New Kilkenny paper

pueblo

Anyone heard anything about a new Kilkenny paper 'The Kilkenny Reporter'?

Ravage1616

First I've heard of it! I don't think theres much of a market in Kilkenny for a another paper!

catbear

I heard there's a few retired ex KP involved, haven't a scooby what it's about after that.

Purry Cat

Gonna be a free paper, apparently. The brainchild of the Kilkenny Alive people - ie Jimmy Rhatigan and Sean Hurley.

The news will be welcomed by everyone. I mean, how have we managed to survive without our regular diet of "Right On Rhatigan" since the Voice popped its clogs?

A great day for Kilkenny - and for journalism - beckons! :cool:

Raze_them_all

can't really see it surviving if the voice didn't but good luck to them

fabbydabby

I'm an Advertiser man anyway. Through the door every friday, regular as clockwork and after your 20 minutes on the bowl browsing for the hot girls you have free firelighters for the week.

Captain Havoc

I get all my local news here on boards. If it ain't on boards it really can't be worth putting onto paper. Since I got my new phone (which I'm using now) I don't bother with newspapers as I can take this into the jacksie with me anyway I do wish Jimmy Rhatigan well though as he is a very nice man.

pueblo

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I get all my local news here on boards. If it ain't on boards it really can't be worth putting onto paper. Since I got my new phone (which I'm using now) I don't bother with newspapers as I can take this into the jacksie with me anyway I do wish Jimmy Rhatigan well though as he is a very nice man.

Hence the worldwide demise of the print media.

Dan Chipowski

I can't see this having much success......no need for a second (even third) paper.

Raze_them_all

pueblo wrote: »

Hence the worldwide demise of the print media.

that and print media usually only offers one line of opinion,online you get to read the comments under it and different opinions

thetonynator

you saw what happened to the voice . . .couldnt even survive as a free paper . . .

countrymary

thetonynator wrote: »

you saw what happened to the voice . . .couldnt even survive as a free paper . . .

And is this one free? And what about that woeful magazine Kat's Eye? Is that still going? The layout is dire and the content worse.
I wish the Kilkenny Reporter well, but I live down the South of the county and it won't get that far anyway.
The KP is so useless now, reprinting press releases and such, that another player on the field is welcome.

Threadhead

Jimmy Rhatigan needs somewhere to write his weekly columns about dogs who drink pints and batty old women who lived near him when he was a wee lad.

This is the only purpose this new paper will be designed for.

fabbydabby

Heh, yeah.

Purry Cat

Threadhead wrote: »

Jimmy Rhatigan needs somewhere to write his weekly columns about dogs who drink pints and batty old women who lived near him when he was a wee lad.

This is the only purpose this new paper will be designed for.

Harsh! But oh so true...

countrymary

And what about Mrs Murphy's knickers? Wasn't that some of the codology that he engaged in too?
Load of ****e, but those auld lads have a lot of newpaper experience behind them too.

Purry Cat

countrymary wrote: »

And what about Mrs Murphy's knickers? Wasn't that some of the codology that he engaged in too?
Load of ****e, but those auld lads have a lot of newpaper experience behind them too.

Well remembered! But it's also the same "lot of newspaper experience" that led to an infamous front page story that the Kilkenny Voice never recovered from...

Raze_them_all

Purry Cat wrote: »

Well remembered! But it's also the same "lot of newspaper experience" that led to an infamous front page story that the Kilkenny Voice never recovered from...

what front page??

fabbydabby

God yeah, I remember that episode, people were boycotting it and all.

What was it about again?

countrymary

Purry Cat wrote: »

Well remembered! But it's also the same "lot of newspaper experience" that led to an infamous front page story that the Kilkenny Voice never recovered from...

Absolutely. Experience, of course, does not necessarily imply intelligence or the ability to judge a readership. People are not interested in the codology (who ever read that column really?) and are much more principled than anyone who ever worked for the Voice gave them credit for.
I meant that they get the stories and have loads of contacts. What they do with that is another thing. When is it coming out?

Threadhead

The next time a dog drinks a pint, Richie Kavanagh has a gig in Kilkenny or The Sceilp Inn has a table quiz, this new paper will appear on shelves, as if out of thin air.

Purry Cat

fabbydabby wrote: »

God yeah, I remember that episode, people were boycotting it and all.

What was it about again?

Some guy committed suicide after apparently carrying out a really violent sexual assault on a girl up the Castle Road one night. The Voice not only led with the story on the front page, they put a massive pic of yer man with it - the same pic his family had given them for a death notice!

