RADIO FENCES FOR DOGS please help

goat2

I would like to know what the experience of people who use these fences
I cannot put up a timper or brick wall
but i would like to know if they work, and where i can get them at a reasonable price, as they seem very expensive, as i have 3 pets to put the collars on
how do they exactily work
are they worth it
do some dogs breach them
where i can get them at and can they be bought second hand

andreac

Please think twice about using these collars, look at the link below and it might make you change your mind.

I would never,ever put up one of these fences or put any type of shock collar on my dog.:mad:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=141862&id=59639020615&ref=mf

Buy a dog run, they are much safer and secure and will not harm the dog in any way.

goat2

andreac wrote: »

Please think twice about using these collars, look at the link below and it might make you change your mind.

I would never,ever put up one of these fences or put any type of shock collar on my dog.:mad:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=141862&id=59639020615&ref=mf

Buy a dog run, they are much safer and secure and will not harm the dog in any way.

were those collars let on all the time
that looks like cruelty to the animals
as i do have a small dog run
i do need to give them freedom in a larger area for about 2 hours 2 times a day, there are sheep about where i live, they will soon have lambs, there as also a load of traffic
are there different fences

Nino Brown

You bury a wire slightly underground all around the perimeter of your property, then train the dog as per this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYDgkzzyXuQ

I Have a big strong dog (rottweiler), so the regular collar didn't do much good, he actually sat on top of the wire one day, I could see his neck vibrating from the shock but he didn't seem to care. So I had to buy a stubborn reciever for bigger dogs. They're E90 a pop and he's on his 3rd. The reciever collars do get worn and will need replacing. I bought my wire and transmitter second hand 7 years ago and both have been working fine ever since.

You'll have to check the system from time to time to make sure it's not drifing, ie making the area the dog is free to roam smaller, and check the batteries. Also check regularly that you can fit at least 2 fingers between the collar and the dogs neck.

I think it's a great idea, my dog wouldn't have the quality of life has without it. He has the whole property to run around all day if nobody's home, whereas otherwise he'd be locked in his run all day. Definitely worth buying, just remember it's not a once off cost, it will need some maintenance.

Nino Brown

Nino Brown wrote: »

You bury a wire slightly underground all around the perimeter of your property, then train the dog as per this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYDgkzzyXuQ

I Have a big strong dog (rottweiler), so the regular collar didn't do much good, he actually sat on top of the wire one day, I could see his neck vibrating from the shock but he didn't seem to care. So I had to buy a stubborn reciever for bigger dogs. They're E90 a pop and he's on his 3rd. The reciever collars do get worn and will need replacing. I bought my wire and transmitter second hand 7 years ago and both have been working fine ever since.

You'll have to check the system from time to time to make sure it's not drifing, ie making the area the dog is free to roam smaller, and check the batteries. Also check regularly that you can fit at least 2 fingers between the collar and the dogs neck.

I think it's a great idea, my dog wouldn't have the quality of life has without it. He has the whole property to run around all day if nobody's home, whereas otherwise he'd be locked in his run all day. Definitely worth buying, just remember it's not a once off cost, it will need some maintenance.

It's also worth mentioning that good collars have inbuilt safety features. As the dog approaches the wire the collar beeps and vibrates as a warning. If the collar is shocking for more than 30 seconds it will stop, in case the dog is stuck in the correction zone.

andreac

Nino Brown wrote: »

You bury a wire slightly underground all around the perimeter of your property, then train the dog as per this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYDgkzzyXuQ

I Have a big strong dog (rottweiler), so the regular collar didn't do much good, he actually sat on top of the wire one day, I could see his neck vibrating from the shock but he didn't seem to care. So I had to buy a stubborn reciever for bigger dogs. They're E90 a pop and he's on his 3rd. The reciever collars do get worn and will need replacing. I bought my wire and transmitter second hand 7 years ago and both have been working fine ever since.

