[RULES QUESTIONS]Any questions or are unsure about anything, ask here before posting.

Steve

Lemming wrote: »

But when the seller is challenged and shown how much they paid for an item; purchased second hand off someone else on boards.ie (which is what happened to thermo), I would consider their behaviour to be in incredibly poor taste & very much against the spirit of the charter, if not the absolute letter of the definition on profiteering.

I disagree, we would need a specific rule to cover that.
In the cases cited above, neither was a breach of the profiteering rule.

When a seller is challenged in this situation, they can withdraw the item but it's their choice.
Technically if someone challenges them (unless they are using the previous sale as evidence to justify an offer) then it would constitute threadspoiling.

Best practice is, and this is current policy on adverts.ie, for the post to be reported so an uninvolved mod can post a link to the previous sale. After that it is up to potential buyers to determine how much the item is worth and how much they should offer.

ShadowFox

Steve wrote: »

I disagree, we would need a specific rule to cover that.
In the cases cited above, neither was a breach of the profiteering rule.

When a seller is challenged in this situation, they can withdraw the item but it's their choice.
Technically if someone challenges them (unless they are using the previous sale as evidence to justify an offer) then it would constitute threadspoiling.

Best practice is, and this is current policy on adverts.ie, for the post to be reported so an uninvolved mod can post a link to the previous sale. After that it is up to potential buyers to determine how much the item is worth and how much they should offer.

Again i have to ask then why was dryndantheman banned for a week ????

Steve

grapeape wrote: »

Again i have to ask then why was dryndantheman banned for a week ????

Official answer:
Only the mod concerned can answer that, it's not my place to analyse the actions of another mod in a public thread nor is it yours to campaign on this thread on behalf of another user - there are avenues of appeal open that can question any mod action on this site.

Non-official answer:
If we believe that someone is acting against the spirit of the forum then rules or no rules it is within our remit to remove their access. Mostly this works well but there are exceptions and, as we're all human, we don't always get it right 100% of the time. This it why there are channels for appeal and why we have cmods and admins that we are answerable to.

ShadowFox

Steve wrote: »

Official answer:
Only the mod concerned can answer that, it's not my place to analyse the actions of another mod in a public thread nor is it yours to campaign on this thread on behalf of another user - there are avenues of appeal open that can question any mod action on this site.

Non-official answer:
If we believe that someone is acting against the spirit of the forum then rules or no rules it is within our remit to remove their access. Mostly this works well but there are exceptions and, as we're all human, we don't always get it right 100% of the time. This it why there are channels for appeal and why we have cmods and admins that we are answerable to.

Official Answer: Im not campaigning for anyone Im trying to get an answer to my question is there one rule for MODs and another for the rest of us
Non-official answer: A MOD and a non MOD did the same thing both even gave the same argument but one gats banned and the other doesnt CMODs need to bring up their game and get someone to MOD the MODs here as its looking very bad as you steve admitted yourself on the feedback thread Ill leave it at that till the next time because it doesnt look like ill get actions to prove what you say that the same rules apply to us all

I Armour I

Hey I did a quick search and couldn't find anything:

If I create a wanted thread for let's say a pistol & I'm willing to offer cash OR trade for it. Can I put the link of my forsale/trade thread of what I have to trade ?

Steve

No problem there as long as you're prudent about promptly keeping people on both threads informed if you make a deal on the other.

I Armour I

Brilliant just wanted to be certain in case I was doing anything wrong

S.E.A.L.s

Please advise, what does "first refusal" actually mean here?

Any advice would be much appreciated

ShadowFox

SEALs_Ireland wrote: »

Please advise, what does "first refusal" actually mean here?

Any advice would be much appreciated

first to offer asking gets first refusal or lesser amount that seller agrees to it

S.E.A.L.s

grapeape wrote: »

first to offer asking gets first refusal or lesser amount that seller agrees to it

So if I've offered asking and was first in line, I should the item(s)

Is that correct?

ShadowFox

SEALs_Ireland wrote: »

So if I've offered asking and was first in line, I should the item(s)

Is that correct?

Going by the rules here yes first to offer asking price without condition gets first refusal

Steve

grapeape wrote: »

first to offer asking gets first refusal or lesser amount that seller agrees to it

This.

BLUEBIRD39

Where abouts on the rules does it advise you on bumping?

thermo

BLUEBIRD39 wrote: »

Where abouts on the rules does it advise you on bumping?

here

No excessive bumping.

Bumping is posting something pointless in your thread in order to push it back to the top of the listing in the adverts forum.