Classy, eh?

Raze_them_all

****in hell, classy

fabbydabby

Some guy committed suicide after apparently carrying out a really violent sexual assault on a girl up the Castle Road one night. The Voice not only led with the story on the front page, they put a massive pic of yer man with it - the same pic his family had given them for a death notice!

Oh I remember that now. Raze his the nail on the head with his appraisal.

The next time a dog drinks a pint, Richie Kavanagh has a gig in Kilkenny or The Sceilp Inn has a table quiz, this new paper will appear on shelves, as if out of thin air.

Doesn't Jimmy Rhatigan teach journalism classes or something?

fabbydabby

Hmmm, I can't find anything online about that, but i DID find this:

Captain Havoc

"Exactly what a woman was doing driving a car is as of yet, unkown" :eek:

I know JR is a nice guy but writting that sort of thing can get you into deep soup. I think he has a website at the moment (kilkenny alive?) for those who miss him.

There's absolutely no need to have the people, advertiser, kats eyes (or what ever it's called) plus online media. We only have 30,000 odd in the city and <100,000 in the county. Out of curiosity, how many people here buy the people?

Threadhead

I'd buy the People pretty much every week, despite the absolute disgrace that is that paper's editor Sean Keane (I had heard from a very reliable source that he was behind a very unpleasant front page picture published in 2008 but I've been since been PM'd that he may not have been full time editor at the time so I'll reserve vitriol). It's like having Senator Joseph McCarthy in charge of our local paper (scaremonger! lie! gossip!) Hell, he's even given himself an 'alter ego' called 'The Insider' for his glorified gossip column. Despite the rag like levels he tries to stoop to on a weekly basis there remains some fine journalists doing good work there, particularly Tess Felder and Katharine Blake.

The Advertiser comes in the post every Friday and it's grand for a read with a cup of tea. John Cleere's column is always quality.

I stopped reading Kilkenny Alive when they stopped making an effort. Obviously the whole 'tinterweb' thing didn't work too well for Jimmy and Sean.

But no, we definitely do not need a new paper in Kilkenny.

Fair play to fabbydabby for dragging up a classic dog drinking a pint article from Jimmy Rhatigan. However, I have to stress, this was not a one off article. On a monthly basis (or so it seemed) Jimmy Rhatigan would have full page columns about dogs drinking pints. It's like he spent his day looking for the things. As long as dogs drink pints, Jimmy Rhatigan will write about them.

fabbydabby

Yeah Cleere Thinking is usually worth a read alright.

fabbydabby

By the way, just in case people (Captain Havoc) get the wrong idea, that article screenshot was an hilarious gag on my part for the day that's in it.

Here's the original:

http://www.kilkennyalive.com/story/lost-dog-has-just-been-found

Threadhead

Top stuff!

What got me was that the dog in question wasn't drinking a pint. He's still a cutie though.

Purry Cat

Threadhead wrote: »

I'd buy the People pretty much every week, despite the absolute disgrace that is that paper's editor Sean Keane (he responsible for the corpse on the cover disgrace from 2008, much worse in my opinion, than the aforementioned Kilkenny Voice scandal, bad as that was). It's like having Senator Joseph McCarthy in charge of our local paper (scaremonger! lie! gossip!) Hell, he's even given himself an 'alter ego' called 'The Insider' for his glorified gossip column. Despite the rag like levels he tries to stoop to on a weekly basis there remains some fine journalists doing good work there, particularly Tess Felder and Katharine Blake.


Correction, Threadhead! The editor of the People is not the one and only Sean Keane, whose career guidance teacher has much to answer for (and correct about that awful Insider column of his, in which he even mentions Sean Keane from time to time), but Brian Keyes. And the editor before that was Tom Molloy, now a business hack with the Indo, who was the man responsible for that pic of the corpse on the front page.

But you're right, Tess Felder isn't bad, even if Katharine Blake cannot write a profile to save her life. And yep, I like John Cleere in the Advertiser too!

Threadhead

I stand corrected on the Sean Keane/editor thing. I was entirely under the impression that it were he. I guess that shows how much I read what he writes in the KK People. I should start reading the editorial again.

I think this stems from the furore around the photo at which point he was the man who issued the apology. And as I said, a horses mouth told me he had dealings with it at the time, but his was not the final call. So my apologies for that one.

I still think he's an absolute hack and the perfect example of what can happen when you give an idiot a pen and a forum on which to write.

Like me!