You'll have to check the system from time to time to make sure it's not drifing, ie making the area the dog is free to roam smaller, and check the batteries. Also check regularly that you can fit at least 2 fingers between the collar and the dogs neck.

I think it's a great idea, my dog wouldn't have the quality of life has without it. He has the whole property to run around all day if nobody's home, whereas otherwise he'd be locked in his run all day. Definitely worth buying, just remember it's not a once off cost, it will need some maintenance.

Sorry but quality of life from being shocked with an electric current??:mad: I totally disagree there, how can this be quality of life for any dog. Id rather my dog be in a dog run than being shocked.
I think they are cruel and as from the link above can inflict injury and pain so i would never put one on any dog.

goat2

Nino Brown wrote: »

It's also worth mentioning that good collars have inbuilt safety features. As the dog approaches the wire the collar beeps and vibrates as a warning. If the collar is shocking for more than 30 seconds it will stop, in case the dog is stuck in the correction zone.

that sounds very good, the dog gets warning,
at how many feet from the wire does this warning come.

Nino Brown

andreac wrote: »

Sorry but quality of life from being shocked with an electric current??:mad: I totally disagree there, how can this be quality of life for any dog. Id rather my dog be in a dog run than being shocked.
I think they are cruel and as from the link above can inflict injury and pain so i would never put one on any dog.

I think you have the wrong idea here, the collar only shocks the dog if it tries to leave the property, dogs are smarter than you're giving them credit for, the whole point is they learn how to avoid being shocked. I can safely say my dog hasn't been shocked in years. Even with the collar off now he stays within the zone. At it's a static shock, it cannot harm your dog, haven't you ever got a shock off a car door? It's uncomfortable but harmless.

Nino Brown

goat2 wrote: »

that sounds very good, the dog gets warning,
at how many feet from the wire does this warning come.

You adjust that on your transmitter, the recommended minimum is about 5ft I think, up to about 20/30ft. But don't quote me on those figures it's a while since I set mine up.

andreac

Have you clicked on that link i posted? I think it would make anyone think twice about using any type of shock collar.

You say you had to get a stronger one for your rottie so im sure its far more than like a shock off a car door.

fuzz11

I wonder could anyone help me..got one of these fences for my 3 dogs.we have a farm which i would like them to have the freedom to run around in but we want the fense to run along the front of the house coz it is a busy road.now our powerpoint is in the middle of the area where we need to put the dog fence.eg


front driveway shed back driveway
.................................................................................................

now the little dots is where the fence should go , it needs to double back on its itself to get to the powerpoint and because the house and farm are behind this... but if the wire is too close to eachother (3 metres) it cancels out the shock.

it is driving me mad how to sort it out,and there is no space to keep it 3 metres in all areas, near the shed...

I no its confusing, anyone please help!!!!

goat2

Nino Brown wrote: »

You adjust that on your transmitter, the recommended minimum is about 5ft I think, up to about 20/30ft. But don't quote me on those figures it's a while since I set mine up.

i am glad to hear that
at least it will keep them from getting shocked as they will be forewarned
i guess one can adjust shock level as well
can one leave wire above ground also

Nino Brown

andreac wrote: »

Have you clicked on that link i posted? I think it would make anyone think twice about using any type of shock collar.

You say you had to get a stronger one for your rottie so im sure its far more than like a shock off a car door.

I've seen the pics, but to be honest I dont think you even know what you're looking at. To me they look like pressure wounds from the collar being on too tight for along period of time. Which I did say earlier is something that should be checked regularly.

Nino Brown

goat2 wrote: »

i am glad to hear that
at least it will keep them from getting shocked as they will be forewarned
i guess one can adjust shock level as well
can one leave wire above ground also

You can adjust the shock level on the stubborn reciever, as far as I know the standard reciever is set. Yes there are above ground wires, but they can cause hassle with lawnmowers and other animals crossing them.

andreac

Nino Brown wrote: »

I've seen the pics, but to be honest I dont think you even know what you're looking at. To me they look like pressure wounds from the collar being on too tight for along period of time. Which I did say earlier is something that should be checked regularly.

