Pacquiao is lucky he wasn't facing Mayweather instead of Clottey

richierichballs

Okay, I’ve seen the Pacquiao-Clottey fight, and I now think Pacquiao should consider himself the luckiest man on the face of the earth that he wasn’t facing Floyd Mayweather Jr. instead of Joshua Clottey last night at the Dallas Cowboy Stadium. Mayweather would have boxed the socks of Pacquiao and given headaches for ages. As it was, Clottey hit Pacquiao at will. Really, it was like Clottey couldn’t miss with his shots. Granted, it would have helped if Clottey had at least thrown a few more punches and shown an interest in actually winning the fight instead of just looking to survive.

But he landed some nice shots when he would remember throw punches. Pacquiao’s face looked badly marked up by the end of the fight, and I think he would have been sliced, diced and minced had it been Mayweather in the ring inside of the limited Clottey. I can see now why Clottey was “selected” as Pacquiao’s opponent rather than someone else like Mayweather or Mosley. Clottey did his part of playing as a human punching bag, offering up little in the way of offense that would trip up the Pacquiao gravy train. I think now more than ever, Pacquiao won’t be put in with Mayweather. You can see how basic and beatable Pacquiao is after the Clottey fight.
No way will be put in with a sharp shooting talent like Mayweather. Yeah, we’re going to here all the same excuses about Pacquiao not wanting to take the Olympic style random blood tests, and that jive. But the bottom line is Pacquiao won’t be put in with a fighter like Mayweather. If Pacquiao is going to fight anyone, it will be Shane Mosley after Mosley gets dominated by Mayweather. Oh, it won’t look good for Pacquiao to be facing a Mayweather victim, but that’s I see it happening. It’ll be Mosley, maybe Miguel Cotto again or Yuri Foreman. It won’t Mayweather.
What I saw of Pacquiao last night against Clottey, I think even Mosley will wipe the deck with Pacquiao all night long. The problem for Manny is that the guy has no defense. He blocks nothing. He keeps his hands up like he’s going to block punches, but he doesn’t. The shots that Clottey was throwing sailed right through Pacquiao’s gloves as if Manny had an eye problem picking up the shots.
If Clottey can do that, as well as Cotto, Mosley will rip him apart. Mosley won’t stop throwing and will let his punches go unlike Clottey. Mayweather would literally top with the Pacquiao that fought on Saturday night. It wouldn’t even be interesting aside from looking it in clinical sort of way with the hype machine being dismantled. I don’t know what to say about Clottey. He had his chance and blew it.
If he had thrown 20 more punches per round, I think he could have beaten Pacquiao. I mean Clottey would have landed all 20 of those punches through the nonexistent defense of Pacquiao would have been enough to get the win.
I think Pacquiao needs to continue fighting the guys he’s been fighting, and stay away from the likes of Mayweather or Mosley. That’s my advice. I think Pacquiao can beat the Hatton, Cotto, De La Hoya and Clottey types, but it’s a whole different matter facing Mayweather and Mosley.

joepenguin

With the way Clottey fought it was hard for Pacquiao to do anything but stand right in front of him and throw shots. There was no real need for strategy, angles, footwork etc certainly not elite level stuff when the guy just stands in front of you. So Pac got to show off very little of his repertoire.

Plus he prob got complacent with his stationary opponent so got hit with a high % of what was thrown.

At least we know he can go 12 rounds at full pelt with a proper welterweight.

Mayweather is another kettle of fish and if he doesnt ask shane to subject himself to olympic testing then he certainly has no right to ask pac.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Mayweather - Mosely now to see what kind of shape Mayweather is in. If he is still at his best then we have a proper superfight on our hands.

walshb

Show me any other welter who could do what Pac did to Clottey?

No way Mayweather is laying a beating on Clottey like that.

Yes, Clottey was not real busy, we knew this would be likely, but would
Floyd be all that busier?

I saw Pac at his absolute best the other night, vs. a man a stone heavier and two inches taller. The body work alone from Pac was something to behold. Pac threw more hard and placed body shots than Floyd throws punches.

Floyd gives us a shutout win vs. a blown up LW, Pacman shuts out a much bigger welter/light middle...
What is more impressive?

sweetswing

floyd just squeaked by del la hoya because oscar ran out of steam, pac man will not run out of steam, he will put more pressure , give him more angles , hit him faster and harder than he has ever been hit before.
the only chance i give mayweather against packman is if he just runs away (which he will) and frustrates pac so much that he gives up his game plan .
its a great match up, but they need to fight soon , mayweather needs to get his finger out of his ass and sign on the dotted line.

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Show me any other welter who could do what Pac did to Clottey?

Clottey wouldnt fight the way he did against Pac against any other fighter,
He is scared of Pacquiao

walshb wrote: »

Yes, Clottey was not real busy, we knew this would be likely, but would
Floyd be all that busier?

Of course he would, he moves around the ring as hater say he "runs,"
Doesnt stand there like a punching bag that Clottey was....
Floyd creates angles, makes you chase him and works off the counter

walshb wrote: »

I saw Pac at his absolute best the other night, vs. a man a stone heavier and two inches taller. The body work alone from Pac was something to behold. Pac threw more hard and placed body shots than Floyd throws punches.

