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    #152
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 24,009 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    LOL. He didn't have a PRSI number either. Nor did he fly around the world on dem flying machine thingies.

    Just another feckin tax dodger, what a let down.:(


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    #153
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Rebelheart wrote: »
    He lost both his toes due to frostbite.
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    He only had the two to start with?


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    #154
    entropi
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 21,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭entropi


    /scans for the name Bono, or sneaky inclusion of Paul Hewson...not there!!:D

    Proper poll indeed:)


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    #155
    ironictoaster
    Registered Users Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭ironictoaster


    Parnell, uncrowned king of Ireland.


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    #156
    Scorpion Sting
    Registered Users Posts: 42,084 ✭✭✭✭Scorpion Sting


    I would've included Mr. Larry Mullen Jr. for creating the best rock band of all time.


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    #157
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Kevin Myers wrote: »
    It's probably himself.

    If I understand what Kevin Myers is saying then I agree.

    Arkle For President!


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    #158
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Frank Aiken. An example of what Ireland could do in the UN.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #159
    grenache
    Registered Users Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    It can only be the Big Fella. He managed to dismantle a system 700 years in the making in less than 5 years.


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    #160
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    grenache wrote: »
    It can only be the Big Fella. He managed to dismantle a system 700 years in the making in less than 5 years.

    I always imagined that we would have a had a vastly more progressive country not dominated by the Catholic Church if Collins had not being taken out.


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    #161
    Le King
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭Le King


    The great Parnell.


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    #162
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Dont forget your shoval. ;)


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    #163
    sbsquarepants
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    jebforever wrote: »
    I would've included Mr. Larry Mullen Jr. for creating the best rock band of all time.

    Larry mullen didn't form the e street band!


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    #164
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    grenache wrote: »
    It can only be the Big Fella. He managed to dismantle a system 700 years in the making in less than 5 years.

    Is that Michael Collins?

    What, you think he did it with one hand tied behind his back? You make it sound like he stopped Global Warming. I'm all for MC but lets get some perspective


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    #165
    El Siglo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Toss up between Robert Boyle and Arthur Wellesley, but Wellesley did beat Napoleon's Grand Armee!
    Stupid the way there was no; Beaufort, John Joly, George Boole, William Parsons, John Tyndall, William Thomson, or Ernest Walton on the RTÉ list. RTÉ is absolutely retarded, Stephen Gately was only on the list because of his death, yet there was no sign of Walton and he's the only Irish person to win a nobel prize in Physics. Fucking joke so it is, just goes to show you what's more important artsy fartsy shite and semtimentality, while actual achievement receives no recognition.


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    #166
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    Daniel O'Connell the first proper peaceful democratic attempt at furthering catholic (ie irish) rights and a forerunner to independence. did this pretty much singlehandedly too. plus he was great at the ol' monster meetings.


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    #167
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    El Siglo wrote: »
    ...Arthur Wellesley, but Wellesley did beat Napoleon's Grand Armee!

    He spent most of his life in service of the British Empire, so surely his claim is to be considered a Great Briton, no? Indeed, he finished 15th on the BBC's list of 2002.

    IMO, Ireland's greatest person should be a statesman/woman (in the Irish sense) or a scientist/inventor. Light entertainers and sports people have absolutely no place in a poll of this sort.


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    #168
    El Siglo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    O'Connell was a legend alright, but he did fuck the forty shilling freeholder over and that was the group that he campaigned for.
    I'm annoyed to Collins getting such a high rating, if for some reason he had lived longer and managed to reunify the North with the Free State then I'd be happy, but he didn't do that. He definitely didn't dismantle a system that had stood for 700 years, it took 100,000 soldiers to dismantle a system that had stood for 120 years.


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    #169
    El Siglo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    He spent most of his life in service of the British Empire, so surely his claim is to be considered a Great Briton, no? Indeed, he finished 15th on the BBC's list of 2002.

    IMO, Ireland's greatest person should be a statesman/woman (in the Irish sense) or a scientist/inventor. Light entertainers and sports people have absolutely no place in a poll of this sort.

    The same could be said about Pearse, Plunkett, Connolly et al., sure they were all British, British passports etc... Let's not be pedantic here!:D
    I do agree, sports people and light entertainers have no place in this sort of poll.


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    #170
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    El Siglo wrote: »
    The same could be said about Pearse, Plunkett, Connolly et al., sure they were all British, British passports etc... Let's not be pedantic here!:D

    They may have held British passports, but they served Ireland. Wellesley served the BE. I don't really care for a document they may have held.


