Pro hunt supporter lost his head in row with gyrocopter pilot

Run_to_da_hills

"A pro fox hunting supporter's head was cleaved from 'top to bottom' by the blades of a gyrocopter after he tried to confront the pilot for tracking his hunt, a court heard today".

I am not normally a great fan of fox hunting but its a pity that this guy had to loose the head in the row.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254886/Gycrocopter-blade-cleaved-head-hunt-supporter-bottom.html

Biggins

Ouch!

Kasabian

I was hoping for a picture but no the "Irish Daily Mail " lets me down again.

I wonder did they feed him to the hounds.

TheZohanS

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"I am not normally a great fan of fox hunting but its a pity that this guy had to loose the head in the row.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254886/Gycrocopter-blade-cleaved-head-hunt-supporter-bottom.html

He did more than loosen it.

flowersagogo

i'd like to think he got the girl too...

Run_to_da_hills

TheZohan wrote: »

He did more than loosen it.

It will probably end up in a local head shop.

Flamed Diving

Lose, not loose.

galwayrush

Killing Fox Hunters should be banned.....................

dreamer_ire

Would that make it a headless hunt?

stovelid

So the bloke died after being decapitated. Imagine that.

bonerm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhCJnOFZvHc

Dramatisation, may not have happened.

bonerm

Further irony.

Gyrocopter victim

Big Nazi

Run_to_da_hills

stovelid wrote: »

So the bloke died after being decapitated. Imagine that.

Clarified

admiralofthefleet

its all a conspiracy

Son Of A Vidic

The guy obviously didn't have his head screwed on.

Cookie_Monster

he looks like one of the lesser guys from Layer Cake

brendansmith

The hunter become the hunter ...........................................of death!

BluesBerry

Wow the that man really lost the head with the pilot

He should have counted to 10

Bigdeadlydave

Yes lets all make jokes, never mind some guy was horribly and gruesomely killed

BluesBerry

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Yes lets all make jokes, never mind some guy was horribly and gruesomely killed

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream — and not make dreams your master;
If you can think — and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings — nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And which is more; you'll be a Man, my son!

bonerm

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Yes lets all make jokes, never mind some guy was horribly and gruesomely killed

ok, if you insist.

Q: What was the last thing to through Trevor Morse's mind before he died?

A: Probably something to with love of nature & wildlife and frustration at archaic hunting laws.

ejmaztec

Bigdeadlydave wrote: »

Yes lets all make jokes

Go on then, let's see what you've got.

Duggy747

That's no way to get a head in life.

Dutch Schaeffer would be disappointed at his inability of getting to da choppa!

BickNarry

Good enough for him.ANyone who hunts should be put down.

bonerm

BluesBerry wrote: »

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
[snip]
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And which is more; you'll be a Man, my son!

Great poet. He also made exceedingly good pies.

It wasn't me!

BickNarry wrote: »

Good enough for him.ANyone who hunts should be put down.

It tends to escape certain people the irony of wishing death on others because they kill animals.

BickNarry

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It tends to escape certain people the irony of wishing death on others because they kill animals.

Nah, it doesn't. It escapes certain people that all sentient beings, animal or human have the right to live, free from pain, torture and suffering.Those who ignore this, especially in the form of a passtime, are no great loss.

Dudess

Not pro-hunting, but...

BickNarry wrote: »

all sentient beings, animal or human have the right to live, free from pain, torture and suffering.

.

MikeC101

BickNarry wrote: »

all sentient beings, animal or human have the right to live, free from pain, torture and suffering.

Even the tasty ones??? :eek:

It wasn't me!

BickNarry wrote: »

Nah, it doesn't. It escapes certain people that all sentient beings, animal or human have the right to live, free from pain, torture and suffering.

See, you should have stopped here. Qualifying it takes from the absolute nature of your point, and allows for further qualification. In fact, even that much allows me to say "Well, what about the deer and rabbits I kill, that die instantly? Just wink out of existence and become food? There's no pain, torture or suffering there. Is that okay then?"