Sorry, but of course i know what im looking at :rolleyes:

Ive seen these collars on dogs and see what they can do, so for that reason i would never put one on my dog and wouldnt recommend anyone else to do so, just my opinion and the safety and welfare of my dog always comes first and i would never risk an injury like this happening to him.

Nino Brown

andreac wrote: »

Sorry, but of course i know what im looking at :rolleyes:

Ive seen these collars on dogs and see what they can do, so for that reason i would never put one on my dog and wouldnt recommend anyone else to do so, just my opinion and the safety and welfare of my dog always comes first and i would never risk an injury like this happening to him.

I think keeping a dog locked in a run is cruel, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

andreac

Nino Brown wrote: »

I think keeping a dog locked in a run is cruel, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

How can it be more cruel than getting shocked by a collar??

Its a lot safer and more secure for the dog, no risk of it getting out (dogs can still get out with a collar on) and getting run over by a car, getting attacked by neighbours dogs, wandering off etc, yeah its much safer alright :rolleyes:

Yes think we will have to disgree.

Nino Brown

fuzz11 wrote: »

I wonder could anyone help me..got one of these fences for my 3 dogs.we have a farm which i would like them to have the freedom to run around in but we want the fense to run along the front of the house coz it is a busy road.now our powerpoint is in the middle of the area where we need to put the dog fence.eg


front driveway shed back driveway
.................................................................................................

now the little dots is where the fence should go , it needs to double back on its itself to get to the powerpoint and because the house and farm are behind this... but if the wire is too close to eachother (3 metres) it cancels out the shock.

it is driving me mad how to sort it out,and there is no space to keep it 3 metres in all areas, near the shed...

I no its confusing, anyone please help!!!!

Have you actually tried it, because i think at 3 meters it will work, there would be some interference between the wires but to totally cancel a radio signal you'd have to use what's called a twisted pair where the wires are wrapped around each other with 2/3 wraps per inch. Give it a shot with the wires above ground and see what happens.

Nino Brown

andreac wrote: »

How can it be more cruel than getting shocked by a collar??

Its a lot safer and more secure for the dog, no risk of it getting out (dogs can still get out with a collar on) and getting run over by a car, getting attacked by neighbours dogs, wandering off etc, yeah its much safer alright :rolleyes:

Yes think we will have to disgree.

You're not getting it. My dog doesn't get shocked, he knows he cant cross the wire. Does your dog run into the side of the run all day?, I bet he doesn't because he knos he can't get through it. The fact is my dog suffers the same amount of pain everday as your dog except he has half and acre to run around. I admit he did get shocked a few times in his training days, but it didn't do him any harm and was better for him in the long run.

ISDW

There are a lot of issues with these collars.

If you dog does get out, theres no way on earth its going to chance the shock to get back in again. If the dog has a high prey drive, it will run through the shock to get at what it wants.

They don't stop other dogs coming into your property either.

They can also make dogs aggressive and attack people. An example, a child is walking past a property with an electric fence in place. The dog goes over, too close to the fence and gets a shock. Dogs are clever yes, but how does that dog know that its not the child that has just caused it pain? Result? Dog attacks child for hurting it. This scenario has happened a lot with these collars, not always childen, any passer by, ask any behaviourist in the country.

These collars have now been banned in Wales and a ban in the whole of the UK will probably soon follow. But of course we won't ban them because animal welfare isn't a very high priority here.

OP, can I please ask that you go to a stockist of these collars, put it on yourself and get a shock. See if you would like to inflict that onto your beloved pets.

mikom

andreac wrote: »

Ive seen these collars on dogs and see what they can do, so for that reason i would never put one on my dog and wouldnt recommend anyone else to do so, just my opinion and the safety and welfare of my dog always comes first and i would never risk an injury like this happening to him.

Don't put a collar on too tight so...... because that is all that is shown in the pic.
A buckle of a collar tightened against a dogs neck combined with rear leg scratching could cause a similar injury.
It has jack all to do with the electrical deterrent.
In fact that injury could happen with no battery installed in the unit at all.

