Waterford vs. Cork NHL

Orizio

On TV?

radharc

Yep.

Cork v Dublin and Down Armagh on the sat night.

Orizio

radharc wrote: »

Yep.

Cork v Dublin and Down Armagh on the sat night.

Good stuff. Humiliations of inferior hurling counties should be as public as possible, in case any of the others get ideas...

radharc

Ah I'm sure waterford will go aisy on ye, no need to worry

Daysha

It all depends on what kind of team Davy decides to put out. If he wants to continue with roughly the same XV thats started the last few games, I can see Cork winning easily enough. But if he feels it's about time guys like Mullane, Eoin Murphy and Seamus Prendergast began starting games again, it'll probably be a lot closer.

Form would suggest Cork should win though.

deisedude

Think Cork will win by a few points. Even if the older Waterford lads are starting i'd imagine they aren't going to be up to speed yet

cornerboy

Would suggest Cork by 7pts.

ShamoBuc

Cork should have little difficulty in winning. If both teams put in a good performance - then Cork by 4 pts. If Cork are not up to scratch they could run into difficulty. If Cork perform with the intensity of last Sunday Cork by 12pts. Either way Cork to win.

hardybuck

Must be a while now since Cork have had any sort of win against Waterford. Can remember Waterford having 4 wins in the one season a couple years ago.

Still Cork seem to be putting huge importance on the league this year so they should sneak it.

bullpost

Cork really upped their game against KK and there was a raw intensity to the match . This could backfire on Cork as sometimes when you peak like that its hard to focus on the next game.
Realistically though think Cork will edge it.

Pappy o' daniel

I can't understand how everyone is going for Cork. Their starting forwards only got 4 points from play against KK.

My team to play waherford.

1. Donal og
2. Brian Murphy
3. Cadogan
4. Shane Murphy
5. O'Neill
6 Curran
7 Ray Ryan
8 Gardiner
9 Naughton
10 Horgan
11 Niall MacCarthy
12 Aisake
13 Fraggie
14 Cussen
15 Paudie Sull

Waterford full back line is leaking goals so i expect Cussen to do damage if he's selected.

Daysha

I don't think anybody knows what kind of team Davy is planning for this one, now that the older lads are starting to make their way back, but I'd be happy with something like this.

1 Hennessy
2 Maher
3 Lawlor
4 Connors
5 Kearney
6 O'Sullivan
7 Nagle
8 Kelly
9 Foley
10 M. Shanahan
11 Moran
12 Molumphy
13 Mullane
14 S. Walsh
15 E. McGrath

Orizio

Cork team vs. Waterford.

1. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
2. Kevin Hartnett (Russell Rovers)
3. Eoghan Cadogan (Douglas)
4. Sean Og O hAilpín (Na Piarsaigh)
5. Shane O'Neill (Bishopstown)
6. Brian Murphy (Bride Rovers)
7. Michael Walsh (Kildorrery)
8. John Gardiner (Na Piarsaigh)
9. Cathal Naughton (Newtownshandrum)
10. Ben O'Connor (Newtownshandrum)
11. Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
12. Niall McCarthy (Carrigtwohill)
13. Kieran Murphy (Sarsfields)
14. Michael Cussen (Sarsfields)
15. Paudie O'Sullivan (Cloyne)

16. Donal Og Cusack (Cloyne)
17. Shane Murphy (Erins own)
18. Ronan Curran (St Finbarrs)
19. Aidan Ryan (Midleton)
20. Tom Kenny (Grenagh)
21. Mark O'Sullivan (Dripsey)
22. Aisake Ó hAilpín (Na Piarsaigh)
23. Luke O'Farrell (Midleton)
24. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

Hilariously bizarre defense. Fancy Waterford to win now.

deisedude

Orizio wrote: »

Cork team vs. Waterford.

Hilariously bizarre defense. Fancy Waterford to win now.