Anyway, first step, to check are you a flaming hypocrite: Do you eat meat or large-scale production cereal crops, or the products of the above? do you wear fur or leather or make use of any animal products in any capacity?

BickNarry

MikeC101 wrote: »

Even the tasty ones??? :eek:

Even them!i understand our social conditioning to eat meat (ate it for 18 out of my 20 years) but there is nothing that condone hunting.

MikeC101

BickNarry wrote: »

Even them!i understand our social conditioning to eat meat (ate it for 18 out of my 20 years) but there is nothing that condone hunting.

But hunting (not of the fox variety) gets me tasty meat like pheasant, rabbit and pigeon. That's good enough for me.

Bazzy

Blame the brits .. was this in dublin?

It wasn't me!

BickNarry wrote: »

Even them!i understand our social conditioning to eat meat (ate it for 18 out of my 20 years) but there is nothing that condone hunting.

Sure there is.

Livestock protection
Crop protection
Food
Population control

Four perfectly good reasons there.

BickNarry

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Sure there is.

Livestock protection
Crop protection
Food
Population control

Four perfectly good reasons there.

I'd say your wrong on all counts.


Livestock protection,id say protect em from being eaten.
A wild animal shouldn't be killed cuz you planted crops in their habitat.
We can easily go without.
Lets do the same with people!

It wasn't me!

BickNarry wrote: »

I'd say your wrong on all counts.


Livestock protection,id say protect em from being eaten.
A wild animal shouldn't be killed cuz you planted crops in their habitat.
We can easily go without.
Lets do the same with people!

I don't think you've ever been involved with farming, or really understand the habits and capabilities of, say, foxes, with regard to taking prey.

So what do you live on? You've said you're a vegetarian. How are you going to live without industrial arable farming to support your lifestyle choice, which is only possible or viable with proper pest control?

The third point is debatable again. Rather difficult to design an efficient diet for someone with an extremely active lifestyle without meat proteins. Meat is the most efficient way to supplement certain people, and in some cases the only practicable one.

A silly argument. The extension of this brings me back to my original series of questions you neglected to answer with regard to whether you eat any animals or their produce, or derivatives thereof, or whether you wear anything produced from animal parts or make use of anything with animal parts in your life. It's really difficult to condemn hunting without being a hypocrite.

BickNarry

Doesn't matter what i know about farming.Sounds like you'd be putting money over the life of an animal.

Educate yourself on vegetarianism. there are vegan body builders for **** sake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEH7W_w1NA

We are all hypocrites in some way. Does not mean your views are made redundant.You're the change you want to see in the world.

It wasn't me!

BickNarry wrote: »

Doesn't matter what i know about farming.Sounds like you'd be putting money over the life of an animal.

Educate yourself on vegetarianism. there are vegan body builders for **** sake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEH7W_w1NA

We are all hypocrites in some way. Does not mean your views are made redundant.You're the change you want to see in the world.

It really, really does. I put personal livelihood above the lives of individual animals, certainly. That only seems sensible. I eat meat. I do not believe it's wrong to eat meat or to kill animals. That is a personal philosophy, well based and supported, which suits my lifestyle.

I'm not a hypocrite in any way that I can see. I don't like hypocrisy. And to be honest, if your hypocrisy is with regard to something like this, your arguments can't hold much water, as you can't argue clearly and without excessive emotion, which doesn't exactly build sound foundation for arguments. The last line is just a throwaway cliché. If you want to see change in the world, then you can't afford to maintain a hypocritical position, or you have no base at all.

actuallylike

Reminds me of this guy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fMHSA-16c#t=0m16s

bytey

looks like we havent lost a cancer cure anyway

BickNarry

It wasn't me! wrote: »

It really, really does. I put personal livelihood above the lives of individual animals, certainly. That only seems sensible. I eat meat. I do not believe it's wrong to eat meat or to kill animals. That is a personal philosophy, well based and supported, which suits my lifestyle.