German shepards wearing them here for up on 6 years, sheep across the road, no probs, neck or otherwise.

CreedonsDogDayc

OP please dont use a shock collar on your pet!!!! there are (cheaper) alternatives, and if god forbid anything went wrong (these are electronic devices, around your dogs NECK, in terrible irish weather) you wouldnt be able to live with yourself!!!

How about buying long washing line and attaching it to your dogs harness and your house? oh how about buying one of these http://cgi.ebay.ie/Gelert-Dog-Tether-Steel-Spike-Camping-Outdoor_W0QQitemZ140296585704QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?hash=item20aa5401e8 with this http://cgi.ebay.ie/BN-Stake-Spike-DOG-TIE-OUT-CABLE-Garden-Holiday-Outdoor_W0QQitemZ160414694979QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?var=&hash=item6b1a3aedf0#ht_3269wt_939 MUCH cheaper, and your dog doesnt get regular punishments for no reason!

If you bring your dogs for regular walks, they will be more than happy in an outdoor pen!

mikom

ISDW wrote: »

OP, can I please ask that you go to a stockist of these collars, put it on yourself and get a shock. See if you would like to inflict that onto your beloved pets.

While there don't forget to sample the dried dog food and lick your genitalia on your way out.

Alun

Wales is about to ban them, so there might be a good few second hand ones coming on the market real soon ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8317456.stm

peasant

Alun wrote: »

Wales is about to ban them, so there might be a good few second hand ones coming on the market real soon ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8317456.stm

A proposed ban on electric shock dog training devices in Wales

different kind of shock collar and they have been banned in several countries already

anyhow, here is my collected "wisdom" on radio fences
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56253784&postcount=7
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63161828&postcount=3

goat2

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

OP please dont use a shock collar on your pet!!!! there are (cheaper) alternatives, and if god forbid anything went wrong (these are electronic devices, around your dogs NECK, in terrible irish weather) you wouldnt be able to live with yourself!!!

How about buying long washing line and attaching it to your dogs harness and your house? oh how about buying one of these http://cgi.ebay.ie/Gelert-Dog-Tether-Steel-Spike-Camping-Outdoor_W0QQitemZ140296585704QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?hash=item20aa5401e8 with this http://cgi.ebay.ie/BN-Stake-Spike-DOG-TIE-OUT-CABLE-Garden-Holiday-Outdoor_W0QQitemZ160414694979QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?var=&hash=item6b1a3aedf0#ht_3269wt_939 MUCH cheaper, and your dog doesnt get regular punishments for no reason!

If you bring your dogs for regular walks, they will be more than happy in an outdoor pen!

i do bring dogs for regular walks
what is the alternative
long rope, tried that nearly choked to death on it as he jumped over something, and if i were not there he would have died a long slow death,
i have outdoor pen
need more than that
my pen is about 40 feet by 8 feet, cost a bomb to erect, but that is alright now and then, or when i am away from house for an hour or two
but the electric fence seems to be the only other option for 2 hours 2 times daily only, dont see any harm in that as they will not have collars on all the time

Nino Brown

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

OP please dont use a shock collar on your pet!!!! there are (cheaper) alternatives, and if god forbid anything went wrong (these are electronic devices, around your dogs NECK, in terrible irish weather) you wouldnt be able to live with yourself!!!

How about buying long washing line and attaching it to your dogs harness and your house? oh how about buying one of these http://cgi.ebay.ie/Gelert-Dog-Tether-Steel-Spike-Camping-Outdoor_W0QQitemZ140296585704QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?hash=item20aa5401e8 with this http://cgi.ebay.ie/BN-Stake-Spike-DOG-TIE-OUT-CABLE-Garden-Holiday-Outdoor_W0QQitemZ160414694979QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?var=&hash=item6b1a3aedf0#ht_3269wt_939 MUCH cheaper, and your dog doesnt get regular punishments for no reason!