Surely wont line out like that, Walsh may be taking a leaf out of Justins book with the team selection process. Wouldnt be surprised if hartnett and sean og start in the HB line and murphy and o'neill in the FB line.

Daysha

Waterford team (thanks to Tom)

1. C Hennessy
2. E Murphy
3. M O'Brien
4. N Connoras
5. A Kearney
6. S O'Sullivan
7. J Nagle
8. E Kelly
9. R Foley
10. S Prendergast
11. K Moran
12. S Molumphy
13. E McGrath
14. S Walsh
15. T Connors

willietherock

Is Shane Casey injured?

KevIRL

willietherock wrote: »

Is Shane Casey injured?

Yep.

I wonder how much attendance will be affected today by the United - Pool game being on the box

Cake Man

KevIRL wrote: »

Yep.

I wonder how much attendance will be affected today by the United - Pool game being on the box

Just back from it now myself, good few at it I'd say about 4,000ish. Very good game too, we were more or less 4-5 points down all the way through and got a late few scores to tie it up. Kind of a case of two halves really, Cork were good first half but we came back into it more 2nd half. Draw a fair result tho IMO.
Was this on TG4? I'd say it was a great game for a neutral!

zillion

Cake Man wrote: »

Was this on TG4? I'd say it was a great game for a neutral!

Was on TG4, very enjoyable game to watch in to be fair. Heated up nicely in the second half.

Having been at the game do you think that the referee stifled the game a bit? He seemed to be blowing for any bit of contact at all and lacked any consistency. Can be a bit different watching on TV though.

Cake Man

zillion wrote: »

Was on TG4, very enjoyable game to watch in to be fair. Heated up nicely in the second half.

Having been at the game do you think that the referee stifled the game a bit? He seemed to be blowing for any bit of contact at all and lacked any consistency. Can be a bit different watching on TV though.

Yeah I think he seemed to pull up for any sort of contact tbh, he seemed a bit trigger happy with the whistle. He gave a few frees on both sides that could probably have been left go really.

suitcasepink

I dont think Waterford are in nay position to critise the ref tbf, it was Eoin Kelly's free taking that kept them in it! I thought Mark O Brien had a good game considering Cussen was a full head taller than him. Both Shanahans were very poor when they came on though, Maurice went invisible for a while and Dan just fell over the ball apart from when he won the free.

What happend with the Waterford goal in the first half anyone know? Did Walsh get a touch to it or was it Kellys?

Cake Man

deise_girl wrote: »

I dont think Waterford are in nay position to critise the ref tbf, it was Eoin Kelly's free taking that kept them in it! I thought Mark O Brien had a good game considering Cussen was a full head taller than him. Both Shanahans were very poor when they came on though, Maurice went invisible for a while and Dan just fell over the ball apart from when he won the free.

What happend with the Waterford goal in the first half anyone know? Did Walsh get a touch to it or was it Kellys?

Definitely, Kelly scored 1-16, some scoring but it's worrying that we only managed 1-4 from the rest of the team not a great return by any means.
Yeah Cussen caused us big problems first half but in fairness to O' Brien he kept him quiet enough after that. Was nervous with every ball that came down on top of the two of them, Cussen could pluck any ball out of the air!
Shanahans weren't great, few others had a poor game too-Molumphy, Shane Walsh, Moran, T. Connors to name a few. Eoin McGrath was shocking tbh, just shouldn't have him starting again.
Na, Kelly just lobbed it in (went for a point I'd say), Walsh went up with the keeper and the keeper missed it and the ball went in. A bit flukey but we badly needed it at the time!

flahavaj

Thought it was great match and much cause for optimism for both sides. Good to see Waterford still have the bit of fight in them. Thought Shane O Sullivan was very good at centre back and Noel Connors put in a great shift in the corner in particular. Much happier seeing Kelly out the field and thought Shane Walsh was a good physical presence at full forward.

