CHELTENHAM - DAY 4: 19th March

JP Liz V1

The big one is the Gold Cup can Kauto Star do it again?

Easy Rider

1:30 Secant Star

2.40 Tell Massini maybe Shinrock Paddy too

3.20 Denman

5.15 Tataniano

Keano

I just want one winner at any price!

mike65

CHELTENHAM 1:30 TRIUMPH HURDLE 2m 1f
Carlito Brigante @ 5.00 (GP)

CHELTENHAM 2:05 COUNTY H'CAP HURDLE 2m 1f
Tawaagg @ 9.00 (GP)

CHELTENHAM 2:40 ALBERT BARTLETT NOV HURDLE 3m
The Betchworth Kid @ 12.00 (GP)

CHELTENHAM 3:20 GOLD CUP CHASE 3m 2f 110y
Imperial Commander @ 8.50 (GP)

CHELTENHAM 4:40 MARTIN PIPE H'CAP HDLE 2m 4f 110yds
Ashkazar @ 7.00 (GP)

CHELTENHAM 5:15 GRAND ANNUAL H'CAP CHASE 2m 110yds
Oiseau De Nuit @ 11.00 (GP)

I'll probably throw the rest of my bank of Kauto Star and pray.

meath4sam

denman each way at 4/1 is my bet tomorrow a place will return your stake.

Bertie's Dream in the Albert Bartlett. You heard it here 1st

chinguetti

Someone also told me that Bertie's Dream was in fine form but he's no form on good ground that i can see. Kauto will win and Imperial Commander e/w.

Also Carlito Brigante has his ground in the Triumph. Of course if the rain come earlier than they think, this will change everything as they are meant to water the last mile from what i can make out.

sonic.trip

carlito brigante in the trumph, 5/1 on betfair at the moment

Clemon

Want/NEED quel esprit to win for me .. If he wins i will bomb the winnings on kauto star .. My cunning plan to save the week <rolleyes>

Shane732

1:30 CARLITO BRIGANTE
2:05 ROCK NOIR
2:40 Shinrock Paddy
3:20 Denman
4:40 Meath All Star
5:15 YOU´RE THE TOP

Shane732

Clemon wrote: »

Want/NEED quel esprit to win for me .. If he wins i will bomb the winnings on kauto star .. My cunning plan to save the week <rolleyes>

And if he loses throw the house onto Kauto?

Clemon

Shane732 wrote: »

And if he loses throw the house onto Kauto?

Christ dont tempt me:(

scallywags

Why is denman;s odds so long? Surely the true price should be shorter?
Can someone enlighten me as to why this is so. Plus has denman ever beaten kauto?
thanks
also where is yer man who did the stats on day one? Could do with them for tomoro. My hunch for Friday would be alot of favorites to ride home

meath4sam

scallywags wrote: »

Why is denman;s odds so long? Surely the true price should be shorter?
Can someone enlighten me as to why this is so. Plus has denman ever beaten kauto?
thanks
also where is yer man who did the stats on day one? Could do with them for tomoro. My hunch for Friday would be alot of favorites to ride home

denmans odds are so big because he fell lastime out, and kauto is a class horse and on form.
denman bet kauto in the 2008 gold cup by about 8 lengths if remember rite.
and last about the stat guy dont know.

mike65

The feeling is that Denmans day is done after such a poor performance last LTO Kauto Star on the other hand hasn't done anything wrong. Add in Tony McCoys two falls today and I wouldn't be surprised if the price hasn't drfited out again.

Disputed lead until definite lead from 11th, 1 length ahead when blundered and headed 4 out, 3 lengths down and under strong pressure when blundered and unseated rider 3 out (op 1-8)

Denners

I was thinking of lumping 50 quid on Denman to place?Winnings would be 45ish? Is he solid enough to come in the top 3? hopefully he has put the AON fall behind him and AP will keep on him like a hawk

Who are the front runners in the 1.30 and 2.05? Ruby is on two solid horses, should they place aswell or over-rated?

liamygunner29

1:30 Carlito Brigante

2:05 Tawagg

2:30 Berties Dream e/w

3.20 Imperial Commander e/w

cson

Gilligans horse won't be the first 10 home tomorrow.