If you bring your dogs for regular walks, they will be more than happy in an outdoor pen!

You do realise it's a 9 volt battery around the dogs neck, you're not hooking the dog up to the mains. What do you think is going to happen with 9volts??

Alun

Nino Brown wrote: »

You do realise it's a 9 volt battery around the dogs neck, you're not hooking the dog up to the mains. What do you think is going to happen with 9volts??

It's very easy with a bit of electronics to generate a lot more than 9 volts using a battery like that. Electric fences AFAIK use 12V car batteries as their power source for example.

Alun

peasant wrote: »

different kind of shock collar and they have been banned in several countries already

OK. I'd assumed the collars themselves were essentially the same, and that it was only the method of activating them that was different, i.e. a manual trigger as opposed to an automatic trigger caused by the dog passing over the perimeter wire.

Nino Brown

Alun wrote: »

It's very easy with a bit of electronics to generate a lot more than 9 volts using a battery like that. Electric fences AFAIK use 12V car batteries as their power source for example.

Yes but as voltage increases, current decreases there is nothing you could do with a 9v battery that will harm the dog. There simply is not enough power in 9V battery to harm the dog!! A 12volt lead acid battery is totally different from a 9v carbon zinc battery

crotalus667

Nino Brown wrote: »

Yes but as voltage increases, current decreases there is nothing you could do with a 9v battery that will harm the dog. There simply is not enough power in 9V battery to harm the dog!! A 12volt lead acid battery is totally different from a 9v carbon zinc battery

WRONG

Nino Brown

crotalus667 wrote: »

WRONG

Sorry my mistake, you could feed it to him?

crotalus667

Nino Brown wrote: »

Sorry my mistake, you could feed it to him?

it is more than enough to cause a violent contraction of the myofibrils leading to tearing and joint damage , that’s before you get into the pain that can be inflicted :rolleyes:

mikom

crotalus667 wrote: »

it is more than enough to cause a violent contraction of the myofibrils leading to tearing and joint damage , that’s before you get into the pain that can be inflicted :rolleyes:

So..... similar to a ground spike and teather?

Nino Brown

crotalus667 wrote: »

it is more than enough to cause a violent contraction of the myofibrils leading to tearing and joint damage , that’s before you get into the pain that can be inflicted :rolleyes:

9 volts still isn't enough to do what you're saying. The highest powered pet containment collars use .00053 joules, the pads people use to stimulate stomach muscles use 2 joules. There isn't that much of a difference between big dogs and people. The dog collar is far more unpleasant because the pulses are closer together but it's not going to damage joints. In normal operation the pain is the whole point, without pain there is no deterrent. In the unlikely event that the collar malfunctioned the dog would be in severe discomfort, but these devices are made to fail safe, and they wont shock for any longer than 30 seconds.

I'm starting feel like I'm selling these things, if you don't trust them don't buy them. But in normal operation they are harmless, painless and personally I've found them to be excellent.

goat2

Nino Brown wrote: »

9 volts still isn't enough to do what you're saying. The highest powered pet containment collars use .00053 joules, the pads people use to stimulate stomach muscles use 2 joules. There isn't that much of a difference between big dogs and people. The dog collar is far more unpleasant because the pulses are closer together but it's not going to damage joints. In normal operation the pain is the whole point, without pain there is no deterrent. In the unlikely event that the collar malfunctioned the dog would be in severe discomfort, but these devices are made to fail safe, and they wont shock for any longer than 30 seconds.

I'm starting feel like I'm selling these things, if you don't trust them don't buy them. But in normal operation they are harmless, painless and personally I've found them to be excellent.

i have tried every thing possible now within my power
and i feel this is the only option i have to keep my dogs off the road where there is plenty traffic, also now that you say you find them excellent in keeping them in a designated area, this is what i need, after all they will have half an acre to roam which mean they will have great fun, and after getting to know the way this work, in giving them a warning within five feet, they will be well able to avoid getting shocked, too many dogs have been killed on the road i live on. farmers can shoot dogs they find on their lands also, and i do not want my dogs worrying sheep or other farm animals
do you know anywhere i could obtain one second hand, .

