Is Clonmel heading down the drain?

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Doesn't seem to be any life in the town whatsoever(influenced by the recession a bit yes)

Shops closing down left right and center. New shopping center that seems a bit too quite during the week. Yet people still head off to Kilkenny, limerick, waterford to do their shopping.

Night life gone to the Dogs. Many places quite until very late and a certain Nightclub has turned the 4th Bar into a scumbag hostel on a Saturday night.
People give out about the choice of going out spots and yet their is a couple of bars with good quality bands on a friday night and yet the crowds wont come. Many heading to other towns to go out.

Danger of the Hospital having its services removed.

The centre of the town seems to draw in the scumbags and nobody else.

The numbers on the Dole is growing by the week.

No action by the council to try and lift the gloom. i.e. reduce rates, free parking.

So what can be done. What will make the people of the town start coming out wheter it be day or night and spending money<what little to spare they have> in their own town and breading a bit of life back into it?

tippspur

I wouldn't go that far,every Town is having a similar experience during this severe recession tbh,some are a lot worse than Clonmel.

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tippspur wrote: »

I wouldn't go that far,every Town is having a similar experience during this severe recession tbh,some are a lot worse than Clonmel.

Do you not think that the life is being sucked out of the town no life in it at all. I'm very familiar with another town of similar size and population, that being Tralee. To see the difference between the two it makes you wonder and become a little disappointed with how clonmel is handling the recession although it was already in trouble before the recession just not as severe.

DT100

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Doesn't seem to be any life in the town whatsoever(influenced by the recession a bit yes)

Shops closing down left right and center. New shopping center that seems a bit too quite during the week. Yet people still head off to Kilkenny, limerick, waterford to do their shopping.

Night life gone to the Dogs. Many places quite until very late and a certain Nightclub has turned the 4th Bar into a scumbag hostel on a Saturday night.
People give out about the choice of going out spots and yet their is a couple of bars with good quality bands on a friday night and yet the crowds wont come. Many heading to other towns to go out.

Danger of the Hospital having its services removed.

The centre of the town seems to draw in the scumbags and nobody else.

The numbers on the Dole is growing by the week.

No action by the council to try and lift the gloom. i.e. reduce rates, free parking.

So what can be done. What will make the people of the town start coming out wheter it be day or night and spending money<what little to spare they have> in their own town and breading a bit of life back into it?

The numbers on the dole in every town are growing every week.Clonmel is not the only town with scumbags...The sad thing is the scumbags seem to be able to get away with whatever they feel like inflicting, on who they choose.I dont have any answers,but the law seems to favour the scumbags.The country is going down the drain if you ask me.

Reginald P. DuM

It's probably a bit much to say its heading down the pan, but it's certainly feeling the pinch along with other towns across the country. I tried to go clothes shopping the other day, few bob in the pocket support your own type thing. There's nothing in the town, the selection is so bad. Spent 50 quid on an item I didn't even like that much, only it was on offer. Add that to the abandoned slash empty units in the town centre and the future is indeed bleak. Talks of multi story car parks are fanciful. Who'd have reason to park there in all seriousness, apart from those who are left working in the town.. There is still a lot of money in Clonmel but at the moment its staying in the banks/biscuit tins/credit union. I agree its no different from other Irish towns, we are all the same basically. Either we do something about it or we grin and bear it. Given the way the banks are behaving at the moment the choice is limited to the latter.

bernardo mac

If former Clonmel shoppers are now heading to Limerick city centre they must be addicted to the scumbag,tapper[ bummer ]bag snatching,parking fine experience.It's all there in a triple whammy dose!!:eek:

smlballjunkie

bernardo mac wrote: »

If former Clonmel shoppers are now heading to Limerick city centre they must be addicted to the scumbag,tapper[ bummer ]bag snatching,parking fine experience.It's all there in a triple whammy dose!!:eek:

Hey they dont have to travel outside Clonmel if they are addicted to that, we have plenty of all the above home grown

Gerard.C

I'd agree that the life is being taken from the town with the likes of the showgrounds and the poppyfield opening up. There isnt much of an athmosphere in the town any more. The night life is brutal too, few good pubs alright. O' Keefes was great when Dannos was open, but now there is a bit of a Dannos crowd creeping into O' Keefes. Much more trouble out the back than there used to be

Rookster

smlballjunkie wrote: »

Hey they dont have to travel outside Clonmel if they are addicted to that, we have plenty of all the above home grown

Totally agree. The town is just full of scumbags for the past few years.