All in all a good afternoon's work for Waterford. Thought O' Brien did OK apart from the two goals, but unfoprtunately we still are good to concede at least three per game which just won't be good enough come Championship time.:(

suitcasepink

Cake Man wrote: »

Definitely, Kelly scored 1-16, some scoring but it's worrying that we only managed 1-4 from the rest of the team not a great return by any means.
Yeah Cussen caused us big problems first half but in fairness to O' Brien he kept him quiet enough after that. Was nervous with every ball that came down on top of the two of them, Cussen could pluck any ball out of the air!
Shanahans weren't great, few others had a poor game too-Molumphy, Shane Walsh, Moran, T. Connors to name a few. Eoin McGrath was shocking tbh, just shouldn't have him starting again.
Na, Kelly just lobbed it in (went for a point I'd say), Walsh went up with the keeper and the keeper missed it and the ball went in. A bit flukey but we badly needed it at the time!

Yeh it was quite poor of our forwards alright, Eoin McGrath was ridiculous, couldnt do anything with the sliothar at all. Tommy Connors didnt play though did he? God i feel like an idoit if he did, but it was Thomas Ryan that started instead of him, wasnt it? Ringo was poor enough in the first half but he really pulled it together for the second.
I am happy with it though, I thought we'd get a fair beating but Eoin Kelly kept us in it, and Ryans goal really helped things!

Cake Man

deise_girl wrote: »

Yeh it was quite poor of our forwards alright, Eoin McGrath was ridiculous, couldnt do anything with the sliothar at all. Tommy Connors didnt play though did he? God i feel like an idoit if he did, but it was Thomas Ryan that started instead of him, wasnt it? Ringo was poor enough in the first half but he really pulled it together for the second.
I am happy with it though, I thought we'd get a fair beating but Eoin Kelly kept us in it, and Ryans goal really helped things!

Yeah he was awful, trying to do too many fancy flicks and touches and caught for overcarrying the ball. His shooting is poor and takes too much out of the ball when in a scoring position.
Not sure, I know Tomas Ryan did start but according to RTE teletext they credited Thomas Conners with the goal and it was down the opposite end from where I wa standing so I'm not too sure!

Kinda disappointing that our last 3 games mean little considering we probably won't be able to qualify for the league final (unless we beat Tipp and/or KK away which is doubtful) and we won't get relegated so it'll prob be a mid table finish. Three good performances in our last 3 games and I'll be happy enough. Expect us to beat Offaly at home and to get a win v Tipp or KK would be a nice bonus!

dartbhoy

A good game of hurling and i thought a draw was a fair result. I really thought Cork were in trouble at half time after playing with the wind in the 1st half and they only been up 3 points but they done well in the 2nd half. Both teams still have a lot of work to do before the championship starts.

Deise Tom

I know what i am going to say is going to go down like a lead balloon, but Waterford today were woeful. For one man to get 17 points, the post of which came from frees said it all. I feel this Waterford team is going backwards. A few years ago with much the same team we were winning Munster Finals, we won the National League, and we reached an All-Ireland Final with a panel of players priomerally put together by another back room team/management team.

Good players (and we have many, some of the best there is around at the present time) do not become poorer players over night. Despite they been two or three years since we were winning Munster and League Finals, there is still plenty of hurling left in most of them. If its not the players thats bringing us backwards (in my view - i'm not going to ask people to agree with me), it has to be some one else.

zillion

Cake Man wrote: »

Yeah I think he seemed to pull up for any sort of contact tbh, he seemed a bit trigger happy with the whistle. He gave a few frees on both sides that could probably have been left go really.

Ya, I wasn't arguing from any teams point of view specifically. I don't like criticising refs but its hurling and the only way to play it is to let it flow a bit. He was blowing for any type of tap with the hurley whens lads were defending.

He called Mark O'Sullivan for travelling at one stage as well, couldn't believe it.

Booked Naughton harshly and then left Sean Og off for a high tackle, complete lack of consistency.

