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15-03-2010 9:28am#1
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muckwarrior wrote: »How come? Too hard on juice? Mechanical problems?
Yeah thirsty which I dont mind but the small fuel tank made it frustrating. Constant flooding issues at the most inconvinent times, (I did take care to avoid short trips). Lack of torque, terrible terrible lack of torque, oh why is there no torque
Terrible dealer experience. Shocking depreciation (9 months ownership lost 13k). Knacker magnet, Sounds like a hoover.
On the positive side, when you drive it just right the handling is fantastic, the power is OK. The stereo is very good and the seats comfy. Also not bad practically with the rear doors.0 -
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Personally I don't have one, however the bro does have one and its a dream to drive:D
It's a '06 231bhp exclusive with 18's. Has the full black leather interior with A/C and sunroof.
Got to drive it back once from Athlone, oh the thrill of it!!!;)
All 2003-2008 RX-8s with sports suspension have the 18" alloys i.e. the majority of 8's in Ireland
I actually have yet to see an 8 with the 16/17" alloys. They don't look great to be honest!
I hope you had fun
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Hi imac! Welcome to the thread!
What year is your car? You don't need to hold the revs before turning it off if you have the upgraded starter. If you have a 03/04/early 05 then you have the old ****e starter.
My 8 was also punched.....while I was driving it! Some ****en dirty knacker hit it a punch just over the offside rear wheel arch and left a dent. Apart from that it's only been "vandalised" by birds relieving themselves 0 -
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einheisserschre wrote: »Apart from that it's only been "vandalised" by birds relieving themselves
Completely misunderstood that first time, though you ment birds as in women was getting pretty worried.0 -
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Completely misunderstood that first time, though you ment birds as in women was getting pretty worried.
Hahaha women sometimes destroy it too by droolingAnytime I see an RX8 it brings a smile to my face, it's such a nice looking car. Seems affordable to buy, seen them from €6,000 in places, only problem is the MPG. Don't know about insurance though, I read somewhere it's marked as 2 litre?
It's a performance car, you hardly expect economy?! Hah
Physically it's a 1.3 (2 x 654cc chambers), It's taxed as a 1.8, insured as a 2.6 and if it were transformed into a piston engine it would be a 3.5 V60 -
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einheisserschre wrote: »It's taxed as a 1.8, insured as a 2.6
I had a very long battle with Hibernian over that. After enough questioning and requesting of metrics, someone eventually let slip that the reason it's insured as a 2.6 is because "while it only a 1.3, it actually has 2 engines"...1.3 + 1.3 = 2.6!!!
I ended up faxing a copy of the owners manual showing that while it's 2 engines, theyre actualy 0.6 litres, along with a letter essentially saying that they're putting a premium on it based on false pretences, and if they wanted to compensate for the extra power over a 1.3 due to the rotary that they should do it as 1.8 because A) that's what it's taxed as, and
i gave them a couple of examples of 1.8 cars with the same power output.
It shouldn't get shafted because it's efficient. Yes some 3.5 litres have 190 - 240 bhp, but they're highly inefficient, some 1.8's also put out that power!
It's been escalated to the head underwriter's office in the UK, but i left and went with over25.ie before it ever got resolved!
I had fun arguing though.0 -
spottyelephant wrote: »I had a very long battle with Hibernian over that. After enough questioning and requesting of metrics, someone eventually let slip that the reason it's insured as a 2.6 is because "while it only a 1.3, it actually has 2 engines"...1.3 + 1.3 = 2.6!!!
I ended up faxing a copy of the owners manual showing that while it's 2 engines, theyre actualy 0.6 litres, along with a letter essentially saying that they're putting a premium on it based on false pretences, and if they wanted to compensate for the extra power over a 1.3 due to the rotary that they should do it as 1.8 because A) that's what it's taxed as, and i gave them a couple of examples of 1.8 cars with the same power output.
It shouldn't get shafted because it's efficient. Yes some 3.5 litres have 190 - 240 bhp, but they're highly inefficient, some 1.8's also put out that power!
It's been escalated to the head underwriter's office in the UK, but i left and went with over25.ie before it ever got resolved!
I had fun arguing though.
It doesn't have 2 engines. Each rotor & Housing is 654cc - not 1308. EDIT: I see you said that
That's like saying a car with 4 cylinders (i.e. 4 pistons) has 4 engines!
Also, I don't understand why in a drop down list, some insurance sites have "RX-8" and "RX8" as 2 different options. That annoys me!0 -
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I always assumed it was classed as a 2.6 because it's considered twice as powerful as a piston engine due to the fact a piston engine makes one combustion stroke per cylinder for every two rotations of the crankshaft (that is, one-half power stroke per crankshaft rotation per cylinder), each combustion chamber in the Wankel generates one combustion stroke per each driveshaft rotation (from wikipedia).
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether an insurance company classes it as a 1.3 or a 2.6, they can still load it to the hilt. It's a bitch though
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einheisserschre wrote: »Hi imac! Welcome to the thread!
What year is your car? You don't need to hold the revs before turning it off if you have the upgraded starter. If you have a 03/04/early 05 then you have the old ****e starter.