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Gerard.C wrote: »

O' Keefes was great when Dannos was open, but now there is a bit of a Dannos crowd creeping into O' Keefes. Much more trouble out the back than there used to be

Very true for the last few months it seems to be getting a little rougher. I remember when they used to have a much stricter door policy.

Reginald P. DuM

O Keeffe's has been an absolute zoo for 2 or 3 years. Nothing to do with Danno's opening or otherwise I think.

tippspur

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I'd agree that the life is being taken from the town with the likes of the showgrounds and the poppyfield opening up. There isnt much of an athmosphere in the town any more. The night life is brutal too, few good pubs alright. O' Keefes was great when Dannos was open, but now there is a bit of a Dannos crowd creeping into O' Keefes. Much more trouble out the back than there used to be

I think your right there, I was out in Clonmel on Saturday night we were in Chawkes first and there was a handy crowd there but at about 11.30 almost everyone was gone,we headed down Town and decided to go into Larkins we went in the door and turned around back out again cos the place was dead,then we headed for the Posthouse and left after one pint cos it was so quiet in there.we ended up in the front bar in 0'Keeffees there was great craic in there the DJ played some great music, left me wondering where is everybody in Clonmel on a Saturday night.

DT100

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I think your right there, I was out in Clonmel on Saturday night we were in Chawkes first and there was a handy crowd there but at about 11.30 almost everyone was gone,we headed down Town and decided to go into Larkins we went in the door and turned around back out again cos the place was dead,then we headed for the Posthouse and left after one pint cos it was so quiet in there.we ended up in the front bar in 0'Keeffees there was great craic in there the DJ played some great music, left me wondering where is everybody in Clonmel on a Saturday night.

I would say a lot of people drink at home now...have a few around for beers.Anytime I pass the offie near the raileway station,there's always a good few cars outside.Staying at home seems to be the new going out..The pubs are gone dead quiet...We will have to sort out a sheebeen of sorts:D....

Reginald P. DuM

DT100 wrote: »

I would say a lot of people drink at home now...have a few around for beers.Anytime I pass the offie near the raileway station,there's always a good few cars outside.Staying at home seems to be the new going out..The pubs are gone dead quiet...We will have to sort out a sheebeen of sorts:D....

Very true DT.. The railway offy is always moving stuff out. A good earner I'd say. Pubs are struggling barring ocassions that fill em up.

Fionn

they had a bit of drama over at the Railway last night!! a bus was burned out!! must costa fortune for one of those....:mad:

Reginald P. DuM

Fionn wrote: »

they had a bit of drama over at the Railway last night!! a bus was burned out!! must costa fortune for one of those....:mad:

Just a warm up for whats to come today I'd say.... Clonmel, what a town!!

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Fionn wrote: »

they had a bit of drama over at the Railway last night!! a bus was burned out!! must costa fortune for one of those....:mad:

Burnt to a crisp so she was!

Reginald P. DuM wrote: »

Just a warm up for whats to come today I'd say.... Clonmel, what a town!!

Dont know if your aware but in the space of a week the fire brigade was called out 20 odd times for fires being started by young scummers. <was told by someone that knows whos doing it 4 girls 3 fellows reported to guards but cant do anything unless they catch them in the act> Setting fires to fields ditches whatever burns really. :rolleyes:

sparkydee

I was thinking something was going on I saw the fire in the field. It was lucky in both cases the fire didn't spread and cause more damage than it did.

tippspur

I didn't know the bus was set on fire deliberately,is this known for certain ?