Captain Havoc

Damn you fabbydabby, you better sleep like this:

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

fabbydabby

In case i wake up like this :eek: to see this :mad: in front of me?

thetonynator

get the people most weeks but its fairly sh!te to be honest, although the sport section is usually interesting enough . . .
read the living part once, it's so full of complete utter bullsh!t!!!

Pittens

As long as dogs drink pints, Jimmy Rhatigan will write about them.

Lol.

No idea why I came into this thread, since I am not from KK. But that was worth the entry :-)

Purry Cat

Just saw the new paper. Not bad at all. Looks good, nicely laid out and even has a few property ads.

And of course Jimmy Rhatigan remains Jimmy Rhatigan. Not only has he the inevitable column about the "characters" of Kilkenny years ago(zzz), there's a front page thing claiming a Kilkenny guy is gonna star in a Hollywood film. Turn to the piece inside and it turns out there MIGHT be a film made which MIGHT feature a guy from Kilkenny - ie the producer has INTIMATED to yer man that there might be a part in it for him.

Still, never let the facts get in the way, eh Jimmy..?!

Oddly enough, no dogs drinking pints anywhere within the paper. What a letdown!

the ostrich

I've had a four figure sum at even money, with a prominent high street bookie, that this sad outfit will fold within 2 years. Absolutely no chance of survival long term.

Purry Cat

the ostrich wrote: »

I've had a four figure sum at even money, with a prominent high street bookie, that this sad outfit will fold within 2 years. Absolutely no chance of survival long term.

He only gave you evens???!!!

What I'd like to know is whether the Recorder has any investors. If it has it stands at least some chance of surviving. If not, then two years is being very optimistic...

JoseJones

Purry Cat wrote: »

Oddly enough, no dogs drinking pints anywhere within the paper. What a letdown!

There is a story about every dog getting their own pooper scooper with a picture of one of the happy customers grinning from ear to ear.

Threadhead

For lovers of dogs and Jimmy Rhatigan there is a new paper to cater for your needs.

For people who want news and info about Kilkenny, there is the Kilkenny People and Kilkenny Advertiser.

countrymary

The Kilkenny Reporter looks great, but the pint-drinking dogs and Mrs Murphy's knickers are sadly lacking. The three of them will be knackered keeping up the Top Ten thing every week, people features and the rest.
The People is gone to hell and I thought Keane was the editor too because there is no sign of any editor doing anything. Do they not have sub-editors at all? The press releases going in verbatim from the politicians is a holy show.
When was the last time any of them actually got a story, even a very small, local one?

Dan Jaman

I was reasonably impressed with the new paper when I found it in the Kilkenny Advertiser bin last week - a bit cheeky of them, that. Still, if they publish an odd pic of mine I'll continue to pick up a free copy now and again. As far as long-term survival goes, it all depends on how much ad revenue they get in - the KP and the KA get the bulk of that, but if the sales bloke is good, the rates reasonable and the readership verifiable, it might do ok.

femur61

Thought the quality of the paper looked great. Colour pictures which the KKP got rid of late.

catbear

Ten years ago I discussed with a journo friend the idea of a free newspaper in Kilkenny, I'd seen the Galway advertiser and thought it could work here. Anyway I quickly forgot about it as I continued to career from career to career, but it's funny to see that Kilkenny is on its third free paper now.

The future of the print media is bleak, the Reporter is really going to have to do something unique to survive in this small pool. There really is not a lot in it. It has only one hope and that is to wrestle business from the KPeople.

KatCookie

I like this newspaper, different style from the KP or the advertiser, some kind of random articles about a Czech boy and wallpapering, not too sure who its aimed at though, Hope it lasts for a while anyways!

Threadhead

I got it for the first time yesterday. I'm not into Andrew McGuinness's soapbox column and Jimmy Rhatigan is waffling about old people as usual but all in all, I like their whole 'optimistic news' buzz that they've got going on. Makes a change.

mousehouse

Is this paper still going. I live on patrick street and have never had it through my door. I got it once in esquires cafe and that was it. never seen it again;.

Dan Jaman

It's certainly still going as of last week - I haven't picked up this week's yet.

spikeprint

The problem with Kilkenny papers is they all follow the same boring format. News, courts, fashion, entertainment, property, agriculture and sport. None have the balls to try something more specialised. I wrote for some of them, and they all did the same thing. Kilkenny is far too small unless you can do something really special that will garner peoples attention.

I agree, the Advertiser is the best of them all, by a long shot.

patrickc

Dan Jaman wrote: »

It's certainly still going as of last week - I haven't picked up this week's yet.

still going it is, I'm doing an interview for it soon