My 8 was also punched.....while I was driving it! Some ****en dirty knacker hit it a punch just over the offside rear wheel arch and left a dent. Apart from that it's only been "vandalised" by birds relieving themselves
It's a 04 one, it has a FSH with a Mazda garage but I don't think the starter was ever upgraded. Must check it out though, I do get a few odd looks from people when I'm revving the engine just after parking up! Yeah a similar thing happened to be, it looked like someone had punched a dent with the palm of their hand on the side panel over the wheel arch and then kicked two smaller dents in the same spot on the other side! Got Paul from Autodent to fix it up, totally got rid of the dents and buffed out the scratches. Went to Belgard for a quote on the wing mirror unit and they told me €500 for a brand new unpainted one! Ended up getting a second hand one already painted from the US for only €130 inc. P&P.
Knew before I bought the car that it'd be taxed as a 1.8L and insured as a 2.6L which doesn't make much sense especially when you're trying to explain to people that even though the engine size is technically 1.3L it has the power of a 2.6L. The best MPG I ever got out of it was 22 MPG and that was mostly on the motorway from Dublin to Cork. I opted for the 5 gear 192bhp version thinking it might be slightly more economical that the 6 gear 231bhp one but apparently there's no difference in economy or insurance. If I had a second chance I'd definitely go for the 231bhp instead for the extra bit of power and leather interior.
I wonder has anyone been able to afford to import a '10 reg RX-8, the newest I've seen on the road was a '09.0 -
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Thanks einheisserschre, that's interesting to know. I'm getting about 29mpg in my current car, so that wouldn't be a big decrease.
Those sound like more regular maintenance tasks - do the engines require a serious pieces of work at certain intervals? i.e. is it an urban myth that they need a rebuild?
Also, is the car tail happy and liable to catch you out?
Overall, they look like cracking value and a pretty practical performance car (if a little thirstier than some in its niche). I'm getting the itch for a new car again, and it looks like a great option.
I presume the 230 is the one to go for?
The regular maintenance isn't a problem if you want to do it. I myself love doing it. It also gives me peace of mind when redlining the revs in all 6 gears
The engine doesn't require serious work if you look after the oil levels. This whole idea of rebuilds after 60,000 miles stems from owners not being happy with the power and getting someone who has no knowledge of rotary engines to install a turbo without remapping the ecu to input more oil and the proper cooling systems weren't installed properly either - hence kaboom!!
With regard to your tail talk - I haven't ever tracked my car nor have I ever pushed it but from what I have read, it lets you push to the extreme before losing it but it jumps back very easily due to the LSD.
Ah look, will ya whisht with your "little thirstier" and buy one for feck sake!?:D Yeah, the 231 is the one to go for. Nearly everyone I know with the 192 regrets not getting the 230!
Also, when you do get your 8, don't worry as there's LOTS of room for improvement in power and torque which you can do yourself with the help of an RX-8 tuning expert in the US:D 0 -
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The rebuild myth is also partly a carry over from the RX7, the turbos put a lot of extra pressure on the engine seals. The engine has been modified quite a bit for the RX8, there's no turbos, the ports have been modified, I believe cooling has been improved, and lubrication has been improved. There have also been ECU updates further improving lubrication so it's a good idea to make sure these were done in any car you're considering.Those sound like more regular maintenance tasks - do the engines require a serious pieces of work at certain intervals? i.e. is it an urban myth that they need a rebuild?
In general if the engines have been looked after and well maintained they seem to be pretty reliable, there's quite a few on the american forums at least which have done 150k+ without any problems. There's also plenty which have had problems but they all seem to be ones where regular maintenance (oil changes, top ups etc) have not been carried out. Problems caused by carbon buildup seem common too (carbon builds up if the cars are never driven hard and the engine is never cleaned), but again regular maintenance prevents.
A service which includes plugs and coils can be a big ticket item, I've seen mention of it costing between €1,200 and €1,600 when the parts are dealer supplied. But the plugs and coils can be got online for €300 or less and are a simple task to fit (there's detailed guides online). Other than that servicing is entirely normal.
It isn't really, I've gotten the tail out a little twice in the dry but only because I was trying toAlso, is the car tail happy and liable to catch you out? (under safe controlled conditions of course). In general driving either in the wet or dry it's very stable and well planted. Despite the power, it behaves very well and because the power only really switches on when you drive hard so it's very easy to drive normally.
It's a fantastic car, and huge value for the price, it's a great combination of fun, practicallity, comfort and value.Overall, they look like cracking value and a pretty practical performance car (if a little thirstier than some in its niche). I'm getting the itch for a new car again, and it looks like a great option.
I presume the 230 is the one to go for?
The 231 is definitely the one to go for. The 192 supposedly has slightly better torque and MPG but the difference seems so small as to be negligble. The 231 has a good bit more power, a higher redline (where all the fun is), and typically a much higher spec (heated leather, sunroof, bose 6 cd changer, xenons, auto-climate etc). There doesn't seem to be much difference in price either so I can't think of any reason to go for a 192.0 -
Ya ignition coils
mine is in the garage at the moment because of those ended up breaking down in limerick and had to have the car recovered back to cork - worst thing in the world. Outside of that though outstanding car...it's a bit hairy in the ice and snow, was driving a good bit during the bad spell we had and I did spend alot of time going side ways in saying that it was very easy to control and rein back in, fun but scarey.
On the insurance thing I have an 06 231 with fully comp for like 700euro from 123 - I'm 25 with like 6 years ncb though so that probably helps. Considering getting a M3 next though only like 50-100 more expensive on insurance - lots more on tax. From a tax perspective though over 200 bhp for 1.8 litre tax is good value if you leave out the whole getting screwed over for tax on a 1.3.0 -
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