ItsAWindUp

tippspur wrote: »

I didn't know the bus was set on fire deliberately,is this known for certain ?

I went down there the next day and one of the workers there said that it was.

ciano1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPlEj2cBats

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tippspur wrote: »

I didn't know the bus was set on fire deliberately,is this known for certain ?

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I went down there the next day and one of the workers there said that it was.

Still waiting on confirmation if the bus fire was deliberate like the other random field/ditch/rubbish fires were. Anyone heard anything about it yet? Garda looking for witnesses/following a definite line of enquiry /statement by bus eireann etc..?

ItsAWindUp

It was on the front page of The Nationalist today, it was arson.

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ItsAWindUp wrote: »

It was on the front page of The Nationalist today, it was arson.

Saw that alright earlier today. Begs the question as to why wasn't the bus parked up in the yard where it usually is? Now there saying that it might effect services to the town because of the cost of a replacement do they not have insurance for this.

Anyway scumbags we should just throw them in the new flood defenses solve two birds with the one stone! :mad:

Reginald P. DuM

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Now there saying that it might effect services to the town because of the cost of a replacement do they not have insurance for this.

Bus Eireann would have had the bus insured alright, there's no doubt about that.. The thing is will the insurance company pay up or will they try to weasel out of it by saying it wasn't parked in the right place etc. Probably not, but we do know how they hate parting with money..

As for withdrawing services from Clonmel, this would be a good opportunity for CIE to close some routes that weren't performing financially, blame the fire even though they were just waiting for the chance all along.

PhatPiggins

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Burnt to a crisp so she was!




Dont know if your aware but in the space of a week the fire brigade was called out 20 odd times for fires being started by young scummers. <was told by someone that knows whos doing it 4 girls 3 fellows reported to guards but cant do anything unless they catch them in the act> Setting fires to fields ditches whatever burns really. :rolleyes:

Name and shame dear fellow. Time for a bit of mob justice in our town.

Obviously the guy who runs the tipperaryphoto's site is my number 1 suspect

Gerard.C

Well, was there any trouble Paddys day? I havent been home in a week now for the local news...

Fionn

didn't hear of any major problems on St Patrick's night in Clonmel at any rate. I wandered home around 10:30 or so - didn't see a soul.

When I passed down there the following morning they had the bus cordened off with crime scene tape and further down was another bus in it's one cordened space the drivers window was broken on this and there was some evidence of fire/smoke damage, so apparently there was an attempt to ignite this bus also - i have no idea if that was where it was parked when the crime was committed. It's unusual, because anytime i pass there late at night theres never any busses parked there!

Gerard.C

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didn't hear of any major problems on St Patrick's night in Clonmel at any rate. I wandered home around 10:30 or so - didn't see a soul.

When I passed down there the following morning they had the bus cordened off with crime scene tape and further down was another bus in it's one cordened space the drivers window was broken on this and there was some evidence of fire/smoke damage, so apparently there was an attempt to ignite this bus also - i have no idea if that was where it was parked when the crime was committed. It's unusual, because anytime i pass there late at night theres never any busses parked there!

Thats awful. I hope it doesnt have any long term effects on the services in Clonmel. Hopefully Justice will be served to the scumbags who did it

Buddinplant

I'm from clonmel, but i've been living away from home for nigh on 6 years now. but on my many visits home have to agree that clonmel has dropped on the entertainment side of things. there is no reason to go into town for anything now, everything has moved out to the boundries. its sad to see it happening.

and yes o keeffes used to have a brilliant door policy, now they let all and sundry in. i like heading out and having the laugh with crowd, but what with everyone in town packed into one or the other options in town, i havent been motivated to go out in clonmel.

charlemont

for such a clean well planned town its people are the worse in ireland nobody in that town really likes anyone else theres only 2 halves in clonmel pure scum or ignorant snobs.. genuine people are rare there. its known throughout ireland as being an unfriendly town. a town where people are only happy if someone else is suffering,,

tippspur

Harsh !

