Place Pots - as and when

mike65

This is a log for place pots when I spot an opportunity.

Today Kelso, selections by 2 pm.

Race 1 Dr Livingstone n/r & Coastley place
Race 2 Bene Lad place
Race 3 Houston Dynimo n/r & New Tricks unplaced
Race 4 Blacks Bridge unplaced
Race 5 Zaffarella unplaced & Young Buddy place
Race 6 My Final Bid unplaced & Quotica De Poya place

Two very late withdrawls! :mad:

thedini

Mike, when there are non-runners your selection reverts to the sp fav. or when there are joint sp favs, the fav. with lowest no.
Dr Livingstone ran but didn't place.
Houston's Dynimo was a nr, there were joint fav's so your selection reverted to Lightening Rod which actually won.

mike65

Cheers for that, pity about Blacks Bridge dissapointing so badly.

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Its amazing how difficult it is to get a Placepot up. I have a theory that it would be easier with 3 or 4 people because each person will hopefully be looking at it in a different light and will have different info etc. How about we get a few posters interested and they only give one horse each.
Mike can pick the meeting and the first 2 horses in whatever races and leave the rest of the card to the intelligence of the crowd.

mike65

The Kelso placepot paid 125 quid, would have been handy for a 1.50 stake.

Interesting notion I supect we'd end up with only about 3 pickers though!

Kod-box

Excuse my ignorance lads but ive never done a placepot, might do one for the 2 meetings on ATR tomorrow.

Can you do them online, on the PP site?

How exactly do they work, just pick a horse from each race to be placed?

mike65

Exactly so, the more horses you pick the more the bet costs (minimum stake is 10c per horse) you pick from the first 6 races. Some cards have an "easy" shape to them, Kelsos above being an example, others are near impossible but the prize will be much bigger if you find a place in every race.

http://www.paddypower.com/racing/tote

Kod-box

Nice one, will give it a go tomorrow for a bit of interest.

thedini

mike65 wrote: »

The Kelso placepot paid 125 quid, would have been handy for a 1.50 stake.

Interesting notion I supect we'd end up with only about 3 pickers though!

a placepot at cheltenham last week paid over 41k.

mike65

Quell surprise!

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mike65 wrote: »

The Kelso placepot paid 125 quid, would have been handy for a 1.50 stake.

Interesting notion I supect we'd end up with only about 3 pickers though!

3 is plenty.

mike65

Anyone fancy Hereford? 6 races 3 handicaps, two novice hurdles and a hunters chase. They don't look too bad. The other jumps cards have a lot of non runners and a couple of very small fields so only one place.

Race 1 Gamesters Lady & Woodcraft
Race 2 Merry Music & Kahsabelle
Race 3 Williams Wishes & Mostly Bob
Race 4 Five Out Of Five
Race 5 Overlaw
Race 6 Roby De Cimbre & Lady Myfanwy

mike65

bump

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3.40.....William's Wishes (IRE)
Comfortably off the mark over 2½m at Worcester in September and at least respectable efforts under his penalty since. Shorter trip no problem and leading claims if fully wound up after a break.

He looks a banker for me since he ran well fresh last time.

4.50.....Overlaw
Much improved of late, winning impressively over C&D prior to following up at Market Rasen recently. Good jumper who will be tough to beat on hat-trick bid under a penalty.

Looks another obvious banker.

3.05 Mujamead
Front runner who won handicap hurdle at Leicester in 2008/9 for Tony Carroll. Form tailed off over jumps since, including for new stable latest start. Tried visored now (has won in cheekpieces).

Big outsider but stable had a winner yesterday and first time cheek pieces might do the trick. 25/1 ish on Betfair

mike65

re Mujamead, last winning mark was 111 in a Class 3 now 90 on Class 5, that they are attaching various headgear for a second time is a bit concerning.

Money coming for Skip The Present in same race 13.00 to 8.00 but hard to make a case for him

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mike65 wrote: »

re Mujamead, last winning mark was 111 in a Class 3 now 90 on Class 5, that they are attaching various headgear for a second time is a bit concerning.