I also happened to think the first Waterford goal was a free out, he just jumped into the keeper rather than playing the ball. Might have seen it wrong but I couldn't understand that there weren't any objections!

Rant over:)

Orizio

Happy enough with the result, still unbeaten, decent performance as well, Ben O'Connor, Cussen and Micheal Walsh stood out.

zillion

Deise Tom wrote: »

I know what i am going to say is going to go down like a lead balloon, but Waterford today were woeful. For one man to get 17 points, the post of which came from frees said it all. I feel this Waterford team is going backwards. A few years ago with much the same team we were winning Munster Finals, we won the National League, and we reached an All-Ireland Final with a panel of players priomerally put together by another back room team/management team.

Good players (and we have many, some of the best there is around at the present time) do not become poorer players over night. Despite they been two or three years since we were winning Munster and League Finals, there is still plenty of hurling left in most of them. If its not the players thats bringing us backwards (in my view - i'm not going to ask people to agree with me), it has to be some one else.

I reckon a big factor is motivation. No doubt Waterford have a lot of classy hurlers but some of the biggest names have been hurling for a while now. I don't doubt the commitment and desire but at that high level, with so many really good players, you really have to be foaming at the mouth for the big games. Look at the intensity Tipp have been bringing recently, it is very hard to keep that going. I don't know how Kilkenny have managed to maintain their desire to out work teams as well as out hurl them.

Waterford are still able to pull massive performances but I reckon it gets harder to string them together throughout a championship. Waterford won't be too far away this summer so I wouldn't start criticising management at this stage of the year.

KevIRL

Agree that despite the result today was not a good day for Waterford performance wise. Was pleased to see a decent attendance on what was a lovely day for hurling at Walsh Park. Cork really should have put it away a lot sooner and in fact could easily have been out of sight by half time. The second half however was much better from Waterford, helped no doubt by Mullanes introduction. An immense performance from Eoin Kelly, 1-17 is a great score, but its scary to think how weak we now appear to be in the forwards (over the last few years our strength area), over the last 2 games one midfielder has contributed 2-27 of our scores.

Postives player wise were Kelly obviously, his free taking was extremely accurate, maybe missed 3 over the whole game. O Brien at full back was decent as was Connors at 4, but we are still leaking goals. The half back line is sorely missing Brick Walsh, although Shane O Sullivan improved on the last day and Ringo was solid enough. Shane Walsh looked lively enough at FF, he could have scored a goal early however. Thomas Ryan scored a cracker and is looking like a strong prospect for the future although this year may be to soon for him

Negatives player wise..Eoin McGrath had a nightmare, the old problem of not being able to stay on his feet, and no sense of purpose when he had the ball. Seamus Prendergast really needs to use his size more, he should just look at Cussen for a better idea of what to do. Maurice Shan yet again this season was just pushed off the ball far too easily when he came on. Richie Foley and Kevin Moran were far off their best and first touch was very poor, whereas Molumphy had one of those days and was ineffectual.

Regarding the line, why wasnt Mullane brought on sooner, I know the guy has been rested but it was clear from his warm ups that he was itching to get on. When he was finally given the word he was coming on, he was left standing togged off with helmet on for about 5 mins before actually being introduced. He scored 2 points with his first 2 touches, bringing some badly needed menace to a lethargic Waterford attack, we actually could have won this if he was brought on sooner.

Well, its only the league and all that, hopefully we can get the full squad playing over the next few weeks and get into a rhythm otherwsie Clare could catch us on the hop in the Championship. The league final is still not fully out of reach and it would have been had we lost today, so that is a plus. It will take 3 wins in the final 3 games (Offaly h, Tipp a, Kilkenny a) to get there - no easy task

Deise Tom

KevIRL wrote: »

Agree that despite the result today was not a good day for Waterford performance wise. Was pleased to see a decent attendance on what was a lovely day for hurling at Walsh Park. Cork really should have put it away a lot sooner and in fact could easily have been out of sight by half time. The second half however was much better from Waterford, helped no doubt by Mullanes introduction. An immense performance from Eoin Kelly, 1-17 is a great score, but its scary to think how weak we now appear to be in the forwards (over the last few years our strength area), over the last 2 games one midfielder has contributed 2-27 of our scores.