allthedoyles

charlemont wrote: »

for such a clean well planned town its people are the worse in ireland nobody in that town really likes anyone else theres only 2 halves in clonmel pure scum or ignorant snobs..
its known throughout ireland as being an unfriendly town. a town where people are only happy if someone else is suffering,,

imo - this is true for most towns in Ireland

sparkydee

I think yesterday was a great day for the town with the march. It proved that there still is a community spirit. I don't think clonmel would be top of the unfriendliest list or that we can all be either divided into scumbag or snobs. That's a generalisation of the highest order. As for the economic side of things I think we are definitely no worse than other places at the minute but it's sad to see so many empty buildings around the town.

iceage

And the award for the most sweeping statement goes to............

Reginald P. DuM

iceage wrote: »

And the award for the most sweeping statement goes to............

Boards is full of sh*tstirrers iceage... Let it be water off a ducks back.

Anyway we probably earn 3 times as much as him so why bother!

Rookster

I lived in Clonmel for four years and while I loved the town and area I always found the people very clannish. My friends consisted of blow-ins like myself.

PhatPiggins

charlemont wrote: »

for such a clean well planned town its people are the worse in ireland nobody in that town really likes anyone else theres only 2 halves in clonmel pure scum or ignorant snobs.. genuine people are rare there. its known throughout ireland as being an unfriendly town. a town where people are only happy if someone else is suffering,,

Yes we regularly enjoy showings of Serbian war crimes and holocost remakes in the Omniplex. We find it gets us in the mood to go home and beat defenseless animals with our jewel encrusted canes. To round off the night we contact terminally ill children with promises of funding for treatment before hanging up.

Clonmel snobs only happy at someone elses suffering since 1205

DT100

charlemont wrote: »

for such a clean well planned town its people are the worse in ireland nobody in that town really likes anyone else theres only 2 halves in clonmel pure scum or ignorant snobs.. genuine people are rare there. its known throughout ireland as being an unfriendly town. a town where people are only happy if someone else is suffering,,

I know lots of genuine people in Clonmel.Do you live in Clonmel?If you do,would you be in the pure s or the ignorant s corner?

charlemont

fair enough, i can admit when im wrong or over-reacting , but i stand by most of what i said. there are lots of genuine people in clonmel, but its the arrogance of a lot of the people is sickening. yes i did live in c-mel and yes as i am not an arrogant or stuck up person i presume i would be a pure scumbag in the eyes of some. as towns go it has a good service industry and is located in a fairly nice spot , close to m8 ,n24 , its pity lots of the original industry is gone clonmel chilling shcweizers etc. like your town centre is grand but WHO objected to the clonmel arms site development, WHO objected to the powerstown development, WHO objected to the N24 rathkeevin to J10 dual carriageway.. if the town does not have the population it cannot sustain the services it has. i see racism is unfortunately on the rise all over ireland, clonmel included but these people contributed a lot to our society. i visited clonmel again today the main guard is nice but i was amazed to see the o connell mall gone, that was a well maintained and nice place, it really needs more people, as i said in the previous post it is a well planned out town, every street is unique, the modern developments are well done,

RobAMerc

i am originally from Clonmel and have to say alot of the comments here are true.

The people of Clonmel tend to be very clannish and desperately unfriendly. It was only when I moved to college that I realised how much friendlier people of other towns are towards others as well as each other.

Secondly - the town centre had completely gone to the dogs - this is due to some really stupid decisions by the local council ( brown envelopes I would say ). Allowing Tesco to leave the town centre and M&S build on the outskirts was ridiculous - people of the town and surrounding towns have no reason any more to go into the centre to shop and subsequently don't bother doing so to socialise either - the town centre is half empty.

Pity - it used to be a great town

iceage

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, its pity lots of the original industry is gone clonmel chilling shcweizers etc...... every street is unique, the modern developments are well done,

Well its obvious you haven't lived in how did you put it..C-mel for some time. Both of the firms you mentioned have been gone for years now. And your comment about the modern developments....completely defies logic. How could they be well done when they have sucked the heart out of the place onto the bloody bypass? Attracted there by lower rents because Estate agents have rode the arse off of business's in the town centre. get a grip would you.