I'm not a hypocrite in any way that I can see. I don't like hypocrisy. And to be honest, if your hypocrisy is with regard to something like this, your arguments can't hold much water, as you can't argue clearly and without excessive emotion, which doesn't exactly build sound foundation for arguments. The last line is just a throwaway cliché. If you want to see change in the world, then you can't afford to maintain a hypocritical position, or you have no base at all.

This isn't the place for this discussion.We're not gonna accomplish anything.But the next time is i meet a fox hunter on my dads land,i will threaten to break his legs.Worked last time,and is as much as i can do......until learning how hunt sabing!

G'luck!

It wasn't me!

BickNarry wrote: »

This isn't the place for this discussion.We're not gonna accomplish anything.But the next time is i meet a fox hunter on my dads land,i will threaten to break his legs.Worked last time,and is as much as i can do......until learning how hunt sabing!

G'luck!

You realise that's assault, right? It's trespass if they don't have permission to be there, and that's one thing, but assault makes you a criminal.

Also, be very careful if you intend to sabotage hunts. It's a legal minefield. It also just makes you a pain in the hole, and opens you to injury, not exactly uncommon when unfamiliar people crowd around horses, and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself.

Look, you're trying to abandon the argument because you're losing, frankly. You don't have a real leg to stand on, because your position is hypocritical and poorly founded. You refuse to answer straight questions concisely and clearly, which is just a tacit admission of guilt.

You'd be better served by revisiting your moral position and possibly eradicating the hypocrisies in your life, as you appear to feel guilty about them - signified by your refusal to answer questions as above. My sporting pastimes are legitimate and based on very sound foundations; as such I don't feel guilty or hold to hypocritical positions and can argue my position comfortably. Like I say, unless you're a wholely self-sufficient smallholder who refuses to use any sort of animal products in any aspect of your life, you can't argue against my use of animals for food without being a hypocrite.

BickNarry

Stop making ludicris assumptions.I meant we are all, as humans, hypocritical. My position is not hypocritical here though- i believe eating meat and hunting are wrong.so i dont.simple as.They are MY choices.You cannot fully articulate on the internet,so i dont. Guilt? Maybe,maybe i wish i could do more. Like hunt sabbing,ive read about it,watched videos etc. but i have not come to a conclusion on what i feel is right or worthwile. Stop zssuming things about me because i will not enter into a debate. I dont care,this is a forum,it will never affect my life.

I believe that a discussion on boards will not have any affect on either of our view points and will end up ikn the thread being locked or us told to shut the **** up.

So stop with the amateur psychology.

m@cc@

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"A pro fox hunting supporter's head was cleaved from 'top to bottom' by the blades of a gyrocopter after he tried to confront the pilot for tracking his hunt, a court heard today".

I am not normally a great fan of fox hunting but its a pity that this guy had to loose the head in the row.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254886/Gycrocopter-blade-cleaved-head-hunt-supporter-bottom.html

Ah, Run_to_da_hills and the Daily Mail. It's become like rhubarb and custard. Nice to see that despite your anti-fox hunting tendencies, you don't advocate the decapitation of it's supporters.

It wasn't me!

BickNarry wrote: »

Stop making ludicris assumptions.I meant we are all, as humans, hypocritical. My position is not hypocritical here though- i believe eating meat and hunting are wrong.so i dont.simple as.They are MY choices.You cannot fully articulate on the internet,so i dont. Guilt? Maybe,maybe i wish i could do more. Like hunt sabbing,ive read about it,watched videos etc. but i have not come to a conclusion on what i feel is right or worthwile. Stop zssuming things about me because i will not enter into a debate. I dont care,this is a forum,it will never affect my life.

I believe that a discussion on boards will not have any affect on either of our view points and will end up ikn the thread being locked or us told to shut the **** up.