Again, it is when your opponent isnt throwing back...
I could batter a prime Muhammad Ali over 12 rounds if he stood there with hands up on front of me not throwing back

walshb wrote: »

Floyd gives us a shutout win vs. a blown up LW, Pacman shuts out a much bigger welter/light middle...
What is more impressive?

Marquez tried to fight Floyd,
Clottey was there for the pay cheque not the win...
He did nothing,
Accept it

walshb

So, explain how when Clottey did open up and throw some very good shots that Pacquiao came back to blitz him and steal the rds?

Even when Clottey tried he was met with greater fury. Had he opened up more, Pacquiao would have landed more and possibly taken him out.

Floyd will present a completely different fight, but one thing is for sure, this Pacman won't be as bloody tentative and lame as JMM was. A complete mismatch and non test. For Floyd to win, he will have to be prepared to be on full alert and extra extra busy, something he doesn't at all like.

Watch his bout with Castillo, a much lesser fighter than Pac in every way, and you will see that Floyd is in trouble here. Also, Floyd isn't as sharp today as he was at LW/LWW. Pacman today is every bit better than the 130-135-140 version.

Floyd squeezed by a very past it Oscar in a fight that I thought Oscar won.

Up to the Hatton bout and including it I still favored Floyd, but after watching an even
greater Pacaman destroy both Cotto and Clottey, I now think and want
Pacman to win.

Should Floyd do it and win, I will be the first to applaud him. I like him as a fighter and
like it when a great fighter proves he is great, but I think Pacman is too good right now

You know, how can the bout happen really. Mayweather is surely still going to
insist on his new rules, and Manny isn't going to budge, just like before.

I don't believe the fight will happen at all.

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

So, explain how when Clottey did open up and throw some very good shots that Pacquiao came back to blitz him and steal the rds?

He came back to blitz him because Clottey was standing dead on front of him!
Clottey would throw a right hand (Land flush) and then cover up again straight away, Not move to the side not back off but just stay there like a punch bag waiting to get hit......

walshb wrote: »

Even when Clottey tried he was met with greater fury. Had he opened up more, Pacquiao would have landed more and possibly taken him out.

Pac was throwing shots to his head and hitting him with nothing, He was not getting through his guard, Pacs face was more busted up the Clotteys

walshb wrote: »

Floyd will present a completely different fight, but one thing is for sure, this Pacman won't be as bloody tentative and lame as JMM was. A complete mismatch and non test. For Floyd to win, he will have to be prepared to be on full alert and extra extra busy, something he doesn't at all like.

Mismatch? Marquez threw punches!!!
How the hell can you call May-Marquez a mismatch after watching Pac-Clottey???
Clottey did absolutely nothing at all!
Threw the odd right hand, Did you hear people talk about May-Marquez being rigged?
Absolutely not, It was like Clottey had no intentions of winning that fight!

walshb wrote: »

Watch his bout with Castillo, a much lesser fighter than Pac in every way, and you will see that Floyd is in trouble here. Also, Floyd isn't as sharp today as he was at LW/LWW. Pacman today is every bit better than the 130-135-140 version.

Yeah i've seen that fight, It was eight years ago......
Boxers improve dramatically over eight years......
Floyd also had a slipped disk in his shoulder for that fight

walshb wrote: »

Floyd squeezed by a very past it Oscar in a fight that I thought Oscar won.

Then you obviously where brianwashed by the HBO commentarys,
Floyd won that fight clearly, Watch the fight on Mute and you will realise Floyd clearly won.....
They tried to make it seem more competitive because it was a boring fight and there was also talk of a rematch prior to the fight due to the sheer coverage it got....

walshb wrote: »

Up to the Hatton bout and including it I still favored Floyd, but after watching an even
greater Pacaman destroy both Cotto and Clottey, I now think and want
Pacman to win.

Hatton was finished when Pac got him, He was over trained and I'd even say a little weight drained also, Hatton was damaged goods after the Mayweather fight, Both Mentally and Physically.....
Cotto had been beaten with Bricks by Margarito and Clottey had clearly no intention of trying to win that fight

walshb wrote: »

Should Floyd do it and win, I will be the first to applaud him. I like him as a fighter and
like it when a great fighter proves he is great, but I think Pacman is too good right now

Floyd will beat him no doubt,
Here are some of my thoughts on the fight with Pac-Clottey,
I don't give Manny much credit for the win, He was fighting a man who wouldn't throw back at him,
I give him credit for his stamina and workrate though,
Manny too a certain extent was exposed in my eyes.