As for M+S don't get me started, rushed through with money from outside the Town to make a quick killing by developers, that my friend is a white elephant and a prime reason why C-mel is in trouble.

charlemont

RobAMerc wrote: »

i am originally from Clonmel and have to say alot of the comments here are true.

The people of Clonmel tend to be very clannish and desperately unfriendly. It was only when I moved to college that I realised how much friendlier people of other towns are towards others as well as each other.


thats so true, same here i was amazed at how different the people are outside it, if you lived there all your life and never left you would have an isolated mentality.......

charlemont

charlemont wrote: »

RobAMerc wrote: »

i am originally from Clonmel and have to say alot of the comments here are true.

The people of Clonmel tend to be very clannish and desperately unfriendly. It was only when I moved to college that I realised how much friendlier people of other towns are towards others as well as each other.


thats so true, same here i was amazed at how different the people are outside it, if you lived there all your life and never left you would have an isolated mentality.......

Ah sure we are pure feckers in the town.Clannish doesn't begin to describe it....If you are from above the roundabout on the Cahir road,or below the roundabout at Bulmers...we wouldn't look sideways at ya

TheGobb

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Ah sure we are pure feckers in the town.Clannish doesn't begin to describe it....If you are from above the roundabout on the Cahir road,or below the roundabout at Bulmers...we wouldn't look sideways at ya

what about the folk from bianconi, would ye look sideway at them?

hellbent

I'm from Clonmel, lived in Waterford, New Ross, and had sojourns in Cork, Dublin and Limerick, and in each case, with the notable exception of Cork, the people there were unfriendly, but not in a nasty way. And to each other as well as to blow-ins. When I lived in Waterford, I could never say to others that I came from there, in case I would be ostracised. I'm not saying this to knock any town, only to emphasise that the IRISH themselves are not the friendly bunch pictured in Bord Failte ads.

Clonmel town centre is pretty poor at the moment. It became that way due to no place to park, an issue never dealt with by that low shower of drunks known as the Corporation/Borough Council. Not having a decent town-centre hotel is also a big problem. Hearns? Don't make me laugh.

Bad an' all as Clonmel is, the original poster who came out with such disparaging remarks should really retract much of his invective. He could make the point better with less determination to insult.:D

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hellbent wrote: »

I'm from Clonmel, lived in Waterford, New Ross, and had sojourns in Cork, Dublin and Limerick, and in each case, with the notable exception of Cork, the people there were unfriendly, but not in a nasty way. And to each other as well as to blow-ins. When I lived in Waterford, I could never say to others that I came from there, in case I would be ostracised. I'm not saying this to knock any town, only to emphasise that the IRISH themselves are not the friendly bunch pictured in Bord Failte ads.

Clonmel town centre is pretty poor at the moment. It became that way due to no place to park, an issue never dealt with by that low shower of drunks known as the Corporation/Borough Council. Not having a decent town-centre hotel is also a big problem. Hearns? Don't make me laugh.

Bad an' all as Clonmel is, the original poster who came out with such disparaging remarks should really retract much of his invective. He could make the point better with less determination to insult.:D

Ah i never set out to insult the town i just outlined some of my concerns and disappointments from what i am seeing. At the end of my original post i asked what could be done of which i still haven't received a reply.

hinault

Clonmel has always been one of the most prosperous locations.

Kentz/Digital/Medite/Bulmers/Guidant/Boston Scientific : all world class companies all employing loads of people.

Other locations would give their right one for those companies to be operating in their location.

TheGobb

TheGobb wrote: »

what about the folk from bianconi, would ye look sideway at them?

We would allow for as far Scrouthea...and then to about the dip in the road around Clerihan....so Bianconi would come under that coverage:D

Fionn

i remember when Bianconi drive wasn't there :eek: scary huh?

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Fionn wrote: »

i remember when Bianconi drive wasn't there :eek: scary huh?

Sweet Jebus :eek: was that not built in the late sixtys early seventies?!?! No boards.ie back then