Gormley to go?

twenty8

Rumour has it that Gormley is to step down as leader of the Greens.

Anyone else hear this??

anymore

twenty8 wrote: »

Rumour has it that Gormley is to step down as leader of the Greens.

Anyone else hear this??

No , any word from Tweety ?
It would make it easier to rehabilitate the Greens if he did step down.

twenty8

There was a story on TV3 at 5:30 - seemingly an 'agreement' between Cuffe and Gormley after the last election.
http://pie.ly/cZz7Ld

TV3 couldn't possibly get this wrong - their credibility will be in shreds if they get this wrong.

IrishTonyO

heard it on tv3 news but nothing else, no mention on RTE yet

Tomk1

It's a pity that I would rejoice if true, the greens should off bailed out long ago with some dignity, maybe tail between their legs but with their heads held high, but now they have been chewed up and spat out just like the PD’s.
They must be coming to the realisation that they are now a dead party.

twenty8

At least the PD's managed to reign in FF somewhat. But Greens have been nothing but a muppet / puppet controlled by FF. Absolutely shambolic. Rammed fascist, outdated, poor though out policies down our throat which have only been effective in increasing costs for everyone – carbon tax, increasing the plastic bag levy, Poolbeg incinerator, lightbulbs....

anymore

6 Minutes Ago
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Boyle
As far as I know John has no intention of stepping down.


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IrishTonyO

The story was that Gormley was stepping down as leader, not that they are leaving government. And according to the report this was an agreement made before the last election. Will have to wait and see if any more details come out

anymore

If so would anyone really care if Gormley stood down as leader of the Party ?
Remeber Lanigans Ball:

I stepped out.....:)

mike65

The blog-o-sphere is emply of this story.

anymore

BBC arent carrying it either ?

mike65

Its okay - Dan has twittered

expectationlost

did you hear hanafin denying cullen was going last week

gandalf

Its on breaking news here.

anymore

this has a touch of gordon Brown and Tony Blair about it !

imme

twenty8 wrote: »

There was a story on TV3 at 5:30 - seemingly an 'agreement' between Cuffe and Gormley after the last election.
http://pie.ly/cZz7Ld

TV3 couldn't possibly get this wrong - their credibility will be in shreds if they get this wrong.

I'm sorry it took me so long to respond, it's just that I was laughing so loud.:D
Cuffee the Irish Gordon Brown to Gormley's Blair?
If you'd have said Eamon Ryan, now that might have been a bit more believable. There're never short of news value politically speaking the Greens. This would be their 3rd official leader since they introduced official leaders.
Oh wait a minute doesn't the Party have to vote on leader:rolleyes:

Owen

Dammit, I'd be over the moon if Gormless buggered off.

gandalf

anymore wrote: »

this has a touch of gordon Brown and Tony Blair about it !

More like Laurel and Hardy tbh !

Just when you think the Greens can't make themselves more un-re-electable they pull this out of the hat.

cqd2

twenty8 wrote: »

At least the PD's managed to reign in FF somewhat. But Greens have been nothing but a muppet / puppet controlled by FF. Absolutely shambolic. Rammed fascist, outdated, poor though out policies down our throat which have only been effective in increasing costs for everyone – carbon tax, increasing the plastic bag levy, Poolbeg incinerator, lightbulbs....

You're mistaken there dude...if anything, the pds were further to the right of FF..

imme

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Dammit, I'd be over the moon if Gormless buggered off.

It's unlikely that he'd be 'buggering off' anywhere really. Talk is that he'll move to the backbenches to make way for a Green colleague in the pending reshuffle.

Rosahane

mike65 wrote: »

Its okay - Dan has twittered

Never a truer word...

Twitter is is an apt analogy for Green utterances;)

gandalf

Also now mentioned in this article on Martin Cullen on RTE.

Green spokesman says its "speculation". Not a very convincing denial that.

Kurtosis

IrishTonyO wrote: »

The story was that Gormley was stepping down as leader, not that they are leaving government. And according to the report this was an agreement made before the last election. Will have to wait and see if any more details come out

Wait, before the last election? Sure Trevor Sargent was leader at that stage...

Poly

Is it just me or does anyone else think this is very strange?

After de Burca, Sargent and last weeks gang wars, we have Cullen rumoured to be stepping down and now Gormless?

Does someone have a stinker on these guys?

anymore

deadtiger wrote: »

More like Laurel and Hardy tbh !

Just when you think the Greens can't make themselves more un-re-electable they pull this out of the hat.

I prefer to think of Boyle and Gormley as the laurel nd hardy of Irish Politics ; Boyle says something and Germley gives him a wallop - metaphorically of course)

anymore

Poly wrote: »

Is it just me or does anyone else think this is very strange?

After de Burca, Sargent and last weeks gang wars, we have Cullen rumoured to be stepping down and now Gormless?