He looked abit one dimensional,
You can have all the offence ability in the world but with no defense you’re not going to last long against a good counter puncher....
E.g. Juan Manuel Marquez or Floyd Mayweather jr,
Clottey was getting through, each time he threw something it landed,
Manny had absolutely no Head movement what so ever in that fight and was a sitting duck to be countered (Clottey wouldnt throw though),
Manny continuely Punched Clottey arms when it is was clear he didn't have the power to hurt Clotteys arms and get him to drop,
Nor did he have the power to hurt Clottey to the body....
Credit to Clottey for conditioning,
What I am saying is this Manny has had no great wins over BOXERS,
Manny is a FIGHTER two different things in this sport,
He was exposed against Juan Manuel Marquez who is a pure BOXER he is a counter puncher just like Floyd,
Now he has great wins over Marco Anthonio Barrera, Erik Morales, David Diaz, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto,
What do these Guys have in common?
They are all FIGHTERS they go to fight and pressure the opponent, get in wars and knock you out,
The one BOXER who Manny fought Juan Manuel Marquez gave Manny hell and imo beat Manny he countered Manny allnight,
No think what a PURE BOXER such as Floyd Mayweather jr. who relies on his Speed, Reflexes, Movement and Defence to counterpunch you is going to do to Manny Pacquiao?
Clottey landed Every right hand, Floyd is a demon for his Straight Right hand potshot,
He is the most Accurate puncher in the sport today....
If Clottey can land every single Right hand he throws (not many btw)
think what Floyd would do??
Manny copes well in wars he is a FIGHTER, Mayweather is a BOXER he beats Manny anyday.....
Pure Skilled BOXER beats a Hard hitting FIGHTER anyday

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

Hatton was finished when Pac got him, He was over trained and I'd even say a little weight drained also, Hatton was damaged goods after the Mayweather fight, Both Mentally and Physically.....
Cotto had been beaten with Bricks by Margarito and Clottey had clearly no intention of trying to win that fight

Eh, exactly why I said that up to and including the Hatton fight I still favored Floyd.

BTW, JMM never beat Pac; he hung in and made it close, but no way did he win those bouts. It was Pac who was pressing and winning.

BTW, that was at 130, since then Pac has improved immensely in my view.
His balance, rhythm, timing, power and delivery are vastly better.

Look, the fight may take place and then your prediction will either be true or false. Will I be surprised if Floyd win? No, Floyd is that good, but I would have to favor Pacman here.

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Eh, exactly why I said that up to and including the Hatton fight I still favored Floyd.

BTW, JMM never beat Pac; he hung in and made it close, but no way did he win those bouts. It was Pac who was pressing and winning.

BTW, that was at 130, since then Pac has improved immensely in my view.
His balance, rhythm, timing, power and delivery are vastly better.

Look, the fight may take place and then your prediction will either be true or false. Will I be surprised if Floyd win? No, Floyd is that good, but I would have to favor Pacman here.

He beat Pac in the first fight clearly in my eyes, Second fight was close and could go either way.....

A lot of people think Pacquiao will win due to his last few performances,
But you have to look past the names he has been up against

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

He beat Pac in the first fight clearly in my eyes, Second fight was close and could go either way.....

A lot of people think Pacquiao will win due to his last few performances,
But you have to look past the names he has been up against

Rd 1 in that bout was 10-6.....Marquez then had to win 9 of the remaining 11 rds to get that win; no ****ing way. Pacman won that fight and the second.

Anyway, if they met now, Juan would be obliterated...

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Rd 1 in that bout was 10-6.....Marquez then had to win 9 of the remaining 11 rds to get that win; no ****ing way. Pacman won that fight and the second.

Anyway, if they met now, Juan would be obliterated...

Juan would be beaten now no doubt, Not because as gotten better though,
I think it is because Pacquiao adapted better to moving in weight then Marquez did

rich1874

You can see how basic and beatable Pacquiao is after the Clottey fight.

I don't know how you could see that at all. I don't think we learned anything about Pacquiao from this fight. It was barely a fight. Manny may have looked somewhat vulnerable against the odd flurry due to the fact that they were so sporadic. I mean it was like hitting a punching bag and all of a sudden the punching bag throws a couple of rights at you.

If Clottey can do that, as well as Cotto, Mosley will rip him apart. Mosley won’t stop throwing and will let his punches go unlike Clottey

If Mosley keeps throwing he would be beaten because we've seen what happens to figthers who come on to Pacquiao, he's far too quick to be threatened by that sort of thing.

but it’s a whole different matter facing Mayweather

I'd agree with this becasue Mayweather is such an effective and speedy counter puncher he would almost negate Pacquiao's speed, but to suggest that he wouldn't stand a chance against Mayweather is outrageous. I think Mayweather would win, but it'd be far closer than you're suggesting.

joepenguin

walshb wrote: »

Floyd will present a completely differer fighter than Pac in every way, and you will see that Floyd is in trouble here. Also, Floyd isn't as sharp today as he was at LW/LWW. Pacman today is every bit better than the 130-135-140 version.

Floyd squeezed by a very past it Oscar in a fight that I thought Oscar won.

I havent seen the whole mayweather - marquez promo bout but when we think mayweather we think 135-140 when he was dominating in spectacular fashion. Since moving up he hasnt fought anyone on Mannys level and as you say a past it DLH gave him all he could handle.

Prime for prime I pick Mayweather every day of the week and If he does a job on shane then id pick him to win against Manny too.

Even though Mannys workrate is very good he leaves himself open, a few shoulder rolls and counters will slow him right down.

