Business UL

Ddemo

Im putting it down no1 anyone else wanting to do it????

cickimc

Yep

I'm predicting points to go up to 420-430! Thats just my own guess!
What you thinking

Ddemo

cickimc wrote: »

Yep

I'm predicting points to go up to 420-430! Thats just my own guess!
What you thinking

yeah i think will be something around that hope not any higher :eek:

where u hoping to stay?

Stryderman

I've business down as No.2, Law and Accounting as No.1 but I'm half thinking of changing them around because I don't think il be too interested in the Law side of things........I'm staying in Kilmurray I think:D

Ddemo

Stryderman wrote: »

I've business down as No.2, Law and Accounting as No.1 but I'm half thinking of changing them around because I don't think il be too interested in the Law side of things........I'm staying in Kilmurray I think:D

staying in kilmurry too better be good

cickimc

I was thinking Kilmurry or maybe PLassey

How long till accommodation in Kilmurry is full or does it fill any of ye guys know

Ddemo

cickimc wrote: »

I was thinking Kilmurry or maybe PLassey

How long till accommodation in Kilmurry is full or does it fill any of ye guys know

well i got my plce so i assume its first come first served
plassey is grand but kilmurray has better facilities stayed down with one my friends during rag week last week was class:D

cickimc

Ya think I might just go with Kilmurry more likely to make it to lectures if I'm living almost on the doorstep

Anybody know what the course is like hours wise/toughness/ and much harder then the financial subjects in school

JoseJones

You'll have feck all hours and no work to do.....have a look on facebook for the UL business students are wasters page, there's a typical timetable of a business student up there......

fullback4glin

This is what JoseJones is on about...

Diary of a business student:

- On Monday I look at my timetable and see that I dont have any college til tomorrow so I go back to bed for the day.

- On Tuesday I walk into college to meet up with friends, meet up for lunch, discuss how little we did the day before and how little we will do for the rest of the week.

- On Wednesday thats rite!! have to meet up with my FYP tutor. oh ya..... I forgot I dont have to do any FYP.... thank god, because four modules is enough already.

- On Thursday...its my most stressful day of the week. After a full 50 minutes in a lecture I must go home, have a shower, get dressed and go to the offie before I head into Angel Lane. That's like over 3 or 4 different things to do in only 1 day. And people say that business studies is easy!!

- On Friday its usually loike 10 o'clock when I wake up, the hangover does be killing me and the walk of shame is different every week. I swear I've spent more hours doing the walk of shame than I have in the library. The spin home at 12 kills me, the stress of planning my weekend gets to me.

- On Saturday and Sunday I catch up with the guys from home, take it easy and recharge my batteries after a hectic week.

Stryderman

fullback4glin wrote: »

This is what JoseJones is on about...

Diary of a business student:

- On Monday I look at my timetable and see that I dont have any college til tomorrow so I go back to bed for the day.

- On Tuesday I walk into college to meet up with friends, meet up for lunch, discuss how little we did the day before and how little we will do for the rest of the week.

- On Wednesday thats rite!! have to meet up with my FYP tutor. oh ya..... I forgot I dont have to do any FYP.... thank god, because four modules is enough already.

- On Thursday...its my most stressful day of the week. After a full 50 minutes in a lecture I must go home, have a shower, get dressed and go to the offie before I head into Angel Lane. That's like over 3 or 4 different things to do in only 1 day. And people say that business studies is easy!!

- On Friday its usually loike 10 o'clock when I wake up, the hangover does be killing me and the walk of shame is different every week. I swear I've spent more hours doing the walk of shame than I have in the library. The spin home at 12 kills me, the stress of planning my weekend gets to me.

- On Saturday and Sunday I catch up with the guys from home, take it easy and recharge my batteries after a hectic week.

I CAN'T WAIT:D sounds perfect!

Sophsxxx

It's no.2 on my CAO.
But after reading the post about the typical business student...it's being booted up to no.1 for sure!