Postives player wise were Kelly obviously, his free taking was extremely accurate, maybe missed 3 over the whole game. O Brien at full back was decent as was Connors at 4, but we are still leaking goals. The half back line is sorely missing Brick Walsh, although Shane O Sullivan improved on the last day and Ringo was solid enough. Shane Walsh looked lively enough at FF, he could have scored a goal early however. Thomas Ryan scored a cracker and is looking like a strong prospect for the future although this year may be to soon for him

Negatives player wise..Eoin McGrath had a nightmare, the old problem of not being able to stay on his feet, and no sense of purpose when he had the ball. Seamus Prendergast really needs to use his size more, he should just look at Cussen for a better idea of what to do. Maurice Shan yet again this season was just pushed off the ball far too easily when he came on. Richie Foley and Kevin Moran were far off their best and first touch was very poor, whereas Molumphy had one of those days and was ineffectual.

Regarding the line, why wasnt Mullane brought on sooner, I know the guy has been rested but it was clear from his warm ups that he was itching to get on. When he was finally given the word he was coming on, he was left standing togged off with helmet on for about 5 mins before actually being introduced. He scored 2 points with his first 2 touches, bringing some badly needed menace to a lethargic Waterford attack, we actually could have won this if he was brought on sooner.

Well, its only the league and all that, hopefully we can get the full squad playing over the next few weeks and get into a rhythm otherwsie Clare could catch us on the hop in the Championship. The league final is still not fully out of reach and it would have been had we lost today, so that is a plus. It will take 3 wins in the final 3 games (Offaly h, Tipp a, Kilkenny a) to get there - no easy task

I reckon that of the three games left to play, if we get 2 points we will do well. We should beat Offaly, but i cant see us beating either Tipp or Kilkenny unless of course there is a dramitic improvement, on what we have seen in the last three games, not of which i would be entirely happy with.

KevIRL

Deise Tom wrote: »

I reckon that of the three games left to play, if we get 2 points we will do well. We should beat Offaly, but i cant see us beating either Tipp or Kilkenny unless of course there is a dramitic improvement, on what we have seen in the last three games, not of which i would be entirely happy with.

Afraid to say I agree with you there Tom, actually I wouldnt be surprised to see us lose to Offaly, we could easily go in with one of our over confident mindsets into that one, and get caught. We'd probably go out then and beat Tipp and/or KK cause the players seem to be motivated for these games.

We must only be an outside prospect for a final place though

Deise Tom

KevIRL wrote: »

Afraid to say I agree with you there Tom, actually I wouldnt be surprised to see us lose to Offaly, we could easily go in with one of our over confident mindsets into that one, and get caught. We'd probably go out then and beat Tipp and/or KK cause the players seem to be motivated for these games.

We must only be an outside prospect for a final place though

I would be in no rush to a bookies to back Waterrford reaching the final let alone win it. I feel if we finish fifth we will be doing well. I see Tipp, Kilkenny, Galway and Cork all finsihing above is.

ShamoBuc

Most enjoyable game. Plenty of scores ,plenty of action, plenty to talk about. Both of the teams will be happy enough.

Orizio

Interestingly, Cork scored 3-11 from play and Waterford 2-5.

grenache

Orizio wrote: »

Interestingly, Cork scored 3-11 from play and Waterford 2-5.

Surely Cork must be favourites for Munster, if not the All Ireland, after today's performance Orizio

cornerboy

Glad there is a bit of realism here. Wasnt at the game but WLR would give you the impression that it was one of the great displays. Mind you someone on that station, who should know better, stated that the game against Dublin was a complete performance.