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

The feeling is that Denmans day is done after such a poor performance last LTO Kauto Star on the other hand hasn't done anything wrong. Add in Tony McCoys two falls today and I wouldn't be surprised if the price hasn't drfited out again.

I still think he has a massive chance. I was planning a sizable bet on him had the week gone better for me but I might have to be a bit more careful. I'm hoping 4-1 is good luck, I backed him at 4-1 when he gave that massive performance in the hennessy. I know the Kauto will take some beating but I think I will go with the heart rather than the head. If I did that today id have had Albertas run.

McCoys fitness is a worry though.

zonEEE

going with a each way bet on tricky trickster in the gold cup

sonic.trip

Done my lucky 15 for the day there:

1.30 Carlito Brigante
2.40 Shinrock Paddy
3.20 Kauto Star
4.40 Meath All Star

hoping for a bit of luck today :rolleyes:

zonEEE

2.05 De Ee Williams
2.40 Berties Dream
3.20 Tricky Trickster

All each way

Morrisseeee

In need of some serious tips today to get back on track !! Anyone watching the morning line on Ch4, could ye give a brief summary, eg. tips, going, McCoy's health !! etc (as I can't watch the programme).

Looking @:
Advisor
Bellvano
Cooldine & TrickyTrickster (WO Kauto)
Your The Top

Knightofcydonia

Morrisseeee wrote: »

In need of some serious tips today to get back on track !! Anyone watching the morning line on Ch4, could ye give a brief summary, eg. tips, going, McCoy's health !! etc (as I can't watch the programme).

Looking @:
Advisor
Bellvano
Cooldine & TrickyTrickster (WO Kauto)
Your The Top

Tanya Stevenson (female!) was very sweet on Trickytrickster, infact shes backed him to win! maybe betting with the heart there.

Paddy brennan reckons him mount for the 1.30, olofi is a great e/w at 14/1. Francombe agrees, hes had a decent bet on him ante post. Paddy also seems very confident about imperial commander for the gold cup, have to say im tempted myself with an each way bet. Looks a tank of a horse.

Regarding McCoys health, apparently francombe rang him this morning and he said hes grand, not a bother. Like he never had a fall...........he's an ironman!

Thats about all i can remember from the morning line

Vanbis

I'm going to throw a few on Imperial Commander to win just to have an interest when watching the gold cup of course :rolleyes:

Cyrus

what odds is kauto with Paddypower at the moment ?

racso1975

Cyrus wrote: »

what odds is kauto with Paddypower at the moment ?

8/11 on pp

mike65

KS 1.72
Denman 5.50
Imperial Comm 8.50
Cooldine 9.00
Tricky Trickster 15.00

51.00 bar

Inquitus

Cyrus wrote: »

what odds is kauto with Paddypower at the moment ?

8/11

Shane732

scallywags wrote: »

Why is denman;s odds so long? Surely the true price should be shorter?
Can someone enlighten me as to why this is so. Plus has denman ever beaten kauto?
thanks
also where is yer man who did the stats on day one? Could do with them for tomoro. My hunch for Friday would be alot of favorites to ride home

Denman has beaten Kauto Star - quite convincingly. However there's a train of thought that maintains Kauto wasn't fully wound up for the day - something I find very hard to believe. One thing for certain is that it wasn't Kauto best performance.

That race really got to the bottom of Denman and he hasn't been the same horse since then. He's had serious heart problems where at one stage it looked as if he was going to die.

Since his come back he's run in spots. His initial come back run this year was an excellent performance. However on his last day out he just didn't seem to be taking McCoy into the fences as the real Denman does. He made a bad mistake 3 out and fell at the second last. There are question marks as to whether he would have won that race even if he hadn't made the mistakes. Personally I think he would but not as convincingly as he should.

Kauto Star looks to be in the best form of his life based on his last run.

Kauto is certainly the horse to beat but Denman is known as the boss in the yard!

I hope Denman does the business as he's a complete superstar.

Shane732

Denners wrote: »

I was thinking of lumping 50 quid on Denman to place?Winnings would be 45ish? Is he solid enough to come in the top 3? hopefully he has put the AON fall behind him and AP will keep on him like a hawk

Who are the front runners in the 1.30 and 2.05? Ruby is on two solid horses, should they place aswell or over-rated?

You just don't know what Denman is going to show up.

racso1975

just looking for a bit advice in the 1.30. Horse called Barizan had 7 races over this distance with 5 wins and 2 places. He has also had a 1st and 2nd at cheltenham with most his races on good ground and and his last 5 races he has been carrying a heavier weight.

only thing i see is he aint ran since december?

The question is why is he running at 33/1

Shane732

racso1975 wrote: »

just looking for a bit advice in the 1.30. Horse called Barizan had 7 races over this distance with 5 wins and 2 places. He has also had a 1st and 2nd at cheltenham with most his races on good ground and and his last 5 races he has been carrying a heavier weight.

only thing i see is he aint ran since december?

The question is why is he running at 33/1

I've backed Barizan in all his races over this distance to date. The horse is a bit of a pig to be honest and the man, who's normally, on board get him around.

This is a different class of race and I really don't think he'll be good enough.

racso1975

Cheers thanks for that. Will do a small each way just in case

Shane732

racso1975 wrote: »

Cheers thanks for that. Will do a small each way just in case

Sorry I forgot to mention that I'm having about the worst week of my life tipping so the mere fact that I don't think he'll win is probably enough for the horse to win by 10-15l!

qc3

racso1975 wrote: »

just looking for a bit advice in the 1.30. Horse called Barizan had 7 races over this distance with 5 wins and 2 places. He has also had a 1st and 2nd at cheltenham with most his races on good ground and and his last 5 races he has been carrying a heavier weight.

only thing i see is he aint ran since december?

The question is why is he running at 33/1

I also like the look of this horse EW. Only concern is the Jockey.
Won two of last three races off an OF of 140.running off 138 today
and has won over C&D in October.fingers crossed ;)

Hot-Rod

was there much rain at the track last nite? what is the going now? is mccoy on denman?

sflemings

I've gone with the following.

1:30 Advisor e/w
2:05 Bellvano e/w
2:40 Quel Esprit e/w
3:20 Denman e/w

Punters Mate

with all eyes on the head to head this little beauty will bring home the goods


Here are my tips for today:

Carlito Brigante (9/2) - 1:30 Triumph Hurdle

Noble Prince (11/1) - 2:05 County Hurdle

Enterprise Park (8/1) - 2:40 Albert Bartlett Hurdle

Imperial Commander (8/1) - 3:20 Gold Cup

Meath All Star (10/1) - 4:40 Martin Pipe Hurdle

racso1975

small amount of rain last night and by all accounts mc coy is in good form. Dont know about denman though

racso1975

sorry he is on denman

andrew90

I like trust fund in the foxhunters chase at 4.00 is 7/1 with powers at the moment, favourite roulez cool is a vey short price and will be beaten

skeleton_boy

2.05 - Noble Prince is my tip for the day. Hoping he'll allow me to put that little bit extra on Kauto.

AdpRo

Right been having a shocker this week so ignore these!

€1 e/w lucky 15

1.30 - Carlito Brigante
2.05 - Oldrik
2.40 - Tell Massini
3.20 - Imperial Commander

€100 win Kauto Star and thats the wallet empty so if none of them win then no bet on the last 3 races!

Vanbis

Weetabix wrote: »

€100 win Kauto Star and thats the wallet empty so if none of them win then no bet on the last 3 races!

Eddie rockets empty your pockets, but in this case its PP.

I dont think your alone this week, its make or break for everyone today.

My only bets today are

Denman (win)
Nomecheki (e/w)

Its make or break day!! Come on the Tank!

Also LOL at Ted Walsh's bit of a rant on the morning line .

Vanbis

Alonso Curved Bather wrote: »

Also LOL at Ted Walsh's bit of a rant on the morning line .

I missed that, was he ranting about......John McCririck?

JP Liz V1

Deleted User wrote: »

Bertie's Dream in the Albert Bartlett. You heard it here 1st

40 to 1 at the moment i might have an e/w bet also maybe Bob Hall in the 4.00 FoxHunter Chase

cichlid child

Sh*t missed it.What did he say.Was he giving out to McCririck

Vanbis

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

40 to 1 at the moment i might have an e/w bet also maybe Bob Hall in the 4.00 FoxHunter Chase

I had a small e/w myself and commander in the Gold cup.

skeleton_boy

Ohh what was this rant all about?