Gael23

See you all there! BBS with french no. 1!
Booked Dromroe.

7 7 7

hey guys, just a quick question about business in UL as im thinking about doing it in september, i saw a facebook group slagging ul business students saying they were wasters and wont be able to get jobs with the degree, is the course as easy as these people let it on to be? and what are job prospects like after this course? ( i know were in a recession but other than that)



I have a feeling these peole are full of ****e but i thought id ask just to make sure anyway thanks!

cson

Short answer no. Because of the numbers in the course it does tend to attract a few types who think its a handy number but as with anything you have to put the work in to get something out of it - a 2.2 BBS will find it tough to get a decent job [in fact impossible to get any form of training contract] whereas a 1.1 BBS will be likely sought after for a training contract.

Mossin and Ninty9er are two BBs-ers on here so they'll give you the full story having graduated from the course while I think there are one or two current BBS students on here too. Do a search of the forum in the meantime.

bobo the clown

as cson said there are lots of job prospects if you do the work, which can be said for every course. People say business students are wasters because our timetable is only 16 hours on average a week and lots of the tests are multiple choice. It is fairly easy to get a degree in business(MCQs) but to get that 2.1 or higher is still very hard. I am myself on 2.2 (just short of 2.1 ) but have 4th year to come.
1 thing i will say is people say 1st year doesnt count towards your degree so just pass. I took this option and don't get me wrong i had best year of my life but did regret it as when going on co-op companies do look at your 1st year results. Co-op offers its own job opportunity aswell as some people go back working with companies after they finish their degrees

Mossin

7 7 7 wrote: »

hey guys, just a quick question about business in UL as im thinking about doing it in september, i saw a facebook group slagging ul business students saying they were wasters and wont be able to get jobs with the degree, is the course as easy as these people let it on to be? and what are job prospects like after this course? ( i know were in a recession but other than that)

Hey 777,

I highly recommend business in UL. I would recommend it time and again to students who have an interest in accounting, marketing, HR, economics etc..

That facebook group is like the millions of other pointless facebook groups made up by people who dont have a fecking clue what they are talking about.

There are aspects to the course which are a doddle, but then again, things are only easy if you know the answer [or know how to work the system].
I made 95%+ of lectures and tutorials during my 4 years doing BBS, and tbh, a fair amount of 1st and 2 year I hated. It wasnt until I majored in Marketing that I really discovered how good the BBS course was.
Saying that however, there is a new BBS course in existence now, but it still covers over 80% of what I did, so I feel I am more than qualified to comment on BBS in UL.

cson wrote: »

Short answer no. Because of the numbers in the course it does tend to attract a few types who think its a handy number but as with anything you have to put the work in to get something out of it - a 2.2 BBS will find it tough to get a decent job [in fact impossible to get any form of training contract] whereas a 1.1 BBS will be likely sought after for a training contract.

I have to agree with CSON here, the large numbers doing BBS each year is down to a lot of people choosing it because they dont know what else to do, and think its a doddle. But this leads to a high drop out rate [18% in 1st year iirc when we did it].
But in order to get good grades, you really have to put in some serious work. I missed out on a 1:1 degree by the skin of my teeth, and thats because I disliked 2nd year. But I buckled down for 3rd and 4th, and for my FYP [no longer compulsory btw, but I'd recommend doing it], and I ended up with excellent results.
I'm now doing a postgrad in UL, in a follow-up postgrad from my minor option, and I think the effort I put into my undergrad has helped me immensely now.

bobo the clown wrote: »

as cson said there are lots of job prospects if you do the work, which can be said for every course. People say business students are wasters because our timetable is only 16 hours on average a week and lots of the tests are multiple choice. It is fairly easy to get a degree in business(MCQs) but to get that 2.1 or higher is still very hard. I am myself on 2.2 (just short of 2.1 ) but have 4th year to come.