Money coming for Skip The Present in same race 13.00 to 8.00 but hard to make a case for him

Cheek pieces might be worth 2 stone 2nd time round..... the first time the horse had them on he was probably going.... WTF!... now he will go.... OH YEAH! ............ do you know nothing about how horses think!! ....... lol

mike65

Here is the placepot dividends for hereford in recent years, mixed.
http://placepot.tote-betting.net/racecourse/hereford.php

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mike65 wrote: »

Here is the placepot dividends for hereford in recent years, mixed.
http://placepot.tote-betting.net/racecourse/hereford.php

You usually need one or 2 of the bankers beat to get a big payout.

mike65

I've gone with my picks above, total stake €1.76

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mike65 wrote: »

Anyone fancy Hereford? 6 races 3 handicaps, two novice hurdles and a hunters chase. They don't look too bad. The other jumps cards have a lot of non runners and a couple of very small fields so only one place.

Race 1 Gamesters Lady & Woodcraft
Race 2 Merry Music & Kahsabelle
Race 3 Williams Wishes & Mostly Bob
Race 4 Five Out Of Five
Race 5 Overlaw
Race 6 Roby De Cimbre & Lady Myfanwy

Still in with 2 to come.......... hmmmmmm

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http://club.totesport.com/totepoolLiveInfo/Java/index.htm

You can work out what it is likely to pay with this link if you like.

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Nice one............

mike65

w00t!

No money in my PP account yet!

x PyRo

Well done Mike, how much will it pay ?.

mike65

Dunno yet. The prices of the horses that placed were

Race 1 Gamesters Lady 1.73 & Woodcraft 15.00
Race 2 Merry Music & Kahsabelle 7.00
Race 3 Williams Wishes 2.75 & Mostly Bob 3.00
Race 4 Five Out Of Five 3.00
Race 5 Overlaw 2.63
Race 6 Roby De Cimbre & Lady Myfanwy 6.50

I have no idea how its worked out esp if two/three picks place.

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3153.91 Winning Tickets....
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£17.2 Dividend

£54247.252
Total Paid Out

£74563
Total Pool

£20315.748
Stolen by the Tote?

Jeez they don't half get ther arm in.........

mike65

The Hereford tote for this card in previous years has been a small payout, oh well.

As for the totes take maybe they are still paying off Ernst and Young

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mike65 wrote: »

Dunno yet. The prices of the horses that placed were

Race 1 Gamesters Lady 1.73 & Woodcraft 15.00
Race 2 Merry Music & Kahsabelle 7.00
Race 3 Williams Wishes 2.75 & Mostly Bob 3.00
Race 4 Five Out Of Five 3.00
Race 5 Overlaw 2.63
Race 6 Roby De Cimbre & Lady Myfanwy 6.50

I have no idea how its worked out esp if two/three picks place.

The prices don't really matter. Its depends on how many people have picked the horse in the PlacePot. Going into the last race there was about 5k left in the pool from an original 75k......... about 3k of that survived and I thought the pay out would be about £25 quid. I didn't realise the Tote take almost 30% of it as commission...!!

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Well it was still a win........

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Any placepot fancies today?

mike65

Ayr would be pretty straighforward if everyone jumps but the returns would be pathetic. Ludlow looks the most interesting in terms of finding places and getting a return, two tricky small fields though

Race 1 Bundle Up & Royal Rainbow
Race 2 First Point (only one place to play for)
Race 3 Key Cutter & Bobble Hat Bob
Race 4 The Snail
Race 5 Cloudy Spirit & Isabelonabicycle
Race 6 Cedrus Libani & Predateur

Here is a Ludlow placepot article I just spotted

Bets placed.

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Still in after 4 races, keep going.
There was 60k in the pot and its now down to about 4.5k with 2 races to come..
so I reckon its paying about £13 quid at the minute.......... you need your outsiders to get in and the favs beat for a good payout.


5 up!!

thedini

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Still in after 4 races, keep going.
There was 60k in the pot and its now down to about 4.5k with 2 races to come..
so I reckon its paying about £13 quid at the minute.......... you need your outsiders to get in and the favs beat for a good payout.


5 up!!

?, he was beaten after the second race.