Does someone have a stinker on these guys?

Maybe Gomrley needs to have his back checked out also - maybe it is a case of wilting backbone !

Trotter

Who do the Greens think they are?! Do we not deserve the best person available to take up the ministries?

Here we have a tiny party dictating what person takes on the role of Minister?!

Who is running the country here?!!

imme

Trotter wrote: »

Who do the Greens think they are?! Do we not deserve the best person available to take up the ministries?

Here we have a tiny party dictating what person takes on the role of Minister?!

Who is running the country here?!!

Are they their own party or are they an addendum?

Euro_Kraut

Trotter wrote: »

Who do the Greens think they are?! Do we not deserve the best person available to take up the ministries?

Here we have a tiny party dictating what person takes on the role of Minister?!

Who is running the country here?!!

The Cabinet is not chosen by the public. If the Greens want to reshuffle their people at cabinet they are perfectly entitled to. As FF and as are and FG, Lab and every other party that has ever been in Government and had a cabinet reshuffle.

What would be odd here is that for the first time in Irish Politics a person has decided that their word is more important than personal ambition.

Red_Marauder

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

If the Greens want to reshuffle their people at cabinet they are perfectly entitled to.

Not really. They are entitled to make submissions to Fianna Fáil but don't lets kid ourselves about the influence they have over their own appointments.

Spiritoftheseventies

Red_Marauder wrote: »

Not really. They are entitled to make submissions to Fianna Fáil but don't lets kid ourselves about the influence they have over their own appointments.

Greens main problem was that they were naive enough to think they could influence FF policy. never going to happen.
FF however have backed themselves into a corner now. They have killed off the PDs and most likely the Greens now.
So unless Labour do the unthinkable and form a coalition with FF in next government, FF will be on the other side of the chamber in the forseeable future.

hallelujajordan

Dan Boyle was on Morning Ireland this morning . . Mr Straight-talker refused for about 10 minutes to give a straight answer and it certainly looks like this is a plan that the Greens will look to effect. .

In principle, I don't really have an issue with rotating ministries. The GP are in position to try to have their policies implemented and getting that done is probably more important than who does it. . If they can give more of their elected members cabinet experience in the process, all the better !

However, this is strange . . . Taking their party leader away from the cabinet table at this stage, having already lost their previous party leader to resignation a couple of weeks ago doesn't make any sense at all . . . There is something going on in the background and this looks more and more like Gormley is having his hand forced as opposed to some 3 year-old pact . . Unelected Senator Boyle was pulling the strings during the O'Dea affair . .I wonder if he is doing the same again !

twenty8

This is the Greens being complete hypocrites and giving jobs for all the mates. Now Gormley has his Ministerial pension, Sargent got his and now it is Cuffe's turn. They would be the first to complain about Governance if it was FF, FG or Lab - absolute disgrace.

gandalf

twenty8 wrote: »

This is the Greens being complete hypocrites and giving jobs for all the mates. Now Gormley has his Ministerial pension, Sargent got his and now it is Cuffe's turn. They would be the first to complain about Governance if it was FF, FG or Lab - absolute disgrace.

Hey Tofu is expensive these days!!

But seriously it makes a total mockery of all the talk and preaching about Gombeen politics that was spouted by John Gormley in the past. The Greens are showing that they are just as bad if not worse than Fianna Fail when it comes to milking the system.

I suppose they realise that this is their one shot and are lining their pockets because they will never be in power again.

Spiritoftheseventies

Heard some line about Cuffe wanting to rotate the green portfolios to keep things fresh. So Gormley stays on but leaves his cabinet post. Is this change for the sake of change?

imme

hallelujajordan wrote: »

Dan Boyle was on Morning Ireland this morning . . Mr Straight-talker refused for about 10 minutes to give a straight answer and it certainly looks like this is a plan that the Greens will look to effect. .

In principle, I don't really have an issue with rotating ministries. The GP are in position to try to have their policies implemented and getting that done is probably more important than who does it. . If they can give more of their elected members cabinet experience in the process, all the better !

However, this is strange . . . Taking their party leader away from the cabinet table at this stage, having already lost their previous party leader to resignation a couple of weeks ago doesn't make any sense at all . . . There is something going on in the background and this looks more and more like Gormley is having his hand forced as opposed to some 3 year-old pact . . Unelected Senator Boyle was pulling the strings during the O'Dea affair . .I wonder if he is doing the same again !

you must be a Willie man HJ?
Boyle is the chairman of the Green Party, so why wouldn't he go on radio, elected or not.

bijapos

twenty8 wrote: »

This is the Greens being complete hypocrites and giving jobs for all the mates. Now Gormley has his Ministerial pension, Sargent got his and now it is Cuffe's turn. They would be the first to complain about Governance if it was FF, FG or Lab - absolute disgrace.

I think you have to be a minister for 3 years to get a pension, they're only in there 2 years 9 months.