Its a fight im really looking forward too.

fasterkayote

mayweather is the luckiest most rated player of present time. 1) he havent meet an opponent to match him, if ever there is hes so s**t to face em. hes just a big mouth with a father that is a bigger mouth. imagine requesting a olympic style drug test- that sore losser and pure cowardness. even our own bernard dunne is more man than him.

cowzerp

fasterkayote wrote: »

mayweather is the luckiest most rated player of present time. 1) he havent meet an opponent to match him, if ever there is hes so s**t to face em. hes just a big mouth with a father that is a bigger mouth. imagine requesting a olympic style drug test- that sore losser and pure cowardness. even our own bernard dunne is more man than him.

Pacman is 1 of my favourite fighters but he will get his ears boxed off him WHEN the big fight happens, all the hype around drug tests etc where part of the circus to build the fight up and make it the biggest ppv fight of all time..

Mayweather by late ko in this 1.

walshb

Pretty bold prediction, Paul. I have seen nothing from the last two bouts to suggest Pacman folds here. His work rate and stamina are out of this world, his chin is very solid too.

Floyd will be forced to fight hard here, and he isn't as heavy handed or as busy as
Cotto. Cotto landed many on Pacman with no result.

If a JMM can survive vs. Floyd, then Pacman certainly can. I look to the Castillo bout and see that Floyd is beatable, and Castillo ain't close to Pacquiao, not now, or not then.

I still think that this bout might not happen. Is Floyd suddenly going to NOT want these drug tests? What will be his excuse for NOW saying he wants the fights with the ordinary and current rules?

The money was huge for March 13th and Floyd didn't want it. I cannot see him agreeing now without the drug testing. He will still ask for this, and Manny will still hold his ground.

If Floyd doesn't ask for the testing this time he will look really stupid for causing such
a fuss the last time

nacho libre

Has Mayweather demanded Mosley be drug tested too? if not how can he ask Pacman to go undergo one again without appearing to lack credibility?

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

Has Mayweather demanded Mosley be drug tested too? if not how can he ask Pacman to go undergo one again without appearing to lack credibility?

As far as I know, Mosley is being drug tested to Floyd's liking. He is going beyond the normal rules for this fight and has agreed to the random testing

scooby2791

walshb wrote: »

As far as I know, Mosley is being drug tested to Floyd's liking. He is going beyond the normal rules for this fight and has agreed to the random testing

Yeah Mosley is doing the random testing aswell but in all fairness he has tested positvie for PED's before. Floyd making Pacman take random tests is ridiculous, they have no evidence at all its just Floyd Mayweather Sr. running his mouth. To me I've always seen Floyd as a very good fighter but his mouth earns him the big paydays because he talks alot and hypes his fights very well, when he retires I wouldn't be surprised if he took the promoter route.

If Pac and Floyd ever meet, Pacman will take it by decision or late KO cuz he never runs out of steam. Pac's chin is great and when he gets tagged he doesn't step back and cover, he goes back at it and throws some heavy combinations. And then with his insane stamina and work ethic I just don't see Floyd beating him, Manny is IMO pound for pound the best fighter at the moment and up there all time.

nacho libre

scooby2791 wrote: »

Yeah Mosley is doing the random testing aswell but in all fairness he has tested positvie for PED's before. Floyd making Pacman take random tests is ridiculous, they have no evidence at all its just Floyd Mayweather Sr. running his mouth. To me I've always seen Floyd as a very good fighter but his mouth earns him the big paydays because he talks alot and hypes his fights very well, when he retires I wouldn't be surprised if he took the promoter route.
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if he(Pacman) has nothing to fear from such a test, why not take it and call Mayweather's bluff- if that's the reason people think Floyd Mayweather is demanding the test.
He can have the final word on the matter by beating Mayweather. With the list of feeble excuses given by his advisors as to why he couldn't take the test it only raises suspicion. Also what should be remebered is the past master of doping, Conte, has slammed boxing's drug testing policy as inadequate. So really if a facilitator of cheating is doing his job there should be no evidence of a conspiracy to cheat. I really hope pacman is just a freak of nature who can carry his strength and power at these higher weights without cheating but given what has gone on in other sports i have my doubts. what cannot be contested, though, is his sheer skill, you can't cheat your way to having such skill.

scooby2791

nacho libre wrote: »

if he(Pacman) has nothing to fear from such a test, why not take it and call Mayweather's bluff- if that's the reason people think Floyd Mayweather is demanding the test.
He can have the final word on the matter by beating Mayweather. With the list of feeble excuses given by his advisors as to why he couldn't take the test it only raises suspicion. Also what should be remebered is the past master of doping, Conte, has slammed boxing's drug testing policy as inadequate. So really if a facilitator of cheating is doing his job there should be no evidence of a conspiracy to cheat. I really hope pacman is just a freak of nature who can carry his strength and power at these higher weights without cheating but given what has gone on in other sports i have my doubts. what cannot be contested, though, is his sheer skill, you can't cheat your way to having such skill.