Not all classes have MCQ exams, and those that do are often not straight forward either! But I agree that it is easier to get good grades this way than through written exams.
Then again, in the marketing major, there is loads of practical work, and group projects, and written exams [usually 3 essays in 2.5 hours] and extremely worthwhile.

To conclude:
Dont listen to some stupid facebook group.
Talk to the course director, or search this forum for BBS threads, and speak to current students of the course, and I have no doubt that you will find that Business in UL is excellent.

Risteard

I'm in first year in Business and I have to say I really enjoy the course. Due to the size of it, as mentioned before, then there are going to be a few people that won't take it seriously. If you have any interest in accounting, economics, marketing etc. I'd say do it, it gives you a lot of variety in first year and gives you experience in many different areas before you pick your major option.

Cson and Mossin have pretty much summed it up anyway.

bobo the clown

i didnt say there all mcq but i see where your coming from sayin they are not always straight forward. But they are a lot easier than essay q's. Im in 3 rd year but have friends in second year and they have mcq's now for 2 modules i had essay q's 1 being risk management i think..

Ddemo

Im hoping to do Business in September, and am just wondering the points are 385, i know no one knows exactly, but would it be possible for it to go up by 40/50 points because that could be out of my reach. Or will it do the norm and go up by 5/10 points ???

hope someone could help thanks

NTMK

Id say the number of places for Business is big enough not to allow a 40 point jump.

ninty9er

First preference demand for BBS is down, meaning that points are unlikely to increase this year. This is what is actually most harmful to the degree from an employment point of view, how easy it has become to get into, but if you have 410+ points I don't see it being an issue.

In terms of employment prospects, work hard on co-op and you'll get a decent offer. I would have cost my co-op employer and extra €6,000 in exam fees based on my results compared to the "minimum" requirements to get into a trainee placement, as have many of my classmates, but they were still given jobs on 2.2s due to the employer's knowledge of their work, no other University can offer you this.

Do I regret doing BBS? No.
Would I do it again? Maybe.
Would I pick the same major (Accounting & Finance)? Yes, but I think Management shoud,be a major of its own, in which case I would have done that, the accounting teaching is very varied, some is excellent, some is shite. The Finance meant nothing to me and was a waste of my time. If I wanted to do finance, I wouldn't have picked an accounting leaning course, I would have done economics.
Would I do the same minor (HR)?
Definitely. I'd have replaced the finance modules with extra HR. I think there's only 4 of us that have this Degree (A&F, HR Minor). None of us to my recollection have a 1.1 or 2.1, though one might have a 2.1...in any case that's irrelevant. I much preferred this as we got much smaller classes and individual feedback on stuff.
Will I ever use my degree specialisation for professional purposes?
Unlikely. If my year so far in the Union has taught me anything it's that I never want to be an audit accountant (and you essentially have to be for 3 years to get the qualification)
Would I recommend Accounting and Finance as it stands?
No, but nationally it's probably the best of a bad bunch.

What else can university offer?
Well realistically if I had gone to all of my lectures and tutorials, and put in the recommended study time for BBS (2 hours reading, 2 hours study per module per week) I'd have had a 1.1 no bother, but I got involved in Clubs and Socs, sat on its Exec for 3 years and spend about 10 hours a week doing that stuff as well as working 10/15 hours a week and socialising and the normal stuff people do. There's a lot to do at UL, if you come just for the education, you haven't had the UL experience and will ultimately end up regretting it, like I regret putting so much time into course work in first year which doesn't count.

Of course, missing 4 weeks in 2nd year for medical reasons doesn't lend itself to good results come exam time, so I could possibly have gotten a 2.1, but it's only a number, a small part of your CV that may bump you up the interview list, it's up to you to sell yourself when you get there.

sebastianlieken

just what we need, more business students :rolleyes:

fullback4glin

Seb hows John Rae??