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    #171
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    no way, sonny knowles all the way!

    yeah sonny is the man went to see a double header with him and syl fox. thats 2 hours of my life i wont get back...


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    #172
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Where's Padraig Nally?


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    #173
    El Siglo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    They may have held British passports, but they served Ireland. Wellesley served the BE. I don't really care for a document they may have held.

    Yes but up until 1921, we we're a fair part of that empire. Would you call the Irish fellas who died in WWI traitors, because they were fighting for Britain? They held British passports, that makes them British, regardless of where their they identified themselves as. Infairness, have we not gotten over the usual anti-brit stuff now, and at least claim that an Irish born, British general defeated Napoleon. Seriously, he beat the 19th century version of Hitler, that's a pretty big contribution by one man from this country, regardless of who he was fighting for.


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    #174
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,131 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    El Siglo wrote: »
    Yes but up until 1921, we we're a fair part of that empire. Would you call the Irish fellas who died in WWI traitors, because they were fighting for Britain? They held British passports, that makes them British, regardless of where their they identified themselves as. Infairness, have we not gotten over the usual anti-brit stuff now, and at least claim that an Irish born, British general defeated Napoleon. Seriously, he beat the 19th century version of Hitler, that's a pretty big contribution by one man from this country, regardless of who he was fighting for.

    Who's talking about traitors and treason? Or anti-Britishness.

    I'm just talking about great Irish people having served Ireland or furthered the Irish cause. Is it too difficult for you to grasp?

    My own father served in the Royal Navy in WWII. He wasn't forced to go. He went out of a sense of duty to a cause. The Irish State, such as it was, remained neutral. But what my father did he did for the causes of freedom and democracy, not for the Irish state.

    So don't start with the anti-Brit stuff now.


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    #175
    Flying Abruptly
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Flying Abruptly


    Personally I voted for Michael Collins but I'm actually really suprised not to see DeValera on the list, surely one of the most influential people in Irish history in the last century.


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    #176
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Flying Abruptly wrote: »
    Personally I voted for Michael Collins but I'm actually really suprised not to see DeValera on the list, surely one of the most influential people in Irish history in the last century.

    Yeah, and no Arkle.:rolleyes:

    Poor Henry Gratten. Billy no Mates


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    #177
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Biggins wrote: »
    :pac:

    I'm sure he did. :D

    eh unlikely, he was a corkman after all - murphys or beamish :p


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    #178
    sron
    Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭sron


    Nulty wrote: »
    Yeah, and no Arkle.:rolleyes:

    Poor Henry Gratten. Billy no Mates

    I gave him a vote so that with a few more he might make it ahead of Van Morrison. He was a fine man for the auld oratory though.


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    #179
    Rebelheart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Rebelheart


    El Siglo wrote: »
    Would you call the Irish fellas who died in WWI traitors, because they were fighting for Britain?

    Yes, yes indeed. At best, at very, very best, they were profoundly misguided. The fact that over 10,000 Irish Volunteers stayed in Ireland rather than fight for the British Empire, the most powerful empire in the world, says it all.


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    #180
    Rebelheart
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    El Siglo wrote: »
    Toss up between Robert Boyle and Arthur Wellesley, but Wellesley did beat Napoleon's Grand Armee!

    Yeah, much better to support destruction rather than creation, as long as the former is doing it for the British Empire and all its remarkably moderate aims such as controlling 25% of the planet earth.

    Ah yeah.


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    #181
    Biggins
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    El Siglo wrote: »
    ...I'm annoyed to Collins getting such a high rating, if for some reason he had lived longer and managed to reunify the North with the Free State then I'd be happy, but he didn't do that. He definitely didn't dismantle a system that had stood for 700 years, it took 100,000 soldiers to dismantle a system that had stood for 120 years.

    He only took control of those soldiers, organised their training, organised their arming, organised the tactics that they would be using to take on the British Empire, organised the organisations very effective intelligence gathering methods, organised also part of the monetary funding to keep it all going, organised the civilians (saboteurs) in peaceful disruption of the then British procedures within Ireland, etc...

    ..and that was only one side to him. Orator, eventual state representative on the world stage, and so, so on...

    He definitely didn't do it all alone but by god, he was the right person at the right time, doing a job which by god, was done right.
    We have a building in Dublin called The Dail and the reason its there is greatly down to his efforts more so than a lot of others - including Éamon de Valera.
    That is in no way whatsoever to take away from their efforts too it should be said.

    Others on the list are just as important to the state in other ways so it all boils down to peoples preferences in what they consider to be more important to them.


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