Maybe he will agree and call Mayweathers bluff. But keep in mind Pacman has never failed a drug test, he started boxing professionally at 16, explaining his weight jumps because as he's gotten older he gains more weight and instead of constantly cutting weight he just moved up in classes. I also don't see why Mayweather can just decide what tests are to be used, surely if it was such a major problem it would be introduced for every state and boxing event. People have been caught out using PED's by the current testing systems they have in place. There is no evidence or real reason to scrutinise Pacman, Mayweather has no evidence whatsoever to accuse Pacman, hence why Pacquiao has filed court papers against the Mayweathers. IMO its ridiculous and that Mayweather is just scared of putting his unbeaten record on the line against such a formidable and world class boxer.

nacho libre

scooby2791 wrote: »

Maybe he will agree and call Mayweathers bluff. But keep in mind Pacman has never failed a drug test, he started boxing professionally at 16, explaining his weight jumps because as he's gotten older he gains more weight and instead of constantly cutting weight he just moved up in classes. I also don't see why Mayweather can just decide what tests are to be used, surely if it was such a major problem it would be introduced for every state and boxing event. People have been caught out using PED's by the current testing systems they have in place. There is no evidence or real reason to scrutinise Pacman, Mayweather has no evidence whatsoever to accuse Pacman, hence why Pacquiao has filed court papers against the Mayweathers. IMO its ridiculous and that Mayweather is just scared of putting his unbeaten record on the line against such a formidable and world class boxer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8575568.stm

it's not being able to jumps weights that arouses suspicion, it's the ability to able to maintain his power and strength at these higher weights that leads to questions.
The whole point of the doping industry is to evade detection and be one step ahead of the testers.
Also it is widely acknowledged that boxing's test procedures are not as good as they could be.
So if a facilitator of doping is doing his new job there should be no evidence of cheating.
Anyway with the above article in mind if Pacman is clean he should agree to the testing like Mosley has done. Never mind filing lawsuits, call Mayweather's bluff(if that's what it is) and prove he is the better fighter.

walshb

Fellas, the drugs issue has been discussed ad nauseam. Let us get back on topic please

Jayob10

richierichballs wrote: »

Okay, I’ve seen the Pacquiao-Clottey fight, and I now think Pacquiao should consider himself the luckiest man on the face of the earth that he wasn’t facing Floyd Mayweather Jr. instead of Joshua Clottey last night at the Dallas Cowboy Stadium. Mayweather would have boxed the socks of Pacquiao and given headaches for ages. As it was, Clottey hit Pacquiao at will. Really, it was like Clottey couldn’t miss with his shots. Granted, it would have helped if Clottey had at least thrown a few more punches and shown an interest in actually winning the fight instead of just looking to survive.

But he landed some nice shots when he would remember throw punches. Pacquiao’s face looked badly marked up by the end of the fight, and I think he would have been sliced, diced and minced had it been Mayweather in the ring inside of the limited Clottey. I can see now why Clottey was “selected” as Pacquiao’s opponent rather than someone else like Mayweather or Mosley. Clottey did his part of playing as a human punching bag, offering up little in the way of offense that would trip up the Pacquiao gravy train. I think now more than ever, Pacquiao won’t be put in with Mayweather. You can see how basic and beatable Pacquiao is after the Clottey fight.
No way will be put in with a sharp shooting talent like Mayweather. Yeah, we’re going to here all the same excuses about Pacquiao not wanting to take the Olympic style random blood tests, and that jive. But the bottom line is Pacquiao won’t be put in with a fighter like Mayweather. If Pacquiao is going to fight anyone, it will be Shane Mosley after Mosley gets dominated by Mayweather. Oh, it won’t look good for Pacquiao to be facing a Mayweather victim, but that’s I see it happening. It’ll be Mosley, maybe Miguel Cotto again or Yuri Foreman. It won’t Mayweather.
What I saw of Pacquiao last night against Clottey, I think even Mosley will wipe the deck with Pacquiao all night long. The problem for Manny is that the guy has no defense. He blocks nothing. He keeps his hands up like he’s going to block punches, but he doesn’t. The shots that Clottey was throwing sailed right through Pacquiao’s gloves as if Manny had an eye problem picking up the shots.
If Clottey can do that, as well as Cotto, Mosley will rip him apart. Mosley won’t stop throwing and will let his punches go unlike Clottey. Mayweather would literally top with the Pacquiao that fought on Saturday night. It wouldn’t even be interesting aside from looking it in clinical sort of way with the hype machine being dismantled. I don’t know what to say about Clottey. He had his chance and blew it.
If he had thrown 20 more punches per round, I think he could have beaten Pacquiao. I mean Clottey would have landed all 20 of those punches through the nonexistent defense of Pacquiao would have been enough to get the win.
I think Pacquiao needs to continue fighting the guys he’s been fighting, and stay away from the likes of Mayweather or Mosley. That’s my advice. I think Pacquiao can beat the Hatton, Cotto, De La Hoya and Clottey types, but it’s a whole different matter facing Mayweather and Mosley.

How about some original thought of your own??

What is your own opinion on the matter???

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/03/pacquiao-is-lucky-he-wasn%E2%80%99t-facing-mayweather-last-saturday-night/

richierichballs

Jayob10 wrote: »

How about some original thought of your own??

What is your own opinion on the matter???