Nino Brown

http://cgi.ebay.ie/UK-SPEC-PETSAFE-RADIO-DOG-FENCE-ELECTRIC-INVISIBLE_W0QQitemZ160416687449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?hash=item2559946559#ht_4123wt_993

They're actually quite reasonable new now. They were 400 euro when I got mine, here's 1 for 115 plus postage. If you have more that one dog you'll need an extra collar and maybe some more wire depending on the size of your land. I'd stick with petsafe, you could prob find cheaper ones but petsafe have a good reputation.

andreac

goat2 wrote: »

i have tried every thing possible now within my powerand i feel this is the only option i have to keep my dogs off the road where there is plenty traffic, also now that you say you find them excellent in keeping them in a designated area, this is what i need, after all they will have half an acre to roam which mean they will have great fun, and after getting to know the way this work, in giving them a warning within five feet, they will be well able to avoid getting shocked, too many dogs have been killed on the road i live on. farmers can shoot dogs they find on their lands also, and i do not want my dogs worrying sheep or other farm animals
do you know anywhere i could obtain one second hand, .

Sorry, but you havent. Fencing or a dog run would be a lot more safer than a radio fence.

Dogs can and still will escape from a garden even with a shock collar on. Ive seen it and heard about dogs doing so if they see something they really want to get at. They will bear the pain to get at something if they really want to and then once they get out they are reluctant to come back as they know they will get shocked, so this leaves your dog roaming loose, at risk of being stolen, run over or attacked.

These fences are not 100% reliable, safe or secure so i wouldnt not be using one esp if you are near a road where the dog could be run over.

goat2

Nino Brown wrote: »

http://cgi.ebay.ie/UK-SPEC-PETSAFE-RADIO-DOG-FENCE-ELECTRIC-INVISIBLE_W0QQitemZ160416687449QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Dogs?hash=item2559946559#ht_4123wt_993

They're actually quite reasonable new now. They were 400 euro when I got mine, here's 1 for 115 plus postage. If you have more that one dog you'll need an extra collar and maybe some more wire depending on the size of your land. I'd stick with petsafe, you could prob find cheaper ones but petsafe have a good reputation.

thank you so much for your help, will be purchasing this week

goat2

andreac wrote: »

Sorry, but you havent. Fencing or a dog run would be a lot more safer than a radio fence.

Dogs can and still will escape from a garden even with a shock collar on. Ive seen it and heard about dogs doing so if they see something they really want to get at. They will bear the pain to get at something if they really want to and then once they get out they are reluctant to come back as they know they will get shocked, so this leaves your dog roaming loose, at risk of being stolen, run over or attacked.

These fences are not 100% reliable, safe or secure so i wouldnt not be using one esp if you are near a road where the dog could be run over.

you are trying to make out i am cruel to animals
i have rescued two hedgehogs that i found out in november, and fed them cat food in my shed in the rabbit hutch for the winter, returned them to the wild in may, very happy, they reside under my shed now with a family of hedgehogs, i took in a rabbit who lived for 11 years in my house very happily, i also took in a cat that was thrown in a bonfire on november weekind 5 yrs ago, had her hair burnt off her, she live with us very happily still, i love animals, have also rescued birds, and another cat that was beaten to a pulp by some nasty person,
i have a run, it is too small, but handy when i go to town or for them th have their last toilet run at night before going to bed, another thing is i have always put a microwaveable hot water bottle in their bed every night and still do, they love it, they sleep in a big huge basket with big cushion and a fur not real fur blanket in my kitchen, and will always sleep there,
so now i do not want to hear this kind of crap, as i find it very hurtful, i am not cruel to my animals

andreac

Well in my opinion putting a collar around a dogs neck that gives it a shock is cruel and un necessary.