Pappy o' daniel

Can't see how a goalkeeper can be taken out a full second before the ball arrives and the goal is allowed to stand.
Also Waterford got 14 points from frees to corks 7. Very biased ref.

KevIRL

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Can't see how a goalkeeper can be taken out a full second before the ball arrives and the goal is allowed to stand.
Also Waterford got 14 points from frees to corks 7. Very biased ref.

I thought the goal shouldnt have stood to be fair. But Cork were giving away a lot of niggly frees throughout the game, silly considering the form Kelly was in. The fact that the free count was significantly higher for one team does not neccessarly mean a biased ref.

Orizio

grenache wrote: »

Surely Cork must be favourites for Munster, if not the All Ireland, after today's performance Orizio

It's rare that I disagree with you Grenache and here yet again you are spot on. Easy double on the way.

willietherock

What age is Thomas Ryan? Says in the Examiner he's still a teenager!
Anyone know if Kindegan is on the panel?

thesultan

I think Ryan is twenty.

Bduffman

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Can't see how a goalkeeper can be taken out a full second before the ball arrives and the goal is allowed to stand.
Also Waterford got 14 points from frees to corks 7. Very biased ref.

Or perhaps poor Cork defending meaning they had to foul? I counted at least three times that a clear goal was on only for the player to be fouled & a free given instead. Any one of those goals converted would have meant a win for Waterford.

cornerboy

willietherock wrote: »

What age is Thomas Ryan? Says in the Examiner he's still a teenager!
Anyone know if Kindegan is on the panel?

Ryan is a UCC student at least 20 - 21.
Kindregan was on the extended panel but saw little light and pulled out in the last few weeks.

hardybuck

Despite all our experimentation we haven't found anyone who is pushing hard for a championship start. Kelly got the huge score, Mullane got about 4 points and Seamus Prendergast got another 2 I think. Same old faces. We've STILL no decent full back option.

I'd be looking at putting Brick full back and Seamus Prender full forward going on the league so far. I don't think I'd use any of the new lads at the moment.

thesultan

Thank god you are not picking the team

Deise Tom

willietherock wrote: »

What age is Thomas Ryan? Says in the Examiner he's still a teenager!
Anyone know if Kindegan is on the panel?

20 this year.

KevIRL

thesultan wrote: »

Thank god you are not picking the team

Care to elaborate? I'm not saying he's right at all, but people coming in making a throwaway comments like this are what can ruin decent discussion on internet forums. Maybe back up your opinion why his selection is poor, perhaps even give your own selection?

hardybuck

thesultan wrote: »

Thank god you are not picking the team

What six forwards would you pick so? Hurney is gone. Shanahan looked even further off the pace than he did two years ago which would be difficult considering how bad he was, and he has had a rest. So unless you are contemplating a huge chage in policy by choosing a small full forward you are struggling for options.

As for full back, we've shipped too many goals without facing a decent full forward line yet. Cork-had young lads, Galway-without Canning and Hayes, a 2nd string Limerick and Dublin. I shudder to think of what KK, Tipp or Galway would do to the likes of Lawlor, Fives or O'Brien come the summer.

Deise Tom

hardybuck wrote: »

What six forwards would you pick so? Hurney is gone. Shanahan looked even further off the pace than he did two years ago which would be difficult considering how bad he was, and he has had a rest. So unless you are contemplating a huge chage in policy by choosing a small full forward you are struggling for options.

As for full back, we've shipped too many goals without facing a decent full forward line yet. Cork-had young lads, Galway-without Canning and Hayes, a 2nd string Limerick and Dublin. I shudder to think of what KK, Tipp or Galway would do to the likes of Lawlor, Fives or O'Brien come the summer.

If you want a big full forward, how come you have not mentioned Seamus Prendergast. Theres more options to Dan and Gary Hurney. Shane Walsh is also doing well there. He is no small man either.