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Off and running
Murphy's Cardinal nearly fell at the first, he's got it all to do now
Silver Adonis a terrible mistake
Cedrus Libani setting decent pace
Predateur lies second
Smart Boy Prince third
these three have gone off quickly
Enitsag makes mistake
Cedrus Libani leads
Predateur lies second
Smart Boy Prince third
they're well strung out
must be 35ls first to last
Murphy's Cardinal & Prelude D'Estruval cant win from there, they're a mile off the pace
Cedrus Libani leads
Predateur lies second
Smart Boy Prince has dropped 12ls off them
Murphy's Cardinal & Prelude D'Estruval been pulled-up
Cedrus Libani leads
Predateur lies second
Enitsag & Give Me Love toiling
Cedrus Libani & Predateur well clear
Silver Adonis third
Cedrus Libani going well
Cedrus Libani leads
Predateur lies second
Silver Adonis 25ls off them in third, the rest can be forgotten about
Cedrus Libani leads
Predateur lies second
Silver Adonis attempting to close

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Nice ... but Predateur fell, but it mist pay £30 odd quids........

thedini

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Nice ... but Predateur fell, but it mist pay £30 odd quids........

sigh, he lost in the second race.

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thedini wrote: »

?, he was beaten after the second race.

Jeez all that sweating for nothing..............

mike65

:pac:

I feared that damned second race would kill me....still only buttons again.

mike65

Donny place pot could be quite big.

Not bothering, that 3.40 race is a total lottery.

Nulty

Wolverhampton tonight

18:50(GMT) Miss Firefly 2nd
19:20(GMT) Duke Of Rainford 2nd Great judge of pace, maybe left it too late for the win
19:50(GMT) Tous Les Deux 2nd
20:20(GMT) Hulcote Rose 1st
20:50(GMT) Bakongo 1st
21:20(GMT) Birkside 3rd Got hampered on the turn and had to checl slightly. not bad

Nulty

nice bit of business

It'll be tiny me thinks. I'll post

awhir

Nulty wrote: »

nice bit of business

It'll be tiny me thinks. I'll post

how much did you put on it ?

Nulty

I dont fucking believe it. I'm onto PP live help right now. My bet wasn't processed.

I had £2 on it. Not much but it pays £17.30 or something.

I'm pretty pissed off right now

EDIT:

Thats ****ing €40!

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ffs man............ youre soo unlucky.

Nulty

OK I definitely got a receipt for this one. Damn, im still pissed about that! I was quite confident last time, not so much this time but I'll give it a go.

Newcastle Placepot

14:10(GMT) Darcy's Pride
14:40(GMT) Souter's Sister
15:10(GMT) Nimue
15:40(GMT) Tinseltown
16:10(GMT) Quest For Succe'
16:40(GMT) Quiet Mountain

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The only problem with placepots is if say 10 people follow you on that one the payout will be reduced if it wins?

Nulty

it depends on the popularity of the placed horses. Theoretically the most popular are the favorites. If 60% of the pool have just the favorite in a single race and the favorite doesnt get placed then they are knocked out. eventually who ever is left shares the pot based on the amount they paid per line.

Nulty

you bound to sharre it with someone. so long as a couple of favorites aren't placed and you make to the end, its not a bad payout

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Nulty wrote: »

you bound to sharre it with someone. so long as a couple of favorites aren't placed and you make to the end, its not a bad payout

Yeah, but say theres £5000 in the pool and you put up your selections and they win, if 10 people follow you and 10 more get it up the dividend would be say £250. Have you not lost £250 by posting them?

Nulty

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Yeah, but say theres £5000 in the pool and you put up your selections and they win, if 10 people follow you and 10 more get it up the dividend would be say £250. Have you not lost £250 by posting them?

I would be surprised if someone decided they would follow my placepot blindly. If they are brave/stupid enough to then they'll get what they deserve i guess. Im not going to worry my self aboout it tbh.

Had a €5 on quiet mountain there though. Nicely done with a big drift

Speak Now

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Yeah, but say theres £5000 in the pool and you put up your selections and they win, if 10 people follow you and 10 more get it up the dividend would be say £250. Have you not lost £250 by posting them?

No the bookies in ireland just pay out on the declared dividend, i'm sure they don't actually contribute your bet to the Tote pool in U.K.