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/03/pacquiao-is-lucky-he-wasn%E2%80%99t-facing-mayweather-last-saturday-night/

It actually is and I like the fact you went to the hassle of finding that mate
I didnt post the link or writers name because I have been banned from previous forums for promoting articles written from other boxing websites :P

Jayob10

richierichballs wrote: »

It actually is and I like the fact you went to the hassle of finding that mate
I didnt post the link or writers name because I have been banned from previous forums for promoting articles written from other boxing websites :P

Pure bull I say. It seems even your nonsense its taken from someone else.

Dirty whore!

You got to laugh at pretty boy 32 aka richerrichballs the biggest floyd mayweather nutt-hugger on the island of ireland , he got banned from boxingscene for talking crap and not having a clue about boxing in general except of course his beloved floyd, he also thinks every irish boxer is crap.......

richierichballs

Dirty whore! wrote: »

You got to laugh at pretty boy 32 aka richerrichballs the biggest floyd mayweather nutt-hugger on the island of ireland , he got banned from boxingscene for talking crap and not having a clue about boxing in general except of course his beloved floyd, he also thinks every irish boxer is crap.......

Wtf are you talking about? I don't post on that site!
It's the worst boxing forum online in my opinion, I have no interest in talking about "pactards" and "flomos," I only post on Eastside boxing, I got banned for posting an Article that was written by a Boxing Scene reporter

colly10

Jayob10 wrote:

How about some original thought of your own??

richierichballs wrote: »

It actually is and I like the fact you went to the hassle of finding that mate

So it was you that wrote that article. Heres another one ye wrote before the clottey fight -

Clottey will shut Pacquiao down almost completely, and then rake him with shots to the head. Once Clottey starts walking Pacquiao down, the Filipino fighter is going start getting tagged a lot and beaten up..........Clottey is going to end up shutting Pacquiao down completely the same way that Winky Wright shut down Felix Trinidad years ago, sending him into retirement. Once Pacquiao realizes he can’t land anything, he’s going to get desperate and will ask his Freddie Roach for help. Roach won’t have a clue I’m afraid. Oh, I know Roach will have a lot to say, but his advice will be completely worthless because Pacquiao won’t be able to pry Clottey’s clamshell open.

Pretty close to the mark I see, it's hardly surprising that you feel that Mayweather would beat Pacquaio if you think Clottey could take him apart like that. Oh ye, just remembered, the Clottey fight was fixed

magma69

colly10 wrote: »

So it was you that wrote that article. Heres another one ye wrote before the clottey fight -



Pretty close to the mark I see, it's hardly surprising that you feel that Mayweather would beat Pacquaio if you think Clottey could take him apart like that. Oh ye, just remembered, the Clottey fight was fixed

Couldn't have been him. He said he doesn't post on that site.

colly10

magma69 wrote: »

Couldn't have been him. He said he doesn't post on that site.

He said he doesn't post on boxingscene, different site

Jayob10

colly10 wrote: »

He said he doesn't post on boxingscene, different site

either way, i think its pretty unanimous that he talks alot of rubbish.

richierichballs

colly10 wrote: »

So it was you that wrote that article. Heres another one ye wrote before the clottey fight -



Pretty close to the mark I see, it's hardly surprising that you feel that Mayweather would beat Pacquaio if you think Clottey could take him apart like that. Oh ye, just remembered, the Clottey fight was fixed

I never said that Clottey fight was fixed?
I said he got paid double? Which is true do your homework........

richierichballs

Jayob10 wrote: »

either way, i think its pretty unanimous that he talks alot of rubbish.

So having an opinion is talking rubbish?
Its probably down to the fact that I seem to be the only one on here who thinks Floyd will beat Manny.....

colly10

richierichballs wrote: »

I never said that Clottey fight was fixed?
I said he got paid double? Which is true do your homework........

And you finished that post with the words "Seems sketchy to me" which obviously implies that you felt that theres a good chance that the fight was fixed. Try not to contradict yourself, it makes it harder to believe that you truly believe what your saying (or that your not posting over the top opinion for the sake of argument)

So what about the rest of my post then, did you write the article that was linked and if not why did you imply you did?

richierichballs wrote: »

So having an opinion is talking rubbish?
Its probably down to the fact that I seem to be the only one on here who thinks Floyd will beat Manny.....

No I don't think that would be the reason. My favorite fighter is Mosley, after that it's Manny, the fighter that I hate more than any other is Mayweather, but I still believe that Mayweather will beat both of them for a number of reasons. The difference is that I don't let my own bias get in the way of my own opinion

walshb

For chrissake, quit the playground sh!t fellas.... Why not just debate in a friendly and jovial manner. No need for the nonsense and rubbish and nut hugger talk.

BTW, richie, I don't believe for a second that Manny is one of your favorite fighters.

richierichballs

colly10 wrote: »

And you finished that post with the words "Seems sketchy to me" which obviously implies that you felt that theres a good chance that the fight was fixed. Try not to contradict yourself, it makes it harder to believe that you truly believe what your saying (or that your not posting over the top opinion for the sake of argument)

So what about the rest of my post then, did you write the article that was linked and if not why did you imply you did?