So stop with the amateur psychology.

In what way are we all hypocrites? And I'm willing to bet your position is hypocritical. You believe it's wrong to eat meat and hunt, but I'll bet you own leather products. And you haven't claimed to be a vegan either, so is it right to keep animals in captivity in horrific industrial conditions in order to produce milk, eggs and such for human consumption? This isn't amateur psychology; this is simply reading obvious signs, doesn't really take a genius. You're morally inconsistent, and you refuse to explore the realities, which include the fact that your vegetarianism indirectly contributes to the slaughter of wild animals, the destruction of habitats and the endangerment of many native species through the modern industrial arable farming processes necessary to feed you. You can't go through this world without making an impact, but at least I'm honest enough to face up to it.

ScumLord

BickNarry wrote: »

Nah, it doesn't. It escapes certain people that all sentient beings, animal or human have the right to live, free from pain, torture and suffering.Those who ignore this, especially in the form of a passtime, are no great loss.

All predatory animals should be locked up as they're neglecting the rights of the animals they're hunting.

MikeC101

ScumLord wrote: »

All predatory animals should be locked up as they're neglecting the rights of the animals they're hunting.

Nah, just rehabilitated and introduced to Quorn. They only eat other animals because they're conditioned to do it by society, don't ya know.

Run_to_da_hills

m@cc@ wrote: »

Ah, Run_to_da_hills and the Daily Mail. It's become like rhubarb and custard. Nice to see that despite your anti-fox hunting tendencies, you don't advocate the decapitation of it's supporters.

Thats because AH and the Daily Mail is also becoming like rhubarb and custard.

Tar.Aldarion

It wasn't me! wrote: »

In what way are we all hypocrites? And I'm willing to bet your position is hypocritical. You believe it's wrong to eat meat and hunt, but I'll bet you own leather products. And you haven't claimed to be a vegan either, so is it right to keep animals in captivity in horrific industrial conditions in order to produce milk, eggs and such for human consumption? This isn't amateur psychology; this is simply reading obvious signs, doesn't really take a genius. You're morally inconsistent, and you refuse to explore the realities, which include the fact that your vegetarianism indirectly contributes to the slaughter of wild animals, the destruction of habitats and the endangerment of many native species through the modern industrial arable farming processes necessary to feed you. You can't go through this world without making an impact, but at least I'm honest enough to face up to it.

Ad hominem. Meh.

Of course people know they have an affect, you have to. It's about minimising loss of life and by making any step towards that he is facing up to it. People don't just go from eating meat to being to being perfectly alligned with their morals. It's quite difficult for some people and your diet/lifestyle has to have a lot of thought put into it.

It wasn't me!

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Ad hominem. Meh.

Of course people know they have an affect, you have to. It's about minimising loss of life and by making any step towards that he is facing up to it. People don't just go from eating meat to being to being perfectly alligned with their morals. It's quite difficult for some people and your diet/lifestyle has to have a lot of thought put into it.

To be honest, it's fairly absolute. Everyone has the choice not to wear leather shoes or to eat eggs or drink milk or profit in a myriad other ways from animals, and to live outside of society as a self-sufficient hermit living on a tiny, self-sustaining vegetable smallholding from land not currently supporting animal life and to allow animals to render that impracticable by predation in order to truly minimise their impact, but nobody does that. After that, everything's just a question of price and moral stances on the consumption of meat and the hunting of it are on poor footing.

oppenheimer1

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"A pro fox hunting supporter's head was cleaved from 'top to bottom' by the blades of a gyrocopter after he tried to confront the pilot for tracking his hunt, a court heard today".

I am not normally a great fan of fox hunting but its a pity that this guy had to loose the head in the row.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254886/Gycrocopter-blade-cleaved-head-hunt-supporter-bottom.html

For fuck sake yet another Daily Mail link, do you read anything else RTDH? Is it any wonder you have such a distorted world view!