JoseJones

I know people who were complaining about having 10 hours a week in 4th year first semester! And no FYP......Some bunch of wasters......

DJCR

JoseJones wrote: »

I know people who were complaining about having 10 hours a week in 4th year first semester! And no FYP......Some bunch of wasters......

I did HR and we had 15 and I was still bitchin...... I was in the library everyday from week 4 trying to get all the projects we had to do done.

Just because there arn't that many hours doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work involved.... we used to walk in, get told we have a project to do due in in two weeks time + given a reading list as long as your arm... and before you say "Ha the reading list, sure you don't have to read them all" .... yes you do!!! Never mind mid terms etc.

THe best laugh I ever got was hearing the engineering masters do 2nd year business and bitching about how much work is in it - especially after they were slagging me for 4 years..... "theres not enough maths in it, theres too much reading" :D:D:D

Gotta love hind sight !!! - THey thought they were gonna have a handy masters.

Sorry.............. computer sez no!!! :D:D

freyners

cson wrote:

Mossin and Ninty9er are two BBs-ers on here

hes a business student :eek: and i voted for him the elections, what have i done:D

7 7 7 wrote:

hey guys, just a quick question about business in UL as im thinking about doing it in september, i saw a facebook group slagging ul business students saying they were wasters and wont be able to get jobs with the degree, is the course as easy as these people let it on to be? and what are job prospects like after this course? ( i know were in a recession but other than that)

Right im living with two business students and there the polar opposites of what a business is. One goes to most of her lectures, works on her course and gets the results to match. However the other does justice to the UL business students are wasters page. shes gone to 4hrs this semester, has missed out on 25 % already cause she hasn't gone to tutorials and probably dropped another 25% cause i dont think shes handed in a project.
Im doing Law and accounting so half my lectures are the same as business. Its not a joke course, you do have to work at the modules your in. The reason the course is slagged off is (like cson said) the course attracts some amount of wasters. If you work at it and recieve a 1.1, you should not have a problem with finding employment

ninty9er

freyners wrote: »

If you work at it and recieve a 1.1, you should not have a problem with finding employment

There are a limited amount of 1.1s. There were 9 out of 300 this year as opposed to 20 out of 58 for Law and Accounting.

I don't mean to moan, and I was nowhere near getting a 1.1, but trust me, if they were marked along the same scale...L&A would probably have only had 7/8 1.1s

I think they get away with it because it's an Arts course.

BBS + French had as many if not more.

Gael23

In relation to hours, I was told it was about 17 a week? Im doing BBs+French so hopefully with some work I should get a good grade.

thomond2006

ryanf1 wrote: »

In relation to hours, I was told it was about 17 a week? Im doing BBs+French so hopefully with some work I should get a good grade.

Yes, it's 17.

freyners

ninty9er wrote:

There are a limited amount of 1.1s. There were 9 out of 300 this year

9 out of 300, are you serious. how can that that be fair?

ninty9er wrote:

as opposed to 20 out of 58 for Law and Accounting.

we got an email from the course director about this, the cut off for a 1.1 is 3.3QCA or there abouts every year.

ninty9er wrote:

I don't mean to moan, and I was nowhere near getting a 1.1, but trust me, if they were marked along the same scale...L&A would probably have only had 7/8 1.1s

I think they get away with it because it's an Arts course.

maybe, maybe not. i dont know the reasons behind the cut-offs or anything like that so i wont argue with ya about it.

Mossin

freyners wrote: »

9 out of 300, are you serious. how can that that be fair?

Yes, he is deadly serious, only 9 of our class graduated with 1.1's out of about 300.

Its not a matter of fairness, its what people deserved. I was close to a 1.1, quite close actually, but I didnt get one, because its what my results reflected.

freyners wrote: »

we got an email from the course director about this, the cut off for a 1.1 is 3.3QCA or there abouts every year.