You may not 'bump' sooner than 24 hours after your last post on the thread.

Any post is considered bumping except for the following:
Posting a price drop. (It must be an actual real price drop, i.e. not a drop from €10 to €9.99.. mods reserve the right to judge this)
Answering a question asked by another user.
Accepting an offer or negotiating a deal.
Posting more information about the item for sale (e.g. adding photos, more specifications)
Moderators decision is final on what constitutes bumping.

Provided 24 hours have passed since your last post, you may simply post 'bump' or 'lil furry kittens' or whatever takes your fancy to bring your ad back to the top.

tyrone03

i know this has been covered before but just thought id get an up to date answer just incase things have changed from 2010.

can i post a wanted add for an aeg and offer a trade of a psp, i have a few different guns in mind so if i list them ie;" wanted mp5k will trade for psp and x games"
is this allowed?
thanks guys!

ShadowFox

tyrone03 wrote: »

i know this has been covered before but just thought id get an up to date answer just incase things have changed from 2010.

can i post a wanted add for an aeg and offer a trade of a psp, i have a few different guns in mind so if i list them ie;" wanted mp5k will trade for psp and x games"
is this allowed?
thanks guys!

Why not put up a for trade ad rather than a wanted ad ie. TRADE PSP for MP5K

tyrone03

great thanks was unsure of the right way to go about it.

S.E.A.L.s

I'd like to know what the unwritten rules are and more specifically, please define what "the spirit of the rules always outweighs the letter of the rules" actually means?

As the spirit of the rules is being used against me, which I feel is ambiguous in my case, so would appreciate a clear and to the point definition + does this policy apply to all or are Mod's and Boards staff excluded?

Thank you

Dogwatch

It is, in my opinion, impossible to do as you ask, as each situation is dealt with by different personalities.
Moderators are given wide discretion to run forums as best they can and are subject to the oversight of the CMods and Admins.

If you are aggrieved by a particular decision that would not be suitable for DRP, you have the option to PM the CMods and ask them to have a look at your problem.

Maybe a read through these items might help your understanding.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq_guidelines

Steve

SEALs_Ireland wrote: »

I'd like to know what the unwritten rules are and more specifically, please define what "the spirit of the rules always outweighs the letter of the rules" actually means?

There are no unwritten rules. 'Spirit of the rules' means that, as moderators, we are duty bound to find a fair solution - based on common sense and fairness - to a situation that the rules of the forum does not cover or has not anticipated.
Even if there is a rule that apparently covers something, moderators are not absolutely bound to that if it is a situation where someone is using the rules to an unfair and unethical advantage. If the converse were true then we'd easily be replaced by some algorithm running on the boards servers..
The reason for that is we won't allow ourselves to be restricted by 'rules lawyers' to the unfair detriment of anyone. That is also why, as Dogwatch said, there are avenues to appeal what we decide, to another human (as opposed to an algorithm)...

As the spirit of the rules is being used against me, which I feel is ambiguous in my case, so would appreciate a clear and to the point definition + does this policy apply to all or are Mod's and Boards staff excluded?

Thank you

For the reasons above, it cannot and will never be defined and written down. There are no exceptions for mods or boards staff. We (local mods) cannot, because of how the software is designed, sanction anyone with more stars than us but that doesn't mean we can't bring it all the way to the top if we see an abuse of this situation.

S.E.A.L.s

Cannot believe I've never asked this before, what happens after someone reports a post via the "Report Post" button, does it go in to a ticket management system and what happens next please?

Steve

We look at it and if there is a rule breach we act on it

If you want feedback on a reported post then pm a mod.

tinyjuggernaut

I have had a rifle up for sale on the forum, but have now sold the rifle to a friend, what do i do with the thread i created for the sale, how do i close it, cheers.

Dogwatch

tinyjuggernaut wrote: »

I have had a rifle up for sale on the forum, but have now sold the rifle to a friend, what do i do with the thread i created for the sale, how do i close it, cheers.

To close a thread, use the "report post" triangle and put the request in the dialogue box. This means that the first Mod to see it will be able to action it.

S.E.A.L.s

Can a Mod please advise if the Bumping rule and exceptions listed here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79685146&postcount=9

Are still valid or not?