There are plenty of other humane ways to contain your dog but you havent even tried these methods, looks like the easy way out if you ask me and of course its the dog that suffers because of this.:mad:

Nino Brown

andreac wrote: »

Well in my opinion putting a collar around a dogs neck that gives it a shock is cruel and un necessary.

There are plenty of other humane ways to contain your dog but you havent even tried these methods, looks like the easy way out if you ask me and of course its the dog that suffers because of this.:mad:

In the lifetime of our dogs they will only spend a couple of seconds if that, actually getting shocked. Your dog will spend a huge portion of it's life locked up in a run. That's no life for any animal.

You say that a dog run is much safer for your dog, that's absolutely true. But you have to strike a balance, between safety and quality of life. If you think that your dog has an equal quality of life to dogs who are free run around a garden all day, you're living in a dream world.

My property is fenced, and gated. But dogs can go under fences and out through open gates, so they aren't the fortresses you seem to think they are.

If you had the option fo receiving a couple of static electricity shocks lasting a fraction of second and freedom, or no shocks and years locked in a cage what would you choose?

ISDW

I run a rescue for Siberian Huskies and Alaskam Malamutes. I had a phone call a couple of months ago from a woman looking for a dog. THey had two siberian huskies, one only 8 months old. They had a radio fence. It had worked brilliantly for the last couple of years. Then for some reason one day it didn't work anymore. Both dogs took off, into a field, shot by a farmer. First time ever they'd got out. The family were absolutely distraught, nobody said the dogs were worrying the livestock, but they were in the field, and the farmer shot them.

That family will never have a radio fence again.

goat2

andreac wrote: »

Well in my opinion putting a collar around a dogs neck that gives it a shock is cruel and un necessary.

There are plenty of other humane ways to contain your dog but you havent even tried these methods, looks like the easy way out if you ask me and of course its the dog that suffers because of this.:mad:

i have tried alot, then again it will be only 2 hours 2 times a day this collar will be on, otherwise they will be carried for their usual walk
be in the kitchen, or their run.

Satyr_The_Great

andreac wrote: »

Please think twice about using these collars, look at the link below and it might make you change your mind.

I would never,ever put up one of these fences or put any type of shock collar on my dog.:mad:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=141862&id=59639020615&ref=mf

Buy a dog run, they are much safer and secure and will not harm the dog in any way.

I use a radio fence for my dog and he is FINE...Not all of them are bad...Bad burns like the ones in the link you sent, are from the collar being set too high..The point of the collar is to train the dog to stay within its boundaries. A different level shock for different dogs. The point is to lower the setting so it is either on beep only or beep + the lowest setting...Beeping first, then the shock if doggy goes further...My dog doesnt go far enough to beep.. WHY? cause i have trained him with the collar properly....
OP, if you want to get a radio fence, then do so, when used properly, and instructions on the fence are followed, then you will have NO trouble what so ever. Like i said, I used one for my own dog so if you have any questions, send me a private message on here and I will help you out if I can..

goat2

Satyr_The_Great wrote: »

I use a radio fence for my dog and he is FINE...Not all of them are bad...Bad burns like the ones in the link you sent, are from the collar being set too high..The point of the collar is to train the dog to stay within its boundaries. A different level shock for different dogs. The point is to lower the setting so it is either on beep only or beep + the lowest setting...Beeping first, then the shock if doggy goes further...My dog doesnt go far enough to beep.. WHY? cause i have trained him with the collar properly....
OP, if you want to get a radio fence, then do so, when used properly, and instructions on the fence are followed, then you will have NO trouble what so ever. Like i said, I used one for my own dog so if you have any questions, send me a private message on here and I will help you out if I can..

thank you so much for your help in this, i guess i will have a very easy time training, they are six months old, i have them house trained just, i have them on a good walk every day, i have thought commands like, no, stay, and drop it, bedtime, in, out, and it is making life so easy, which means some of these commands will come in handy such as stay, and no when the first bleep goes off, they will learn very fast, since they understand these commands

kildara

ISDW wrote: »

I run a rescue for Siberian Huskies and Alaskam Malamutes. I had a phone call a couple of months ago from a woman looking for a dog. THey had two siberian huskies, one only 8 months old. They had a radio fence. It had worked brilliantly for the last couple of years. Then for some reason one day it didn't work anymore. Both dogs took off, into a field, shot by a farmer. First time ever they'd got out. The family were absolutely distraught, nobody said the dogs were worrying the livestock, but they were in the field, and the farmer shot them.