It does seem sketchy? Clottey got paid double the agreed wage? :rolleyes:
Thats not exactly normal, but I don't think he threw he the fight......

Plus I can't remember what Article you are talking about?

colly10 wrote: »

No I don't think that would be the reason. My favorite fighter is Mosley, after that it's Manny, the fighter that I hate more than any other is Mayweather, but I still believe that Mayweather will beat both of them for a number of reasons. The difference is that I don't let my own bias get in the way of my own opinion

I'm a Pacquiao and Mosley fan to,
Especially Mosley, I'm not just a fukkin Mayweather fan! :mad:
More than anything I'm a fan of the sport, And I'm a fan of your boxers and thats what Mayweather is, He is the most skillful boxer in the business at the moment and I admire him for that....
Im not a little fan boy of Floyd, I'm just amazed at his skill and I agree I think he beats Pacquiao and Mosley, I don't think there is anyone in the sport who can trouble him

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

For chrissake, quit the playground sh!t fellas.... Why not just debate in a friendly and jovial manner. No need for the nonsense and rubbish and nut hugger talk.

BTW, richie, I don't believe for a second that Manny is one of your favorite fighters.

Why don't you believe me? How the hell can anyone not like Manny Pacquiao? The guy is extremely exciting BUT I don't think his last few opponents have been the boxers they once where......
I think he is being over hyped abit but he did deserve the fighter of the decade hands down

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

Why don't you believe me? How the hell can anyone not like Manny Pacquiao? The guy is extremely exciting BUT I don't think his last few opponents have been the boxers they once where......
I think he is being over hyped abit but he did deserve the fighter of the decade hands down

Yet, any good boxer beats any good fighter? So, how does he deserve fighter of the decade when Floyd is there too, and you think Floyd to be so superior?

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Yet, any good boxer beats any good fighter? So, how does he deserve fighter of the decade when Floyd is there too, and you think Floyd to be so superior?

Because Floyd was inactive for two years, and on paper Manny has fought better names, there is no denying that........

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

Because Floyd was inactive for two years, and on paper Manny has fought better names, there is no denying that........

Okey doke.

You know, strictly speaking this decade ends at the end of this year, Dec 31st 2010; so if Floyd can beat both Mosley and Manny, then IMO he is the deserving fighter of the decade. So, the wait is still on for your beloved Floyd.

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Okey doke.

You know, strictly speaking this decade ends at the end of this year, Dec 31st 2010; so if Floyd can beat both Mosley and Manny, then IMO he is the deserving fighter of the decade. So, the wait is still on for your beloved Floyd.

If he boths them he will get your right but I don't think the level of competition Manny has fought has been MUCH better then Floyds,
Okay he Beat Morales, Barrera but I mean everyone knows they where both past there prime and damaged fighters,
Mainly because they had battered each other badly before running into Manny, Not to take anything away from Manny he performed very well in these Match ups, Its just an observation....
His wins over Marquez are questionable.....
Oscar was weight drained and that contract he agreed to was ridiculous,
I don't know how he thought he could of beaten Manny in the first place.......
Ricky Hatton was mentally never the same after Mayweather ko'd him and seemingly he peaked to early in training camp....
Cotto was damaged goods after Margarito, I think pre Margarito Cotto COULD of beaten Manny.......
Before people start jumping on me for this I do think Manny is a great fighter, BUT all I am saying is these guys where not 100% when they fought Pacquiao, Marquez was though........
I think Manny could of beaten these guys in there prime except for Barrera, And Manny was not as good as he is now when he fought Barrera....

walshb

Hey, I am not going to say that Hatton and Oscar and Cotto were at peak; but if you look at how the fights went, at peak or not, the Manny that faced both Cotto and Hatton would have been too good for any of them, at any time in their careers.

I look more at what I see in the ring, the actions, the skills etc, than the opponent.

Yes, the quality of the opponent comes into play, but Cotto was very good, decent, and he was still obliterated. Not even Margarito could do that to him. And Marg is bigger than Pac and there is a ? about that whole affair.

A peak 147 lb Oscar was very good, but from what I saw vs. Cotto and Clottey, Oscar would be gunned down. Manny was superb in every area. He has improved dramatically from the days of 126-130. His timing and balance and delivery have all improved greatly.

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Hey, I am not going to say that Hatton and Oscar and Cotto were at peak; but if you look at how the fights went, at peak or not, the Manny that faced both Cotto and Hatton would have been too good for any of them, at any time in their careers.

I look more at what I see in the ring, the actions, the skills etc, than the opponent.

Yes, the quality of the opponent comes into play, but Cotto was very good, decent, and he was still obliterated. Not even Margarito could do that to him. And Marg is bigger than Pac and there is a ? about that whole affair.

A peak 147 lb Oscar was very good, but from what I saw vs. Cotto and Clottey, Oscar would be gunned down. Manny was superb in every area. He has improved dramatically from the days of 126-130. His timing and balance and delivery have all improved greatly.

Of Course Margarito couldn't do that to Manny, they are different fighters,
Manny gets in and out, Margarito breaks you down....
He's a monster in my opinion, he scares the **** out of me.......