The cut-off for BBS was 3.35QCA for a 1.1 according to the course director.
I thought it was always 3.4QCA, and those within .05 of that would be considered for a 1.1 based on overall performance, but I was incorrect.

freyners

Mossin wrote:

Its not a matter of fairness, its what people deserved. I was close to a 1.1, quite close actually, but I didnt get one, because its what my results reflected.

figure of speech dude;), although at least we can safely say there is no grade inflation there anyway:D

Stryderman

Which course would you recommend for a career in accountancy, Business or Law and Accounting? I don't know which one to go for

ninty9er

Depends. If you want to go into Tax Consultancy then Law and Accounting. For general, Audit and Business Consultancy Business.

cson

ninty9er wrote: »

There are a limited amount of 1.1s. There were 9 out of 300 this year as opposed to 20 out of 58 for Law and Accounting.

I don't mean to moan, and I was nowhere near getting a 1.1, but trust me, if they were marked along the same scale...L&A would probably have only had 7/8 1.1s

I think they get away with it because it's an Arts course.

BBS + French had as many if not more.

Maybe it's because it attracts a better calibre of student. And I'm being deadly serious here, no offence to anyone past/present BBS.

DJCR

ninty9er wrote: »

There are a limited amount of 1.1s. There were 9 out of 300 this year as opposed to 20 out of 58 for Law and Accounting.

I don't mean to moan, and I was nowhere near getting a 1.1, but trust me, if they were marked along the same scale...L&A would probably have only had 7/8 1.1s

I think they get away with it because it's an Arts course.

BBS + French had as many if not more.

cson wrote: »

Maybe it's because it attracts a better calibre of student. And I'm being deadly serious here, no offence to anyone past/present BBS.

Yes BBS and French had loads in my year.... we all did well I think there was only 3 thirds in my year.

I'm not sure but when I did BBS and French it was 420 points to get in - but the median CAO scoring was 465 points.

BBS was 405 with a median of 440 .... so not a huge difference in the calliber of students.

However .... we did do french for 4 years which ment we started our minor earlier + it was a language so we all got to live in a french speaking country for a while if we wanted to.

Also (I'm giving out the dirty secrets now) my class roughly halved in size ... ie. after we got to choose our minor in 2nd year they switched out from french some even left in first year!!

cson

I don't have the exact figures but certainly all the people I'm friendly with in my year all of them had a >500 point leaving cert coming into the course. I'll stand by my affirmation that I think it attracts a better calibre of student; my classmates spend a lot of time in the library and for the majority if not all the 1.1s they're on are deserved.

ninty9er

Points don't equal a good QCA. I had 525 for a 405 BBS entry and I have a 2.2 degree.

cson

ninty9er wrote: »

Points don't equal a good QCA. I had 525 for a 405 BBS entry and I have a 2.2 degree.

And that's a fair point.

I have friends in both courses and by and large I'd definitely say the L&A-ers are more studious than the BBS-ers which would be the reason why there'd be a disproportionate distribution in the 1.1s. What holds the BBS course back somewhat imo is the entry points; if it was 450/460 points to get in that would weed out a lot of wasters from the get go. 400 points is easily attainable if you're smart about it these days in the LC and as I've said previously BBS is a cop out for some people [I've seen this firsthand from mates who put it down for the laugh almost] just so they can go to college and live the college life. That holds the course back a little; if the places were limited to 150-200 I'd say the course would improve no end. But of course due to funding that won't happen.

There are ~30 people in my class of ~60 on 1.1s which of course is wildly disproportionate. However from knowing them and the work/time spent in the library I'd guess that the majority of them are full vlaue for them as I've said above.

Gael23

So does that mean that if you got 380 last year you dont get in?

martinaoe2

Business in UL...


LOL..

Peteee

martinaoe2 wrote: »

Business in UL...


LOL..

Lets try not to disparage any courses here please

happydayz182

just wondering got 410 in last year but i dropped out...is that enough to be confident of a place in buisness next year?

cson

I would say so. I doubt demand for Business courses will rise significantly in the current economic climate. The traditional professions [Solicitors/Accountants/Doctors] may well see an upsurge.