That family will never have a radio fence again.

I don't use one.

I know a woman who has her land fenced off. The dogs never escaped, then one day one of her dogs got through a hole in the fence and was hit by a car. They called the vet who took over 45 minutes to get to them (as they live in the country). The vet put the dog down there and then due to the injuries. The dog suffered terribly for the last (almost an hour) of its life.

She now puts a shock collar on her dogs and they wont cross the fence now. So one or two shocks in training means that the dogs wont suffer the same fate as this previous dog.

She will never be without a radio fence again.

goat2

kildara wrote: »

I don't use one.

I know a woman who has her land fenced off. The dogs never escaped, then one day one of her dogs got through a hole in the fence and was hit by a car. They called the vet who took over 45 minutes to get to them (as they live in the country). The vet put the dog down there and then due to the injuries. The dog suffered terribly for the last (almost an hour) of its life.

She now puts a shock collar on her dogs and they wont cross the fence now. So one or two shocks in training means that the dogs wont suffer the same fate as this previous dog.

She will never be without a radio fence again.

every one who use the radio fence, have given positive feedback
which means i will definately be getting it

Headshot

folks can anyone give me some advice

my parents jack Russell keeps going out on the road etc

can anyone recommend one of these fences thing for me

also are all wireless fences boundaries like this


ie circular, I want one that goes straight across ya know

goat2

Headshot wrote: »

folks can anyone give me some advice

my parents jack Russell keeps going out on the road etc

can anyone recommend one of these fences thing for me

also are all wireless fences boundaries like this


ie circular, I want one that goes straight across ya know

i have gone to the veternary supplies, and for the whole lot it is 275 euro, then there was an ad by someone in limerick selling the thing for 100 euro, i am waiting for them to get back to me, as i sent an email last night, if i do find out these are reliable and honest, i will let you know, that is when they contact me first

The Sweeper

I wouldn't use a radio collar.

If I was training my dog, and he didn't do something properly on command, I wouldn't belt him with a stick. I would simply start over until he got the idea.

So if I didn't want him to leave an area of my garden, I wouldn't threaten him and belt him with a stick the first time he walked over the boundary, then threaten him and belt him with a stick the second time he did it - and then think it was progress on the third attempt when just threatening him with the stick worked and I didn't have to belt him.

That's the premise that electric shock collars work on - I don't get how people think it's fine just because some random third party object is belting the dog instead of you yourself - so because you're not hurting him with your own hand, somehow it's okay that he gets hurt? How does that work?

If you saw a neighbour trying to teach a dog not to cross a boundary that was unfenced, and belting the dog every time he crossed it, would you report them to the ISPCA? Most of us would be horrified if we saw someone attempting to train a dog to do anything, and belting him when he got it wrong. It's generally accepted to be the wrong way to train the dog.

Don't kid yourself - electric shock collars are the very same thing, you just get off guilt free because you're not the one holding the stick.

A large amount of space isn't a substitute for a walk twice a day. I know dogs on 70 acres who spend their entire lives up at the house. Dogs are social creatures. They want to be with you and near you, or with and near each other in a multi-dog household. Very few breeds will walk the perimeter of your fenced property daily on their own (anatolian shepherds notwithstanding). They hang about, waiting for you to come out and walk them. They can do that hanging about quite comfortably in a well-constructed dog run with adequate shelter, and the dog run physically cannot be breached if they see something interesting in the distance - somewhere a radio fence is proven to fail.