I don't want Manny to fight him, Margarito is too strong for him,
It's a very tough fight....

I think the Manny who fought Barrera would of been beaten against Prime Barrera,
Same goes for Oscar at 147, he was a beast when he was in his prime and could make the weight properly,
Manny beats Cotto and Hatton anyday

walshb

Margarito is a punch bag, plain and simple. A 38 year old Shane proved this.

Jeez, Manny would ****ing destroy a 147 lb Margarito. It would be horrible to watch.

Richie, you seriously think Margarito can compete with the angles, movement. speed and power and volume of Manny at 147? I am getting worried here.

Margarito eventually walked Cotto down, because Cotto couldn't get his respect. Shane got his respect with speed and power. Manny brings more of both on Margarito.

C'mon, are you saying that what you have seen recently from Manny isn't enough to trouble and beat a one dimensional plodding punch bag?

BTW, the Manny that beat Barrera destroyed Barreara, it wasn't close. So, I doubt even a prime Barrera can
beat and handle that speed. It was 2003, Barerra was still formidable.

A peak 147 Oscar is a real challenge, but I still think the best 147 Manny beats him. Too much versatility and angles

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Margarito is a punch bag, plain and simple. A 38 year old Shane proved this.

Jeez, Manny would ****ing destroy a 147 lb Margarito. It would be horrible to watch.

Richie, you seriously think Margarito can compete with the angles, movement. speed and power and volume of Manny at 147? I am getting worried here.

Margarito eventually walked Cotto down, because Cotto couldn't get his respect. Shane got his respect with speed and power. Manny brings more of both on Margarito.

C'mon, are you saying that what you have seen recently from Manny isn't enough to trouble and beat a one dimensional plodding punch bag?

I don't think he can compete with the angles, I'm not saying he is gonna outbox Manny cause that will never happen......
Margarito would chase Manny down and get him on the ropes,
Manny does not like to be on the ropes and tends to get hit when he is backed up onto them,
Clottey also landed uppercuts on Manny on a few occasions in there fight,
Think what Margarito would do?

Manny will outbox Margarito all night just like Shane did but Shane is stronger then Manny,
Okay Manny has unreal power but I don't know if its enough to make Margarito back off

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

I don't think he can compete with the angles, I'm not saying he is gonna outbox Manny cause that will never happen......
Margarito would chase Manny down and get him on the ropes,
Manny does not like to be on the ropes and tends to get hit when he is backed up onto them,
Clottey also landed uppercuts on Manny on a few occasions in there fight,
Think what Margarito would do?

Manny will outbox Margarito all night just like Shane did but Shane is stronger then Manny,
Okay Manny has unreal power but I don't know if its enough to make Margarito back off

Oh, so it's really that easy, " Antonio gets him on the ropes."

But, before you do that Mr Plodder, eat a hundred ****ing power punches, shots as damaging and every bit as hard as the ones Mosley landed. More of them too.

Then, find out that Manny has a very good chin, and is taking your shots, slow and predictable as they are.

No freaking way Margarito beats a peak 147 lb Pacquiao, no way.

Part of the reason Clottey landed was because Manny was almost inviting him to open up to
instigate a bloody fight.

richierichballs

walshb wrote: »

Oh, so it's really that easy, " Antonio gets him on the ropes."

But, before you do that Mr Plodder, eat a hundred ****ing power punches, shots as damaging and every bit as hard as the ones Mosley landed. More of them too.

Then, find out that Manny has a very good chin, and is taking your shots, slow and predictable as they are.

No freaking way Margarito beats a peak 147 lb Pacquiao, no way.

Part of the reason Clottey landed was because Manny was almost inviting him to open up to
instigate a bloody fight.

I do think Manny beats him but it will be a extremely difficult fight,
People underestimate Margarito, he is an absolute beast,
He doesn't back off, And sure didn't he take Cottos best shots too?

Okay Manny is stronger then Cotto, But I don't think Manny will KO Tony if the fight happens....

Margarito has a high work rate too, Watch the fight with Cotto,
Cotto would land a flurry landing Flush and Margarito would be running back for more, He makes a ring seem a lot smaller because you have no where to go with him.....

He is a tougher fight then you think and with his physical size advantage he is dangerous for Manny.

Watch this again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPOw16Z1yuE

walshb

richierichballs wrote: »

People underestimate Margarito, he is an absolute beast,

I don't. I take him for what he is. A tough but predictable and ponderous fighter.
If anything, people may overrate the guy. I picked Mosley to take him apart once Shane
had the stamina. Shane aged 38 took him apart with relative ease.

Jayob10

you guys don't seriously believe he wrote that article??

this guy is a spoofer of the highest order. Hes trying to be an Eamon Dunphy of the boxing world

walshb

Jayob10 wrote: »

you guys don't seriously believe he wrote that article??

this guy is a spoofer of the highest order. Hes trying to be an Eamon Dunphy of the boxing world

I don't know, and don't care really. Can you show us who maybe did write it?

Anyway, once we're all jovial and polite, lets talk, that is my motto.

Our views will differ, but isn't that what makes for intriguing debates?