PinkBottle

ryanf1 wrote: »

So does that mean that if you got 380 last year you dont get in?

I got 400 points and I'm doing BBS ...but some of my friends got 380/385 and didn't get offered the course at all, out of 4 of my friends from school - I'm the only one doing BBS in UL, the others are in Thurles and CIT. Just because you get the points required don't necessarily mean your definitely going to be offered the course.

SarahBeep!

Just a few things...

The only people who should be concerned about CAO points is the LC students. The second you're in the course you want, points are irrelevant(excl transfers or whatever), you may hsve gotten a million points but you got them from a bad system. Who cares once we're in college what grade I got in Art. If ever I'm asked what my point were I simply reply that I got enough.

I will admit I'm a member of UL business students are wasters. I know plenty of students who are wasters but not all of them are business students. I know plenty of BBSers who kick ass at what they do. Don't tar them all with the same brush!

I can easily complain about their 12 hours/week but they have projects and stuff like that to do. I had between 21 and 24 hours/week this year for 1st year Science Ed but I had no project work bar Education. All of my 'project time' is spent in labs. It's not about hours spent in lectures it's about hours overall! There are plenty of students, no matter what the course, attend college ten hours a week but they're the ones who study the module the night before an exam!

This can be applied to ANY course - You get out what you put in!

BBSers- Don't worry, noy everyone thinks you're wasters.
LCers- Good luck! Don't pick a course on the points/hours/titles. Take a look at the course outline and see if you like the modules.

Mossin

SarahBeep! wrote: »

BBSers- Don't worry, noy everyone thinks you're wasters.

Dont worry I didnt think I was, and I dont care what anyone else thinks of the course I'm doing/did tbh, and neither should anybody else.

BBS in UL is a great course imo, although the changes they've made to the marketing major are for the worse imho. - Bring back "Selling & Sales" with C.C. - Best module ever, as I'm sure Burning Eclipse will agree with!

Burning Eclipse

Mossin wrote: »

Dont worry I didnt think I was, and I dont care what anyone else thinks of the course I'm doing/did tbh, and neither should anybody else.

BBS in UL is a great course imo, although the changes they've made to the marketing major are for the worse imho. - Bring back "Selling & Sales" with C.C. - Best module ever, as I'm sure Burning Eclipse will agree with!

Boom! Didn't take me long, did it? That module was golden. Whether you had any interest in it as a career (I don't), it is still immensely valuable as a learning opportunity.

BBS, like every other course in any college, is all about what you put into it.

Also, cson... BBS has an accounting option. If you think it's feasable that "The traditional professions [Solicitors/Accountants/Doctors] may well see an upsurge", then why not BBS as a result of it's Acc component?

Rineanna

Mossin wrote: »

BBS in UL is a great course imo, although the changes they've made to the marketing major are for the worse imho. - Bring back "Selling & Sales" with C.C. - Best module ever, as I'm sure Burning Eclipse will agree with!

It's still semi there, but in the guise of 'Applied Marketing II'. A lot of sales and selling related content, with 20% as a sales presentation to Industry representatives (Nestlé this year), having completed a 50% mother-trucker IMC project.

Mossin

Rineanna wrote: »

It's still semi there, but in the guise of 'Applied Marketing II'. A lot of sales and selling related content, with 20% as a sales presentation to Industry representatives (Nestlé this year), having completed a 50% mother-trucker IMC project.

Thats great to hear actually! From what I was told [from lecturers and T.A.'s the module was finished, I'm glad to hear its still being done, as I think it was the best module I did in my 5 years in UL.

The presentation to the industry panel was superb [not only cos myself and idPlease won it] but also cos C.C. was the best lecturer on the course!

Presenting to Nestlé would have been interesting ... hmmm Chocolate..........