Thank you

DeBurca

Short answer is yes

_Pint_

Hi. I posted a thread for SALE multiple items. The items was on the title. Can i remove items sold from the title, if yes how. Thank You

Dogwatch

No, that is not possible. You have posted on thread what is sold and that is the way to do it,

brugmand

Hi, is it alright that someone can buy an airsoft gun while the seller and another user are working out a trade/sale
cheers,Dylan

thermo

brugmand wrote: »

Hi, is it alright that someone can buy an airsoft gun while the seller and another user are working out a trade/sale
cheers,Dylan

if a seller has agreed to sell to another user, its up to the seller to honor the agreement.

brugmand

Hi, i am wondering if i want to trade a non airsoft thing for one that is do i start a thread on the airsoft page or the non airsoft page

thermo

Steve wrote: »

If someone posts a WANTED ad for a specific Airsoft item and they are offering to trade a non airsoft item then it's within the charter.

If someone lists a non-Airsoft item and they are only looking to trade for "something Airsoft related" then it breaches the charter.

The emphasis of the ad must be on the Airsoft item, not the non-Airsoft item.

Is that what you're asking?

brugmand wrote: »

Hi, i am wondering if i want to trade a non airsoft thing for one that is do i start a thread on the airsoft page or the non airsoft page

does this help? the thread goes in the airsoft adverts section with the emphasis on what you want not what you are offering.

also the add must be looking for something specific eg.
xbox 360 to trade for a G&G MP5.

brugmand

Oh and another question can you just start a thread or do you need permission from a mod?

thermo

no permission needed to start a thread, once its within the rules of the forum.

brenak47

probably been asked already but if u recieve a pm stating buyer has pulled out of sale can u then bump back up your add stating this or do u have to wait till 24 hours from the last post

DeBurca

brenak47 wrote: »

probably been asked already but if u recieve a pm stating buyer has pulled out of sale can u then bump back up your add stating this or do u have to wait till 24 hours from the last post

If a buyer withdraws from a sale then you can post straight away saying that the item is backup for sale as it is new information

General Grobel

I have a thread called ''Gear Clearout'' wherein I'm selling parts and that sort of thing, is it possible for me to create another for-sale thread for a KWA MP9?

Dogwatch

As it is not listed on the other thread, Yes, go ahead.

TheAlkaline

I can't find an answer for this: Can I sell an non-airsoft item for specific airsoft item?

DeBurca

Steve wrote: »

If someone posts a WANTED ad for a specific Airsoft item and they are offering to trade a non airsoft item then it's within the charter.

If someone lists a non-Airsoft item and they are only looking to trade for "something Airsoft related" then it breaches the charter.

The emphasis of the ad must be on the Airsoft item, not the non-Airsoft item.

Is that what you're asking?

TheAlkaline wrote: »

I can't find an answer for this: Can I sell an non-airsoft item for specific airsoft item?

As mentioned in an earlier reply by Steve if you wish to TRADE non airsoft items for a specific airsoft item that is OK

However you need to mention exactly what you are after and not just "something airsoft"

VenomIreland

I'm looking to sell my Dragunov AEG in the near future, but before I place the ad I was wondering, what's the most common way people actually do the transfer? Face to face with cash?

andy_g

VenomIreland wrote: »

I'm looking to sell my Dragunov AEG in the near future, but before I place the ad I was wondering, what's the most common way people actually do the transfer? Face to face with cash?

Most common methods used when buying and selling here is.

(1) People meet up to test and buy.

(2) Postal order and item sent via post.

(3) Postal order and courier service.

Steve

Have a read of this as well if you haven't already seen it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79685177&postcount=12

VenomIreland

Thanks lads.

TyPhOoNpLaYeR

If a mod closes down your thread can it be reopened because a mod closed mine because I created my account on a Mates computer and he thought I was doubling up on accounts

thermo

a mod can reopen a locked thread. i suggest you pm the mod in question regarding this.
do not start another thread selling the same items. read the rules too before posting.

TyPhOoNpLaYeR

thermo wrote: »

a mod can reopen a locked thread. i suggest you pm the mod in question regarding this.
do not start another thread selling the same items. read the rules too before posting.

Where can I see these rules only new to this and I don't know anything, and he wants ID to prove that myself and my mate are two seperate people how can I give him ID on this ??

Steve

Hiya,

You can read the rules here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056698847

You can also send a PM to DeBurca to ask why your thread was closed.

Thanks.

thermo

[AIRSOFT ADVERTS FORUM RULES] Read this before posting (Updated dec 2012)

like i said, pm the mod who locked the thread.

TyPhOoNpLaYeR

thermo wrote: »

[AIRSOFT ADVERTS FORUM RULES] Read this before posting (Updated dec 2012)

like i said, pm the mod who locked the thread.

I did he said that I had another account where's I didn't it was my mates account ad he wants ID off both of us like WTF