Rotating ministeries and indeed parliamentary seats is normal for greens in other countries.

EDIT: Someone said on Pat Kenny that they get a "small" pension after 2 years. Anyone know how much?

Mad_Max

twenty8 wrote: »

Now Gormley has his Ministerial pension, Sargent got his and now it is Cuffe's turn.

Sargent didn't get his thank christ. Few months shy.

twenty8

But he did get a big pay off - a Ministerial severance pay. It is thought to be €47k. Sargent donated his to charity.

Darsad

Mary White and Paul Gogarty to be given Ministerial Posts if true this is beyond a joke and reality for that matter. Is Clowen so screwed that he has to allow this pair of loonies into his ministerial ranks , this pair make Conor Lenihan and Mary Coughlan look like Master Mind and Krypton Factor champions.

anymore

Darsad wrote: »

Mary White and Paul Gogarty to be given Ministerial Posts if true this is beyond a joke and reality for that matter. Is Clowen so screwed that he has to allow this pair of loonies into his ministerial ranks , this pair make Conor Lenihan and Mary Coughlan look like Master Mind and Krypton Factor champions.

" And Planet Bertie is a very strange place. On a green version of Star Trek they might say " Its life Jim, but not as we know it.......on Planet Bertie , there is a strage cult called Fianna Fail, a type of religion without vision or values. So strange and alien to our sensibilities that it is a planet we Greens would like to avoid. For let there be no doubt, we greens want the PDs and Fianna Fail out of Government. "

John Gormley extract from Planet Bertie Speech given at rally at Nuremberg, sorry Greenberg before last election

hallelujajordan

imme wrote: »

you must be a Willie man HJ?
Boyle is the chairman of the Green Party, so why wouldn't he go on radio, elected or not.

No not really an O'Dea man (prefer that to Willie-man )) . .

And I have no issue with Dan O'Boyle representing the GP on the radio . . It does seem however that he has a disproportionate influence on the GP in government, during the PfG negotiations he was leading the way and then during the O'Dea affair he undermined all of his cabinet table colleagues. . . Not sure its appropriate that an unelected senator has such influence . . and its not even in Seanad Eireann, its on Twitter !

Is Gormley the leader of the GP, or is it Dan Boyle ?

Spiritoftheseventies

Whats Gogarty in charge of. Language and Culture?

gandalf

hallelujajordan wrote: »

No not really an O'Dea man (prefer that to Willie-man )) . .

And I have no issue with Dan O'Boyle representing the GP on the radio . . It does seem however that he has a disproportionate influence on the GP in government, during the PfG negotiations he was leading the way and then during the O'Dea affair he undermined all of his cabinet table colleagues. . . Not sure its appropriate that an unelected senator has such influence . . and its not even in Seanad Eireann, its on Twitter !

Is Gormley the leader of the GP, or is it Dan Boyle ?

Sounds like its a collective at this stage a bit like the Borg with inferior recycling

Southsider1

So he's entitled to the 47grand payoff now too then? This country just get's more unbelievable every day....

mike65

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Whats Gogarty in charge of. Language and Culture?

Arf!

anymore

hallelujajordan wrote: »

No not really an O'Dea man (prefer that to Willie-man )) . .

And I have no issue with Dan O'Boyle representing the GP on the radio . . It does seem however that he has a disproportionate influence on the GP in government, during the PfG negotiations he was leading the way and then during the O'Dea affair he undermined all of his cabinet table colleagues. . . Not sure its appropriate that an unelected senator has such influence . . and its not even in Seanad Eireann, its on Twitter !

Is Gormley the leader of the GP, or is it Dan Boyle ?

It is worth noting that Boyle's ex colleague from Cork, Chris O Leary who ' left' the Greens in Cork managed to get elected to the COrk City Council whilst Boyle of course was, for the second consecutive time, rejected by the electorate. Boyle's other Green Colleague, O Donnell I think, was also rejected by the electorate.

astrofool

Are they all trying to max out their pension entitlements before they get booted into oblivion?

Darsad

astrofool wrote: »

Are they all trying to max out their pension entitlements before they get booted into oblivion?

Unfortunately its looking like that wont be anytime soon . If this reshuffle
costs us the tax payer a single cent over and above the already exorbitant cost of this pathetic government then we as a nation should be ashamed of ouselves for allowing that to happen.

Misterpphead

We should've been out on the streets long ago to over throw this government but somehow they have bled the fighting spirit out of us gradually. They sit there laughing back at us in there fancy suits with there unimaginable wages & have the nerve to tell US we have it too good??!!?.........that really grinds my gears!!

conorhal

astrofool wrote: »

Are they all trying to max out their pension entitlements before they get booted into oblivion?

I was wondering that too, it has a whif of "lets all rotate to make sure that every elected Green walks away with a ministerial pension at the end of the government's term" about it. :mad: