Headshop in D3

judas101

Anyone spot the new headshop on Clontarf road?

Close to Lynches chipper.

Seems a strange move with the supposed banning of them.

Odd location imo.

Any thoughts?

Gavin "shels"

They're not banning them, merely banning ingredients which they'll just sub with another legal ingredients likes happened before.

Paulyh

just spotted it today.
i live within a 30 second walk from it. i'll venture in and see what its all about, maybe pick up a pipe or something

but on the other hand, it will attract all sorts from barcode on the weekends, i'd say it will be mobbed by people between it and the chipper, and i can imagine the fights that will happen too, not that it will be fun to watch from my balcony but its not cool.

i am not concerned with what they are selling, im sure i'll nip down in a drunken state sometime looking for something to 'bubble my bath' or if the real thing is too much hassle i'd be curious to see with the imitation weed is all about, but its the hoards of hammered teen agers it will eneviably attract that i will have a problem with.

oh apparently there is a protest on saturday at it, thinking of going with my sign...................'careful now'.........'down with this sort of thing'

spudington16

Oh God - right in Joe Duffy's back yard! He's going to have a field day...

discus

Ah sure its a perfect spot.

The ones in town are getting hassle from local dealers - the headshops are really taking their turf. Move the headshop to clontarf and you move away from the majority of the tough pushers!

fryup

spudington16 wrote: »

Oh God - right in Joe Duffy's back yard! He's going to have a field day...

yep he's gonna talk about it on Liveline

Rizzla King

Its close enough to the garda station too, theyre just taking the piss now

coldwood92

listened to liveline podcast
well done to joe

coldwood92

Rizzla King wrote: »

Its close enough to the garda station too, theyre just taking the piss now

yeah thats talking the piss

carlmango11

Its close enough to the garda station too, theyre just taking the piss now

If anything it's the opposite, they're right under the surveillance on the police. It's not like their presence has been hushed in the past, sure there are people holding signs for them on Henry Street. :pac:

spudington16

carlmango11 wrote: »

If anything it's the opposite, they're right under the surveillance on the police. It's not like their presence has been hushed in the past, sure there are people holding signs for them on Henry Street. :pac:

Hiding in plain sight... Those devious bastards! :rolleyes:

RMD

Apparently there's going to be a pretty big protest outside it on Saturday including local politicians. These angry parents are a pack of ****ing nutjobs.

Gavin "shels"

RMD wrote: »

Apparently there's going to be a pretty big protest outside it on Saturday including local politicians. These angry parents are a pack of ****ing nutjobs.

Labour Councillor Aodhán Ó Ríordáin and the Dublin North Central Labour Party have organised a protest against the opening of a head shop on Clontarf Road, Dublin.

Saturday March 20th
12 noon
53 Clontarf Road

Cllr Ó Ríordáin said: "The opening of a head shop is not a welcome development in this or any area.

"These shops have sprung up around the country and they are peddling substances that are untested and potentially very dangerous. As a result, parents are becoming extremely worried that the health and welfare of their children is being put at risk.

"Members of local communities are very concerned about this."

http://www.labour.ie/press/listing/126892189112195192.html

Hank_Jones

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Quentinkrisp

Just after going past it on the bus to work, looks like either the 'concerned parents' or pissed-off dealers have been having some fun cos all the windows have been put through, not pretty!

Paulyh

Beat me too it!!! ^^^^^^^

There's not much point in having a protest if the shop is closed is there??
when was it due to open anyway???

Hank_Jones

Can't see the Gardai giving a shit about that either.

I've got an idea, we'll open a shop in Clontarf, right beside the Garda station, no chance we'll get any hassle there....

spudington16

RMD wrote: »

Apparently there's going to be a pretty big protest outside it on Saturday including local politicians. These angry parents are a pack of ****ing nutjobs.

Why? They're well within their right to protest.

Local business owners have expressed fears that the new shop could be a target for arsonists, which puts their shops in danger.

Parents are concerned because there have been documented cases of some of these products causing severe psychotic episodes. Most of these shops have no qualms about selling their products to children and young people who don't understand the risks involved in taking them.

Seems like a reasonable ground for a protest.

fryup

spudington16 wrote: »

Oh God - right in Joe Duffy's back yard! He's going to have a field day...

i wonder was it set up just to piss off joe:cool:

Linguo

Dont see how it would make much business where it is! Hope it gets shut down!

Irish Halo

Asking:

Linguo wrote: »

what exactly are they selling in the head shop?

And then saying:

Linguo wrote: »

Hope it gets shut down!

Does make you look a bit reactionary and ill informed.You obviously have no idea what a head shop is, what it does or what it sells but then proceed to say you would like it to be shut down I'm not a supporter of Head Shops (never even been in one) but comments like yours make debate and discussion difficult.

spudington16 wrote:

Most of these shops have no qualms about selling their products to children and young people who don't understand the risks involved in taking them.

Seriously? If you're that thick to just eat/smoke/drink something without even trying to understand the risks involved then we call that the Darwin effect. People need to grow some balls and have the concept of personal responsibility explained to them. But then Joe wouldn't have much of a show would he.

Mr Teeny

Irish Halo wrote: »

Seriously? If you're that thick to just eat/smoke/drink something without even trying to understand the risks involved then we call that the Darwin effect.

Why did you only highlight the last part of Spudingtons quote there?

I would tend to focus more on the following:

spudington16 wrote: »

Most of these shops have no qualms about selling their products to children and young people who don't understand the risks involved in taking them.

No point in talking about the Darwin effect. Most kids don't use the same risk assessment as well informed adults.

Interesting article about why kids do stupid things here.

Teens smoke, take drugs, have unprotected sex and ride with drunk drivers, not because they think they are invulnerable or haven't thought about the risks.... It's just that they often decide the benefits -- the immediate gratification or peer acceptance -- outweigh the risks

Irish Halo wrote: »

People need to grow some balls and have the concept of personal responsibility explained to them.

I don't see any problem with parents trying to protect the interests of their impressionable young kids!

Personally I have no issue with head shops. Would I want one next to my house and kids though? Hell no!

discus

Mr Teeny wrote: »

Personally I have no issue with head shops. Would I want one next to my house and kids though? Hell no!

Of course you wouldn't. It's a lot easier to claim that this headshop lead your kids to heroin, rather than educate your kids about the dangers of taking any chemical substances.

Gavin "shels"

How many would complain if it was a new offo instead of a headshop!?

Jeanious

A big fat fcukin 0.

Jesus they were brave men tryin to open up in the leafy suburbs of Clontarf...i could have told them before they opened there that that idea would have gone down like Michael Jackson at a Childline concert.

Anyone up for a counter-protest? Seriously?
Fcuk sake i thought the closed-minded backwards days were behind us in this country and that we might actually be able to live and let live....how wrong i was!

morons

Mr Teeny

discus wrote: »

Of course you wouldn't. It's a lot easier to claim that this headshop lead your kids to heroin, rather than educate your kids about the dangers of taking any chemical substances.

Where exactly did I say it'll lead to heroin? :rolleyes: What I did say is that I have no problem with the shops personally. Each to their own. But it's the sort of people it'll bring to the area that'd p*** me off.

Paulyh wrote: »

i am not concerned with what they are selling... but its the hoards of hammered teenagers it will eneviably attract that i will have a problem with.

This ^

bassey

Gonna get stoned and head down to this for the craic

Paulyh

coyle wrote: »

Anyone up for a counter-protest? Seriously?
Fcuk sake i thought the closed-minded backwards days were behind us in this country and that we might actually be able to live and let live....how wrong i was!

morons

hardly morons, have you not seen what the headshops are like at 3 in the morning?? serving from a hatch with ques of people outside?
as it is there are killings outside Barcode and around the take-aways in fairview on friday and saturday nights, now that doesnt bother me in the slightest because its not on my door step. This shop will attract those same people, and i live very close to it on the seafront.

i have been in head shops, and dont mind them, as i have said and others have said, its the pissed little wannabe scumbags that will be hanging around that are not welcome, there is far too many places around there for them to hang out in with parks, lanes to cause hassle in. i know, because used to do it..........i'll be at the protest on saturday (nothing like being part of an angry mod on a saturday afternoon) because i dont want it on my door step, and i seriously doubt you would either.

WindSock

Paulyh wrote: »

hardly morons, have you not seen what the headshops are like at 3 in the morning?? serving from a hatch with ques of people outside?

Looks like a smart business move. Supply & demand and all that. Hope it goes well for them.

Paulyh

WindSock wrote: »

Looks like a smart business move. Supply & demand and all that. Hope it goes well for them.

if they closed at 10pm like off licenses have too, then that would probably solve the late night drunken trouble.........and i would not have a problem with it at all, and would wish them well.
unfortunately, i doubt it will go well for them as these places do not seem to have consideration for there surroundings and stick 2 fingers up at the neighbours without allowing compromise, so why shouldnt the residents expell them from the area??

Paulyh

just for an update:

the windows are being repaired as i type, and i am assuming the workers have been threatened as there are two guards in a marked car watching them from the seafront side.

this might make for an exciting weekend after all

dusty207

Saw the damage this morning, nasty stuff. I think the trouble for the owners/workers in this place is going to come from the former suppliers of those who will be queuing up at 3am. Probably them that caused last nights damage when you think about it. Hence tonights Garda presence. I wonder if the owners of the shop knew who they were renting it to?

Pace2008

There's a large establishment in the area I used to frequent that distributes a legal high more dangerous than anything sold in the head shops, often to teenagers as young as fifteen. Because of vested interests and horrendous double standards the past protests outside the venue fell on deaf ears, while this new legitimate business that's the subject of the thread will probably be gone in a month, whether it's via arson or being turfed out by the landlord.

This self-righteous, ignorant mess of a country disgusts me at times.

billybigunz

RMD wrote: »

Apparently there's going to be a pretty big protest outside it on Saturday including local politicians. These angry parents are a pack of ****ing nutjobs.

THey are going to be joined by lots of angry criminal dealers and murderers. They same gangs that have been torching these places up and down the country. Lets see these concerned parent ****s try and take the moral high ground now.

darkeyes

Paulyh wrote: »

hardly morons, have you not seen what the headshops are like at 3 in the morning?? serving from a hatch with ques of people outside?
as it is there are killings outside Barcode and around the take-aways in fairview on friday and saturday nights, now that doesnt bother me in the slightest because its not on my door step. This shop will attract those same people, and i live very close to it on the seafront.

i have been in head shops, and dont mind them, as i have said and others have said, its the pissed little wannabe scumbags that will be hanging around that are not welcome, there is far too many places around there for them to hang out in with parks, lanes to cause hassle in. i know, because used to do it..........i'll be at the protest on saturday (nothing like being part of an angry mod on a saturday afternoon) because i dont want it on my door step, and i seriously doubt you would either.

Just remember to smash in some windows too and to burn a witch!

darkeyes

Pace2008 wrote: »

There's a large establishment in the area I used to frequent that distributes a legal high more dangerous than anything sold in the head shops, often to teenagers as young as fifteen. Because of vested interests and horrendous double standards the past protests outside the venue fell on deaf ears, while this new legitimate business that's the subject of the thread will probably be gone in a month, whether it's via arson or being turfed out by the landlord.

This self-righteous, ignorant mess of a country disgusts me at times.

There will probably the same parents protesting, that take their children Sundays to the pub. I agree with your sentiment.

Hank_Jones

Strange thing is, I'm fairly sure the place that someone said is selling booze to people as young as 15 has already been mentioned in this thread, several times...
I've got very little sympathy for headshop owners really, they're just working within loopholes.
Got very little sympathy for boozers closing down as well though, they're all preying on the weak somewhat.

drBill

darkeyes wrote: »

There will probably the same parents protesting, that take their children Sundays to the pub. I agree with your sentiment.

Head shop owners possibly take their children to the pub on Sundays also, so this would simply level the playing field.

BraziliaNZ

just had a look a minute ago, it's only down the road from me. Fathead Gerry Ryan is there with a desk, people signing petitions etc. People giving speeches, freaking out etc. Worst thing about it is, there seems to be some kind of paramilitary group there, with 32 county banners etc, so it's nice to see Gerry affiliating himself with terrorists. Seriously, I really didn't think this country was THIS retarded, and especially not in urban Dublin, I wasn't that surprised to see it happening in Roscommon town, but in my hood? Tut tut tut

RMD

spudington16 wrote: »

Why? They're well within their right to protest.

Local business owners have expressed fears that the new shop could be a target for arsonists, which puts their shops in danger.

Parents are concerned because there have been documented cases of some of these products causing severe psychotic episodes. Most of these shops have no qualms about selling their products to children and young people who don't understand the risks involved in taking them.

Seems like a reasonable ground for a protest.

Ok, the arson claim is a potential concern. I'll agree on that.

Ye, there's been documented cases of psychotic episodes but if you're stupid enough to take a drug with no long term studies of the health effects without accepting there might be very adverse effects then you're a ****ing idiot. I've been in these shops before, every time I've been asked for ID, from experience these places are just as strict as off-licenses.

Now let me tell you of this shop that used to be open about a hundred yards down the road. It sold 2 drugs, one that provided no form of high / joy and was relatively pricey, it slowly clogs the cardiovascular system and decreases the performance of your lungs. The other drug it sold is ok within moderation but if a large dose is taken regular effects are a loss in motor controls, coordination, a loss in common sense and generally the users may become violent / agressive over no reason. The Gardaí spend millions a year combating this drug and it's anti-social effects. Both have serious long term health effects if not consumed in moderation, which a large proportion of people 15-30 don't seem to do.

Ye, the 2 drugs I've mentioned are Tobacco and Alcohol. I've been buying both from the shop 100 yards up the road from the D3 Headshop which was the Yacht off-license since I was 15 without much hassle, yet since I'll assume you often frequented this type of establishment and so you didn't decide to ride in on your high horse and protest outside there right?

EDIT:

billybigunz wrote: »

THey are going to be joined by lots of angry criminal dealers and murderers. They same gangs that have been torching these places up and down the country. Lets see these concerned parent ****s try and take the moral high ground now.

Ye, they don't seem to realise either as soon as these places are closed down the money spent in these shops are going straight back into the drugs industry in the form of a demand for Coke and Weed / Hash rising again. So instead of being able to tax the stuff sold in these shops, they're protesting it so they close down, the money then goes back to drug dealers and the Gardaí have to spend further amount of the taxpayers money trying to combat the drugs trade.

Being quite honest, if I can't pick up Blow or Smoke XXX, I'll just be handing the money over to my local dealer for MDMA / Weed instead.

e.i.assassin

one "smart" protester said :"I'm better let my kids buy "stuff" from the street dealers ,that from the headshops..." how stupid you should be to say like that ...
They just ignorant and hypocrite...
and whats a story with The Labour Party banners... they just grabbing opportunity for advertise them selfs f...ing c...s:mad:

spurious

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Worst thing about it is, there seems to be some kind of paramilitary group there, with 32 county banners etc,

Now there's a surprise.

John_Rambo

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I wasn't that surprised to see it happening in Roscommon town, but in my hood? Tut tut tut

Sure Clontarf is full of fifty and sixty year old civil servant, gardai and teacher boggers.

BraziliaNZ

John_Rambo wrote: »

Sure Clontarf is full of fifty and sixty year old civil servant, gardai and teacher boggers.

yeah, I'm a civil servant, we're not all the same

Quentinkrisp

RMD wrote: »

Ok, the arson claim is a potential concern. I'll agree on that.

I've been in these shops before, every time I've been asked for ID, from experience these places are just as strict as off-licenses.

Agreed with the vast majority of your post RMD, but i beg to differ on this point, there's another headshop about 2-3 kilometres down the road in amiens street, the owners of which have absolutely NO problem with selling their stuff to kids, seen it with my own eyes, the usual 'bring your ID next time' stuff. I've tried many of the legal highs they sell and frankly they're nothing to write home about-absolutely vile: the fact that some of them carry the warning 'not for human consumption' doesn't exactly inspire my confidence in them either!:eek:

But, getting back to the point at hand, I can definitely agree that there is a huge amount of stupidity and hypocrisy being displayed by the anti-headshop side.

At a guess there's about 5-6 pubs in the vicinity, yet people aren't queing up to burn them down (barcode is an exception to all this though!), plus the possibility that extreme republicans are hopping on the bandwagon is seriously frightening!

So headshops are a source of employment and much needed revenue, which is what this country needs right now, but the government needs to invest money in a better and more efficient drug education scheme, as well as increased regulation for headshops:not located near any schools/mandatory early closing times/absolutely NO sales to under-18s/drug education training for staff.

I would see this as a much more viable alternative to an outright ban, which is a lazy and futile policy-as we've seen before, prohibition does not work!

discus

spurious wrote: »

Now there's a surprise.

Probably the same lads responsible for the protection rackets down the road on the north strand. Forced a few of those places out of business over a few years. From cameo to mcgraths old place - empty.

Where are all these nationalist/republican militias, when the drug dealers are out on the streets peddling even worse drugs to anyone... oh, wait.

RMD

Quentinkrisp wrote: »

Agreed with the vast majority of your post RMD, but i beg to differ on this point, there's another headshop about 2-3 kilometres down the road in amiens street, the owners of which have absolutely NO problem with selling their stuff to kids, seen it with my own eyes, the usual 'bring your ID next time' stuff. I've tried many of the legal highs they sell and frankly they're nothing to write home about-absolutely vile: the fact that some of them carry the warning 'not for human consumption' doesn't exactly inspire my confidence in them either!:eek:

But, getting back to the point at hand, I can definitely agree that there is a huge amount of stupidity and hypocrisy being displayed by the anti-headshop side.

At a guess there's about 5-6 pubs in the vicinity, yet people aren't queing up to burn them down (barcode is an exception to all this though!), plus the possibility that extreme republicans are hopping on the bandwagon is seriously frightening!

So headshops are a source of employment and much needed revenue, which is what this country needs right now, but the government needs to invest money in a better and more efficient drug education scheme, as well as increased regulation for headshops:not located near any schools/mandatory early closing times/absolutely NO sales to under-18s/drug education training for staff.

I would see this as a much more viable alternative to an outright ban, which is a lazy and futile policy-as we've seen before, prohibition does not work!

Never been to that one, the ones I've been to are the generally more reputable ones which were around before the head-shop boom. Nirvana mostly, the headshops which have opened up within the last year do seem very regardless for ID and these shops which are essentially the reason there's a call for these shops to close down. They only seemed to open up as Mephedrone products hit the market and got a large user base.

The "not for human consumption" tag is there for a few reasons.
1) In countries such as the Uk and here as well (I think) it means it doesn't have to undergo an ingredient / toxicology test meaning they can put anything into it which isn't a banned substance.
2) In some countries it takes any liability away from the manufacturing company as "it's not for human consumption".
3) It attracts less notice to the product if it's advertised as "plant food not intended for human consumption" rather than "product containing new drug Mephedrone which replicates MDMA"

The thing is, an outright ban wont work, never. 2 years ago they banned a drug called BZP which was used in the fake E pills. After which, they just replaced BZP with 4-MMC (Mephedrone) which they're now looking to ban. If they do ban it something new will be found or a legal substance which has less of an effect will be put into the fake E pills in larger amounts.

The only way I ever seeing it working is strict regulation on new headshops, inducing a license scheme similar to off-licenses and closing hours similar to off-licenses. A policy of selling to under 18's and only acceptable ID is Gardaí / Passport. The fact that I can walk from Connolly station to Capel street and pass 4 of them within 1-2 minute walk distance off Henry / Talbot street indicates how we need regulation of how many can open per sq10/km or something along those lines.

ro_chez

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

just had a look a minute ago, it's only down the road from me. Fathead Gerry Ryan is there with a desk, people signing petitions etc. People giving speeches, freaking out etc. Worst thing about it is, there seems to be some kind of paramilitary group there, with 32 county banners etc, so it's nice to see Gerry affiliating himself with terrorists. Seriously, I really didn't think this country was THIS retarded, and especially not in urban Dublin, I wasn't that surprised to see it happening in Roscommon town, but in my hood? Tut tut tut

So much for your war on drugs, idiots...

It seems these morons have a blog, proudly displaying the damage that had been done

http://dublin32countysm.blogspot.com/2010/03/clontarf-head-shop-protest.html

http://dublin32countysm.blogspot.com/2010/03/32csm-attend-head-shop-protest.html

Feck this, im turning in early. I've got an early start, what with the regular's from barcode, kicking the head of each other at 4am, up and down the length and breadth of Marino Mart after drinking themselves into oblivion.

God this country is full of ****

df1985

what has british rule got to do with anything.pathetic, if i was in clontarf i would of walked past into the shop and bought stuff just to piss them off! idiotic.

RMD

df1985 wrote: »

what has british rule got to do with anything.pathetic, if i was in clontarf i would of walked past into the shop and bought stuff just to piss them off! idiotic.

Nothing. My guess is it's the 32 County Sovereignty Movement looking to gain support by appearing to be on the side of the general citizen. Buying stuff wouldn't have accomplished anything, they were just there to look good.

jimmay

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