad that's back.

This tbh.

He gave the best performance out of anyone at Mania on Sunday night.

He's just so brilliant at portraying his character, timing his spots, reacting to and milking the crowd's responses and he's in ring work is now just brilliantly methodical and deliberate.

Possibly the best in the world at the moment, certainly in WWE.

Vince135792003

flahavaj wrote: »

He gave the best performance out of anyone at Mania on Sunday night.

I thought Undertaker was better.

flahavaj

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I thought Undertaker was better.

Perhaps. I just thought Randy was unreal. But of course HBK and Taker were incredible as well. Especially Taker considering his physical condition and the way he sold the leg.:eek:

Perhaps I should've said most underrated performance.

SlickRic

just watched that tag match from Raw again.

he is f*cking scary over.

like seriously, Austin '98 over, just before he went through the stratosphere.

if WWE play it right, Orton could be the next one knocking on the door of top-tier megastardom.

Vince135792003

flahavaj wrote: »

Perhaps. I just thought Randy was unreal. But of course HBK and Taker were incredible as well. Especially Taker considering his physical condition and the way he sold the leg.:eek:

Perhaps I should've said most underrated performance.

I just loved 'Taker in the last match. I thought he was even better than Michaels. Orton was great too though.

D.Q

crowds dont pop like that anymore. Or didn't until last night. Great things are about to happen for Mr. Orton.

flahavaj

SlickRic wrote: »

just watched that tag match from Raw again.

he is f*cking scary over.

like seriously, Austin '98 over, just before he went through the stratosphere.

if WWE play it right, Orton could be the next one knocking on the door of top-tier megastardom.

I have no faith that they'll do it right.

They've f*cked him up before, like the stupid face turn back when he was booted out of Evolution. Orlike when they turned Brock from a killer heel, (who would have eventually goten the same reaction Randy is now getting I think) into a goofy smiling face.

They basically need to tell him do nothing at all different but book him against a few heels for a bit, whom he treats with equal disdain. Book him as a man apart, with no alliances, who despises heels and faces equally.

And never, NEVER have him acknowledge the cheers of the fans. The more he is indifferent to him, the more they'll clamour for his attention.

Machismo Fan

They should've had him RKO Cena aswell on Raw.

SlickRic

Machismo Fan wrote: »

They should've had him RKO Cena aswell on Raw.

definitely not.

he didn't need to.

it would've been risky, and it could have dulled the reaction a bit IMO, as people would've been a bit confused as to what he's supposed to be.

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

They should've had him RKO Cena aswell on Raw.

He should just RKO the sh*t outa everything that moves, or failing that kick them in the head. Crowd would pop like lunatics for him.

Also a great nickname for him would be the "Lone Viper" basically a loner who'll bite you in the neck as soon as look at you. A man neither face nor heel can trust an inch.

dsmythy

Great pop alright! 2:20 or so onwards.

SlickRic

flahavaj wrote: »

He should just RKO the sh*t outa everything that moves, or failing that kick them in the head. Crowd would pop like lunatics for him.

actually i retract what i said.

this is probably the correct answer upon reflection.

Machismo Fan

SlickRic wrote: »

definitely not.

he didn't need to.

it would've been risky, and it could have dulled the reaction a bit IMO, as people would've been a bit confused as to what he's supposed to be.

I think the RKO as a finisher is so over that, like Flahavaj said, just let him RKO everybody. The crowd would go nuts, plus the Raw crowd was mostly the same as the WM crowd and they're traditionally anti-Cena.

flahavaj

You know what my favourite part of Wrestlemania was?

When Orton was setting Cody (I think twas Cody, I was very tired, could've ben Ted) up for the RKO, there was an audible buzz in the crowd. Then he stops for about 5 seconds and this evil look comes across his face as he realises Cody is in the perfect position for the punt to the head. He conveyed it so briliant with his facials that the crowd copped onto it as well. The pop that he got when he set up and delivered the kick was great.

Just brilliant stuff all round. Little things like that are why I still have an interest in pro wrestling. Its worth sitting through all kinds of sh*tty Divas matches and crap storylines just to see a master like Orton at work.

Rjd2

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Keep him as he is now no doubt he will be feuding with Cena for the title in no time :rolleyes:

One thing, I would love in the draft is to split up Orton/Cena and Hunter, one of them has to move to another show. I can't see Cena and Hunter been moved for reasons we don't need to get into here, so Randy on Smackdown would make sense.

Their is money feuds waiting for him with Jericho and Punk on the blue brand.

On Raw ultimately he will probably end up wrestling Cena, Hunter and Dave again, we don't want that again do we?

D.Q

As good as Orton is, does anyone else have a horrible feeling listening to Cole and King in that video, "a whole new energy", king laughing saying "so snakelike"...

SlickRic

DieselQueen wrote: »

As good as Orton is, does anyone else have a horrible feeling listening to Cole and King in that video, "a whole new energy", king laughing saying "so snakelike"...

yeah Cole's description of him at the end was horrible.

i didn't mind the snake reference at the time to be honest, though i do hate the fact WWE spell things out for their audience...

'his nickname is Viper...he acts like a snake' Duh!

flahavaj

DieselQueen wrote: »

As good as Orton is, does anyone else have a horrible feeling listening to Cole and King in that video, "a whole new energy", king laughing saying "so snakelike"...

I'd actually love an option on WWE PPV's where you could get the Spanish Announce Team's commentary rather than those other dopes. How much worse could it be? :pac:

D.Q

Distintivo Randy Orton!

Tricity Bendix

Orton now kinda reminds me of Benoit during his 'lone wolf' phase, after he had out grown the Radicalz but before he tagged with Jericho. He was quite cearly out for himself, but relied on his ability to win rather than underhand tactics, which got him over with the fans. He didnt need to acknowlodge the fans or pander to them, he just went out and beat up the people they hated (Kurt Angle and William Regal were both brilliant heels at this time). Something similar should be done with Orton, but he has the physical charisma to make it work on a whole higher level than Benoit.

JP Liz V1

Rjd2 wrote: »

One thing, I would love in the draft is to split up Orton/Cena and Hunter, one of them has to move to another show. I can't see Cena and Hunter been moved for reasons we don't need to get into here, so Randy on Smackdown would make sense.

Their is money feuds waiting for him with Jericho and Punk on the blue brand.

On Raw ultimately he will probably end up wrestling Cena, Hunter and Dave again, we don't want that again do we?

And also Orton V Edge

Tribesmen7

Rjd2 wrote: »

One thing, I would love in the draft is to split up Orton/Cena and Hunter, one of them has to move to another show. I can't see Cena and Hunter been moved for reasons we don't need to get into here, so Randy on Smackdown would make sense.

Their is money feuds waiting for him with Jericho and Punk on the blue brand.

On Raw ultimately he will probably end up wrestling Cena, Hunter and Dave again, we don't want that again do we?

Dont think they will do that. If Orton is going to be as big as some people say he will (including myself) they are not going to move him to the B Show at this moment in time. It would be madness.

JP Liz V1

Tribesmen7 wrote: »

Dont think they will do that. If Orton is going to be as big as some people say he will (including myself) they are not going to move him to the B Show at this moment in time. It would be madness.

With HBK gone SD is more like the A show now for me with the likes of Taker, Jericho, Rey, Edge and Punk

Penn

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

With HBK gone SD is more like the A show now for me with the likes of Taker, Jericho, Rey, Edge and Punk

That could all change with the draft coming up though. While I doubt Taker will move, I'd expect either Jericho or Edge to go to Raw, and Orton or Batista to go to Smackdown

JP Liz V1

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

That could all change with the draft coming up though. While I doubt Taker will move, I'd expect either Jericho or Edge to go to Raw, and Orton or Batista to go to Smackdown

Touché

I forgot about the draft

Tricity Bendix

Isn't Batista already supposed to be on Smackdown!?

Xinkai

Na he swapped when he came back from injury.

Cena = Raw Champ
Jericho = SD Champ



Also, just going back to the commentators, imo nobody beats Striker.

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.......................................... >=/

krudler

Orton going to SD and feuding with Punk would be awesome, but not as Orton as a nice new babyface persona, keep him as a tweener who isnt an out and out heel but does heelish acts, ie RKO's anyone who gets in his way, the crowd will lap it up like Austin circa 96/97. The more he acts like he doesnt care about what the fans think of him the more people will cheer him on, it makes sense as people older than 12 need someone they can root for these days.

barura

I have a feeling Orton should be going along the same path as Austin... But what will happen to Rhoads and Debiase?

DM_7

Ortons in a strange place.

Great performer.

Average wrestler. 4 moves and one is a headlock!

I said before he is like Austin. Instead of the rattlesnake he is the viper. Just let him be himself and hit that RKO as sudden as possible.

Have him RKO Vince for the next few weeks.

flahavaj

DM-ICE wrote: »

Ortons in a strange place.

Great performer.

Average wrestler. 4 moves and one is a headlock!

I said before he is like Austin. Instead of the rattlesnake he is the viper. Just let him be himself and hit that RKO as sudden as possible.

Have him RKO Vince for the next few weeks.

It used to be the case that Orton was mediocre in the ring and rather boring, but not any more. The methodical way he goes about his work, the way he times his moves, the way he carries himself, the way he plays the crowd and conveys emotion and his character make him absolutely compelling to watch.

Also basing a wrestlers in-ring ability on the amount of moves they have is an automatic fail in my book.

SilverFox261

krudler wrote: »

Orton going to SD and feuding with Punk would be awesome, but not as Orton as a nice new babyface persona, keep him as a tweener who isnt an out and out heel but does heelish acts, ie RKO's anyone who gets in his way, the crowd will lap it up like Austin circa 96/97. The more he acts like he doesnt care about what the fans think of him the more people will cheer him on, it makes sense as people older than 12 need someone they can root for these days.

Putting Orton on Smackdown would be a mistake i think. RAW is the show WWE concentrate on. If they do decide to push Orton given his new found appeal with the fan's, keeping him on RAW makes more sense. It would give him more exposure. If anything, they should bring Punk and the SES to Raw. With Orton gone face they need someone to replace him as a heel. CM Punk would do that perfectly.

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

It used to be the case that Orton was mediocre in the ring and rather boring, but not any more. The methodical way he goes about his work, the way he times his moves, the way he carries himself, the way he plays the crowd and conveys emotion and his character make him absolutely compelling to watch.

While true, I don't think Orton is good enough in the ring to have that show stealing classic that a really good main eventer needs to have. He usually needs the help of a gimmick to have a really good match.

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

While true, I don't think Orton is good enough in the ring to have that show stealing classic that a really good main eventer needs to have. He usually needs the help of a gimmick to have a really good match.

I would counter that argument with the assertion that looking at the cuurent roster hes the best bet with the exception of possibly Jericho to do so. I'd have agreed with you a year ago, but now I'm not so sure.